YTSEJAM Digest 1825
Today's Topics:
1) Man Bites Possum
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
2) NDTC: Mike Bahr, please read
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1822
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) HOLY SHIZNIT!! LEMUR VOICE!!!! LEMUR VOICE!!!!!
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@cs.bu.edu>
5) Re: WORKING MAN RECALLED!!!!!!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
6) I'm on the second tune now....
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
7) DT Radio Special Review & Anecdote
by al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
8) Re: Old????
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
9) Re: YtseSpammers
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
10) Deus Ex Machina
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
by "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
13) re: YTSEJAM digest 1823
by "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
14) Visual quote
by Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
15) Re: Fates, DTonTV, Speaking of... some other progressive bands
by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
16) James LaBrie and Voice
by Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com>
17) Another sighting:
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
18) Re: YtseSpammers
by skooc@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:37:54 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Man Bites Possum
Message-ID: <199609112137.OAA04136@main.cfmc.com>
>From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
>
>hey, I just scored some killer deals on some good CDs today at, yes,
>Now Hear This (man, I like that store more and more each time I go
>there). I got King's X's Faith , Hope, Love and Rush's Counterparts
>for, get this, $1.99 on CD, and Bruce Dickinson's Skunkworks for $3.99.
>They also had multiple copies of Counterparts for that price, as well as
>Megadeth's Countown to Extinction for $1.99 on CD. They even had a
>Marillion CD (can't remember which one, but I believe it was from 1989,
>and it said printed in England on the back) for $4.99...
Yeah, it's interesting when you see those. There's always a little pang
when I pay full price for a Galactic Cowboys CD, 'cause I know I'm gonna see
it in a cutout bin for $1.99 in a couple of months. But, then again, if
anyone deserves my hard-earned money, it's those guys....they're phenomenal.
Anyhow, there are several places where I can go and get a CD for a buck or
two. I've picked up Echolyn, Fernando Saunders, The Dharma Bums, Gone, and
a bunch of others cheap there. I've seen plenty of other stuff I already
have in there, as well... Atomic Opera, Eric Gales Band, King's X -- it's
sad, really.
>>Or a Bass Player?
> Metropolis: Pt. I. It's got that friggin' thing that Myung does in the
>middle. Since I haven't tried it yet (of course, the tab I have for it
>form the JM video is for a 6-er, and I have a measly four-string, and I
>need to get my action seriously adjusted before I can pull any of that
>off), I don't really know how difficult it really is, but it just sounds
>so cool and amazing, I know a number of bassists that don't know much
>about DT would be floored.
Yeah, it's an impressive section. That whole tune, though, is pretty scary
from a bass perspective. "Scarred" has some good lines in it, too. The
most EFFECTIVE playing (though some of the easiest of Myung's) is probably
in "Learning To Live." Even wrote some fantastic lyrics...
>Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:26:07 -0400
>>3. Pearl Jam: Ten
>
>>Glad to see I'm not the only one on the jam who likes Pearl Jam. I was lucky
>enough >to get through to FT&T for tickets to the show at Randall's Island.
>Anyone else going >to a PJ show in the near future?
Yeah, it's not something a lot of folks here will admit to, but I think
they're a hell of a band. Artistically, I suppose, they're advancing. But
"Ten" was a masterpiece, the last two (three if you count the Neil Young
record) were about half awfully good tunes and half tunes that weren't too
bad. I'm holding judgement on "No Code" at the moment.
>>Guitar - Under a Glass Moon - reminds me of Steve Vai's "Passion and
>Warfare"
>>Album
>I'd pick this one too, but because of the INSANE Solo.
The INSANE solo sound a LOT like Vai to my ears. Don't get my wrong, I
thought it was the solo of the year....but I thought it sounded like Vai.
>From: Jeff Falk <jefffalk@bu.edu>
>The Beatles Let it Be (Capitol)
>Deep Purple Made in Japan (Warner Bros.)
>White Lion Mane Attraction (Atlantic)
>Rush Fly By Night (Mercury)
>Mahavisnu Orchestra Birds of Fire (Columbia)
"Mane Attraction?" I thought I was the only one in North America who had
that album! Man....that is one record that gets some TERRIBLE press. I
actually don't think it's so bad, though. Ah well, if you had hair and
played in the 80's, you've gotta be a pop metaller, right? A weird scenario
-- Rod Morgenstein in Winger?! A little incongruous -- can we make a pop
metal/fusion category?
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. Rush: Test For Echo (!)
2. Metallica: Load
3. Soundgarden: Down On The Upside
4. King's X: Ear Candy
5. The Gales Brothers: Left Hand Brand
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC: Mike Bahr, please read
Message-ID: <199609112207.SAA23929@hematite.cs.brandeis.edu>
Sorry to be posting here, but I lost Mike's new address...
Mike Bahr, please email me ASAP... I still have not recieved any of
the 3 CDs... and was wondering if/when you will be sending/sent
them...
--
+--------------------------------+--------+-------------------------+
| Driven to the margin or error | Rush | Michael Burstin |
| Driven to the edge of control | Driven | Brandeis University |
| Driven to the margin or terror |--------+-------------------------|
| Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole | Lets go Pens & Steelers |
+-----------------------------------------+-------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1822
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609111813.A8012-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
> Subject: Fates, DTonTV, Speaking of... some other progressive bands
>
> Okay, I can honestly say that Fates Warning is the best band, by far,
> that has ever been recommended to me by the 'jam. Adam was right on
Yeah, me too, and I only have one album. Shadow Gallery's second for me.
----
> From: skooc@earthlink.net
> Subject: WORKING MAN RECALLED!!!!!!
>
> Ok,
>
> I got an email from my boss (I work at a record store) who said that Working
> Man has been recalled. He did not give a reason, but I have a pretty Goddamn
Recalled? Like, they're not going to sell it anymore?? Scott, check
with your boss and get back to us on this one. Convince your boss to
forward you some e-mail. This *can't* be happening. :(
----
> From: "Matthew A. Schnoor" <schnoor@cs.pdx.edu>
> Subject: Oops, mistake. This is the real one.
>
> I'm finding it difficult to keep my YtseWeb pages updated, too. I am
> thinking of ditching the project entirely, or passing it off to some
> sucker^H^H^H^H^H^Hvolunteer who has more time to code HTML. Perhaps Mr.
> Merlo could take this over and add this to his DT page? It'd go nicely
> with the FAQ. :)
It would, but Mr. Merlo doesn't have enough time or disk space to
maintain it. :) Someone volunteer! It's a good page.
Oh, yeah, I took my Rush .au's off my ftp server, too. The album's out,
and I needed the disk space. Sorry.
Oh, one more thing. Those of you that want to buy Gabbo's Ytsejam shirts
(which look cool as hell) - he had some, er, administrative problems with
the page, so the info page for the shirts is now at
http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cs002cmm/ytsejam.htm. Buy one. They're cool. :)
D. Christian Man
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http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart
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http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@cs.bu.edu>
To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: HOLY SHIZNIT!! LEMUR VOICE!!!! LEMUR VOICE!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609111826.A3501-0100000@csa>
After grilling every Tower records employee for the past two
days, I finally found it -- somewhere else. :)
The CD is Insights by Lemur Voice.
It rocks so hard that I'm like freakin' out.
And I'm only about halfway through the first tune.
Go find it now!!!!!!!! I don't think I'm gonna leave my room for the
next couple of days. Later!
Brian
--
Brian Wherry
Boston University
Computer Engineering '98
bwherry@cs.bu.edu
http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 18:42:06 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: WORKING MAN RECALLED!!!!!!
Message-ID: <9609112242.AA02313@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
If this is true, I think I will just dub mine onto tape before sending it
back, if I send it back. I wonder if this means that I won't be able to play
it on my progrock show anymore. :)
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:38:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@bu.edu>
To: The Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: I'm on the second tune now....
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9609111851.A111632-0100000@acs4.bu.edu>
I'm having breathing difficulty. I think I have a new favorite
band. :)
Seriously, people, if you've been in a rut as far as looking for
stuff to listen to in your CD collection, this will get you out!!
Lemur Voice "Insights"
Fuckin' unreal.
Brian
ps- I'll try not to post after every song. It may be difficult, though.
--
Brian Wherry
Boston University
Computer Enigineering '98
bwherry@bu.edu
http://acs.bu.edu:8001/~bwherry/home.html
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:52:40 -0500
From: al587725@campus.cegs.itesm.mx (Marcelo Martinelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Radio Special Review & Anecdote
Message-ID: <9609112252.AA07090@campus.cegs.itesm.mx>
Hi ,
I just wanted to let everyone know that the DT Radio Special that I
did on Sunday was a success. I played what I considered to be the DT songs
that the majority of listeners could identify with. I had an open telephone
line to which many people called to ask about the band. The show consisted
of the following songs in the order in which they were played : 1.- Pull Me
Under , 2.- 6:00 , 3.- Metropolis Pt.1 , 4.- Under a Glass Moon , 5.- A
Fortune in Lies , 6&7.- The Mirror/Lie , 8.- Erotomania . Due to the fact
that I had only one hour of airplay , those were the songs that fitted the
best. In between all the songs I gave information about the band and while I
talked , portions of ACOS were used as background music. As I said earlier I
made some people aware of DT's music and also I was aware of the already
existing DT fans. The biggest shock that I got was the next day at school
when I went to my Economics class and my teacher , who knows about my work
in the radio station, said "You played Dream Theater ! , I love that band!"
I was shocked , I went shit! , my economics teacher is a DT fan , I think
they are becoming mainstream! Anyways the show was great and I hope to be
able to continue promoting DT's music and making them more popular here in
Mexico.
Marcelo Martinelli
Monterrey , Mexico
-It dawned on me one day that I should not be making sandwiches for a living-
---John Petrucci---
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 19:04:41 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Old????
Message-ID: <9609112304.AA17927@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, Dr. Donnelly:
What classes do you teach and at what school? I wish my professors were that
cool here at Monmouth University.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 19:08:55 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YtseSpammers
Message-ID: <9609112308.AA27387@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
wow, I love that reply key. And just think, people will definitely remember
my name and email address. But, unfortunately, I am not in competition for
the petty NR 1 poster title. I just have shit to say, and damnit I am going
to say it. And by the way, the reason why I send separate posts instead of
one gigantic one has been explained countless numbers of times. What do I
have to do, post a blindness FAQ to the Jam?
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 17:10:07 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Deus Ex Machina
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+DPoBma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
Zach
>Deus Ex Machina. Wtf? It's all in Italian! What
>the hell is up with that? If it were en Espanol, at least I could
>stumble through it. Italian 'jammers, anything interesting on
>there, or is it just the usual?
Turns out the lyrics are in latin!! I think it's really cool, and I think that latin is a better choice than
Italian which can be *very hard* to compose/sing in melodic rock music IMO. If I am stating the obvious
I apologize but Deus Ex Machina means "God from apparatus/machinery" and is a famous item of stage
direction from the Shakespearian era when this sentence meant that a special effect was to be used i.e. a
contraption of ropes, pulleys, etc. would deliver a person or prop onto the stage either from above or
below. It has became a metaphor for any kind of divine or fateful intervention in life in general.
IMO it could also mean, in the case of this awesome progressive metal band, that divine of suprnatural
things come synergistically from their equipment (and them)??? reference the ideas behind the lyric in
RUSH's Spirit of Radio.
P.S. Gladium caeli means "sword of the heavens" or "sword of the skies"
Enjoy DEM, I think they are great!
Kevin D.
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:21:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
Message-ID: <199609112321.TAA06647@atl1.america.net>
>as for the g//z/r album, GET IT!!! it kicks ass. i can't believe that
>a 50-something guy, geezer butler, wrote something that rocks this
>much. while it sounds nothing like ozzy, a good way to describe it
>would be early sabbath modernized.
That's what I think when I listen to my copy...especially the last track.
You know the song on there called "Give Up The Ghost" is talking about Tony
Iommi...Geezer got sick of Tony and wrote at least that song about it.
i like burton c. bell's vocals, how
>is fear factory? i heard that "demanufacture" is really good... any
>opinions?
Dude, if you like gzr, you will love FF TEN TIMES more than gzr (even though
gzr is cool). Heavy as SHIT and Demanufacture is a little more unique than
most "death/doom" stuff. Their first album Soul of a New Machine is more
raw and along the lines of straight death metal and the song Martyr on it
kicks ass to no end!
They also have a pretty cool ep out called Fear is the Mindkiller, which is
a few songs from Soul remixed into techno/industrial stuff, which is really
neat to hear.
I have also, from a reliable source, that they are now starting to work on
yet another album, hopefully it will kick ass as much as demanufacture does!
Beavis (Wes Foll)
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"What is, is.
What is not, is not.
What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:21:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Beavis (Wes Foll)" <wfoll@america.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1821
Message-ID: <199609112321.TAA06687@atl1.america.net>
>The guitar 3. vai/satc/eric...I CANT WAIT...
Got any tour dates for the G3 tour??????? I want to see that shit!!
Beavis (Wes Foll)
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"What is, is.
What is not, is not.
What is is, and is not, is is, and is not."
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 17:22:56 MDT
From: "Kevin Donnelly" <KDonnelly@vines.ColoState.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: re: YTSEJAM digest 1823
Message-ID: <vines.0,16+EboBma@vines.ColoState.EDU>
SUPERIOR US RELEASE?????
How did that title get on my first jam? Sorry if I misled anyone but that was
the title of my second jam which should show up on digest 1824. Then I saw
information was already posted by Bernd himself on the list.
God, I'm new to the list and I'm having a terrible start. But some folks liked the
conversion story thing, maybe it'll start a thread.
Where were you the first time you heard DT?
Cheers, Kevin D.
Currently playing : ILUVATAR - Iluvatar (Kinesis)
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 18:24:00 PDT
From: Randall Braun <RBraun@tlr.ameridata.com>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Visual quote
Message-ID: <32376693@mailgate.ameridata.com>
"Word-wrapping text boxes
Most people don't know that computer programmers invented word wrapping for
word processors. Word processors essentially made it easy for nonwriters to
write and call it 'literature.' Word wrapping made it easy for nontypists
to type without thinking.
As word processors became more prevalent, musicians later invented word
rapping for use in music. Rap music essentially made it easy for
nonmusicians to make noise and call it 'music.' Word rapping made it easy
for nonsingers to sing without thinking."
-most excellent quotation from a Visual BASIC reference book.
Test for Echo
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:45:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Fates, DTonTV, Speaking of... some other progressive bands
Message-ID: <0mBowP200YUg0NB0w0@andrew.cmu.edu>
actually, DxM is mostly in latin, with ethe exception of two songs,
one of which is in italian and the other is in backwards italian.
there's also a mexican deus ex machina, a techno/industrial band who's
decent but nothing compared to the *real* DxM
we'll steal your dreams ----william bajzek---- the realm of the freaks
control your minds ------------http://--------- is to solve the demise
persecute the fools ----phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu---- ravage the lifeless
left behind -------------------/~wb2a/---------------- blinded by lies
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: James LaBrie and Voice
Message-ID: <199609120007.RAA18325@wolfe.net>
I always find it interesting when this type of thread reappears. Without
wasting time addressing the obvious fact that music is intensely personal,
and for the same reason people find Dream Theater inaccessible due to James,
I find a hundred other bands inaccesible by the same standard of measure, it
also seemings glaringly obvious that Dream Theater must be currently
gratified with the music they are making, and that music features James on vox.
My prejudices are clear in any conversation about voice, I am a vocalist. I
have been training in classical voice technique for three years, and from a
purely techinical standpoint I feel confident in saying there are few
singers that thrill me like James does. Technique does not now, nor has it
ever been preclusive of emotion. Quite the contrary, when technique is
applied correctly, it heightens the emotional intensity - and this
discussion must, in my mind, never singularly be dominated by range, volume,
or the element of roughness that adds the well known screetch to the
vocalist's tone.
Yes, James will compromise a vowel here and there, and every night is not
his best. I have seen him twice, and both times he was perfect. But to
address the former ideas, vowels are sometimes opened because opening the
throat can be a voice saving strategy when a vocalist is trying to preserve
his throat in a tour environment. A biological instrument is more adversely
affected by sleep deprivation, continuous use, and the demands of a regimen
the likes of which James has set before himself. These are not excuses they
are explanations. Sure, some of the high end stuff even on the studio
albums does not leap out in perfect clarity to the discerning ear; although
I will say I did understand the lyric, "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted
year, a man must learn to cope . . ." the first time.
Anyway, the immediate problem for Dream Theater in winning new fans seems to
me to be the willingness of the listener to remain open to the music, a
chore that is remarkably difficult for most of the so-called liberally
open-minded gerneration x audience. They are wide open to new music that
sounds like all the other music from yesterday's Seattle Gunk explosion,
excuse me, Grunge explosion. I was one of those that didn't fall in love
with Dream Theater at first listen. My story with Queensryche was outright
hatred for a long time. Then at some point I decided to listen without
imposing any preconditions. Certainly, some people will never like DT, but
I suggest DT would become as acceptable musically to all the more current
mainstream listeners if those listeners approached being half as open-minded
as their music claims they are. It would probably then follow that a singer
like James, whose gift is immense, would be recognized for his musical
contributions.
Later
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:43:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Another sighting:
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960911193608.7625A-100000@scc.net>
On Tue, 10 Sep 96 11:58:58 EDT, <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) wrote:
> Well, I saved $50 by NOT buying the Tyson/Seldon "fight" and bought some new
> CD's. Cairo and Magellan were...well...horrible. I thought they might be a
> bit like Shadow Gallery (which I love), but they were both very weak.
This post defends my Anti-Cairo post better than I ever could. ;)
Every few weeks, someone else buy it and posts on how they don't like it.
Guys, you can't deny this is happening!
- Dr. Teeth
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YtseSpammers
Message-ID: <199609120039.RAA05861@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
>Since we can all predict who will be the nr. 1 and nr. 2 posters,
>I won't be sending in any more "Most Frequent Poster"-lists from
>now on... I don't want people competing over the nr. 1 stop (again).
>
>AFAIK, there are about 750 Ytsejammers... Does it seem right if only
>two guys take up half the bandwidth ? I don't think so. I'm sorry if
>I sound BItchy, but I'm neither amused nor impressed...
well, if the other 700+ that don't post wanna start lurking and start
posting we'd love to hear from them. Thanks for stopping the Most Frequent
Poster thing, it was extremely annoying.
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