YTSEJAM digest 436

From: ytsejam@bnf.com
Date: Sat Jun 25 1994 - 01:55:25 EDT

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    Contents:
    Re: DT's new producers ("James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>)
    Re: What band? (Matthew M Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>)
    Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 433 (NuclearAnt@aol.com)
    Re: IF YOU ORDERED A SHIRT... (NuclearAnt@aol.com)
    Re: Awake in Digital? (Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
    Re: Producers (Mike Hutchinson <hutchins@software.org>)
     re:YTSEJAM digest 435 ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
          Re: favorite song ("Doug Slauson" <DRSLAUS@msae.cae.wisc.edu>)
     (SDEV_PK@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Pam Knight))
    Re: Awake in Digital? (drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
    Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 433 (Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>)
    Re: DT's new producers (Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>)
    DT on the radio (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)

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    Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
    From: "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
    Subject: Re: DT's new producers

    > >Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:02:20 -0500
    > >From: Mike Hutchinson <hutchins@software.org>
    > >Subject: DT's new producers
    > >
    > >Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> wrote:
    > >
    > >> They both started out as engineers (previous work includes Ozzy
    > >> Ozbourne's (sp) No More Tears
    > >
    > >Uh-oh. That Ozzy album is one of the sludgier, more overdriven mixes
    > >I've heard. I was hoping DT would go for a Ron St Germain-style production,
    > >everything clear in the mix, some ambient sound (especially on drums) but
    > >otherwise fairly dry. Check out Living Colour's "Stain" or his couple of
    > >tracks on Bonham's "Mad Hatter" to see what I mean. Anyhow, I hope Myung
    > >is audible this time.
    > >

            I'll be honest with you guys, I think DT could have done a helluva
    lot better with the drum sounds on I & W. Why on earth would they use
    triggered samples instead of the real McCoy? I understand they went back
    and percentage-quantized the drum sequence to tighten up the tracks even
    more, but couldn't they at least have used some better samples? That
    snare is just GRRRATING when the sample starts over in the middle of a
    roll. Hope this doesn't offend anyone because it's really not intended
    to. Ralph Santolla (a local Ibanez / Mesa Boogie / Rivera endorsed
    guitarist) told me that he spoke with Petrucci out at NAMM and Petrucci
    said that their former producer David Prater was a dick and they hated the
    way he had handled a lot of the production, especially the drums. They're
    definitely not using him on the new record.

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    Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 23:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Matthew M Leger <mml@kepler.unh.edu>
    Subject: Re: What band?

    On Thu, 23 Jun 1994 MikeP81576@aol.com wrote:

    > > These guys kick ass..... I've known them since high school and > > have
    > played with them. The sound is solid and full. Buy the disc, > it'll be the
    > best 10 bucks you've spent in a while...
    >
    > Hey nice try. What band would we be talking about? Magellen? I love
    > guessing games.
    >

            SORRY....
            I thought I had included the original message in my reply. The
    band is DIVINE REGALE. They ARE excellent, with DT and FAtes
    influences. E-mail me for a disc ($10) or tape ($7).

    sorry again,

    Matt Leger
    mml@kepler.unh.edu

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    Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:37:08 EDT
    From: NuclearAnt@aol.com
    Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 433

    What Are you talking about( in other words)---->Huh???

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    Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:35:27 EDT
    From: NuclearAnt@aol.com
    Subject: Re: IF YOU ORDERED A SHIRT...

    I'm a new member on the ytsejam mailing list also, and wondering how to
    purchase some of their shirts also. Any information will be appreciated!
      By the way, I could I go about purchasing the Dance of Eternity and other
    live Dreamtheater cd's.

    Blind Melon sucks------->Assholes stuck in fantasy.

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    Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 22:38:39 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
    Subject: Re: Awake in Digital?

    Let's hope not!!!

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major
    would have 4 sharps.

                                  emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
               ERIC MOEGLING:
                                emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 09:01:59 -0500
    From: Mike Hutchinson <hutchins@software.org>
    Subject: Re: Producers

    Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> wrote:

    > >Uh-oh. That Ozzy album is one of the sludgier, more overdriven
    > >mixes I've heard. I was hoping DT would go for a Ron St Germain-style
    > >production, everything clear in the mix, some ambient sound (especially
    > >on drums) but otherwise fairly dry. Check out Living Colour's "Stain"
    > >or his couple of tracks on Bonham's "Mad Hatter" to see what I
    > >mean. Anyhow, I hope Myung is audible this time.
    >
    > They need to have producers who can get the sound recorded right, so
    > it can be mixed to sound as perfect as possible... From what I hear (and
    > this is only what I hear... I have no idea about how a CD is recorded or
    > mixed, etc...) the producers don't really do the mixing, the
    > sound engineers do... (correct me if I am wrong)...

    The producers (sometimes) don't do the actual engineering or mixing, but
    they are supposed to construct the overall "sound" of an album. Some
    producers have enough time and technical knowledge to record and mix as
    well. But primarily they are responsible for helping bands get the sound
    they want on their recordings. Often bands are not exactly sure what they
    want their record to sound like -- and this is when producers have the most
    influence. I think DT has a pretty clear idea of what kind of recording/mix
    they're looking for after their experience with the last album, so
    I guess we'll have to trust their judgment in picking producers ...

    -- Mike

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:10:54 +0000
    From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>
    Subject: re:YTSEJAM digest 435

    In message "YTSEJAM digest 435", you write:

    > From: soeryant@egr.msu.edu
    >
    >
    > I wrote to DT a couple months ago, asking them to make video with real (I
    > mean really real) dolby surround mode, not just like the one we could
    > listen from the CD I&W, which is I think only the stereo that can be
    > simulated to be played on simple dolby pro-logic and some leaking sound on
    > the other four channels. The fan club answered my letter, without saying
    > anything about the issue. I'm a little dissapointed. I hope they consider
    > this thing, so that the sound quality of their next video won't be that
    > bad.
    >

    You should also have asked them to make a video where everything isn't visually
    washed out every time red stage lighting is used. Aren't there filters
    that can prevent this sort of thing? Many parts of LiT were hard to
    see because of this. This isn't meant to bash LiT-I like it-but is rather
    just a very minor annoyance.

    --------------
    Wolf Man

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:35:22 CST
    From: "Doug Slauson" <DRSLAUS@msae.cae.wisc.edu>
    Subject: Re: favorite song

    >
    > It would have to be "Under A Glass Moon." The interlude leading
    > up to the guitar solo, along with the guitar solo, is mind-blowing.
    >

        YES!! YES!! YES!! "Under a Glass Moon" would also be my choice
    for the essential DT song. That interlude lead in to the solo is
    just awesome; no matter how many times I listen to it, it always
    blows me away. (How does Portnoy do all that double bass work?!? I am
    completely mistified!)

        Douglas
     

    ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
     Rebellion is your pestilence
     I'll never be confined
     Forever you shall yield to me
     ANARCHY DIVINE! -Fates Warning
    oooooooooooo douglass@cae.wisc.edu oooooooooooo

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 13:57:24 -0400
    From: SDEV_PK@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Pam Knight)
    Subject:

    unsubscribe ytsejam SDEV_PK@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:26:30 PDT
    From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
    Subject: Re: Awake in Digital?

    >Let's hope not!!!
    >
    >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    >If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e
    >A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major
    >would have 4 sharps.
    >
    > emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
    > ERIC MOEGLING:
    > emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
    >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >

    I guess you would be referring to if Awake is recording, mixed and
    mastered finally into full digital... Well, I sure hope so! Nowadays
    pro-digital equipment is superior to analog. No generation loss and the
    ultimate in resolution, listen to Parallels (Fates Warning) if you want an
    example... Especially 20-bit masters, they are incredible, finally
    dithered down to 16-bit (for your normal CD players), they can contain
    dynamic ranges of incredible ratios in dB (I do have a 20-bit capable
    CD-player).

    -The Doc

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:36:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org> Subject: Re: #1(2) YTSEJAM digest 433

    On Fri, 24 Jun 1994 NuclearAnt@aol.com wrote: > What Are you talking about( in other words)---->Huh??? > What are YOU talking about?? If you included something, someone could answer you better!

    GMS *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Garrett M. Sanborne gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org | | gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu | | "Do what you love, the rest comes." "Huh huh .. drums are cool." | *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

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    Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org> Subject: Re: DT's new producers

    On Fri, 24 Jun 1994, James Studnicki (HON) wrote: > > I'll be honest with you guys, I think DT could have done a helluva > lot better with the drum sounds on I & W. Why on earth would they use > triggered samples instead of the real McCoy? I understand they went back > and percentage-quantized the drum sequence to tighten up the tracks even > more, but couldn't they at least have used some better samples? That > snare is just GRRRATING when the sample starts over in the middle of a > roll. Hope this doesn't offend anyone because it's really not intended > to. Ralph Santolla (a local Ibanez / Mesa Boogie / Rivera endorsed > guitarist) told me that he spoke with Petrucci out at NAMM and Petrucci > said that their former producer David Prater was a dick and they hated the > way he had handled a lot of the production, especially the drums. They're > definitely not using him on the new record. > I totally agree about the sound. To hear such an amazing player with terrible drum sampling is like listening to a syphony orchestra playing a mozart piece under water. Blech! Anyway, I'm VERY glad they don't play on using that guy anymore. Good riddance.

    *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Garrett M. Sanborne gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org | | gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu | | "Do what you love, the rest comes." "Huh huh .. drums are cool." | *-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

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    Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 01:06:38 -0500 (EDT) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: DT on the radio

    Is DT still scheduled to be on the radio? I believe the date was June 26th which would be this Sunday. Does anyone have any new info about it?

    Be sure to fill us in!!

    I hope that they kept James out of the writting (both music and lyrics) for Awake. I wouldn't want anything on the next album to sound like "White Trash" from Winter Rose. Can you say cheesy?

    I think one thing that would be really cool is if they kept the liner notes like I&W's ie. Images : Dream Theater - Words : Moore. What do you think?

    Also, as far as changes in the future. I can't decide whether John P. should get a new guitar or should he keep the "faces" guitar forever. Maybe he will get a new on and pull out the "faces" one for the I&W's stuff.

    Any thoughts?

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