YTSEJAM Digest 1364
Today's Topics:
1) Various and Sundry, Part Doo
by "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
2) Jon Moury
by rbarker@epix.net
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/23/96 - 19:52:20" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) Timothy Pure!
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
5) Re: Wankers (No DTC)
by Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@compuserve.com>
6) Re: Wankers (No DTC)
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1363
by KyoZoe@aol.com
8) Re : Megadeth
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu>
9) John Myung
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
10) Some things
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
11) Correction!
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi>
12) John Myung
by Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
13) Completely Amazing!!
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
14) CD availability.
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
15) All I have to say.....
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
16) Compleyelt Amazing II
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1351
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
18) Re: Completely Amazing!!
by rquezada@shell.monmouth.com
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1363
by Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
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Date: 23 Mar 1996 14:30:32 U
From: "mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Various and Sundry, Part Doo
Message-ID: <n1384530880.67062@macsmtp>
>>>To those of you who don't like/get my humor...yep...you guessed
>>> it...you're an asshole.
> I don't like your humor, and I think you're the a$$hole.
As one of Warren's frequent and most scathing targets, cut him some slack. I
mean think about it. The poor boy has to have it tough out there in Oregon.
Lost about a year's interest on his $16 (i.e., the fan club). That interest
would of bought a beer or at least an asprin or two. It rains all the time in
Oregon (really). He's *old*. His parrot probably craps on his carpet. And, to
top it all off, I taunt the shit out of him. Kind of like pestering a bag lady
(easy target, feel guilty afterwards) but still its sooooo much fun. His blood
pressure must have 20 points allocated just to little ol' me.
But, in his favor, he has all those neat grunge groups out thar on the left
coast playing in those nice big spacious and roomy arenas and we have to suffer
along with DT playing in those damned small crowded clubs. Hehehehe......
>> To the person who said that Mountain Dew shrinks your nuts, shrink,
>> errr, I mean think again. It doesn't actually SHRINK them, but it
>> DOES lower your sperm count. That is not neccesarily a bad thing,
>> the way like is going. It's almost coming out of my ears, I can't
>> hold it in.....ahhhhhhhhh.
Hmmmm. Gives new meaning to being a Ytsejammer, eh ??
>> As many of you know all too well, things with the International Fan
>> Club in New York have not been good for quite a while now.
No shit, Sherlock. Well, Warren bitched and moaned us all into submission and
finally got his money back. My turn. Waaaaah waaaaah fucking waaaaaah. Where
is MY check for $16 ?????? And, so far, I have lost almost *three* years (count
'em) interest which definately means that I am out a few beers.
Separately, I just got my Masters in music, and here are today's
recommendations. Since I am now a musical genius, you must take me seriously.
If anyone is into the harder sounds you would do yourself a big favor and get
Iced Earth's Burnt Offerings. Great stuff. And my second personality says: If
anyone is into acoustic jazz, check out Chick Corea's Friends. A couple of
throwaway songs in there, but they can really play. Steve Gadd on drums, Eddie
Gomez on bass, Joe Farrell on reeds and Corea on keys. "Cappucino" has got to
be my all time favorite song, period. First (and only) take when they recorded
it. Amazing. And tell me who has the chops.
Mark Metzger
Still digging Superior a lot.
Am kidding about that Masters. Berklee wouldn't let me in.
Pending intoxicating mode de jour = Leoville Las Cases.
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 14:48:34 PST
From: rbarker@epix.net
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Jon Moury
Message-ID: <Chameleon.960323145145.rbarker@.epix.net>
If you get this Jon did you recieve my blank tapes I sent you
to dub some stuff for me. E-mail me at rbarker@epix.net and
let me know. Sorry to everyone else for posting this on the
jam but I did not know how else to get a hold of Jon. Thanks
Robert Barker(Ibanez)
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Name: Barker
E-mail: rbarker@epix.net
Date: 3/23/96
Time: 2:48:34 PM
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:53:04 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 03/23/96 - 19:52:20" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:21:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@AX.COM>
Subject: Timothy Pure!
Message-ID: <199603232022.MAA01746@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hey Jammers
Just wanted to mention that I recieved Timothy Pure's first album, _The Fabric
of Betrayal_ today, and it is really good. They are a five piece (standard
prog lineup) band that straddle prog and metal. They have their moments when
they sound a little like DT, but they have two things that really set them
apart: a broad range of tempos/song styles and great vocal harmonies. They
don't seem to be as technically proficient as DT (but then, who is?), but
they stay within themselves and don't make mistakes by trying to be something
they're not.
Anyway, they might be band you want to check out. Their web page is at
http://www.mindspring.com/~isosrec/timpure.html. From there you can download
tunes and find some other info.
Jam on
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"You're a sweet talking smiler, Jonathan Byrne
a bonafide beguiler. West Virginia University
A player with a strategy, a mover of the mind. rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
You're a connoisseur of conversation
A soap box serpent speaking with a forked tongue."
-Brett Kull, "The Great Men", echolyn
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Date: 23 Mar 96 17:14:15 EST
From: Gilbert Thetgyi <102346.2730@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Wankers (No DTC)
Message-ID: <960323221415_102346.2730_HHQ52-1@CompuServe.COM>
I said:
>>No! I can't stand the group of wankers known as Megadeth. I highly doubt I
>>would go (I'd wait for DT to headline), and even if I did go, I'd leave
>>as soon as DT was done and the house lights came back on. Before all
>>you 'Deth fans flame me, remember, this is my opinion.
>
>What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?!?!!? Why are all the Metal bands
>being refered to as Wankers? It sounds like some redneck term that I'd hear
>in ARKVILLE!!!!!I know this is your opinion, and this is my opinion...YOUR
>OPINION SUCKS!!!! :) Have a nice day. Thank you, drive through.
>
>Brian
Listen you imbecile, don't do what Matt did and put words in my mouth. I didn't
refer to _all_ metal bands as wankers, just Megadeth. I once referred to
Pantera as a bunch of wankers, much to RipZero's dismay. So, I stopped
referring to Pantera as wankers out of courtesy. If you had read one of my
previous messages about this matter, you would know that I like some metal
bands. Megadeth is not one of them. Any band that refers to one of my favorite
band's music (Queensryche) as "music for pussies" does not deserve my attention,
time, or even bandwith for that matter, even if it's their opinion. So, I think
your opinion of my opinion SUCKS! Now chill out and go post 47 messages in a
row.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 15:51:15 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Wankers (No DTC)
Message-ID: <199603232351.PAA00718@netcom3.netcom.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Gilbert Thetgyi said:
>I said:
>
>>>No! I can't stand the group of wankers known as Megadeth. I highly doubt I
>>>would go (I'd wait for DT to headline), and even if I did go, I'd leave
>>>as soon as DT was done and the house lights came back on. Before all
>>>you 'Deth fans flame me, remember, this is my opinion.
>>
>>What the hell is wrong with you people?!?!?!?!!? Why are all the Metal bands
>>being refered to as Wankers? It sounds like some redneck term that I'd hear
>>in ARKVILLE!!!!!I know this is your opinion, and this is my opinion...YOUR
>>OPINION SUCKS!!!! :) Have a nice day. Thank you, drive through.
>>
>>Brian
>
>Listen you imbecile, don't do what Matt did and put words in my mouth. I didn't
>refer to _all_ metal bands as wankers, just Megadeth. I once referred to
>Pantera as a bunch of wankers, much to RipZero's dismay. So, I stopped
>referring to Pantera as wankers out of courtesy. If you had read one of my
>previous messages about this matter, you would know that I like some metal
>bands. Megadeth is not one of them. Any band that refers to one of my favorite
>band's music (Queensryche) as "music for pussies" does not deserve my attention,
>time, or even bandwith for that matter, even if it's their opinion. So, I think
>your opinion of my opinion SUCKS! Now chill out and go post 47 messages in a
>row.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> G. Jack Thetgyi
>
It's WANKERS Like you two EMBECILES that take up all the bandwidth pulling
each others chains...
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 20:18:30 -0500 From: KyoZoe@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1363 Message-ID: <960323201828_254245379@emout10.mail.aol.com>
HELLO!! FROM PUERTO RICO......... IS DREAM THEATRE EVER GOING TO BE IN PUERTO RICO? WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW!!!! THEY HAVE TO COME HERE!!!!!! THIS IS A "MUST"
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 20:01:50 -0600 (CST) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@vision.d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re : Megadeth Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9603231931.A8457-0100000@vision.d.umn.edu>
After nine months off this list I have returned to find petty squabling over Megadeth. The content of the list has severely deteriorated. None the less I feel I must add my feelings on the subject.
I am some what of a Megadeth fan, but mostly a Marty Friedman fan. That is wwhy I was at one of their shows. UnfortunatelyI was quite disappointed but their performance and especailly by Marty's solo, it was definately lacking intensity and substance. However when I spoke with Dave Ellefson shortly before Christmas he said that it was one of the last shows of the tour and they were all quite worn out and did not connect well on stage. But those are only excuses...
As for DT opening for MD, I surely hope not. Dave Mustaine is a tough guy to get along with, I don't think it would be a pleasurable experience for DT or DT's fans. Savatage already knows this after getting kicked off their tour with MD.
Well, enough said.
Nate.
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:46:35 -0500 From: btomko@home.glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: John Myung Message-ID: <199603240446.XAA03270@home.glasscity.net>
I've got a question for classical guitarists who have seen DT live. In an interview with Bass Player magazine, (Jan/Feb '94) John Myung is described as "strictly a fingerstyle player". Is the term 'fingerstyle' being misused? I mean, does he pluck with his index and middle fingers, or does he do the classical guitar fingerstyle, using the thumb and first three fingers to pluck the string. I was always told that classical guitarists' plucking method was called fingerstyle. If thats how Myung plays, I want to experiment with it, because he plays damn fast. Thanks for your help. Feyd
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:30:42 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Some things Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960324041333.19268A-100000@epsilon.hut.fi>
Hmm.... Just some thing I thought of awhile ago ( like this evenin). What if DT were to release a compilation right now? What would you like to see on that. (OOps. Yes I know this a crappy thread kind of thing) , but still.... =) Here's my vote:
1. Afterlife - I just had to put it here. I know how some of you think this is poppish, but it's a hidden prog thingy here =) I just love this song. 2. The Ones Who plaah plaah plaah. - weel you find somethind more DT on WDADU you caome and telll me
That's the end of my selection of WDADU. Actually I should've put more sngs from that songs in here (espesially since I've refound it throungh WDATU), but I didn't. Sorry =)
3. Metropolis - Just had to be in there.
4. Under a Glass Moon - Oh I don't know. I just like this.
5. Learning to live - Have you ever heard a more positive song? I mean It lights the thirst of life in you again. Recommen- ded listening on your low points of life. Besides of being the most progresive song DT has ever made. Oh yes no PMU or TT. Even tho TTT has that awesome part of solo with KM and JP jamming in synch it's pretty pop. Same goes for PMU.
6. Lie - Thje heavier side of DT. 7. Scarred - Still stayed true to their genre on that LP too =) 8 space-Dye Vest - The herald of KM breaking. Kinda different from DT's material, but still rocks !
9 ACOS - Was thjere any doubt ??????
So this is just sumtin I came up with.
Oh yes and I'm drunk =P No butter bootsies, just plain vodka =)
-= Karri.Kiviluoma@hut.fi =- Email: kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi < " Hmm...uhh...lemme think...." > < - metryingtofigureoutsome > < thingwitty&funny >
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:42:21 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Correction! Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960324043826.24267A-100000@epsilon.hut.fi>
I think I put 'Lie' in my comp- just now. Shouyld've been Thee Mirror. Definitely 'The Mirror'. If I pu t The Mirror disregard this information =P
I wore my Ytsejam T'shirt this evening. It prought on the due atten- tion. I just love that shirt =)
-= Karri.Kiviluoma@hut.fi =- Email: kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi < " Hmm...uhh...lemme think...." > < - metryingtofigureoutsome > < thingwitty&funny >
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 96 23:52:28 EST From: Scott Daugherty <SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> To: Ytsejam <YTSEJAM@AX.COM> Subject: John Myung Message-ID: <960324.002308.EST.SRDAUGZ2@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
I just wanted to say a few words about the John Myung question.
I guess you could call what we classical guitarists do a "fingerstyle" technique, but I don't think of it that way. Well, that's not important, you want to know about bass players. :) What John meant was that he plays bass with his fingers, instead of with a pick (you all already know this).
You can achieve a lot of speed with your fingers, but it takes some practice. John probably uses his index and middle fingers most of the time, but he sneaks his ring finger in occasionally. As far as I know, bass players never use their thumbs, not in scale passages, that is. FYI, lute players do use their thumbs when playing scales. Specifically, they alternate between thumb and index. Classical guitarists also do it occasionally, it depends on the situation.
I'm sure a couple of bass players will reply (at least I hope they do) and we'll get their take as well. To the player who asked the question: you should experiment with a two finger style and a three finger style, i.e., alternating between i and m and i, m, and a (ring). You can't really go wrong either way, Jeff Berlin plays with two, as well as John Alderete (sp, RacerX), and Billy Sheehan uses three (I think he has even been known to use his pinky!).
See ya, Scott Daugherty
"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad." -Salvador Dali
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:57:22 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Completely Amazing!! Message-ID: <199603240557.XAA176811@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To All Ytsejammers- I just received the Birch Hill tapes from a friend (I'm borrowing them actually) and I am completely amazed. I know how awesome Dream Theater shows are (I've only been to one, actually), and this tape is completely Awesome. I'm on Lie right now, but during Take the Time, I got multiple Eargasms!! What an awesome group!! "I'll swear I'll try!!" How awesome!! "Things are getting just a little bit scary.......I can't believe what they did !!! ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am completely convinced. Progressive Rock is the best. Hands Fucking Down. Do anything you can do to get progressive rock....in your hands.....in your local record shops.....on your local commercial and college radio shows.......make this happen!!! Everyone.....DRINK.....for how blessed we are to have Dream Theater!!!!
Fucking amazing. Don't tell me you wanted me....... I swear I won't!!!!!! ____________________________________
"Only fools despise wisdom"
name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not?
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Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 00:59:16 EST From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD availability. Message-ID: <096.04266736.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
On digest1363 someone wrote that if they wanted The Majesty Demos and the Instrumentals to write to them. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've got a CD store that has all that stuff in stock close to home. If anyone wants the stuff just let me know and I'll pick it up for them at no charge over the dealers cost. Just E-mail me and I'll take care of it.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:15:15 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: All I have to say..... Message-ID: <199603240615.AAA172848@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Dream Theater playing Damage Inc. by Metallica........Completely amazing!! ____________________________________
"Only fools despise wisdom"
name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not?
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:16:29 -0600 From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan Good) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Compleyelt Amazing II Message-ID: <199603240616.AAA209621@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Heart of the Sunrise by Yes played by Dream Theater.......
Completely Amazing!!
DRINK!!!! ____________________________________
"Only fools despise wisdom"
name - Ryan T. Good e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu phone - 1-(608)-264-2268 what - Madison Student Radio who - Music Staff (Music Stapher) which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal why - why not?
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 02:35:31 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1351 Message-ID: <199603241041.KAA34640@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/14/96 7:24pm -0800
Hey guys, Just thought I would let everyone know that whoever has emailed me is on my web page and that I have 97 web pages from the people on this list.
Total link count altogether on my page:849...trust me, I counted. You name it, I got it :)
Mark
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^I throw myself into the sea, release the wave let it wash over me. ^To Face the fear I once believed..THE TEARS OF THE DRAGON FOR YOU AND FOR ME.......
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:28:22 GMT From: rquezada@shell.monmouth.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Completely Amazing!! Message-ID: <31556844.8495225@shell.monmouth.com>
On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 22:00:19 -0800, you wrote:
>To All Ytsejammers- > I just received the Birch Hill tapes from a friend (I'm borrowing >them actually) and I am completely amazed. I know how awesome Dream Theater >shows are (I've only been to one, actually), and this tape is completely >Awesome. I'm on Lie right now, but during Take the Time, I got multiple >Eargasms!! What an awesome group!!
Any one out there who can get me a audio cassette copy of this show? (preferably someone who has a tape deck that can record in Metal or High Bias w/ HX-PRO, but I'm not picky)
I went to the show, but I would like a copy. Please e-mail me if you can help. I can mail out audio cassettes, just let me know what length.
If you can't make a copy, is there a way I can borrow a copy from someone and mail in back? I'll reimburse for postage.
Thanks in advance....
rq
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: Walter S Semerenko <wss88274@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1363 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960324113001.16323B-100000@Pegasus>
On Sat, 23 Mar 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: "Ear Candy" > Message-ID: <960323003741_101352.3261_JHP75-1@CompuServe.COM> > > Just heard an advance tape of the new King's X album "Ear Candy" > > Well, it's your standard King's X stuff, with nothing too outstanding on it, > unfortunately. There are a few tracks that have that familiar sound to them, > that you at times think, that they have come off a previous release, but it is > still very enjoyable and a good listen. 'Do' check out 'The Train' and 'Picture' > for starters.
Neil, thanks for the info, but I have a few questions for you:
Where did you get a hold of this tape?
How many songs?
What albums does "Ear Candy" sound like and overall sound of the songs?
Thanks,
Walter.
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