YTSEJAM Digest 1689
Today's Topics:
1) CD's and stuff
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
2) Re: Drugs in rock and roll
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
3) ummmmm.....
by Mario Viele <ripzero@inlink.com>
4) jp in guitar world magazine!!!
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
5) New Releases Mailing list
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
6) Re: jp in guitar world magazine!!!
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
7) cd storage-
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
8) Keith Emerosn's defintion of "progressive"
by Galactic Cowboy <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1684
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
10) stuff
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
11) DTC blablablablabla
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
12) looks looks looks
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
13) smumpkins
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
14) Jason Becker
by Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:20:52 -0400
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD's and stuff
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960715022052.0068f560@ici.net>
>Anyway, I am about to move next week,
>and I have over 600 cd's. I would like
>input on how other people store their
>cd's in the house in an orderly, visually
>pleasing way.
I think that once you have that many, you kind of run into a problem. I have
a multimedia wall rack (holds CD's, tapes and videos), but it's *long* since
been unable to hold my collection. Now, I just leave them lying around in
orderly, visually pleasing piles all over the place. :)
A note on transporting them: I discovered quite by accident that if you take
one of those soda 12-pack boxes and cut it in half, each half holds about 18
CD's perfectly. It makes 'em easier to transport, plus you don't have to
waste good cardboard boxes on them (One thing you never seem to have enough
of when you're moving is boxes. :)).
-----
>thats just the thing.... its like, if you have an album all about
>winter, and all the songs are about the sharp coldness n everything...
>but on the cover and all over the cd the artwork is blistering bright
>red everywhere aand fire and stuff... i'm going to picture the red and
>the fire everytime i hear that cd... its nothing i can help, its just
>the way my mind functions through that type of thing...
I don't know about the album cover art having that kind of effect, but I
know there's several songs that remind me of things because something
memorable happened while I was listening to it once. It's kind of like
having a relationship with someone when you have a specific song that's
"your song". Years later, even after you're not with that person anymore,
you can hear that song and it will take you back.
There's a song by Blue Oyster Cult called "In Thee" which I will forever
associate with skiing because I listened to it several times on the bus ride
back from a ski trip back when I was in H.S.
It's amazing what tricks the brain can pull on you behind your back. Anyone
else got any songs like that; songs that they associate with stuff that has
nothing to do with the song? Just curious.
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________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
Aliens: 3rd rock from Sol (the blue one)
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:22:17 -0400
From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Drugs in rock and roll
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960714222259.2d574688@access.mountain.net>
At 11:40 PM 7/12/96 -0700, somebody wrote:
>Unfortunately drugs have ALWAYS been a part of rock and roll and they
>always will be. Chuck Berry is a heroin addict and has been forever it
>seems.
True, not only have drugs always been a part of rock, but they have always
been a part of music, period. Think of some of the great composers. Mozart
was a chronic alcoholic, and Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique" (which is
fantastic, BTW) is the result of an opium-induced dream. Add to those rock
folks you mentioned above some of the recovered alcoholics/addicts (Roger
Waters, Fish, etc.). Just goes with the territory, I guess.
Buzzin' on caffeine...
Jonathan Byrne
rael@access.mountain.net
http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm
West Virginia University College of Law
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"And so with gods and men
The sheep remain inside their pen
Though many times they've seen the way to leave."
-"Firth of Fifth", Genesis
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:22:02 -0500
From: Mario Viele <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ummmmm.....
Message-ID: <31E9AB49.7E30@inlink.com>
>Me and some guys on IRC hatched this mother of a plan. Here goes. I
>want to profile the average YTSEJAMMER!!! I will take all your
>responses and find what the average jammer is REALLY like. All you
>have to do is answer these 4 SIMPLE questions:
do your questions serve any importance whatsoever? i mean,
does this sound a little off the wall to anyone else? well, here lemme
explain my reasoning before i say more-
>1. Are you a musician, and if so what instrument do you play?
i dont see what this is proving, i mean, i play guitar, i'm sure
billions of nirvana fans and greenday fans play guitar too..... and
yes, we're all musicians... i'm also sure many people on both lists DONT
play an instrument... go figure.
>2. What is/was your grade point average? (high school, college,
>whatever you're prouder of.)
prouder? please man, we're trying to make the DT fans sound like the
*intelligenter* ones :) seriously, grades mean nothing. I know some
incredibly smart "grungers" also, i suck at math, fellow jammer Mike
Van Opstall is a math GENIOUS on the other hand... we're both DT fans,
nothing is proven there.
>3. Are you an athlete, and if so what sport do you play?
theres so many different kinds of people on this list i dont think you
could pull an "average" from this q.
>4. What is your, (or your parents, depending on if you're in school or
>not) average yearley income?
the amount of money someone makes doesnt mean shit, thats the extent of
it. so what if some bum likes DT and some rich kid like greenday or
vice versa.... also, the amount of "a$h someone makes is none of yer
business :P
i hate to just bring down your plan right after you've posted it, i
mean, if you spend years building a utopia, and some dick comes and
wrecks it in a day..... BUILD ANYWAY! - Nuge. dont lemme stop you, i'm
just kicking out side two of the story :) this is definately no flame
to the people who pulled it together or anything of that matter-
basically i dont think you're going to pull any averages out of this to
profile the avg ytsejammer, but i'm still intrigued in what the results
will be :)
~Rip
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:50:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
To: THE PROUD FANS OF DREAM THEATER <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: jp in guitar world magazine!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960714194114.21924B-100000@general2.asu.edu>
hey guys, i don't know if anyone posted this, but today in zia records
(it's a buy, sell, trade music store) i was in the mag section, thumbing
through em and found an article by jp in the august edition of guitar
world magazine. i didn't have time to read the article because i was in
a hurry, buy i did notice that he wrote a piece from chopin for the
guitar. check it out. btw, is it just me or is dt actually growing more
popular? (i know most of us hope not) they'll probably be a household
name in 5 years.
oh yeah: i actually talked to someone at zia records who knows what dt is.
DON'T LET YOUR BRAIN TAKE A VACATION...IT MIGHT LOOSE ITS LUGGAGE!!!
"She can turn a drop of water into an ocean"
---Dream Theater
The Music and The Man Behind it:
____ ____ ___ ___ ____ ____ ___ ___ ____ ____
/ \ // / \ / / / // \ // \ /_ / / / \ /
/---- \/ /----/ \ /---- / /---//---- \ // \ /\ / /---- \
/____ / /____ \____// / / //____ \/ \____// \ / /____ / \
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:10:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New Releases Mailing list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960715000646.472A-100000@scc.net>
Hey guys, it's me. Glyde/Dr. Teeth. You may have missed me, you may not
have but that's not the point. I'm back. (Hehe.)
Anyway, somewhere along the way, I lost the address for the New Releases
Mailing list. The last few months of this school year, I was subscribed
to it and for some reason, it didn't seem to be working. Anyway, if
someone could direct me to a current address of this list, please lemme
(and the whole freekin' 'Jam) know.
Before I go, let me leave you with this eloquent quote:
"Holy Geez! I wanted to lick 'em!"
Thanks.
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: jp in guitar world magazine!!!
Message-ID: <199607150511.FAA24782@fraser.sfu.ca>
> hey guys, i don't know if anyone posted this, but today in zia records
> through em and found an article by jp in the august edition of guitar
> world magazine. i didn't have time to read the article because i was in
> a hurry, buy i did notice that he wrote a piece from chopin for the
> guitar. check it out. btw, is it just me or is dt actually growing more
>
john has a regular column in the magazine. you can also check out their
web page: http://www.guitarworld.com and check out john's articles/lessons
there. They even have .wav files to accompany the lessons. pretty cool!
tim
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:16:15 -0500
From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: cd storage-
Message-ID: <31E9D41F.32B4@dreamt.org>
different user@hosts are fun :)
>Anyway, I am about to move next week,
>and I have over 600 cd's. I would like
>input on how other people store their
>cd's in the house in an orderly, visually
>pleasing way. In my apartment I have been
>using an old ratty wooden bookcase, but that
>is getting thrown out when I move. I really don't
>want to put them in the plastic 90 cd crates because
>then everytime you buy a new cd you have to
>transfer each cd down one slot, and that gets
>pretty old when you have so many. I want the
>house to look nice, but don't want to buy a
>new bookcase just to put my cd collection on
>display. Any ideas?
wow, 600............ you can send some to me :) actually a fun thing to
do is just get some old cement blocks and boards and just make your own
shelf, it looks cooooool for storing cds on too, its how i store all my
records :)
bookcases are the most common way of storing mass cds though, i cant
think of much else.... you can get special cd-holder type things prob.
not too expensive in stores n stuff, though you'd probably have to buy
quite a few to hold 600 :)
~Rip
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 03:04:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Galactic Cowboy <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: the cool people <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keith Emerosn's defintion of "progressive"
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960715030241.29669A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
I know that this was posted before, but can anyone tell me again what
Keith Emerson's definition of "progressive music" was? I remember it was
a really cool definition. Thanks.
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 09:45:40 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1684
Message-ID: <v02130500ae0fa557c1bf@[128.178.99.94]>
>And the last question is : Is there any limited Edition or DigiPak disk for
>any LP?
BTW, what is special about Digipacks? In fact, what the hell is a Digipack?
>ivory gate, #2 would be the old ACOS, and #3 would be the new one. I think
>they lost a lot of emotion in that song by taking out all the "don't
>go's". They took a primal scream of a song and watered it down by playing
>up a somewhat vague philisophical theme, which they undercut further
>with oversaturation. just my opinion.
That's one part from the original I regret they didn't do on the new version
>things. They didn't turn away from metal, and i think they remained metal
>in spirit (whatever that means), but they went beyond it.
How come they're (apparently) turning back to metal (NoExit/Perfect-ish)
with their forthcoming album? IMO, they tried to sell more by doing more
commercial, just because when you're out on the road for 10 years and are
not selling, you start to think about those things. It must be kinda
frustrating for FW to be out there longer than DT, but much less popular.
So they tried and it sort of worked (the response to Inside wasn't bad),
but they maybe felt they're losing the core of the fans, the ones who made
them keep the faith so that could be one reason for the new evolution. If
FW manages to do something in the vein of Perfect, but with a decent modern
sound (please!!!!!!!), that would be no less than SUPERB.
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 10:28:12 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <v02130500ae0facfa8d25@[128.178.99.94]>
>anyway, i still think all three are awesome. i would rate them the
>same way max would, though i rather like the heaviness of the new
>ACOS.
Anyway, it seems it all comes down to opinions. I most probably favor ACoS
because I gieve more importance to the music than the lyrics. BTW, what's
the third song you mention?
>eJ8+IjQSAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAEAAQABBJAG
>AAABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAADsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>and yeah, you're right, DEATH is verry progressive. actually, chuck is a
>big d.t. fan. actaully, in the last interview i read of him, he
>mentioned d.t.. there you go, i have content!
Where was it in?
>i don't have much to base this on except "No Exit" (the album" by FW ...
>but ...doesn't anyone else think that his singing ... uh, isn't the
>greatest? I don't mind the high wailing, but sometimes it sounds like
>they don't even agree on pitches ... the singer just wails and changes
>his pitch like steve vai plays with his whammy bar. i personally just
>can't listen to FW for that reason alone ... i can't stand the singing.
>arggg...
I started FW with Perfect. That's Ray's highest singing period. I thought
it was a girl singing (cf. Arena!!). He's now come down with the notes. I
guess you should stand the way he sings on Parallels and Inside Out. On
Perfect, you have the impression he's pushing his limits. Hey, if you can't
stand that sort of singing, why not try FWs John Arch period (1984-87)? Now
that's some pretty fucked-up-pscho-nut singing. Or if you want more of a
(embarrassed) laugh, try DT's vocalist audition tapes where John gets to do
a few songs. Ha!
>Hello, i am a new subscriber, but what is this Ivory Gate of Dreams? i
>want to get it, and what does IMO mean?????
Ivory is a 20+ min song from Fates Warning's "No Exit" album.
IMO: in my opinion.
>any ways thanks and reply
yesss....sir!
> If you are looking for conceptual material, 2112 is probably a
>Rick
>Toronto
Thanks, man. I keep your info for further reference!
Take care,
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:20:30 +0200
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DTC blablablablabla
Message-ID: <v02130502ae0fb84734f3@[128.178.99.94]>
>it, but what I really hate is when I'm cranking Fates or DT and other people
>make fun of me or whatever when Ray or James sing high, they call it
>hair-band shit or whatever. That's ridiculous, because all it is is
as the saying goes, live and let them die
>(who is excellent, btw) left him despite having "endured" two albums with
>Chuck. Without his contribution, Death crumbled apart, having no other
>"regulars" on which to start over (the guitarist who played on Symbolic did
>not tour with Death). IMHO, I would not think that Death could have
>survived Hoglan's departure.
I guess it's not easy to be in a band with Chuck. However, I don't at all
think Hoglan was essential to Death. Reinert did a beautiful job on Human.
BTW, I'd love to see DiGiorgio come back on bass. Apparently, he's started
his kinda jazz stuff going. So most probably, he wouldn't like to join
Chuck again. Pity.
>Yet, the album following Parallels, Inside Out, seems to suffer from
>the same looseness at times although it is an interesting record
>instrumentally speaking.
I love Ray's intonation on the beginning of Monument. His vocals are a bit
undermixed.
> Of the older material, Perfect Symmetry has better vocal
>melodies. And the stuff with Jon Arch I just can't get into at all. I
>find his voice to be nasal in the extreme even though he has lots of
>range.
Yeah, that guy doesn't move a lot of air. He's like a tweeter!
> Parallels might change your mind about Fates. I picked it up
>for $6 CDN in a used shop in Toronto and it's one of the best buys I
>have ever made.
At 50 bucks, that's still a BB!
> I would interpret progressive music as music that uses
>existing musical and lyrical ideologies and attempts to take them to
>the next level of evolution.
You're not taking risks there, are you?
Ben wrote:
>I've only heard Symbolic from Death...but I must say that some parts of
>..And Justice For All and Master of Puppets are very prgo
pogo? ;-)
>John Myung is a little scary looking at the beginning. I think James scares
>away more people than their pants do, though. ;-)
I don't know what would scare me most: moonface or eyebrows?
>Don't worry, Dave. You can be the bug up my ass for a long time to come. :-)
Phheeew....
>Fates Warning isn't metal. They were metal, but they aren't now.
That was quick! Could you develop this a bit more please? what is metal for
you? These days, when I say "metal", i don't refer to Judas Priest anymore.
That's too old. In fact, I'd classify prog bands into 4 categories (some
examples):
1. metal: Fates Warning, Elegy, Sanctuary
2. jazz/blues: Dream Theater
3. classical: Shadow Gallery, Angra, Conception, Mekong Delta
4. rock/pop: Rush
I hope you see better why I think FW is still metal. Tell me if I've got it
all wrong.
>That's what I say.....but people still don't like it when I walk around
>naked in public. Go figure.
It must be that hair in your left nostril.
........................................................................
D A V E K I N G
vox & bass MT-20
"holding on is easier than letting go" (fw)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:47:07 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: looks looks looks
Message-ID: <9607150951.AA00833@pepe.online.ee>
>From: kurt@fgallery.com
>
>theme of Dt's pants and hair ... i think most of you will agree that
>.you wouldnt like to see the dreamers in baggy ripped bluejeans and
>grungy shirts and airwalks (even thou i like airwalks) or with short
>blue or green hair ..it just doesnt go with their style of music ,i
who's the one to judge how the musicians should dress while they
play "take the time" and what possible changes in their clothing
should appear when they switch to "caught in a web"? you know, it
really doesn't matter what they wear or leave unworn. i sure as hell
would like to see them dress i ragged jeans and t-shirts. or pampers.
or swimsuits. or whatever. it really doesn't matter at all. for my
sake, they could even cut their hair all of a sudden, paint their
hair whatever color seems to fit the least and go for the neo-punk
look. as far as they play the music that fits the theme with me, i
couldn't really give a monkey's ass. could anyone?
then again, you said "most of you", which i definitely am not.
doesn't go with their style of music... c'mon.
maybe i suck now.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:53:02 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: smumpkins
Message-ID: <9607150955.AA01115@pepe.online.ee>
>i can only see smashing pumpkins progressive in 2 ways-
>2- they suck so bad that they cant even play in time signature.
i don't know much about their music (somebody stole my siamese dream
seedy after first two listens) but those guys can definitely play
their instruments. i read somewhere that the the corgan-dude has been
playing since early childhood and he comes from an extremely musical
background, so there you have it.
dream theater.
(just to have some dtc.)
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:39:36 -0500
From: Richard Warren <rwarren@memphisonline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <199607151239.HAA08268@ford.socomm.net>
I was watching CNN Headline News on Saturday (I lead a wild life) when they
did a small segment on Jason Becker. It was absolutely heartbreaking. The
segment started with video clips of Jason playing what appeared to be a
clinic and some concert footage. Then they switched to a segment with
Jason's parents helping him exercise. He is literally a skeleton covered
with skin. He appears to have no muscle tone whatsoever. His parents were
having to move his limbs for him. He is at the point where he can't do
anything for himself, even talk. They showed a segment on his new music
which he is recording with the aid of a computer which appears to be
controlled with his eyes (???). The story stated that both parents have
quit their jobs to help Jason and spend time with him. They are relying on
sales of his CD to pay living expenses. Pickup a copy if you can. Jason is
an example of "it can happen to you". In the span of one week he auditioned
for the David Lee Roth band (this was a little more prestigous back then),
landed the DLR gig and found out that he had ALS. Imagine being told that
you would never play your musical instrument again.
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