YTSEJAM Digest 1887
Today's Topics:
1) BV influences/Mike's solo, The evil plague of labels (PLEASE READ!!)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
2) Impending nuptials?, Chias, LVS!!!!
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
3) Re: BV influences/Mike's solo, The evil plague of labels (PLEAS
by "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
4) Ytsecon in Peoria
by "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
5) Some stuff
by John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
6) guitar envy, echolyn lyrics, freddy's nightmare
by fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
7) Vis. moozak???
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
8) Jam
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1886
by WeBozz <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu>
10) Proposed ytsecon III special events, please read!!!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) "Definition Of Prog Rock"-page
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
by Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
13) CD Changer
by vanzin@infinity.com.br
14) wav's and au's
by John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:46:05 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: BV influences/Mike's solo, The evil plague of labels (PLEASE READ!!)
Message-ID: <324ec33a.5134004@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 15:36:56 PDT
>From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
>As for the connection between BV and La villa... I always thought that it
>went YYZ ----> Ytsejam, same concept, different interpretations. I've always
>thought it would be cool to patch Mike P's drum solo live for ytsejam into
>the YYZ (off exit stage left for example) drum solo to see if you could pass
>it by the scrutinous ears of a rush fan.
Excellent! There are some definite similarities although
Mike's solo reminds me a little more of the one Neil played during the
75-80 period during Working Man with the exception of his use of the
cymbals.
I feel a stronger link with YYZ too. The song has a much more
Eastern theme than La Villa.
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:05:37 -0300
>From: fbarbosa@solar.com.br (Frederico Mello Simoes Barbosa)
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 21:59:46 EDT
>From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
>Big deal. these bands still make good music in my mind
EXACTLY!!!! Damon has hit the nail right on the head.
Listen up people.
If you listen to it and it rocks you, angers you, makes you
weep, fills you with joy or inspires you and you keep coming back to
it, then it's good!!!
Labels have no place in music. I care about what my head and
heart tell me about the music, not what some insecure moron who has to
have his whole world neatly partitioned thinks.
My library consists of music from almost any sonic genre you
could name and I love all of it for different reasons. Dream Theater
could do an entire record in 4/4 and if I enjoyed the songs, I
wouldn't care at all. Time signature variations, a trademark of 70s
progressive, don't make for good music. There are plenty of bands that
jump all over the staff paper that may be progressive by label, but
still write music that I would never purchase. Why? It doesn't satisfy
me musically or emotionally.
Music is subjective and we'll all have our favorites and
goats. The point is not to let the corporate pinheads squelch your
willingness to explore with their constrictive labels.
Dalbello's new record, Whore, has every possible musical label
on it that I could affix. It has funk, heavy rock, alternative grit
and the introspective Promised Land kind of sound. Is it consistently
progressive?
Lyrically yes, instrumentally no. Do I care? Absolutely not.
The album is a masterpiece, quite possibly the best record I've heard
in a long time. Can I apply a general label to it? Yes. Music I enjoy.
That's my only boundary. If I like it, then that's all that matters to
me.
Labels create walls and limit the individual's tastes.
My advice is to listen to EVERYTHING you can get you hands on,
especially if you are a musician. Everything that you hear affects
your perception of the sonic environment around you and broadens the
canvas on which you live. Music is a huge part of life. To turn away
from something because of a label is to deny yourself one of the
essential components of human existence, discovery.
There is no bad music. Only music that doesn't appeal to you.
Beauty also lies in the ear of the beholder.
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:46:18 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Impending nuptials?, Chias, LVS!!!!
Message-ID: <324ecd31.7682414@mail.inforamp.net>
Good afternoon,
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:22:10 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
>> And I bet all you folks thought that cyber-flirting was a waste of time
>
>Oh, I wouldn't say that... :)
So when is the double ceremony!?
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:50:40 -0400
>From: Mike Estok <estok@teleport.com>
>HAIR!! LONG LIVE PEOPLE WITH SHORT HAIR!!!!!!
Don't worry Mike. In ten years I won't have long hair anymore
either. ;)
If you change your mind about the length of your hair, we'll
put some of that vitagrow stuff on your head and make you the first
official YtseChia. :)
>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 20:55:28 PDT
>From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
>La Villa Strangiato
Where did you get this????????
I have been looking for a replacement for YEARS and can't find
it anywhere in Canada.
I would do anything to get a CD copy of this again!
Cheers,
Rick
Toronto
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:04:45 +0000
From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: BV influences/Mike's solo, The evil plague of labels (PLEAS
Message-ID: <199609292059.OAA23783@cyberhighway.net>
My advice is to listen to EVERYTHING you can get you hands on,
> especially if you are a musician. *Everything that you hear affects
> your perception of the sonic environment around you and broadens the
> canvas on which you live.* Music is a huge part of life. To turn away
> from something because of a label is to deny yourself one of the
> essential components of human existence, discovery
Beautiful quote. Talk about hitting the nail on the head! This is
my exact theory on music. That's why I listen to everything from
Slayer to Yanni. Everything counts. Just because I don't like
things as much as the other person doesn't make me any less of a
musician. If we all liked the same kind of music, then everyone's
music would typically sound the same, and you can imagine what kind
of a boring world that would be!
> From my own point of view, I'm much happier with what I've
>written over the last 8 years than with my stuff from my first 8 years
>of playing. Like Rush, my range of life experiences has filtered my
>creative flow and made the music more mature from an ideological
>sense.
That's the way I feel. If you'll believe, I used to listen to
Nirvana all of the time, and become completely digusted when people would
offer to have me listen to Dream Theater, Queensryche, Steve Vai,
etc. I always thought bands with talent were just out to show off and
not offer their fans more than a bunch of solos and low-quality lyrics.
Then I joined a band. I realized how boring playing stuff like
Nirvana really was and how great DT-type stuff can be. It just goes
to show that musicians generally listen to DT while dope-smoking kids
really don't know what they're missin'. Flame away, I used to be
there once, too. I just grew out of it.
BTW,
Brain, I'm having trouble getting through to your samples. I
keep getting one of thoses 404 file not found errors. Also, I'm
trying to fix up that new age song I composed to send you.. I'll get
it to you as soon as I can figure out how to get my synth to do fades
(heh, heh, flame on!)
Also, on the new albums thing, don't forget
10/15? Van Halen's Greatest Hits album
10/22 Journey's Trial by Fire (Woo! Woo!)
Just my $0.03 (inflation, you know)
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
<I'm lying here in bed, swear my skin is inside out>
< Just Another Sunday Morning >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IbzRG570
ibanez@cyberhighway.net
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:20:48 PST
From: "God of Thunder" <PILLSBUR@HUMnet.UCLA.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsecon in Peoria
Message-ID: <13CFF7417B9@113hum2.humnet.ucla.edu>
Jammers-
Yes, the next (or one of the next) ytsecons should be somewhere
accessible for the rest of us unfortunate enough to be somewhere
other than the tri-state/New England area. I realize that much of
the list IS there (as is DT, who would undoubtedly have to make wierd
arrangements to be at a ytsecon in Peoria), but I wouldn't mind
driving out to, say, a ytsecon on a Mississippi River steamboat. In
fact, I motion that the next ytscon be on a steamboat, lasting two or
three days as we float down the river...
Glenn
"^Mirror"
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: John McCabe <caber1@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Some stuff
Message-ID: <199609292123.RAA29277@beasley.cris.com>
>From: kurt@fgallery.com
>Does anyone know what happened to the saturn pinball game petrucci was
>making music for??
I think JP said it was coming out near the end of the year.
Matt B. wrote:
> Reguarding Pull me Under, the band ran out of tape when they were
>recording it and just left the ending cut off. I heard that the first
>time I heard the song on the radeo.
I think they were kidding. Because someone here said that MP wanted it to
sound like some Beatles' song. Sorry I forget the name of the song. :-\
"The One Man Flame Show" wrote:
>People who have had read DT FAQ should know that KELVIN MOORE was kicked
out of DT
>because he was not interested anymore in Progressive Music. His tastes have
changed
>along the years. He became interested in Industrial and Tecno (I hate both
styles).
Well, I don't know if you really read the FAQ. Because it says that KevMo
and the rest of DT just parted ways. Nowhere does it say that he was not
into Progessive Music anymore. That's because KevMo's music _IS_
progessive! It's just not Prog-Metal. Also, Fred, uh... If you haven't
noticed that WE DON'T CARE WHAT THE HECK YOU GET OFF ON!!
(mumbleilikevisualmusicmorethanfredico,fredicoisthemindercrimerofprogessivem
usic)
HAHAHAHA!
Was that complex enough for you! :p
Sorry for out burst. :)
WOOHOO! The con is only 14 days away!! I might be able to provide a ride
for someone. I live in NJ. I think Damon needed a ride. Well this is
really for anyone. If you live near Routes 4, 17, 20, 46, 208, 287(or is it
278?), or the Turnpike I can probably give you a ride. But please don't ask
for a ride if you don't live near the exits off these routes because NJ's
road signs suck! I know that is a general statement but its true! ;-) Whoa,
I never really thought about how many routes go through my town.
John
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:34:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: fba25110@centum.utulsa.edu (bruce forst)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: guitar envy, echolyn lyrics, freddy's nightmare
Message-ID: <199609292134.OAA10932@pawn.ax.com>
>I have quite the assortment of the Awesome beasts known as Ibanez Guitars...
>
>my first one.... RG750 violet pearl
> RG770 black
> 540 sltd Jewel blue
> Universe (7 string) swirl paint
> and the on order...John Petrucci Model
> I CANT WAIT it has the coolest picasso art...lol
errrrrrrr..!!! are you just trying to make people hate you?
>Hi jammers it's me from Chile=A1=A1=A1=A1
hehe.. when I saw this I just couldn't help myself. Shouldn't that be
"Hi jammers it's me from Chile cha cha cha" Probably just some bizarre mail
fragment but funny nonetheless. When the DT content gets kinda low on this
list there's always a little humor.
for echolyn lyrics goto: (http://www.webcom.com/qghost/echolyn.html) its a
little out of date lately but all the lyrics etc.. are there. If anyone is
interested in there other albums mail me.
>Subject: frederico
>maybe somebody should unsubscribe him and ban his email address as to
>prevent him from subscribing again? being 26 years old and acting
>like a 15-years old inverted alternahead makes me feel he's been in a
>coma for more than ten years. it's definitely a case of a vegetable.
I think this calls for more drastic measures... don't we have an agent in
Brazil that can perform a nice "silent man" job on him? Whaddya say, are you
up to it Marcelo?
I think I also just about have the abbreviations thing down. But there are
still a couple that I'm not sure about..
YES
RUSH
are you sure these are DT albums I haven't been able to find them anywhere?
humor?
I think I'll go hide.
-bruce
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Vis. moozak???
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.960929173505.808D-100000@galaga.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Remember that long ass, wild version of vismoozak that Scotch posted about
ten jams ago? Well, dunno if anyone ever posted the answer or if he
revealed his hand (I'm a few behind), but I'd say that was The
Ytsejam......wait a sec, not THE ytsejam, but THIS ytsejam....that's
better.....ok, I quit.....if anyone would be kind enough to keep me posted
on any major developements in ytse-land, like new album titles, or new
Mike Bahr CDs, I would be very very grateful.....but for now, given time
limitations, I'm outta here.....been a blast and all that, see y'all again
when I start missing all ya bastards....
psm
"I'll be back"-arnold, and every two bit comedian since Terminator came
out
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:39:50 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jam
Message-ID: <324F16D6.1B6C@dreamt.org>
Well, my mail server had some problems on Wednesday, so I haven't read
any jams in 5 days, meaning 14 jams built up in my box. I don't erally
have time to read them, so if there's any important news, could somene
let me know? Anyway, hate to bring up Pearl Jam on the jam again, but
they were GREAT last night. The whole show was divided almost evenly
throughout the 4 eras (5 from Ten, 7 from Vs, 6 from Vitalogy, 6 from No
Code). Eddie sounded INCREDIBLE, just some asshole in the VIP area in
fromt of me stood on a platfrom for the whole show and blocked my whole
view of what little I could see of the stage. The opening act, Ben Harper
was real good. It was like a jam-band type of thing. With bands like DMB
and Blues Traveler making it, these guys may be the next big thing.
Speaking of Blues Traveler, John Popper came out and did a harmonica solo
durong Even Flow(!?), which was an extra treat. Only problem was I got
rained on for 2 hours and transportation got all fucked up and I didn't
wind up getting back to Valley Stream until 3 am from a show that ended
at 10 pm. Oh well.
later--------------Brian (aka irc-less in ODDVILLE)
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: WeBozz <jdunn@toto.csustan.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1886
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960929145126.7440A-100000@toto.csustan.edu>
This is to re[ly to Kurt....most of DT's songs do have a lot of "odd"
time signautures....it is really cool the way that they make them sound
normal....like erotomania....the main riff is in 5/4....not 4/4...there
are also some sections in 7/8...it is really listener friendly
though....some songs that stick out as almost entirely 4/4 are PMU,
and....maybe lie....I don't know....whatever it just sounds good...I
don't think one of definitions of prog is nessasarily the use of odd
meters...prog means progressive...the artists are doing thing people
really aren't doing in the mainstream...that's all...people called 80's
rush prog...they just had longer songs...is really wasn't that
complicated...longer forms and ideas....
Joey
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 17:57:39 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Proposed ytsecon III special events, please read!!!
Message-ID: <9609292157.AA01840@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, guys. Since the con is coming up, I am going to propose some fun
events for us ytsejammers. Now, it is rumored that the band will be there,
but these are extra ciricular activities that we may even be able to get the
band involved in.
First, and most importantly, let's get all the names straight. Most of us
only know each other by aliases or irc nicknames. I guess there will be
nametages, but how will this help me? So, we should all go around the room
and say who we are. This will also give the opportunity for enemies to note
who they are so that they can settle internet squabbles the old fashioned
way. Outside.
Secondly, let's have a round of ask the band dumb questions. Yes,
everything we all have posted to the jam 1800 times or more, let's ask the
band. This way, we won't be seeing these questions again.
Third, let's all badger Derek about how he isn't as good as Kevin More.
Now, bear in mind that I don't agree with this at all, but since the debate
is on, let's invite Kevin and have the two of them duke it out on a Casio
keyboard with minikeys, all right? Should make for an interesting event. The
winner gets our undying love and gets to stay in dT. Yeah.
Fourth, let's play all our prog rock CDs in order of release. And while
we're at it, we can also trade WAV files in person. Skadz can bring his
computer and sound system and we can all hear the wavs in person. Also, bring
your band's demo cassette or CD. Anybody with a band we've never heard of can
bring their CD. Let's have on ebig listening party.
Promote your web site. Yes, we can all promote our web pages as well, by
writing them down on our name tags. Wait. This goes back to no. 1, doesn't
it? Anybody know braille? I can read your nametag with my fingers. This would
probably not do well with the women, but hey, you gotta deal, you know?
Finally, the main event. if you're not drinking, you might take fond of
this last event which should bring down the house. Let's get Frederico and
Mindcrimer to come to the con, and play beat the pinyata with them. This
would be a great stress reliever for most of us jammers. I'll bring the
stuffed wiffle ball bat, or do we want to use regulation major league bats?
And if so, wood or metal bats? Better yet, I'll have my cane with me, we can
use that. Whe winer gets the satisfaction of beating up two assholes. How do
we know when you've won? Well, I think we should just let Skadz decide that.
Or maybe Itchy, since he's so fond of Frederico, by the number of posts he's
sent lovingly to him. Any more ytsecon III events? post them here. Hey, it
beats reading the ytseflame digest, doesn't it?
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:49:30 +-100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'The Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Definition Of Prog Rock"-page
Message-ID: <01BBAE61.CEE81E80@Scotty.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Part of my last anti-Frederico post got a bit Phuqed up...
I know *why*, but I'm not telling :-) Here's that part again :
> Well, the term "Progressive" makes me feel really good !
> If music is not Progressive, then it's rubish.
You are fucking rubbish. If the term "Progressive" makes you feel
*that* good, why don't you just jerk off while listening to
"Tales From Topographic Oceans" and leave us the hell alone !!!
Oh yeah :
> Maybe I'm not a DT fan or not a RUSH fan either.
Your *neither* ! You're just another 'mindcrimer' ! FUCK YOU !
~~~~
Make that "You're" :-)
I feel kinda bad for flaming *this* hard. Usually I'm not like that
at all, but this dude just totally pissed me off. It *was* exciting
seeing all the others flame him too, though. And posting that last
flame gave me a *NEW* RUSH !!!
Anyway, my "Definition Of Prog Rock"-page is up, including the first
draft of Itchy's "What is Prog Rock"-form. I invite you all to put in
your 2 cents (I'm saving for a new PC) by putting *your* definition of
Prog-Rock in my Prog-Rock (Guest)Book. Let's settle this thing once
and for all ! ;-)
Oh yeah, there will be a NEW "Most Frequent Poster List" too, in a few
days :-) If you have any suggestions on how to make the MFP-list
better, let me know... There is still time for your homepage to make this
month's list, btw :-) Just mention the URL in your next message :-)
Mark, Keeper of the Flame >:]
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
All of us get lost in the darkness _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
Dreamers learn to steer by the stars (`)(_```_)/``_)(`)_(`)(`)_(`)
All of us do time in the gutter (NEW) RUSH | | ) ( ( (_ | _ | \_ /
Dreamers turn to look at the cars THE PASS (_) (_) \___)(_) (_) (__/
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
Maintainer of the Official Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster List"
http://www.globalxs.nl/home/b/bredius/
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:11:40 -0700
From: Brian <DreamNDay@dreamt.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1875
Message-ID: <324F1E4C.5A49@dreamt.org>
doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo
Its probably been answered a million times by now, but its gotta be
surrounded
later--------------Brian (aka irc-less in ODDVILLE)
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:37:38 +0300
From: vanzin@infinity.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD Changer
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.9.29.-13.37.38.3163793292.118359@infinity.com.br>
Hey Ibanez! (not Rob, the other :P )
YT>From: "IbnzRG570" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
YT>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1881
YT> Is this what's in your CD changer right now? Here's mine (a bit
YT>unorthodox for the list, but it's what I sleep to)
Not in a CD Changer, 'cause I have a single-tray player (that's
starting to suck, as though I have more than 50 albuns at the time).
But that's what I'm listening :)
YT> 2. Marty Friedman - Introduction
YT> 6. Eric Johnson - Venus Isle (Thanks for the reccomendations!)
I have to check some time those Marty Friedman's albuns, and those
Cacophony too (I heard "Speed Metal Symphony" kicks ass).
One question: what style does Eric Johnson play? Sorry, I've never
heard anything from him.
YT>It will be packed with DT CDs as soon as my Precious Things, When
YT>Dream and Today Unite, and Subconscious CDs come in!
What's on this "When Dream and Today Unite"? If it's cool, I'll
look for it around here.
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sao Paulo - Brazil
vanzin@geocities.com vanzin@infinity.com.br
vanzin@dreamt.org
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/index.html
Always in the #ytsejam!
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:51:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: wav's and au's
Message-ID: <199609292251.RAA06267@psa.pencom.com>
What's this? Geek talk? :D
Mason Pokladnik writes:
? what kind of U*IX derivative are you on. I know there are some VERY beta
> wav players of Linux and definitly for NExT however I don't know about
> Solaris or any of those
>
Actually, there is a converter. You just get it, untar it and compile. It
is called sox. You can grab sox-7.tar.gz from
http://cclub.tutcc.tut.ac.jp:1080/~go/tokimeki2.html
The page is in Japanese but you can d/l the tar file. Instructions should
be in English....
Geek of the week,
Johnny Motown
(and STILL a member of the YJLHB!)
______________
John Mastin, Jr. johnny@pencom.com
Pencom Systems Adminitration
"The best way to live life is to REALIZE that you're living it."
-Mike Bahr
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