Contents:
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re:James vs Geoff (Adam Vernon <garion@umd5.umd.edu>)
Heir Apparent (Jason Peter <jpeter@thor.ece.uc.edu>)
FAQ (cspas004@edu.eur.nl (Erwin Gavic))
Re: Geoff vs James ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
saga (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254 (F5JTL...WX3W <f5jtl@carina.unm.edu>)
Re:James vs Geoff ("TIM LODGE - SGA PRESIDENT, PRE-LAW SOCIETY, PS MAJOR" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 256 (Guy K McArthur <guy@gas.uug.arizona.edu>)
Re:YTSEJAM digest 254 (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re:James vs Geoff (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re: FAQ (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: saga ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: saga (meloonb@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Mel))
Re: James vs Geoff ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: Geoff vs James (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Re:James vs Geoff (svanhooser@aol.com)
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 11:40:33 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254
>
> > Where'd you get the idea that its about LTL being about somebody
> > dying of AIDS? It's obviously about "Learning to live". Reread the
> > lyrics.
>
> Heh. Probably from the fact that John Myung, who wrote the damn thing,
> was asked by someone on this list if the song was about AIDS, and John
> replied to the effect of "Wow, how'd you figure it out???" Why don't YOU
> go reread the lyrics......
Yeah you're right man... some of the lyrics are SO OBVIOUS once
you KNOW it's about aids... otherwise you can't be sure.
"once I reached for love and now I reach for life"
"when i lay here drained of strength..."
And of course the quote in my .sig below....
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Mike/garion@indirect.com/Snow Dog of Prismatic Force Designs/sydest.com
### # # ### # "Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live..."
# # # # # - Dream Theater
# # # ### ### "Art as expression, not as market campaigns..."
# # # # # # - Rush
# ### ### # # "Censorship is fucking unAmerican."
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 15:38:26 -0500
From: Adam Vernon <garion@umd5.umd.edu>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff
>> decent, but IMHO he is the least-talented member of an incredible band. To
>> hear him compared to (IMHO) the best singer in the business is blasphemous.
>> At times I like Charlie better than James...especially on the Killing Hand.
>> James' annoying screaming just ruins this song for me on LatM. Does anyone
>> else share this opinion, or am I alone on the Net? Most of my friends here
>> think he is rather weak also...
>I don't think he's a weak singer, and I like James' voice more than
>Charlie's, but IMHO his screeching high notes live is the only thing
>standing between DT and a really stellar stage presence.
>
>Geoff is the better singer, no question that he appears to have a
>wider range, but I do like James also.
>
>--
>Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman
>To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com
>Once I reached for love | Dream Theater
>And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"
I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do like him,
though not nearly as much as Geoff. My complaints also pertain to those
"screaching high notes" James resorts to live. Mayhap he needs the studio to
be able to sound as good a he does on I&W. Just my IMNSHO.
Though, I have been told that Geoff did this in his younger years. Hmmmm.
garion@wam.umd.edu |"Father William saved her from the streets
| She drank the lifeblood from the saviors feet
Queensryche --> | She's Sister Mary now, with eyes as cold as ice
Operation:Mindcrime| He takes her once a week on the altar like a sacrifice."
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 13:18:41 EST
From: Jason Peter <jpeter@thor.ece.uc.edu>
Subject: Heir Apparent
Does ANYONE out there know of a definite source where I can find Heir Apparent's
One Small Voice? (CD preferrably but tape would be OK) I've tried ranjit and he
can not find it. All of the music stores I've tried say that it is out of print
and so forth. If anybody has the disc, I'd be happy to trade for it or a copy
of it, so please email me. I have quite a bit of stuff including a DT promo
tape from WDADU!
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By a candle stands a mirror
Of his heart and soul she dances...
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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 19:21:25 +0100 (MET)
From: cspas004@edu.eur.nl (Erwin Gavic)
Subject: FAQ
Hello!
Is there a DT - FAQ? somewhere availeble???
And if yes: where?
In advance, thanks a lot
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 12:58:00 +0000
From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Geoff vs James
>Adam Vernon wrote:
>
>Jason Hartman wrote:
>
>>She says it mainly James's voice! HIS VOICE IS GREAT!! Plus I think she is
>>just jealous that they (especially James's voice) are better then Queensryche.
>
>Are you deaf? I think James is adequate, nothing more. Geoff's voice is ten
>times stronger. The clincher for me was watching "Live in Tokyo" and
>"Operation:Livecrime" back to back...do it and you too will see. James is
I have "Operation:Livecrime" (video and CD) and I have to say that I've never
liked the VIDEO. There's nothing wrong with the performance but I HATE how it
is shot. THOUSANDS of quick edits, close shots and that pseudo-slow motion
effect just make this video unwatchable. It looks to much like an overblown
MTV video and looks nothing at all like a live concert. What's wrong with
long wide shots that allow me to chose what I'm going to look at and actually
let me focus on something? That's how people actually watch shows.
My "Live in Tokyo" is still in its shrink wrap (JUST got it), so I can't make
the comparison you suggest. But I do have LATM so I can at least compare their
live singing in that way. I do love both bands and both singers so any
criticisms that follow should be considered minor criticisms (i.e. nitpicking).
I have to say I like James better. His range is greater live (at least at this
stage in their careers). Just listen to the studio "Operation: Mindcrime" and
compare it to "Livecrime" and note how many times Geoff kind of skips out of
hitting the high notes. James hits all his high notes live and at times
actually sings higher on LATM than he does on the studio versions. James also
holds notes for their full duration live, and puts his vibrato into it, while
on "Livecrime" Geoff breaks off a lot of his sustained notes early. Of course,
Geoff is older. James also can sing with almost a jazzy, uptempo feel while
Geoff rhytms are pretty straightforward. But I can understand people who
criticize James' voice for being overblown since he's ALWAYS emotional and
has that heavy vibrato on his notes. And sometimes he overextends himself and
sounds a little out of breath. This is where Geoff is better, especially on
the "Building Empires" tour. He's learned the value of restraint. He places
his vibratos and inflections where they count. As his voice has matured
he's lost some high end, but he's been smart and has adjusted-he's now singing
in lower octaves, especially the "Empire" songs. He doesn't over extend himself
and knows his limits well. As a result, his voice has become smoother and
richer. He's much more consistent live than James is.
As a side note, keep in mind that when comparing LATM and "Operation:Livecrime"
CD's, "Livecrime" sounds much more "touched up" to me-i.e. mistakes were
probably covered up in the studio later on- whereas LATM sounds very live and
authentic to me, precisely because there are a good deal of mistakes on it.
>decent, but IMHO he is the least-talented member of an incredible band. To
>hear him compared to (IMHO) the best singer in the business is blasphemous.
>At times I like Charlie better than James...especially on the Killing Hand.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess I'm a little suprised that you liked Charlie better. To my
ears his voice has a few deficiencies. It is so thin (no amount of reverb can
help this man) and his range so limited. His voice is somewhat monotonic,
without any emotional inflections. And he has no rhythm: he is always lumbering
behind the beat. "Light Fuse and Get Away" is a good example of Charlie
struggling to keep up with the rest of the boys. James, meanwhile, has great
tempo. He's always pushing the rest of the band forward rather than lagging
behind them like Charlie. And of course James' range, which I would guess is
close to four octave, is much greater than Charlie's, which I would guess is
about 1.5 octaves.
>James' annoying screaming just ruins this song for me on LatM. Does anyone
On "The Killing Hand" (live), James sings with
a lot of emotion. To me, his screams come at certain emotional peaks in the
song and I like it. Kind of reminds me of Ian Gilliam at times.
>else share this opinion, or am I alone on the Net? Most of my friends here
>think he is rather weak also..
>
>
>Adam.
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Wolf Man
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Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1993 19:16:54 -0500 (EST)
From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Subject: saga
Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone
remember if they're any good? (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a
disc which one should I go for?) Also, someone mentioned either here or on
NMS a band called Cynic, anyone know anything about them? Guitar F.P.M. mag
had them listed as death metal. And finally, which are the good TNT albums>
I assume not Realized Fantasies, that's the one I see in cutout bins all the
time.
Just to stay on track. . .Dream Theater's really cool!
Aaron
ASILVERM@UMIAMI
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 17:25:06 -0700 (MST)
From: F5JTL...WX3W <f5jtl@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: re:YTSEJAM digest 254
According to Martin A Hennemann:
>
> Speaking of other similiar bands, someone once mentioned a group called
>Saga? Are they any good? I ordered one of their CD's a couple days ago.
>(Heads or Tales) So I guess I'll find out :)
Saga is way different from DT. I like Heads or Tales but Worlds Apart was
much better (back in 1981). Saga had a hit in the early '80s (Turn to
Loose) and toured with Rush. I understand that they have a new album now.
Any comment?
They used to have lots of synthesizers but the guitar was pretty good too...
Laurent E-:-)
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 21:49:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "TIM LODGE - SGA PRESIDENT, PRE-LAW SOCIETY, PS MAJOR" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff
Can we please stop this thread right now? Nobody is going to change their
opinions by 1 or 2 messages. Geoff is good. James is good. It's
two totally different types of music. Look, IMHO, if DT didn't
dump Dominicci when they had the chance, they would never be as big
as they are today.
DT RULES
Tim
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 20:38:07 -0700 (MST)
From: Guy K McArthur <guy@gas.uug.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 256
Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a month or so; this is my
first actual post. I have only heard I&W but I'm looking for WD&DU.
Question: On "Learning to Live", the lyrics in the cd booklet,
should that be "spilt" as it is spelled, as in spilled, or "split?" Well,
it doesn't really matter anyway, now does it.
"Take the Time" is by far my favorite DT song.
To the person who asks what King's X sounds like... the sound
great! They sound much more like Extreme than DT. They are fairly
original; I bought their latest untitled album on the recommendation of
people on the Rush fans list and am not dissapointed. They are a Christian
band, but there is little reference to religious themes on most of their
songs.
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"I got my sights on the stars< -- -- -- -- > . .
won't get that far > __ __ __ __ < . .
but I'll try anyway..." < __ __ __ - __ > *
RUSH/best I can > == == == == <
+============================<<<guy@gas.uug.arizona.edu>>>====================+
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:43:10 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:YTSEJAM digest 254
Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:YTSEJAM digest 254 by Martin A Hennemann@acsu.
> Umm, actualy Bill, I agree with LTL being about a fight against AIDS. And
> after rereading the lyrics, I'm more convinced. SOme examples (feel free
> to show examples against it, that's what this place is for :)
> "I wopn't give up till I've no more to give" meaning he'll fight it till
> he can't anymore. "The 90s bring new questions, [AIDS] new s9olutions to be
> found [cure?]. I fell in love to be let down [He fell in love and contracted
> the disease]" Also "From a common fear that's all spread out [fear of AIDS]
> It won't listen to what you say. Once you're touched you stand alone
> [discrimination against ppl with AIDS] to face the bitter fight. Once
> I reached for love, and now I reach for life" One last example is "Through
> natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live" Meaning, because of nature
> inflicting him with the disease, he's learning to live a new life.
> I dunno, that's how I always took it. :) Any comments?
If it is it's poorply written (Myung lyrics.). It seems to me to be al
song about dealing with violence and discrimination. I dont have the
lyrics with me (My cd is used and the booklet's ready to fall apart, so
I never look at it). Maybe it's meant to have several meanings.
"Through natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live" could mean that
people are the way they are, and he's trying to deal with it and stand
out.
"I won't give up till I've no more to give" could mean he's fighting to
get himself heard and for people to understand what he's trying to say.
"The 90s bring new questions, new solutions to be found" could mean that
there are more problems, but there are also some solutions to older
problems. "I fell in love to be let down" could mean anything,
symbolically, it could mean he finds out that his early impressions of
the world were wrong, and it's a lot worse than he thought.
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:44:50 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254
Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re: YTSEJAM digest 254 by DAVID
RE@prism.gatech.ed
> Heh. Probably from the fact that John Myung, who wrote the damn thing,
> was asked by someone on this list if the song was about AIDS, and John
> replied to the effect of "Wow, how'd you figure it out???"
Where'd you hear that? I can never find any interviews with them except
the occasional one in guitar world or guitar player.
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:52:33 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:James vs Geoff
Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:James vs Geoff by Adam Vernon@umd5.umd.edu
> I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do
like him,
> though not nearly as much as Geoff. My complaints also pertain to those
> "screaching high notes" James resorts to live. Mayhap he needs the studio to
> be able to sound as good a he does on I&W. Just my IMNSHO.
I think the screaming is cool. I think it would be boring if it sounded
exactly like the cd.
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 22:19:04 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ
>
> Hello!
>
> Is there a DT - FAQ? somewhere availeble???
> And if yes: where?
Well, I don't know if there is a FAQ, but there certainly has been
a maintained discography.. I have tried to keep it as accurate as
possible, here's hoping for inclusion in the next issue of Ytsejam, a
current copy of it... enjoy!
If Anyone would like to conspire with me to administer a FAQ for
Dream Theater, please let me know... the discography taught me one thing:
you can get it up on a lot of FTP sites, but there are many people who
know details before you do and it's tough to keep things up to date! :)
Cheers, Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Discography: Dream Theater (Current to 12/10/93)
Compiled by: Mike Bahr (garion@indirect.com) (garion#hack)
If you find more from Dream Theater, please do mail me. I'll gladly update
this file. I am sending this to ftp.uwp.edu; please refer to the most
current version on that site.
I'm not perfect. But I'm trying to be as accurate as I can. If you can help
me to that end with this discography, I appreciate it.
I try to get a copy of everything listed here, with exception of some of
the bootlegs I do own them all. If you find new albums, etc please mail
me! Not only will I credit you here but I want to buy the things. :)
A word of thanks goes here to the dozen-odd folks who wrote to me with needed
changes. Since I lost my old account (aumpb@asu.edu) I need you to write me
back at garion@indirect.com and tell me who you were, I want to give name
credit in this discography.
Many thanks to the following for their additions and corrections:
* Randall Haskin (strega@stien1.u.washington.edu)
This guy has done everything short of the editor's job on this
thing. He's given me additional release info (Dance of Eternity CD) and
corrected an assortment of minor mistakes I made in the original. Seems he
keeps finding new things to add as well. Many thanks go here.
* Brent Nuttall (elric@indirect.com)
For information pertaining to the various releases of "Live At The
Marquee" and finding me a copy.
* Dave (dld30@quts.ccc.amdahl.com)
For information pertaining to the Consciously Unreal bootleg,
including liner notes etc. Many thanks!
* Michael Burstin (Mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu)
For information pertaining to Majesty and the Live video.
LEGEND:
LP - Record; CT - Cassette; CD - 5" Compact Disc; MD - 2.5" Mini Disc
C3 - 3" Compact Disc - CS - Cassette Single; 2CD - Double CD set; V - Video
Full discography to
OFFICIAL RELEASES:
Majesty demos, 1987-89, Not produced.
When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (France, Germany Only)
LP, CT, CD
Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CT, CD, MD
Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) LP, CT, CD
Images & Words, 1993, Vertigo/Biem/Stemra (Germany, Holland, UK) LP, CD
Another Day/Status Seeker, 1993, WEA International (UK Only?) CS
Another Day/Under A Glass Moon, 1993, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CS
Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V
Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD
Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) CD
Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) CD
Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V
CONFIRMED BOOTLEGS:
A Fortune Pulled Under, 1992, LP (USA)
Live cuts from early promotional touring after the release
of Images & Words.
Images & Tour!, 1993, CD (USA)
A full length live bootleg from the Images & Tour Tour.
Runes, 1993, CD (USA)
A passable recording of a portion of the second leg of the
Images & Tour Tour.
The Dance Of Eternity, 1993, 2CD (USA)
An excellent-quality audience recording from about the same
time as Images & Tour! was done. Near-soundboard clarity.
Great disc pictures and liner, professionally done.
Consciously Unreal, 1993, 2CD (Italy)
The only bootleg with the original DT lineup live. Includes
a boot from the Images tour and a few tracks from the first,
When Dream and Day Unite, tour. Liner notes say it's USA but
James LaBrie makes statements during the performance that
indicate they are in Italy.
RELEASE INFO
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the Majesty demos, 1987-89 (Not produced.)
Before they were Dream Theater, they were Majesty. Included on their
demo tapes are the following:
Forever (now known as To Live Forever)
Your Majesty
Dream Theater (yes, it was a song before it was a band name!)
Afterlife
Status Seeker
The Ytse Jam
Metropolis part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Light Fuse and Get Away
Another Hand/The Killing Hand
Anyone with a reliable source for these recordings, please contact
me at the address above... I want to get them...
When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, France, Germany only
MCD42259/MCAD42259/D:QM-F:BM720
Members of the band:
Vocals: Charlie Dominici
Drums: Michael Portnoy
Guitars: John Petrucci
Keyboards: Kevin Moore
Bass: John Myung
Side 1 - 1. A Fortune In Lies 5:10
2. Status Seeker 4:15
3. The Ytse Jam 5:43
4. The Killing Hand 8:40
I. The Observance
II. Ancient Renewal
III. The Stray Seed
IV. Thorus
V. Exodus
Side 2 - 5. Light Fuse and Get Away 7:23
6. Afterlife 5:27
7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 8:04
8. Only a Matter of Time 6:35
Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO, USA
7567-92148-2
Members of the band:
Vocals: James LaBrie
Otherwise same
Side 1 - 1. Pull Me Under 8:11
2. Another Day 4:22
3. Take The Time 8:21
4. Surrounded 5:28
Side 2 - 5. Metropolis Part I
(The Miracle and the Sleeper) 9:30
6. Under a Glass Moon 7:02
7. Wait For Sleep 2:31
8. Learning to Live 11:30
Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan)
Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)
Images & Words, 1993, Vertigo/Biem/Stemra (Germany, Holland, UK)
Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)
Identical to USA version except extra track on Vertigo release:
5. The Ytse Jam (Live) 6:36
Tracks #5-8 on USA version renumbered to #6-9 here.
Another Day, 1993, WEA International, UK Only? Confirmation anyone?
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
Cassette Single
Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22
Side 2 - Status Seeker (Live) 4:28
Another Day, 1991, Atlantic/ATCO, USA
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
Cassette Single
Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22
Side 2 - Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02
Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5067
CD Single
Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11
Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA)
Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it)
Video
Pull Me Under (Edit) 4:39
Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48
Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11
Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5069
CD Single
Take The Time (MTV Edit) 5:31
Take The Time (LP Version) 8:21
Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5077
CD Single
Another Day (LP Version) 4:21
Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5080
CD Single
Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02
Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5104
CD Single
Surrounded (LP Version) 5:29
Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK)
7567-92286-2/CA 835
CD EP
Recorded in London, England, UK, April 1993
Metropolis 9:36
A Fortune In Lies 5:10
Bombay Vindaloo (Previously Unreleased) 6:48
Surrounded 6:00
Another Hand/The Killing Hand 10:30
Pull Me Under 8:42
Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan)
ACM4-574
CD EP
Identical to Germany/Holland/UK version Except:
Substitute track:
4. Another Day 4:37
Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA)
50537-3
Full-length video release (need times)
1. Arrival 0:31
2. Under A Glass Moon (live) 7:13
3. The making of Pull Me Under 3:03
4. Pull Me Under (video) 4:48
5. The making of Take The Time 2:15
6. Take The Time (video) 5:31
7. Kimonos and tapes that are too big 3:01
8. The condoms of Dream Theater 1:02
9. The interview 0:27
10. Wait For Sleep (live) --> 2:45
11. Surrounded (live) 5:54
12. The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo (live) 10:28
13. Chunk and balls (MTV sucks) 0:51
14. Another Day (video) 4:29
15. To Live Forever/A Change of Seasons (live) 12:05
16. A Fortune In Lies (live) 5:00
17. Mike crosses the Abbey Road 1:11
18. Eve/Take The Time (live) 10:32
19. Take The Time by Galactic Cowboys 0:29
20. Take The Time by Sebastian Bach 0:25
21. Breast signing 0:50
22. Pull Me Under (live) 8:29
BOOTLEG INFO
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A Fortune Pulled Under (USA) 1992, LP
Need a mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted)
1 LP
Recorded in Paris, France, October 1992
Side 1 - Take The Time
Afterlife
The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo
Only a Matter of Time
Side 2 - Guitar Solo/A Fortune In Lies
Under a Glass Moon
Surrounded
Pull Me Under
*** I Need to know who is currently vending this. I have had requests for
copies which I intend to provide, and a copy of a copy of an LP
that was a bootleg to begin with turns out as pretty sorry quality.
Images & Tour! (USA) 1993, CD (Big Red Records #48733-DT)
1 CD
Recorded in Tempe, AZ, USA, March 1993
Dance of Eternity 9:46 (Metropolis mislabeled)
A Fortune In Lies 5:02
Under a Glass Moon 7:15
The Approach/Bombay Vindaloo (mislabeled?) 7:08
Waits For Sleep (mislabeled the "s" in Wait) 2:44
Surrounded 6:10
Instrumental/Drum Solo 10:53 (Ytse Jam mislabeled)
To Live Forever 4:50
A Change of Seasons 7:20
Eve/Take The Time (mislabeled?) 10:31
Pull Me Under 8:35
*** Corrected: A Fortune In Lies is track #2, not Afterlife as previously
noted. I finally got an original of this one and confirmed this.
The vendor is Tracks In Wax, N. Central Ave, Phoenix, AZ.
A whole show is not included; absent is Learning to Live and
Another Hand/The Killing Hand.
Runes (USA) 1993, CD (The Camera's Ear Productions, #9103)
1 CD
Recorded in Sacramento, CA, USA, no date given.
Can be distinguished by lack of good bass in the first three tracks.
(cuts right to song, no fade-in)
Metropolis
Under A Glass Moon
To Live Forever
Wait For Sleep
Surrounded
A Fortune In Lies
Take The Time
Pull Me Under
Learning To Live
(cuts off after last chord)
*** I need to know who is vending this.
The Dance of Eternity (USA) 1993, 2CD (Why Not? Records WOT2014/15)
2 CD's - further notes above in description section
Recorded at the Limelight, New York, March 4 1993
Disc 1
Metropolis, part 1 9.21
A Fortune In Lies 5.20
Under A Glass Moon 7.31
Surrounded 6.16
The Ytse Jam 9.46
To Live Forever 5.57*
Take The Time 10.42
Disc 2
Eve/Pull Me Under 13.59
Another Day 6.39
Another Hand/The Killing Hand 8.20
A Change Of Seasons 20.04
Wait For Sleep 2.52
Learning To Live 13.14
* Mislabeled on liner as "Forever", which is what it was called back when
Dream Theater was 'Majesty'.
*** Every importer/specialty shop I inquired at indicated they could obtain
copies of this, so you should have no trouble.
Consciously Unreal (Italy) 1993, 2CD
Need mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted)
Tracks 1-11 recorded in Italy during the Images & Tour tour. LaBrie on
vocals. Tracks 12-16 recorded during the Dream & Day tour, Dominici vocals.
Disc 1
Metropolis part I
A Fortune In Lies
Under A Glass Moon
Surrounded
The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo
Another Day
The Killing Hand
Pull Me Under
Take The Time
Disc 2
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
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Metropolis part I
Afterlife
Forever
The Ytse Jam
The Killing Hand
*** I need to know who is currently vending this.
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 21:58:34 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 254
> "I wopn't give up till I've no more to give" meaning he'll fight it till
> he can't anymore. "The 90s bring new questions, [AIDS] new s9olutions to be
> found [cure?]. I fell in love to be let down [He fell in love and contracted
> the disease]" Also "From a common fear that's all spread out [fear of AIDS]
> It won't listen to what you say. Once you're touched you stand alone
> [discrimination against ppl with AIDS] to face the bitter fight. Once
> I reached for love, and now I reach for life" One last example is "Through
> natures inflexible grace, I'm learning to live" Meaning, because of nature
> inflicting him with the disease, he's learning to live a new life.
> I dunno, that's how I always took it. :) Any comments?
I'd been following the thread a bit casually, but really, after that
analysis there's no doubt at all in my mind whatsoever. I can now
tell some of my friends who panned DT lyrics as being a bit trite that
they're Full Of It. :)
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | Dream Theater And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"------------------------------
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Re: saga
> Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone > remember if they're any good? (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a > disc which one should I go for?)
I just picked up IN TRANSIT, which is a live concert CD with several good songs on it, including my favorites from radio, "Wind Him Up" and one other (the CD is out in the car, else I'd check it, amazing, it's on the tip of my tongue....)
I think they were pretty talented, and a drummer friend has a :?tzlot of respect for their drummer.....
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | Dream Theater And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 01:56:25 -0600 (CST) From: meloonb@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Mel) Subject: Re: saga
> > Somebody else just mentioned Saga. . .I vaguely recall them. . .anyone > remember if they're any good? (Like, specifically, if I were to pick up a > disc which one should I go for?)
They're Canadian. And they used to be pretty cool. That was about 1981. They were pretty progressive for back then. Neat guitar s stuff, and some neat synth stuff. I like _World's Apart_ (1981) but that's the only one I've got. It sounds dated, but it'd still okay.
> Also, someone mentioned either here or on > NMS a band called Cynic, anyone know anything about them? Guitar F.P.M. mag > had them listed as death metal.
Gods. Gods. Gods. Progressive death/jazz/new-age. Phenominal players (Some say better than DT, but definately heavier). They do sections of pure jazz, sections of pure death metal, and sections of a weird cross-breed death/jazz. My favorite disc of the year...by far. Not for everyone, and certainly not for those of you who like "beautiful" music. They have a mixture of death and synth/melodic vocals. But the melodies are usually jazz/semi-atonal stuff... Very experimental. Good stuff.
Mel
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 00:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Re: James vs Geoff
> > Excerpts from mail: 2-Dec-93 Re:James vs Geoff by Adam Vernon@umd5.umd.edu > > I too like James also...It sounded like I was slamming him, but I do > like him, > > though not nearly as much as Geoff. My complaints also pertain to those > > "screaching high notes" James resorts to live. Mayhap he needs the studio to > > be able to sound as good a he does on I&W. Just my IMNSHO. > > I think the screaming is cool. I think it would be boring if it sounded > exactly like the cd.
Sure, but I think that screeching sounds pretty damned amateurish. IMO, Atco would probably back DT with more support if James didn't screech his high notes that way. Reason: most of my metal/thrash friends, when they hear it, really lose interest in DT as a live presence. If he could actually sing (as opposed to scream) his highest notes, NOTHING would stand between DT and a phenomenal live show.
-- Once you're touched you stand alone | Paul W. Cashman To face the bitter fight | vanyel@crl.com Once I reached for love | Dream Theater And now I reach for life | <- "Learning to Live"
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 03:12:51 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Geoff vs James
Well, I've seen James after a brief vacation, and he sounds just as good as Geoff when his voice is fresh.
I like Geoff a lot as well, and I think Geoff has a more powerful voice and perhaps a larger range, but he can't make his voice sound soft very well. I can't see Geoff singing "Surrounded" or anything (nor can he do the beginning to "Silent Lucidity" very well in concert, but it's minor; he's still great!)
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 93 03:25:37 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:James vs Geoff
I think James's screaming sounds bad on a taped live performance, but if I were sitting in concert I would appreciate the screams, I think. Also, they are very "good" screams. In the same vein as Jesus Christ Superstar by Lloyd Webber.
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