YTSEJAM Digest 3370
Today's Topics:
1) Atlanta FW show setlist
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
2) Re: MTV
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
3) setlist monotony conspiracy
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
4) Re: Boston Show Stuff.
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
5) SAVATAGE
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
6) Rectal surgery/Yes: seeing is believing
by The Cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net>
7) Vanden Plas
by "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
8) Fatezzzzz
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
9) Marv Albert's favorite band
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
10) Working Man/Portnoy
by Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
11) Re: Working Man/Portnoy
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
12) Dead Winter Dead, Canadians ;), Pat Metheny (lotsa DTC...uh
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
13) Prog rock
by "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
14) Re: LaBrie
by Joakim Blomberg <joakim.blomberg.elev@skola.alingsas.se>
15) Dream Theater...... on radio....... in AUSTRALIA!!
by Scott Fuller <spacedye@rocketmail.com>
16) Petrucci using tab vs. using staff notation
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
17) The Silent Man & Portnoy
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:38:20 -0500
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Atlanta FW show setlist
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971215213820.006a69f4@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
I wrote:
>>From what I recall, the setlist went something like this:
>>1) APSOG
>>encore 1:
>>1) At Fates Hands
>>2) Point of View
>>3) a song I didn't recognize, sorry, but with VICIOUS time changes
>>encore 2:
>>1) The Eleventh Hour
>>run directly into 2) Point of View
and Charlie corrected me with:
>Actually, the last song was Monument. It was killer, although it would
>have been nice to hear the second guitar, instead of the keys subbing for
>the now Fate-less Frank Aresti.
ARGH. That's what comes of not proofreading your post after you've made
changes. I originally had it as "Encore 1 -- At Fates Hands/Monument/other
song" and "Encore 2 -- "The Eleventh Hour/Point of View." Then I remembered
that Monument was last, and changed the first one to read "At Fates
Hands/Point of View." I then forgot to change the other one back to
"Monument." Idiot. :)
But Charlie's right. It kicked, even without the second guitar. Does
anybody know how Fates is doing trying to find a second guitarist? Or have
they given up on it for the time being?
Happy holidays,
Phil
=========================================================
Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Mormon Tabernacle Choir -- "This is Christmas"
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 21:32:34 +0000
From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@Walden.MO.NET>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: MTV
Message-ID: <199712160343.VAA20245@Walden.MO.NET>
> Please don't consider this a defense of MTV. The reason they dropped they
> all-video format - ratings. How can this be? Good question. The way
> ratings are computed, they consider time spent watching. MTV's video format
> had a *very* low rating in this important area, because channel surfers just
> "flip" when a video they don't like comes on. This would keep many
> advertisers from investing in MTV. So, they added game shows, etc., to try
> and hold people longer. And numbers-wise, it works. Of course, it's
> terrible for music, but then MTV had long since lost any credibility anyway :)
I can definitely see how that would be reason to alter the format
somewhat, but at least they could've made the non-video programming
somewhat music-related, y'know, like documentaries, live
performances, etc. At least then they could still honestly call
themselves music television.
Dale R. Newberry
"Evil Villains, stand down from the funk."
- Space Ghost
"The collective archetype is gettin' down."
-Jim Morrison
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:55:34 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: setlist monotony conspiracy
Message-ID: <l03130301b0bb9d795ba8@bootp-231-167.bootp.virginia.edu>
Random thought.
Maybe the reason DT doesn't very their setlists is to purposely fuck up
bootleggers. Who's going to buy a bunch of bootleg CDs if every show
sounds the same?
S.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:29:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Boston Show Stuff.
Message-ID: <199712160429.XAA06700@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Andrew Rittner <adr93001@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
> Subject: Boston Show Stuff.
> than ever before. The only downside was that right as he was about to
> start the Ytsejam solo, some girl levitated out of the crowd, and
> floated in front of him for the duration of said solo, thus blocking
> my only line of site. (The other was blocked by Thor the
> Leather-Clad Death-Maker, who moved in front of me earlier in the
> show) But MP threw a stick into the crowd, almost as if he knew, and
> in the ensuing battle, the girl kind of floated off the side, out of
> my way. Apparently I am not yet worthy to witness the Ytsejam solo,
> since every time I try, someone seems to float out in front of me. I
> think God is just protecting my eyes from bursting.
>
that would be the annoying b**ch that came up, and tried to pick a
fight with the 3 or 4 of us Ytsejammers in the front row, and her even
more annoying boyfriend. I think everyone in the front of the place
was ready to kill these 2, but the damn club did nothing, there was a
guard right there watching this occur... I think the girl actually
punched some other girl in the face during the show.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:48:43 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SAVATAGE
Message-ID: <3496082B.3BED1BA4@ameritech.net>
However, I think the lead
> singer's voice is a little too gravelly for my taste. Especially, in
> the title track, he sounds a little too much like James Hetfield. Any
> differing opinions?
I actually think Savatage's singer sounds just like the guy from Skid
Row (Sebastian Bach? or something), at least on the Edge of Thorns CD.
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:47:18 -0800 (PST)
From: The Cute Hanson <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rectal surgery/Yes: seeing is believing
Message-ID: <199712160447.UAA24470@iceland.it.earthlink.net>
>>>Why do you think they don't play WDADU songs in concert anymore
>>>(except for Ytsejam)? It's because James is such a fucking baby
>>>he can't handle singing songs from another singer.
>
>>I guess that's why he's singing "To Live Forever" and
>>"A Fortune In Lies" on my LiT video, huh? :)
/me pulls person's head out of his butt! ;-)
To Live Forever doesn't count because it was never released during
the Charlie years. If it was then we'd have to include Metropolis
because that's an Charlie era song that DT had done with him on
their 1989 tour. AND, that video is three fucking tours old! ;-)
Since that tour they've toured for Awake, a mini tour for ACoS and
are touring for FII. I don't remember who originally said it, but a
member of DT in an interview said that they would not be doing any
songs from WDADU live because they felt it wasn't fair to James. If
they are still doing Another Hand live in Europe then maybe they just
meant in the USA, who knows.
>Once I heard a song that sounded like an 80s synthpop song, and the
>DJ said it was Rush. I don't think I heard the song title. Could
>you give me some direction as to what album this was?
It was probably any song Rush released from 1982-87, just pick
one! ;-)
Hearing Yes before seeing them live:
Not necessary at all. See, the music is to my ears much more
involved than DT, and the lyrics suck. But, as Stuart Smalley
would say, "that's....OK" because lyrics for Yes are just there
to accompany the music, not be coherent. ;-) Plus they just plain
old kick ass live. This is a band that's been around for 30 years
and continue to amaze me. Jon Anderson sounds exactly the same as
he did 30 years ago and Steve and Chris (ALL hail the master of the
Bass!) haven't lost a step. Even though Bill Bruford and Rick
Wakeman aren't in the band at this time, their replacements are
no sloutches. Alan White is a great drummer and I was impressed
with Igor's (is that ee-gore or eye-gore? ;-) ) playing also.
Scott
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:03:37 PST
From: "Ville Rassi" <vilzu@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vanden Plas
Message-ID: <19971216060337.15230.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey.
How many of you think that these guys kick ass?I do!Get the rainmaker
song from Dr Mosh´s page.It totally rips!I hope they´re still opening
for DT when they hit Finland next year.
-Vilzu-
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:04:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fatezzzzz
Message-ID: <199712160604.AA07336@crl.crl.com>
> From: "Charlie Korch"<ckorch@raleigh.ibm.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
>
> >From what I recall, the setlist went something like this:
> >1) APSOG
> >encore 1:
> >1) At Fates Hands
> >2) Point of View
> >3) a song I didn't recognize, sorry, but with VICIOUS time changes
>
> I think the name of that song is "The Ivory Gate Of Dreams" or something
> like that.
Yep. They played a part of it, and if you caught Ray's comment he
said "this is something we'll play for special people...." and then
he added kinda quietly and jokingly "--and because we're off
tomorrow." :)
> >encore 2:
> >1) The Eleventh Hour
> >run directly into 2) Point of View
>
> Actually, the last song was Monument. It was killer, although it would
> have been nice to hear the second guitar, instead of the keys subbing for
> the now Fate-less Frank Aresti.
Yup, "Monument." Fates has been played precisely once here in the
last (who knows?) ... six months, and "Monument" was the song we
played. I'll continue to bring some FW CDs with me down to WREK on
Fridays and spin 'em every once in a while.
> > while Zonder, madman that he is, made it look like
> >having four feet and eight arms was nothing unusual.<
>
> Zonder was the highlight for me. His playing has never ceased to amaze me.
> After the show someone asked Mark "how did you get so good, and how do I
> get that good". Zonder replied a simple "lots of practice".
It was fun seeing a drummer make good use of electronic pads and
triggers -- not something you see much of nowadays.
> > And finally, Ray Alder -- those of
> >you who think the vocals on FW's albums are all done with effects, smoke
> >and mirrors -- you can just forget that. Ray has one of the strongest
> >voices I've heard in concert. <
>
> I agree 100%. Ray's voice was fantastic, and to top it off he was very
> modest. After the show, I asked him how he sings like that night after
> night, and he said "oh, not every night"......."Thank you".
Yep. He was referring to the fact that they were off the next day, so
he could "stretch" his voice a bit during the show. (I was right
there next to ya when you asked him, and I'm sure that was his
meaning.)
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:24:20 -0500
From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Marv Albert's favorite band
Message-ID: <199712160616.WAA25796@odin.ax.com>
>Now many people think that this 70s progressive rock craze started with
>Rush. That may be true to an extent, but you actually should go back in
>time about 3-4 years with Yes and Emerson Lake and Palmer. These bands
were
>playing 20-minute epics a few years before 2112 or Hemispheres. Take
"Tales
>from Topographic Oceans" for instance -- a brilliant masterpiece with one
>long theme on each of four sides. Once Yes acquired Steve Howe for "The
Yes
>Album" after the departure of Peter Banks, the band totally expanded the
>boundaries and possibilities of their compositions. Note that I say
>"compositions" and not "songs" here. Yes and ELP were WAY ahead of their
>time in 1972. I cannot conceivably see how they performed their music
with
>such intense, rigorous precision and make it sound so beautiful!
If you want to talk about the beginings of prog rock, you should start with
bands like King Crimson and The Nice, which both had members that would
become ELP. You could throw Pink Floyd in there, but they were more
psycedelic than progressive in the beginning.
>Brahms" from Fragile). It's too bad he's left Yes for a "now third time"
>and "for good" :( after 1996. And who can forget the soulful, spiritual
I wouldn't ever say "for good" with Yes. I didn't think most of the
"classic" Yes members would ever get back together. The guy they did bring
on the tour, Igor Khorshev (sp), was somewhat impressive when I saw them a
couple of months ago. I'm looking forward to them doing a full album with
him.
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Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music
"The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises
shatter the illusion of integrity."
longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:20:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Booth <hellion@shell.busprod.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man/Portnoy
Message-ID: <199712160620.AAA18313@shell.busprod.com>
On the IRC interview with Mike Portnoy he says that he was "disappointed
by Neil Peart's reaction to Working Man"--the Rush tribute.
I have a couple questions regarding this:
1) What tracks did MP play drums on?
2) What was Peart's reaction to the tribute album?
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:56:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Working Man/Portnoy
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.971216004829.17121A-100000@short-eared.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Rick Booth wrote:
> On the IRC interview with Mike Portnoy he says that he was "disappointed
> by Neil Peart's reaction to Working Man"--the Rush tribute.
>
> I have a couple questions regarding this:
>
> 1) What tracks did MP play drums on?
Actually, he played drums on about half the CD. The exact tracks are:
Working Man, By-Tor and the Snow Dog, Analog Kid, The Trees, La Villa
Strangiato, and Jacob's Ladder.
> 2) What was Peart's reaction to the tribute album?
I don't know the exact details, but he wasn't happy with it. I think he's
been quoted as saying it was just a bunch of bar bands trying to cash in
on Rush's name.
Mark McEuen
mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:04:21 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dead Winter Dead, Canadians ;), Pat Metheny (lotsa DTC...uh
Message-ID: <19971216070422.498.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I just recently got DWD, and I think that musically, it is wonderful!
>I particularly like "This Isn't What We Meant," "One Child,"
>"Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24," and "Not What You See." However, I
>think the lead singer's voice is a little too gravelly for my taste. >
Especially, in the title track, he sounds a little too much like >James
Hetfield. Any differing opinions?
I have DWD....I barely was able to get through it. Great storyline,
passable lyrics, horrible music. I mean, every song was verse-chorus
stuff, without any surprises. I could tell what was coming every time,
with no exceptions. I'm going to sell it off...sorry if you're a
Savatage fan but I don't know whether Calling All Stations or DWD was
the worst album I bought this year.
>I encourage all to watch Much Music (Canadian MTV). They play good
>stuff. Of course, Rush gets adequate airplay. Thank god.
Heh heh. This comes as no surprise.
>"..." -- Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy - The Silent Man
Heh heh. Doesn't MP play a tamourine or something?
Some of the more adventurous Jammers may want to check out Pat
Metheny...I just got "Imaginary Day" today, and I'm listening to it
right now. Very interesting stuff. Definitely not in the rock world,
definitely jazzy, but with nearly every instrument you can think of, and
a whole lot more that you've never heard of. I'm not even halfway
through it but I like it a lot. This is really unusual stuff...some of
the chord changes have this elevator music sound, but I think that's
just cuz of the clean jazz guitar. Some of it sounds a bit proggy to me,
at first listen....Anybody know anything else about him? He's got a
whole slew of other releases out....
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:25:52 PST
From: "Neal Brown" <nealus@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Prog rock
Message-ID: <19971216072552.6553.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
>To: "Yes Jam?!?" <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Re: Yes
The Moody Blues were the first real prog band, although they're not
really very progressive....they just thought they were artsy cuz they
had an orchestra play on their album ;) King Crimson was the first
important prog band though....In The Court came out in '69....ELP,
Genesis, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, and Yes became prog bands in the next
two years, and Kansas and Rush didn't release an album til 74...Zappa
and the Mothers put out their first album in 65 I think but I'm not too
familiar with Zappa (his albums are too damn expensive to buy new and I
can never find em used)...
Btw...that Pat Metheny album I mentioned...heh heh. It's not jazz. Some
of it is. Some of it's prog rock. Some of it's classical music sorta.
Some of it's other stuff I dunno how to classify. This stuff is out
there. Once again, anybody know anything about this guy?
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 08:28:37 +0100 (CET)
From: Joakim Blomberg <joakim.blomberg.elev@skola.alingsas.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: LaBrie
Message-ID: <199712160728.IAA18221@skola.alingsas.se>
Haven't you heard "Live at the Marquee"?
He sings both "Fortune in Lies" and "The Killing Hand" so don't talk about
something you don't know anything about!!!
Jocke
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 23:27:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Fuller <spacedye@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theater...... on radio....... in AUSTRALIA!!
Message-ID: <19971216072740.10971.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Yes my friends, strange but true.
One of my friends (DT fan) confirmed that "New Millennium" was played
during Triple J's Three Hours of Power.
So all you Australian jammers, get on the phone to your local Triple J
Radio station, and get the requests rolling!
You can also go here http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/requests/default.htm
but I don't know if it's active until next year.
Anyway, now that they've played them once, getting them played again
should be easy (well, easier). They might even know who we're talking
about now! ;)
Scott
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:03:03 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Petrucci using tab vs. using staff notation
Message-ID: <349643C7.5A4F@goodnet.com>
Tablature is so simple, I'm sure Petrucci can use it, but he might as
well use standard notation (stno) because tab is useless without the
accompanying stno. Why? Note values. Sure, you blang out a power
chord... but as a halfnote? whole note? how many rests before that riff
begins? etc. Tab is great as a learning tool but I don't think stno will
ever go away, especially because of how much you can do with it. Sure,
you can wing it on tab alone, guessing the note values as you play your
fave new song, but for guitar solos, complex runs, and most stuff by
Dream Theater, the note values are fairly crucial.
Thanks to everyone for helping with the e-mail crisis!! :) I am down to
a mere 60 mails left in the inbox, and the most ancient is only from
last Tuesday. Many of you are noticing I have replied to you recently.
I'll catch up yet!! :)
--
- Mike Bahr / Prism Records
- durnik @ goodnet . com
- http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 10:20:21 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Silent Man & Portnoy
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971216101641.13978A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Neal Brown wrote:
> >"..." -- Derek Sherinian, Mike Portnoy - The Silent Man
>
> Heh heh. Doesn't MP play a tamourine or something?
Yeah, but on the live acoustic version, not on the album version,
if I'm not mistaken. On the album version, he plays those little things
whose name I don't know, but that sound like small bells. If you want to
contribute to the 'jam, please do so. :-)
BUT, as I said earlier, are there keyboards on "The Silent Man"
(album) or am I on crack? I mean, about 2:00 - 2:15 (these aren't the
exact times).
[]s, Roger...
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