YTSEJAM Digest 474
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Age etc...
by Matthew M Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>
2) abreviations & Re: boot vid names?
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Stop fighting over time sig of WfS!!!
by hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Re: WFS Time Signature
by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
5) Re: GftPM
by "Donald J. Kresal" <dkresal@cap.gwu.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 473 (No DT Content)
by SVanHooser@aol.com
7) Wait for Sigs. :)
by Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:50:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Matthew M Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Age etc...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9407312103.A10071-0100000@kepler.unh.edu>
> Penderwynd
>
> "If Mozart were alive today, he'd be in a speed metal band."
>
No, he'd most likely be in DT.......
Matt Leger
mml@kepler.unh.edu
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 23:24:18 -0500 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: abreviations & Re: boot vid names?
Message-ID: <199408010324.XAA20806@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>
A few quick things... First off, for all of the newer subscribers,
here are some of the abreviations that you will often see...
Legit releases:
I&W, WDADU, LaTM (Live At The Marquee), LiT (Live In Tokyo)
Song names:
OAMOT: Only A MAtter Of Time
AFiL: A Fortune In Lies
Bootlegs:
LitS: Lost In The Sky LiLI: L:ive In Long Island
DoE: Dances Of Eternity LoS: Lords Of Sound
DoL: Dream Out Loud CU: Consciously Unreal
HSH: Home Sweet Home
The rest should be relatively obvious...
now... onto Brian's comment...
> From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tamsun.tamu.edu>
> Subject: boot vid names?
>
> where do these vids get the names? if you are buying these vids from
> dealers, i would suggest getting them from people on this list (me,
> mike burstin, etc) instead. between us we probably have lower gen
> versions of all the dt vids than the dealers. dealers at shows usually
> use shitty tapes and record mono, anyway. i have a second gen hifi version
> of that san fran show, on a maxell hifi tape. hard to get any better than
> that. a guy i trade with paid the dude to film that san fran show.
>
I definatly agree that you are much better off trading with members on
the list... first off, many of you will find that we do have more
videos than most dealers will have, so not only will you get better
quality, but you will have a better selection... Also, followiung
what Brian said... I have already talked to some dealers at a show
who wants to trade (I have not had time to follow up yet)... but I
really wou;dn't suggest paying for videos... Try here first, then try
to trade... hell of alot cheaper to trade than to buy tapes...
> but, can anyone else offer up names that boot vids have been given, i
> am interested now. i remember someone had a named version of the toronto
> show. i also have a 2nd gen hifi version of that.
>
I do remember seeing some quite funny names... and origional... I
really love some of the boot CD names... Lords Of Sound, Consciously
Unreal... where do people come up w/ these... I mean, LitS, DoE...
those come from song names... HSH comes from the first line on the
boot, but some are quite interesting... to say the least...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Caught In A Web | | Numb from the world | | Hanging on by a thread | | Scared of the life that fights in my head | | Dream Theater Caught In A Web Awake | | release date for Dream Theater's Awake: October 4, 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 00:04:12 -0500 (EDT) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Stop fighting over time sig of WfS!!! Message-ID: <199408010404.AAA10548@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I wish that you would all stop fighting about the time sig for wait for sleep. There is no correct answer. The MOST correct answer would be the one that Kevin has used to write it down, or record it in the sequencer. Time sigs are not really meant to be that definative. They are mainly used to help people when playing music to organize the notes in an order that is easy to understand and play. For all we know, Kevin could have written Wait for Sleep in 1/8 time!
Let me show you an example. The big "X" will be the pulse, the strong beat. The little "x" will be the other notes in the measure. Now you can imagine this on a drum or even some piece of music with the same pattern.
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 XxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxx
1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 XxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxx
Now there you can hopefully see that the listen wouldn't know whether its in 4/4 or 6/4. You could have even made it wackier.
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 XxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxxXxxx
Now this WOULD look funny written on a page but its complety "legal". BTW - that is in 7/8 in case you couldn't tell. The accents are certainly in unusual locations and they don't fall on the strong beats (1,2,3, or 4), but because of the way the composer wrote it, its STILL is in 7/8 time.
I'm trying to say that all of your thoughts and guesses reguarding the Wait for Sleep time sig are fine, but I just don't want people to starting pulling out the flame throws and saying who has the "correct" time sigs.
I could say the whole song is in 1/8 and you couldn't prove me wrong. :)
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 00:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: WFS Time Signature Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408010004.A5068-0100000@bigcat>
Sorry dude, but I totally disagree on the intro part...and in my opinion, it's still a mystery SIG...if you listen to the beats close enough, it's not 5/8...sorry to rain on your parade...it's close...but I don't think that's it. Later!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps.
emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu ERIC MOEGLING: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 08:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald J. Kresal" <dkresal@cap.gwu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: GftPM Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9408010804.A411-9100000@cap.gwu.edu>
It is from LATM. zip
On Thu, 28 Jul 1994 Mozo21@aol.com wrote:
> I just saw the new Guitar for the Practicing Musician CD and Bombay Vindaloo > was on it. I'm not sure if this is the live version from LatM, or a studio > one. > > Anyone know? > > Andy > > >
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Topic No. 6
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 94 11:44:18 EDT From: SVanHooser@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 473 (No DT Content) Message-ID: <9408011144.tn454192@aol.com>
Sorry for the lack of DT content, but....
If anyone knows of any copies of Impending Ascention by Magellan lying around, please let me know!
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Topic No. 7
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Wait for Sigs. :) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408011203.A20603-0100000@am.ucsc.edu>
THis isn't really an argument; we are trying to figure out how the notes are laid down. Yes, it could be all in 1/8, but that gives no indication as to the structure fo the song, you see?
ANyways, the opening part absolutely, is in 5-5-5-4-6-6-6-4 repitions. If you can't hear it clearly, listen to the cleaner version in LtL. There, there are bass notes going along with the melody line, and you can clearly hear 5 bass notes in repition for the beginning. It's also a lot easier with the staccato piano sound without the strings making a more ambient, muddy sound. Try it: THat's how I got it, then went back to WfS to figure out the rest. I did this months ago, and it still sounds right after all this time.
the melody is layed out as follows:
b ab b ab b ab d c b ab b ab g fg f e d 12345 12345 12345 1234 123456 123456 123456 1234
with the f's being f# actually...
of course, it all changes later when he switches to the 6/8 part...
~Chris
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