YTSEJAM Digest 2259
Today's Topics:
1) NDTC - Sepultura
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
2) Paul Northfield
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
3) NDTC - David Prater
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
4) Where the hell I have been...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) rasmussen
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
7) Derek's Stuff Before DT
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
8) Labrie rumors
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
9) Attention Ytse Lunchgoers
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
10) re: Roy Thomas Baker
by Expeeler@aol.com
11) Tate's range
by Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
12) JP instructional tape, Ibanez site up to date! :)
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
13) Re: TON
by SlaveBlaze@aol.com
14) Re: Fellow Long Islander
by Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
15) Superior/Angra
by IdleMinds@aol.com
16) Darkest of Winters
by IdleMinds@aol.com
17) most overrated, huh?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
18) Shadow Gallery/Magna Carta
by IdleMinds@aol.com
19) Offensive lyrics - I need your help! (NDTC)
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
20) Re: Tate's range
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:53:07 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC - Sepultura
Message-ID: <32FEB7C3.5572@connexus.apana.org.au>
Excuse me as I'm about 10 posts behind in case the topic has been
covered. Max Cavalera has quit Sepultura.
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:38:08 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Paul Northfield
Message-ID: <32FED060.5E0E@connexus.apana.org.au>
Anyone remember a band from the late 80's called Vain ?
I was just listening to them and noticed the record
was produced (and engineered + mixed)by Paul..
Funny..DT is something WAY different than these
guys..any comments about the sounds on the Vain record ?
Strange, but I always thought these guys sounded somehow
different than the usual glam bands on record..
Davy Vain worked as PN's engineer. I think they did a Death Angel album
together.
Vain were an excellent band in their genre. Pity about the label....
Eddy
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:52:05 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NDTC - David Prater
Message-ID: <32FED3A5.5162@connexus.apana.org.au>
> Anyone remember a band from the late 80's called Vain ?
Of course.
> I was just listening to them and noticed the record
> was produced (and engineered + mixed)by Paul..
> Funny..DT is something WAY different than these
> guys..
Well, David Prater (I&W & ACOS) also did the most recent Night Ranger
album,the one without Jack Blades (although now he's rejoined them). So
DT doesn't have to stick with prog producers.It's not a bad album either.
And yes, the drums are triggered on it.
-----
Prater also produced Glen Burtnick's two 80's solo albums before GB
joined Styx for one album.
And Mr Prater is a drummer too.
Eddy
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:29:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Where the hell I have been...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970209080515.14742D-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
Actually, I've been right here, just not up to date on the jams. I took a
weeks vacation way back in December to head up to Michigan to visit my
girlfriend and fellow DT fan, and in the time I was up there, I didn't
read a jam. Then I came home from vacation, and I had thirty of them
sitting in my mailbox. I didn't have the time nor the inclination to sit
down and read them all, so I let it go... and go... and go... and at
present I am wading my way through about 200 or so 'jams. I would like to
take this oppertunity to thank everyone who is posting crap, my endevor is
a lot easier seeing as I can skip 90% of the digests. :)
Anyway, A lot is going on around here, not the least of which is my moving
into a new room (finally got my single.. apparently my 1:1 ratio of
roomates to semesters in school finally equated to something of a clue in
the eyes of Res Life). The new address is on the tshirt updates, but
anything sent to my old address should get to me anyway.
About the tshirts, yes, there are still shirts remaining, and yes you can
still order them. I'm not sure of the numbers now, but I believe it's
along the lines of 1 M, a dozen L, several dozen XL, and that's it.
Prices are $16 in person (not $11 as some people seem to believe), and $20
mail order. Mail orders started back up two weeks ago, and another
shipment goes out this Wed.
Shirt updates are kind of slow at this point, but I will get a new one out
as time permits. For now, just use the page as a guide:
http://www.cclabs.missouri.edu/~c675311/ytsejam/
Follow the link there to all the juicy commercial crap Mizzou won't let me
keep on my site.
For any members of the band who may be directly or indirectly reading
this, I understand a few of you have expressed an interest in the shirts,
and it has been my intention from the beginning to give you all one.
Unfortunately as I have already made four trips this year, I don't think
going to NY to give them to you is possible. You'll get them the next
time your tour takes you throught Missouri. So if you're as anxious to
get one of the shirts as I am to get a new DT CD, maybe we can strike a
deal. :)
My web page will be undergoing some radical (meaning drastic, not
necessarily impressive) changes in the near future, including the
restructuring of my DT page. One notable addition will be better than a
dozen RealAudio files of DT stuff for would be fans as well as a few cool
bootleg excerpts. No, I will *not* be including anything from the Fix
shows. The music is damn cool, but it would not be fair to the band to
include it. I'll let you know when that's finished.
One final note, if anyone has sent me payment for an order in the last
month and *not* received a note from me or a shirt, please email me and
let me know so we can get any problems squared away.
Thank you to the both of you who read this post. I'm sorry I wasted your
time. :)
=20
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 16:32:37 +0200
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rasmussen
Message-ID: <199702091431.QAA03144@pepe.online.ee>
> metallica) anyway..the guy who prodcued ajfa.. ive always imagined how
> mike would sound with lar's drum sounds.which i always love cuz you
Hmm... Why have I always thought that "...And Justice For All" sounds
like shit, especially the drums?
R.
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 08:16:47 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2256
Message-ID: <199702091527.IAA14683@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> >know he had put you (Chris) on the defensive and that a general name
> >calling match got thrown in the works.
> NO. I will accept NO blame for the name calling match. I was
> perfectly civil in my post. He went off.
To be perfectly honest, I don't know who hurled the first dick.
Actually, I don't think it was either of you who started the first
dick throwing thing. I'm just saying that when the name-calling
begins, the thread should be snipped. I know your that kind of guy
Chris and that you try and settle things in private mail. As Skadz
has said before, private mail is a wonderful thing. You can solve
your problems much better this way without having to try and publicly
humiliate each other on here. I commend Chris for trying to settle
out of the Ytsejam and close this case.
> > What the hell is wring with
> >letting people state their opinions and get the hell on with your
> >lives? Nobody cares what anyone else thinks.
> If I didn't care what he thought, I wouldn't have responded. I
> didn't tell him to give up his opinion. I stated my reasoned disagreement.
> "What the hell is wrong" with me stating my opinion and getting the hell on
I shoulda posted what this was originally meant for. I posted
something about some guy auctioning his used Dance of Eternity CD for
more than I bought mine for originally just a few weeks ago new. It
was mainly to let people know that it was still out there. I was
completely (and most sufficiently) flamed for stating my own opinion
on this matter. If being called a fucking asshole on this jam and
many more harsh things stems from stating your own opinion, then I"m
going to just have to be an objective poster. Notice I didn't flame
him back or anything. We don't need that crap here. I could've and
it could've gotten messy, but I refuse to pollute the jam with things
like that.
Nuff said (setting down the gavel)
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 10:16:25 -0500
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek's Stuff Before DT
Message-ID: <19970209151623468.AAA407@mail.fxn.com>
Just picked up Brad Gillis' _Gilrock Ranch_ and to my delight, I find that 6
of the 10 songs on it were co-written by Derek Sherinian and he plays on 8
of the 10 tracks! It is primarily a guitar album (it's on the Guitar
Recordings label) so there isn't an overabundance of keyboards, but there's
still an overabundance of cool guitar work. :) Just a few highlights:
Track 3, "Opus Winfrus" - Cool neoclassical section. Probably the most
keyboards you'll hear, besides the ambient string and organ parts, on the
album. :(
Track 5, "Slow Blow" - Derek plays the main theme of this song during part
of his keyboard solo on the Japan PPV video.
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
--e l l i o t t @ f x n . c o m ----- E - M a n @ d r e a m t . o r g--
--h t t p : / / w w w . f x n . c o m / u s e r s / e / e l l i o t t--
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 11:37:21 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Labrie rumors
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970209113651.00685764@ici.net>
>I hope that puts everyone's mind at ease regarding yet another ridiculous
>rumor. Hey, everyone, next time you hear another dumb rumor like that,
>remember - the Jam has the capacity to find out the truth. Question
>anything that seems unlikely, and together we can get to the bottom of
>most of this crap.
When you think about it, we on the list are really the front line. Unless
the rumor ORIGINATED here, I believe you can pretty much write it off as
untrue. Think about it - when was the last time you found out a DT factoid
somewhere BEFORE you heard it on here...the last time it happened to me was
before I joined the list. :)
-----
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________
E-mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
IRC: DDictator
NP: Tool - "Aenima"
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 12:18:44 -0500
From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Attention Ytse Lunchgoers
Message-ID: <32FE06F4.636F@net1plus.com>
Sorry for not making to Ytse-Lunch today bros. I had no cash on me and
the banks were closed. Next time though.
-Jon Dery (metropolis@net1plus.com)
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 12:26:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Expeeler@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Roy Thomas Baker
Message-ID: <970209122614_305250107@emout14.mail.aol.com>
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 02:57:43 GMT
From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
Subject: Roy Thomas Baker
>The CD is produced and mixed by Roy Thomas Baker. Forgive my
>igorance, but why does this name seem familiar? Elvis?
Actually, I'm sure that he produced more, but I know he produced at
least the first three albums by The Cars (The Cars, Candy-O, and
Panarama).
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He also produced a lot, if not all, the 70's Queen albums. I'm not by my cd's
at the
moment so I can't check, but the first time I ever heard of him was when I
bought
my first Queen LP (Sheer Heart Attack, 1974)
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 13:11:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Steve Zebrowski <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tate's range
Message-ID: <199702091811.NAA29323@rpa06.gl.umbc.edu>
> Today I was listening to a Queensryche boot of the PL tour,
> and I was struck by how much Geoff Tate's voice had declined
> over the years.
It is because he smokes, but also because he's no spring chicken anymore.
> This was made especially clear because also on
> this tape was included (thanks, Chuck) some material from the Warning
> tour (or pre tour - he mentions "forthcoming lp") and while the sound
> quality of the latter boot paled in comparison to the former, Tate's voice
> was hitting all the highs.
See! Age. :)
> I actually booed at the cassette deck in my car
> when he (on the PL tape) copped out of the "Take Hold of the Flame"
> screech and left it alone.
Yeah, that disappoints me, too. He hasn't sung that note for years,
though.
> My belabored (or belaboured) point of this is a
> simple question: Why does the range of the rock vocalist (I also submit
> Bruce Dickinson - listen to boots from 80-83) decline so with age? I understand
> it could be a combination of factors which have been mentioned in the past
> such as overuse (Bruce sang about 400 dates on the World Slavery Tour),
Most rock vocalist don't do an adequate warm-down.
> bad habits,
Smoking, for instance...
> and the challenge of performing in front of amplified musicians,
This is probably the major culprit in this phenomenon. An instrument not
meant to be amplified <the voice> performing not just with, but OVER other
instuments invented to be amplified. It's just not fair.
If we want to blame someone, we should blame the guitarists who insist
that they have to turn up so loud "for the tone, man!"
> I wonder if it could also be genetics. I notice Pavorotti has lost some range,
> but he is WAY out of shape, and damn old. Apples and Oranges, most likely.
Pretty much, but Pav. is STILL one of the best. It can be argued that he
shouldn't be performing opera anymore due to his age, but come on. Can
you imagine Pavarotti singing lieder?
> To link this to the marginal DTC I advertised, I wonder whether this same
> phenomenon will befall James LB.
James never smokes and rarely drinks. He seems to have gotten out of the
bad habit of the continuous rasp that he exhibited on the I&W and Awake
tours. If the Fix for '96 shows are any kind of barometer against which
his future singing style can be measured we need not fear.
> I also wonder why the vocalist can't
> be "turned up" so to speak in order that he need not sing so loudly. Is it a
> matter of hearing oneself in the mix?
Well, that would solve some of it, but a singer cannot rely solely on the
monitors. The singer needs not only to listen to himself, but FEEL that
what he is doing is safe/healthy. Tate doesn't. LaBrie does.
Steve Z
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:49:41 +0100 (MET)
From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: JP instructional tape, Ibanez site up to date! :)
Message-ID: <199702091949.UAA26852@gaia.swip.net>
Just flashed by ibanez.com and went into the artist section looking for some
JP info and came up with this:
>Band: Dream Theater Style: Progressive Rock
>
> Label: Elektra
>
> Guitarist: John Petrucci
>
> Main Guitar: Production JPM100
>
> Current Status: Dream Theater is preparing to go into the studio in
March to record
> their first full-length album for Elektra. John recently recorded a 30
minute audio lesson
> tape for Ibanez that will be included with the purchase of a new Rock
& Play II
> practice unit.
Wow, huh?? ;) BTW Does anyone have a copy of this tape, let me know, I want
it!!
Cheers,
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
& Mika Numminen & aarre.n@swipnet.se %
% aka Viking % te95mne@student.hgs.se &
&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%
% http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne &
& http://home3.swipnet.se/~w-330353 (Coming soon!) %
%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&%&
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 15:12:38 -0500 (EST)
From: SlaveBlaze@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: TON
Message-ID: <970209150020_-1274880563@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Would whomever wanted that "Druidess" .wav (Type O Negative) email me
privately. I deleted that Ystejam after reading it and I didn't get your
email address.
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 14:20:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Cygnus <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fellow Long Islander
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970209140014.6176A-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>
On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Heath Augustover wrote:
> Has this happened to anyone else on the jam, just wearing DT stuff and then
> some complete stragner start a conversation with you just because you're
> wearing some DT stuff?
A few months ago while walking on campus here at U of I, I was wearing a
DT shirt and a passerby said to me, "Nice shirt."
Rob
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:51:25 -0500 (EST)
From: IdleMinds@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior/Angra
Message-ID: <970209173247_137514040@emout10.mail.aol.com>
I've noticed alot of people having trouble getting Superior's CD. I've also
noticed most folks paying $20+ for it. I got it for $12.99 and very quickly
from:
Impulse
344 E. Irving Park Rd.
Roselle, IL 60172
CALL: 630-529-3070
They are friendly and fast! BTW, Bernd, you guys are GREAT!!! Even my wife,
who's tired of my Progrock bands I listen to, said, "Hey, this is really
good!" I also picked up Angra's "Holy Land" CD with bonus disc for about
$30. This place specializes in Metal and ProgMetal.
FYI,
Rob
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 17:57:04 -0500 (EST)
From: IdleMinds@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Darkest of Winters
Message-ID: <970209175658_1180149462@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Anyone else aware that the Ronnie Scott's gig will NOT be on this CD? Could
have used an update on this news.
Rob
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:08:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: most overrated, huh?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970209180513.11459A-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> CATEGORY # 11 - MOST OVERRATED BAND (deserving less)
>
> 1. Dream Theater
Gotta wonder how many times Mindcrimer voted ;=) voted ;-)
partha
"i'm so happy, I'm insane"
--r. riviera
"all for one, and none for all, doing battle in the urban sprawl"
--tiles
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 18:11:44 -0500 (EST)
From: IdleMinds@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Shadow Gallery/Magna Carta
Message-ID: <970209180501_1513502432@emout15.mail.aol.com>
I received my copy of the debut CD by SG from Magna Carta the other day.
Very good. It didn't take as long as I thought it would. Also included was
MC's '97 catalogue which shows the cover of the new Magellan. Also very
cool. Apparently both the Magellan and Enchant's "Wounded" will be out in
May.
I also wanted to give my "thumbs up" to Mayadome, who've been mentioned on
here. To me, they aren't the DT ripoff some folks have said they are. I find
them to be a cross between DT and Voivod (the singer sounds like Snake and
those odd time changes). Artension doesn't make it with me. It's too many
notes, too much like Malmsteen---sorry not a fan of his.
Another "thumbs up" to the oft-mentioned Lemur Voice (where did that name
come from anyway?!?). This is a CD that continues to always grow on you. I
find new things to notice each time out. Very good, Marcel!!!
I'll plug Superior again too!!! Amazing!!!
That's it,
Rob
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:39:46 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Offensive lyrics - I need your help! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9702092241.M10572-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hey, gang. My mother works at a college on Long Island, and they have
some sort of "Awareness Day" or some such thing coming up. My mother
wants to give a presentation on bands that have offensive lyrics and/or
themes in their music. It's been a while since I've listened to stuff
like Slayer (as an example), and I've never really gotten much into death
or goth or anything, so I don't know what to tell her about! I would
appreciate it greatly if any of you could give me:
- Bands that have this sort of content
- What sort of badness they sing about (gender/racial badness,
theological badness, etc...)
- Any web pages that exist about these bands
- Samples of particularly bad lyrics
Obviously, what some people think of as badness, other people think of as
"hey, it's only music." I'm not trying to judge anything here. But if
you're not sure whether the music you're thinking of is bad or not,
imagine a bunch of nuns hearing it, and then decide.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!
-d
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 20:30:39 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tate's range
Message-ID: <199702100341.UAA02342@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
> Well, that would solve some of it, but a singer cannot rely solely on the
> monitors. The singer needs not only to listen to himself, but FEEL that
> what he is doing is safe/healthy. Tate doesn't. LaBrie does.
Also on the singing thing, I'd avoid carbonated beverages (I know
some of us can't break the Dew addiction). I quit drinking most
everything except water for the last 6 months or so and have noticed
a slight improvement in my singing ability. I don't get a raspy
throat as often, and I can sustain a note alot longer than I used to
be able to. Now if I'd just take up a friend's offer for some free
vocal lessons, I'd be good to go. Might as well learn it the right
way before I break something...
Laterz!
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