YTSEJAM Digest 3581
Today's Topics:
1)
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
2)
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
3) Savatage & Winmail
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
4) the common enemy
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
5)
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
6) Probes, Maiden, Stupid (PMS 4 NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
7)
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
8) Contributing to Yngwie's discussion
by Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
9)
by "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
10) Platypus songtitles (Tabor, Myung, Sherinian, Morgenstein)
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
11) agree
by DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com>
12) DT Show in Mannheim, Germany March 11th
by christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
13) GREEN DAY SUCKS!!!
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
14) Re: The Pillage of Priam Village etc.
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
15) Re:Green Day??????
by Jeremy Lucas <moon_child@earthlink.net>
16) Re: Hanson (NO, NOT THAT ONE!!!!)
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
17) re: Vitalij Kuprij
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3580
by BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net>
19) Re: Vitalij Kuprij
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
20) Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!!
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:13:24 -0600
From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199802272313.SAA55614@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
>ever think it would've been simpler (and
>wiser) to just purchase a Jem, or JPM, or
>one of their other high-line
>guitars?
No, because I hand-picked EXACTLY what is on this guitar, and it's got my
own unique sound and style, and that my friend is priceless!
I not into the flamin' deal. Peace. But I have to disagree with this.
YOU have you're own sound and style. The guitar is a funnel for this.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:20:24 -0600
From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199802272320.SAA58320@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
Ptacek: A simple question I hope you don't take offense to: How is that
pronounced?
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:08:08 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage & Winmail
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980227180806.0071757c@maila.wm.edu>
>I agree 100% with this. Zach Stevens is an absolutely AMAZING vocalist.
>Really great. And yes, "Chance" is one off my all-time favorite tunes!
>Also "All That I Bleed" and "Alone You Breathe" both send chills down my
>spine!
>Anybody who hasn't already - - - - > I really recommend you pick up
>Savatage's "Edge of Thorns" and "Handful of Rain". "Dead Winter Dead"
>is pretty awesome too.
>- Joe D.
Zach Stevens = wow. I haven't heard "All that I Bleed" but I do have
"Alone You Breathe." What a kicker. I would also highly recommend Handful
of Rain, the CD it comes off of. It has great tracks, with incredibly
scope. Some much harder stuff, and some more melodic...but they have great
melodies anyway. Dead Winter Dead was the first album I heard/bought by
Savatage, and what got me hooked. Everyone should definitely have this.
It's a rock-opera - the first one I got to hear. The music, and the
lyrics, everything will just blow you away.
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>Can someone please forward Jam digest 3577 to me? Something happens on AOL
>every now and then, where I get a WINMAIL.DAT instead of a digest.
I'm not on AOL, but I also have gotten a bunch of ytsejams with
winmail.dat. lemme see...3550, and 3577, that I can see right now. What
is up with this? Does anybody know why this is happening? My mail server
here is Eudora.
Thanks.
Alex
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:17:27 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the common enemy
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980227181726.006879ac@maila.wm.edu>
>come on, let's not get hostile, shouldn't we be uniting against the common
>enemy??
>no, not the Judian Peoples Front, HANSON!
UNITE!
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:38:07 -0600
From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199802272338.SAA49544@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
4) Kevin vs. Derek vs. Jordan - I like this discussion (I should, I
somewhat
started it). This is much more constructive.
But I disagree here. DT have selected DS as their keys. End of story.
Deal with
it. Get on with things.
Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can convince them to drop DS, and go with
someone
else.
Whatever you're decision, please, PLEASE, stop posting it here. It's REAL
fucking old.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:40:53 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Probes, Maiden, Stupid (PMS 4 NDTC)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227234053.006d62d8@pop.pipeline.com>
>>Mesa Boogie Rectifier: Nothing can touch this.
Man, I thought this said "Mega Booty Rectumfier" at first...
On another note, the new Iron Maiden single "Futureal" is at
the Hard Radio site <www.hardradio.com>. It really sounds a
lot better than The X Factor stuff. More like Killer-era
material. If the rest of the disc is anything like this,
we have a comeback of the year award winner.
I hate generalizations.
I hate all rhetorical questions.
Are you really that dumb?
Long live the ham, er, I mean, jam...
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions
31-15-13 vs. Florida Panthers
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:49:47 -0600
From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199802272350.SAA04014@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
> Getting tired of the bitching and complaining going on here:
It goes with the territory......
It should'nt
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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:04:28 +0100
From: Yakov Kouznetsov <provibe@club-internet.fr>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Contributing to Yngwie's discussion
Message-ID: <3316210C.EDC@club-internet.fr>
I just wanted to contribute to the discussion of Yngwie Johan
Malmsteen as the guy calls himself on the last instrumental album. I
don't care how he looks, whether he beats his wife or not, I listen to
his music. And I must admit it really sucks after "Odyssey" album was
released. On the following albums I hear same boring songs, same
TGV-like solos, etc. Yngwie thinks that he is a good song writer - I
doubt. For instance, Mike Vescera's last solo effort released back in
1996 called MVP "Windows" is better than all Yngwie's albums in last 10
years. Just check out a song with Doug Aldritch and Al Pitrelli on
guitars. And one interesting fact : there's one song written by Yngwie
and played by him, well, it's the only song that sucks.
I gave Malmsteen the last chance on "Inspiration" but when I heard
"Manic Depression" the story was over.
There was somebody deffending Yngwie and was asking for favourite
recordings, well, for me, from the guitar standpoint they are Stevie
Ray's "Texas Flood" and Clapton's "24 nights". But please, don't start
comparing "Maestro" to these greatest guitarists. It will sound silly,
at least.
But in general, I'm not a big fan of such discussions. Everybody has
their tastes and preferences.
Keep on rockin'. Jacob. provibe@club-internet.fr
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:33:18 -0600
From: "Aaron High" <High2day@prodigy.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199802272333.SAA85394@mail1y-int.prodigy.net>
You
guys say DT sold out because they have a different sound, and say Yngwie is
stale because he has stuck with his sound. Seems like a no win situation to
me. I tell you what, the next time you want to rag on Yngwie, include a
jpeg
picture of yourself along with your best recording.
Amen dude! I've stated this before and it's a great point. Everyone can
have
their own opinion. Just don't bitch and moan if you don't have room to
complain.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:20:15 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Platypus songtitles (Tabor, Myung, Sherinian, Morgenstein)
Message-ID: <01BD43E7.0A45E0E0@Bashir.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Some songtitles from "When Pus comes to shove" :
* What about the Merch?
* Platt Opus
* Quagmire
* Destination Unknown
* Bye Bye
* Stand in Line
* Nothing to Say
More info on "Under A Cyber Moon". :-)
Mark Bredius
____________________________________________________________________
Dream Theater - "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:27:37 EST
From: DrummerEsh <DrummerEsh@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: agree
Message-ID: <fe9393d1.34f759fc@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-02-27 14:59:58 EST, you write:
<< Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost
never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of
loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and
went out and became a band. They are the epitome of shitty American
music. It's talentless, unoriginal bands, like Green Day that get
together and "flush your mind right down the drain..." Great chord
progressions? gimme a break. Big deal if they can play a bunch of
power chords in different orders. They're the easiest songs in the
world to play on top of that. Any kid can pick up a guitar for the
first time and learn any Green Day song in a week. It's boring,
repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro
Tull or some Kansas.
Even more important, Green Day and every other "punk" band today are
ripping off a legitimate MOVEMENT of music that ended in 1982! You want
original punk music? Pick up some Sex Pistols or some Misfits. Stop
wasting your time with this garbage!
Chris >>
Dued i just wana let you know that i totaly agree with you!! People need to
here some DT..and as for the grammys its can lick my nuts, bunch of gay ass
loosers who dont know shit sit there and pick crapy songs to win awards..I
think people on this jam should be picking the winners!!
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Date: 27 Feb 1998 11:03:00 +0100
From: christoph@ds.domino.de (Christoph Bauer)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Show in Mannheim, Germany March 11th
Message-ID: <6oeQXFLojFB@christoph.ds.domino.de>
Hi there,
Is there anybody on the Jam who will be at the DT Show on March 11th in
Mannheim? I'll be there with 14 friends of mine! I've converted them all
to Dream Theater.
BTW.: Yesterday I visited a bar in Heidelberg (perhaps some of you know
this town) And there was a so-called "Hard and Heavy hour". Well, I was
sitting there, drinking and talking, and suddenly the DJ played Metropolis
!!! The whole song! And after this he even played The Mirror, and I fell
into delirium :) I will from now on be there every Thursday at the "Hard
and Heavy thing"....
Bye,
Chris
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:46:15 -0500
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!!
Message-ID: <34F77A76.637ACF30@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> you're lucky i don'tknow where you live,cause nobody puts down the
genius mind
genius? hardly
> of that dude who sings for green day, he is a true poet, and a musical
genius,
> more so than prince ever was or any other musician. the sex pistols
were
> posers and never could of ever dreamed of being a TRUE punk band like
Green
> Day. I should know, I'm a real musician, i'm not as great as green
day, but i
> can play simple stuff like dream theater, fates warning, and basic
music like
> that.
>
> Rocky
Ok, 3 things:
1.) You're ignorant...for an explanation, go to #2
2.) Sex Pistols are posers huh? The Sex Pistols came into being in the
late 70's. That jerk from Green Day didn't even have pubic hair by that
time. I'm not even a fan of punk music...but I'm aware that PUNK music
WAS a movement in the late 70's. It featured musicians filled with
anger. Musicians who produced that type of music because of the way
they felt about the world. The way they dressed...the way they acted.
It was all part of the punk movement. Green Day is one of those
pseudo-punk bands that came into being in the late 80's/early 90's.
THEY are the ones who are being posers and they are the ones who are
copying other musicians. You wanna hear some Green Day songs 20 years
into the past? Listen to some Sex Pistols. You wanna hear bands
RIPPING off other bands? Listen to Green Day. I bet you've never even
heard the Sex Pistols before
3.) You wanna know where I live? You wanna get in touch with me?
FINE! Which way do you prefer?
Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
Mail? Chris Calabrese
706 East Tower
Ithaca College
953 Danby Rd.
Ithaca, NY 14850
How about the phone? (607) 375-4100
I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men!
Take your pick!
Chris
-- "Watch religion come and go, Watch corruption on their shows. Buy your silence money for blood, Out of the ark and into the flood..."- Bruce Dickinson "Lickin' the Gun"
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:46:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: The Pillage of Priam Village etc. Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980228024544.11223B-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
Bafu, that was the most complete and effective post I've seen on this list in a long time. Plus it was funny as hell. Thanks for the little breath of fresh air that your post gave me.
Carpe Diem, -- Bert Baldwin rcb@vectorbd.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:02:12 -0600 From: Jeremy Lucas <moon_child@earthlink.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:Green Day?????? Message-ID: <34F77024.678B@earthlink.net>
> In a message dated 98-02-27 15:00:01 EST, you write: > > << Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost > never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of > loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and > >> > > you're lucky i don'tknow where you live,cause nobody puts down the genius mind > of that dude who sings for green day, he is a true poet, and a musical genius, > more so than prince ever was or any other musician. the sex pistols were > posers and never could of ever dreamed of being a TRUE punk band like Green > Day. I should know, I'm a real musician, i'm not as great as green day, but i > can play simple stuff like dream theater, fates warning, and basic music like > that. > > Rocky
I seriously hope that you are joking. Dream Theater and Fates Warning are a hell of a lot better than Green Day are.
Jeremy NP-nothing (fixing to watch Fates Warning videos)
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: The YtseJam mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Hanson (NO, NOT THAT ONE!!!!) Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.980228025711.11223C-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I recently competed in a piano competition here in Rochester, NY called the Howard Hanson competition. I had been calling it "Hanson" for weeks, just to save some breath. Anyways, I was at this girl's house with 2 of her friends a few hours before I had to go and compete, and I said something like, "Yeah, I'll do that after Hanson." (It probably had something to do with transcribing keys for LITS or something, which I am now trying to do...) Anyways, when I said that, the 3 girls went nuts, yelling things such as, "You're playing for HANSON?!?!" I thought I was going to lie down and die right there on the basement floor. Not that any of this is relevant to the 'Jam discussion. It's just a bunch of stuff that happened. Oh, well. By the by, I won. If it makes any difference. SEEYA!
Carpe Diem, -- Bert Baldwin rcb@vectorbd.com
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:30:15 EST From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Vitalij Kuprij Message-ID: <5d4da8fa.34f784c9@aol.com>
I bought this CD, and I liked a few tunes, but I thought there was a lot of filler, and a lot of mindless noodling. This guy's talented, but I thought he could use a good songwriting lesson. But on the topic of Neo-Classical Shred, check out Geroge Bellas, , he has 2 cd's "Turn of the Milllenium" and "Mind over Matter" (both shrapnel). I'd reccommend MoM first, because the production is very tinny on "Turn . . ." kinda like comparing "Awake" to "IaW". This guy can shred with the best, he's faster than Yngwie, but not quite as fast as Joe Stump. But he's got the fluidity of Marty Friedman and Jason Becker, that neither Joe nor Yngwie have. Killer tunes also.
----------Art The Official Joe Stump Website http://www.joestump.com
<<< For anyone who loves Artension or classically-influenced keyboard-based progmetal (how's that for pigeon-holing?) you must own Vitalij Kuprij's High Definition. This disc would be on my list of 10 best in 97 had I made such a list. It also features production and shredding guitar by Shrapnel's own Greg Howe. So go buy this disc now. (And I'm sure Mike Varney would agree.) >>>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:40:28 +0000 From: BA <geleshka@postoffice.ptd.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3580 Message-ID: <34F740DB.6F064676@mail.ptdprolog.net>
> > > > The Ibanez pickups were good, but I really love the Seymour sound. > > Since you are in Duncan camp with me, Vin, you're allowed to say it. > The old Ibanez stock pickups suck all hairy ass. There is no denying > it. People who like them just haven't tried a different pickup in > their guitar. >
Yeah Duncans are cool, but nothing can touch the old EMG 81's. There is nothing like the tone of an old 81 in the neck position. Plus, they are ten times as quite! Hey, any pickup developed by NASA for the space shuttle has to be good. Brendt A
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:01:39 +1100 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vitalij Kuprij Message-ID: <34F78C23.6B1A@sydney.net>
AEllis1222 wrote: > But on the topic of Neo-Classical Shred, check out Geroge Bellas, , he has 2 > cd's "Turn of the Milllenium" and "Mind over Matter"
Bellas is also on John West's 'Mind Journey' but this album has real songs not just mindless shredding :)
graham
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:30:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: GREEN DAY SUCKS!!! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980227212650.15225A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Chris Calabrese wrote:
>Ok, 3 things: >
<reactionary flam-balling snipped except for...>
> >Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu >Mail? Chris Calabrese > 706 East Tower > Ithaca College > 953 Danby Rd. > Ithaca, NY 14850 >How about the phone? (607) 375-4100 >I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men! >
Oh my God... (ROTFLMAO) You really did it this time... hehehehehe... I hope you faked your address, because you'll be getting some pretty embarassing mail telling you how hypersensitive you are... this is a hoot, it really is...
"Hey, everybody? I just made an ass of myself nad left my address and phone number! Come on over!"
I hope your luck is good... ^_^
>Take your pick! >
I'll choose door number 4
>Chris >--
--Matt (hahaha...)
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