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Re: RE: Progressive metal (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
rare dt questions. (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
compilation tapes. (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
We Have an FTP site!!! (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Keyboard Transcripts ("BEACON ge121.1bq account" <pjhollow@sail.uwaterloo.ca>)
RE: More Fates Warning News (ucc_sbh@SHSU.edu)
James with FW (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
DT on sports tv... (JOEY BIBB 225-2225 <BIBB.JOEY@a1gw.gene.com>)
Re: Galactic Cowboys and Annihilator (Scott Russell Halgrim <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>)
Re: Metal bands (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
Re: Metal bands (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 363 (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
More boots from Live at the Marquee? (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
Baltimore area boots (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
The Dream Theater Archive (drkhoe@netcom12.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
Re: NEW Producer? (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Metal bands (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Flotsam and Jetsam (JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>)
RE: Dances of Eternity (Chris Wegner <cwegner@kaiwan.com>)
Re: Bootleg Program ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Re: uh, 'scuse me?? ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
looking for a guy with boots... (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
Fates Warning and Kevin (Timothy.R.St.Onge@Dartmouth.EDU (Timothy R. St. Onge))
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 08:25:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: RE: Progressive metal
> > well. I have 4 of their albums, "Streets, a Rock Opera," "Hall of the
> > Mountain King,", their latest "Edge of Thorns," and a best-of type album.
>
> What is this 'best-of' album that you talk about?.. as far as I`m aware their
> albums are as follows "Sirens", "The Dungeons Are Calling", "Power Of The Night""Fight For The Rock", "Hall Of The Mountain King", "Gutter Ballet", "Streets:
> A Rock Opera" and "Edge Of Thorns" .... the best being IMHO Streets, Gutter
> Ballet and Hall Of The Mountain King.... the last one has a new singer and
> although it`s a good album, it kinda lacks something the previous three had..
> The Dungeons Are Calling is by far the worst, it`s pretty awful...
The Best of Album is "From the Dungeons to the Streets," and is
promo-only. It's actually my roommate's cd, not mine, but I'm the only
one of us which ever plays it. 8-)
Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
Dream Theater - Learning to Live
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 10:00:30 -0500 (EDT)
From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
Subject: rare dt questions.
Hey Rob, I would have mailed you privately but you didn't give any address.
I don't think that John P was singing on Wanted Dead or Alive. My friend and
I both agreed that it was Chris Collins. I've heard John P sing before and
I really don't think that it is him.
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* Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
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* Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater *
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 10:55:10 -0500 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: compilation tapes.
Hi all... I am starting to do some thinking like Mike Bahr... I am
thinking of EVENTUALLY making a DT compilation tape of all songs that
they have done live that are not from I&W. I have all of them on CD,
so it should not be too difficult to make... Here is what I have, and
their source.
A Change Of Seasons: Dances Of Eternity
Eve (lyrics): Dances Of Eternity
A Fortune In Lies: Dances Of Eternity
Ytse Jam: Dances Of Eternity
Moon Bubbles, Another Day, Another Hand, Killing Hand: Home Sweet Home
all lead from one right into the next
Status Seeker: Dream Out Loud
Forever, Barfbag, Drum Solo: Dream Out Loud
Bombay Vindaloo: Live At The Marquee
Eve (inst): probably from show that was source of DoL (on tape)
Would people be interested in something like this? I would fill the
rest of it with songs from DoE, and DoL, probably Wait For
Sleep/Learning To Live from DoE, then maybe Wait For Sleep/Surrounded
from DoL... I know that these are repeating, but they are blended into
each other perfectly...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:12:04 -0500 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: We Have an FTP site!!!
Hi all... Good news. We finally got ourselves an FTP site of out own.
Well, the source never did say his name, other than Dr. Mosh (drkhoe@netcom.com).
It can be reached at: ftp ftp.netcom.com
I have placed all Dream Theater stuff in:
/pub/drkhoe/incoming/DT
He will make it publicly availiable in: /pub/drkhoe/DT
I have placed the FAQ, the Discog, the bootleg discog, the lyrics sheets, an ad for YTSEJAM there.
I am not sure about disk space, but maybe we at least put the TABs that everybody has been working on there also...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "BEACON ge121.1bq account" <pjhollow@sail.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Keyboard Transcripts
I'd like to get ahold of some transcripts for Kevin's keyboard parts to any DT songs, specifically Wait for Sleep and Surrounded. The right hand part in W_f_S is rather easy, but I can't figure out what he's doing in the left hand. Please mail me anything you have.
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 12:10:43 CST From: ucc_sbh@SHSU.edu Subject: RE: More Fates Warning News
Does anyone know if Jim Matheos will be playing on the new Fate's Warning?
S.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 14:04:06 -0500 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: James with FW
HI all... I just noticed something... someone had mentioned that Kevin played on a previous Fates Warning CD, and I was just listening to Parallels and looking through the booklet, and wouldn't you know it, but James does background vocals on Life In Still Water.
Didn't even realize that he worked with them also... I am listening, and I am not sure whether I can hear him or not... it seems like both him and Ray are singing simultaneously...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 11:08:00 -0800 (PST) From: JOEY BIBB 225-2225 <BIBB.JOEY@a1gw.gene.com> Subject: DT on sports tv...
I was sort of half-watching a cycling championship this Saturday (4/2) when all of a sudden the first few bars of "Another Day" came out of the set. They had a voice-over going on about another segment of the show, but it was unmistakeable (and a nice surprise on a Saturday afternoon) I guess there are DT listeners in TV production crews too.:-) I'm not fortunate enough to know any women who listen to DT (and other music like it) so I find it very gratifying to see them speaking out. Go for it, ladies! Lastly, is there any truth to that post I read today about the new album's release date? In three weeks?? ...light to dark dark to light light to dark... Joey
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 13:31:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Russell Halgrim <srh1@cec.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys and Annihilator
On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, Matthew Robert Lawrence wrote:
> record label - can anyone tell me why Geffen dropped them?).
They weren't selling. If you hadn't noticed, Geffen pushed them hard. Their first album was in all the special display racks in all the big record stores. Geffen just decided that they were putting too much money into sump'n that they weren't getting a return on.
Life Rules! Scott
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 14:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Re: Metal bands
I would consider Rush and Queensryche to be similar bands Genre-wise to DT, everyone seems to be forgetting the Iron Maiden influence though! I'm not making this up, DT has listed Maiden as one of their top influences and speakingas one who grew up listening to Maiden I see the similarities. The closest Maiden to DT would be the Powerslave - 7th Son of a 7th Son, although I don't know if the similarities would be all that obvious to the average listener. About the mailing list thread. . .I'm on NMS, New Releases, Bruins, Patriots, Celtics(I gave up on the Sox!), Notes From The Edge(Yes), Gibraltar(Prog. rock, they get REALLY obscure, it's very interesting stuff!), Rising Force(Neo- classical metal, mainly Yngwie), I think that's it. I agree that NMS has become a B.S. balloon, which is too bad. I also think that YTSEJAM used to be even worse than the NMS is, but over time has really matured into a cool list. I just wish I had the cash to get all those bootlegs everyone talks about!! :) NMS still has those cool t-shirts though. . .
Party on, Aaron ASILVERM@UMIAMI
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Re: Metal bands
One more thing. . .anybody know what happened to the Primus list that started up around the same time as YTSEJAM? Did it die or what?
Aarojn ASILVERM@UMIAMI
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:58:06 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 363
Excerpts from ytsejam: 3-Apr-94 YTSEJAM digest 363 by ytsejam@bnf.com > > Dance Of Eternity is an audience boot. It would be VERY obvious if it were a > soundboard recording. I have quite a few soundboard boots of them and you > can barely hear the audience. The audience has to be "miked" for any live > album as the band is much louder than the audience when recorded. Dance Of > Eternity is one of the best audience boots I've ever heard. >
It is a soundboard bootleg, it is very obvious, and the audience IS miked, because they were going to release it as a live album. It probably got put out as a bootleg the same way LATM and LIT did as "Images & Tour." It is a little distorted (no one ever said that a soundboard can't distort), which is probably one reason it didn't get released.
> As for DOE being slotted for some release because they played "A Change Of > Seasons", not quite. The performance on DOE is the Limelight show which was > an Industry Showcase. This means alot of industry people were there and they > did TWO sets (the two CDs represent each set). I have a copy of the video of > this show. It was generated by people at WEA. They did cut off "To Live > Forever" and "Take The Time" on the video. There are interviews with the > crowd (and Mike) in between the concert footage.
We have this video. And they WERE planning on releasing acos. It wasn't a rumor, it was official, but it got cancelled, for whatever reason. That's probably why the industry showcase video was authorized. Because they had decided not to release it. It wouldn't surprise me if DoE was authorized, too.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu
"This MY vehicle! You, PEDESTRIAN!"
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:41:46 -0500 (EDT) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: More boots from Live at the Marquee?
I just thought of this the other day. Whatever show the Live at the Marquee CD was record at, there must have been a very nice recording system set up there. I'm sure that the tapes ran for the whole show. I was wondering if anyone has any other songs from this show since they would sound incredible just like Marquee does.
I guess the same goes for the Live in Tokyo video. BTW - if you have a way to, make yourself a copy of Live in Tokyo on an audio tape to take with you in the car and stuff. It rocks!!
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:39:04 -0500 (EDT) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: Baltimore area boots
I was wondering if anyone out there had any boots (audio or video) of Baltimore shows. There are two that I'm interested in (I went to both). On was at Hammerjacks sometime in late February. 27th or 28th. The other was at the Pier 6 Concert Pavilion sometime in July I believe. Let me know if you have anything. I know that there is supposedly an audio of the Hammerjacks show. I would really like to have a video if possible.
At the Hammerjacks show, there was some chick sitting on one of the big PA speakers with a video camera. One big ugly bouncer type guy came up and said something to her but then she said something back or showed him a pass or something and he left her alone. I wonder if this was turned into a boot?
Let me know! ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:28:21 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom12.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: The Dream Theater Archive
The Dream Theater archives are now open...
ftp to:
ftp.netcom.com: /pub/drkhoe/dt
we have not added any pictures yet... but will soon... if you have any submissions for pictures, etc... send them to:
or
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:33:59 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: NEW Producer?
> week, but they have not yet decided who will produce this next > album. I was lucky enough to hear some of the new material: One new > song is a ten minute epic very much in the DT tradition and another > is an acoustic piece that might be part of a trilogy of sorts... " > (signed by Gail Flug) > > So what's up with all the rumors about T.B being the producer?
Metal Shop weekly radio show, a nationwide broadcast, said some months back that Terry Brown was producing it... however it is entirely possible that they may be wrong. I wouldn't think much of it. Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com/king@citadel.gov.riva
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 15:28:29 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: Metal bands
When I first heard them, I thought they sounded like a combination of Metallica and ELP more than anything else.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 20:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Subject: Flotsam and Jetsam
Well I have seen that you guys have been posting stuff about other bands so I thought I'd thrown in my 3.5 cents (ihate cliches) :)
I don't know how "progressive" you would rate these guys but they are really good. They do some off-time/off-beat stuff, the guitars and vox are really good too. If you guys get a chance you should really check 'em out. There music is really strong and I wou ld think that DT fans would really appreciate their music.
P.S. when the new fates warning comes out I hope someone posts something incase I don't hear anything about it. I saw 'em once at the Limelight in NYC they were awesome. Except theie was a problem with Aresti's guitar rig at one point and it took about 2 min's or so to fix. I have been listening to them since their first album
See ya Tom Menegatos
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 16:44:05 -0700 From: Chris Wegner <cwegner@kaiwan.com> Subject: RE: Dances of Eternity
unsubscribe cwegner@kaiwan.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 22:57:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: Bootleg Program
POST IT!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e, a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, 3 Apr 1994, Timo Haanp{{ UPR wrote:
> Now it's done... I made a program, which helps you read the bootleg listing. > No more ::13,43,149,500-600,1, nonono. Now you just browse in the bootleg > CD listing and select the one you want, and the program will extract > the names for you.. Easy! And all this for free. :-) > > It's a PC program, but I'll mail the (almost ANSI-) C sourcecode to anyone > who wants it. It shouldn't be too hard to port to other computers, because > even the screen handling is done with ANSI-sequences and there's no cursor > key support etc.. If you want the PC executable, please mail to me at > thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi. If there are many people who want it, I'll mail it to the > list. It's just about 10 kB long. > -- > "Through different eyes we keep looking for what we lack." >
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 23:11:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: uh, 'scuse me??
Sorry!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e, a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 01:26:22 -0500 (EDT) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: looking for a guy with boots...
I forget where I met this guy. I don't know if it was here or on the Rush list or maybe a newsgroup but his orignal post said something like " I have this guys list of all of these bands that he has boots of, its like 7 pages" or something like that. I then sent him a letter asking if he had any boots by Eric Johnson or The Chance (ever heard of them) and he said no.
There were a few other things I wanted to check on but I can't find out where he is. I didn't save any old letters to replay to or anything.
Please let me know if you are out there!
Thanks!
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: 05 Apr 94 01:28:55 EDT From: Timothy.R.St.Onge@Dartmouth.EDU (Timothy R. St. Onge) Subject: Fates Warning and Kevin
To follow up on Mike Burstin's comment about James's singing on Parallels, I have that album and just recently got Perfect Symmetry by Fates Warning (great album). Kevin Moore plays keyboards on a "Metropolis and Kansas's "Cheyenne Anthem'"esque song called At Fates Hands. Perfect Symmetry is much more in the Dream Theater vein than Parallels. It seems Terry Brown watered down their crazy rhythm changes, but the album is incredible. I recommend it and Perfect Symmetry to all DT fans.
Tim St.Onge timothy.r.st.onge@dartmouth.edu
"Weary and weakened victims fall prey to vague ideals and passionless play...systematic spontaneity in synchronized society."
Fates Warning - "Part of the Machine"
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