YTSEJAM Digest 3474
Today's Topics:
1) Backround in Change of Seasons and backround on King's-X
by DonnaHClavelli@chicago.avenew.com (Donna H Clavelli)
2) Stu Hamm (NMBC - No Mike Bahr Content)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
3) Re: DT taping Phish to set lists
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) Re: Mumblings and Jumblings/ No DTC
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
5) Finding Echolyn's CDs...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
6) EMPTY TREMOR samples online now !!!
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
7) EVERON - new prog web site !
by LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at>
8) Musical input, FII/I&W
by "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com>
9) Fates
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
10) Re: Game of Thrones (NDTC)...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
11) Symfo City 1997 top 30
by Lisa Marie <peterson@fore.com>
12) Re: Backround in Change of Seasons and backround on King's-X
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: another mp3 question
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3468
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
15) Rock and Roll pioneer dead!
by skooc@earthlink.net
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:09:59 -0800
From: DonnaHClavelli@chicago.avenew.com (Donna H Clavelli)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Backround in Change of Seasons and backround on King's-X
Message-ID: <34C396F7.5FBE@chicago.avenew.com>
In Carpe Diem, between the lines "Cherish your life while you're still
around" and "We can learn from the past," what are they singing in the
backround? I know they repeat the first line of it in The Crimson
Sunset, but I can't tell what they're saying.
I was browsing through a music store when I saw a few CDs for King's-X.
I knew the singer sang backround on Lines in the Sand, but they looked
pretty coll and I was wondering if anyone could tell me about them.
Thanks a lot!
Tony Clavelli
"I'm only fourteen and I haven't heard enough cool quotes
yet to write them after my letters."--Tony Clavelli
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:22:29 -0500
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Stu Hamm (NMBC - No Mike Bahr Content)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980119162229.006b79d0@pop.pipeline.com>
>Get Billy Sheehan's "Kings of Sleep" (i think). Put it this way....If a
>bass player has his OWN cd's out....you can bet he's gonna do some
>soloing on it ! He rips !!
>
>Zildjian
Somehow I think you meant to say "Stu Hamm" and not "Billy Sheehan."
Right? His other solo cds, "Radio Free Albemuth" (or something like that),
and "The Urge" (there may be others, but those are the three I have) are
also well worth owning if you like listening to bassists break teacups in the
auditory china shop.
CD of the Day - Candlemass - Chapter VI (much more power metal-like than any
of the Messiah material; probably their best "songs.")
GB Packers '96 Super Bowl Champs | Det. Red Wings '97 Stanley Cup Champs
15-3 28-11-10
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Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:48 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT taping Phish to set lists
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980119113746.0068d888@pop.ici.net>
I just wanted to say that this post ended up sounding like a comment
younger siblings hear all the time: "Why can't you be more like your
brother/sister?". There's a real good reason that DT isn't more like Phish,
and that's because they're *not* Phish. If the bands' roles were reversed,
I doubt anyone on the Phish list would be begging them to aim for more
commercial success by playing more static sets and discouraging taping. :)
The fact of the matter is, Phish is more successful because there is (and
always was) more of a market for the kind of music they play than for the
kind of music DT plays. The set lists, jams, and taping are really only
bonuses, I don't think they have that much of an effect. You can take any
band, put 'em on stage and allow taping, have 'em play jams and stuff, but
if the music sucks, they're still gonna drop off the map REAL quick.
>I can understand wanting to play the new stuff, but
>maybe they could put a new spin on their older songs. I'd
>love to hear a 1998 version of Light Fuse And Get Away.
>Experiment a little, get crazy. Turn the lava lamp up to
>11 and see what happens.
>
>I'm not expecting a 45min version of Status Seeker, but I
>think it would be more fun for the audience and the band
>if there was more experimentation, more of the unexpected.
Let's just take a look at DT's recent shows: Caught In Alice's 9-Inch Tool
Garden, the "Fasten Your Seatbelts" Ytsejam, Nightmare Cinema, The extended
Learning To Live, the extended Metropolis, the electric Silent Man, and
probably a couple others I can't think of right now. That does not sound
like a band that's just hanging out on stage playing the stuff on the albums.
The fact of the matter is, DT is not a jam band. Derek's influence may push
them in that direction a little bit, but I don't think you're ever going to
see DT playing a purely spontaneous set list. Of course, that's just my
opinion. I could be wrong. :)
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:38:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mumblings and Jumblings/ No DTC
Message-ID: <199801191738.MAA28337@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
>
> Oh, and to Mike Bahr, "Good Will Hunting" was released late last year to
> qualify for this year's Oscars and therefore is considered a 1997 film.
> Nitpicker, me.
>
> Spiff
>
Actually, I was going to mention the same thing. I saw this in
NYC in early December. I think the wide release date was in
early Jan. of this year.......Phenomenal movie, BTW....
-Al
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu Subject: Finding Echolyn's CDs... Message-ID: <199801191812.NAA10856@clipper.hq.tis.com>
Hi, If you're looking for either Echolyn's "When the Sweet Turns to Sour" or "As the World" you can buy them online at ProgTron for $14.95 and $12.95 respectively: http://www.webpage.com/~progtron
ProgTron is a wonderful place to pick up all kinds of hard to find prog CDs. I recommend it highly.
Steve
P.S. The Laser's Edge is another place to find obscure progressive rock CDs: http://www.jersey.net/~lasercd
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:17:51 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: fates@tier.net, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EMPTY TREMOR samples online now !!! Message-ID: <34C4175F.4A0C@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
EMPTY TREMOR are deffinatly the best new prog band (IMO).
I've put some samples from their great masterpice "Apocolokyntosys" on my Prog Or Die page. These samples are now in mp3 format (ziped), so everyone can enjoy the great prog music these guys have made for us.
If you like prog rock (Dream Theater, Angra, Vanden Plas), then you will love Empty Tremor.
Please give this big talented band a chance and check the samples out.
Feel free to mail me any suggestions or questions you have.
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:30:05 +0000 From: LoneWolf <e8825527@student.tuwien.ac.at> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EVERON - new prog web site ! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980119193005.00691264@stud1.tuwien.ac.at>
Hi all,
in case you haven't heard of EVERON... that's an awesome progressive rock band from Germany. I highly recommend their albums "FLOOD" and "VENUS". It's a mixture of Rush/Saga/Marillion type stuff. (Lisa calls it "Neo-progressive-symphonic rock", but please don't compare them to DT. Everon are pretty unique).
Their web page is at: http://www.AudioPhile.com/Everon/
Sorry, no soundclips yet, but they will come soon. I'll also add tourdates as soon as they are available.
Btw, I'm not subscribed to this list anymore, so if you wanna flame me: LoneWolf@dreamt.org
Have a nice one, Wolf
--------------------------------------- LoneWolf Musician and Webdesigner E-Mail: e8825527@stud1.tuwien.ac.at ---------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:03 PST From: "Eric LaRue" <rycheanviolator@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Musical input, FII/I&W Message-ID: <19980119183503.14618.qmail@hotmail.com>
A couple questions.
I kind of asked this first question already, but I didn't quite get answered. So I'll rephrase it. When someone in DT writes some lyrics, do they already have a preconceived notion of how they want the music to go? And then the others just added their own special touch? DT's music just seems to complex to have evolved from five musicians just randomly playing whatever they felt like playing.
Also, does there seem to be a strong connection with with Images and Words in FII? Of ourse, the obvious one is the use of "Just close your mind, you can find all you need with your eyes," being the reverse of "Just close your eyes, you can find all you need with your mind" in TTT. But there seems to be other musical connections, too. The opening to New Millenium seems an awful lot like the opening to LtL, and LitS reminds me a lot of TTT with its slow section in the middle.
Submitted for your approval.
BTW, how do you like my new sig? It's shorter!
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fates Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980119134457.18258A-100000@bdmserver>
Rogerio wrote: > Ugh! "No Exit" is waaaay too heavy. And it's not melodic at all. >Interesting, but not a must have IMO. Their recent material is better, >IMO.
No Exit was just a stepping stone as Fates went from a Metal band to a Prog Metal band. NOB and Spectre are late 80's in the vein of Iron Maiden. No Exit and AWTG are places where Fates begins to change to a prog metal band. Then when perfect Symmetry came out, Fates as a prog metal band began. If you like heavy music that is a cross between Iron Maiden and prog metal then get No Exit.
This is all my opinion of course...
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:06:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Game of Thrones (NDTC)... Message-ID: <199801191906.OAA12204@clipper.hq.tis.com>
>From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com> > >I was just reading George R.R. Martin's "A Game Of Thrones". One of the >characters is a bard called Marillion. I just thought that was quite cool. >
Yeah, and that's a great book in general if you like epic fantasy. I'm hoping he can follow it well with the rest of the series. If he does it will rank up there with some of my favorite SF/Fantasy series like Glen Cook's "The Black Company" -- a wonderful, grim, fantasy series. Any other Glen Cook fans out there? He's one of my favorite authors. Wow, that was really NDTC. Hm... Does anyone know if the members of Dream Theater read a lot or are SF/Fantasy fans?
Steve
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:26:11 -0800 From: Lisa Marie <peterson@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Symfo City 1997 top 30 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980119112610.006b12f8@mailbox.sj.fore.com>
Hi everyone!
This was posted to the Spock's Beard mailing list a few days ago, I thought some of you might be interested in the results, so here ya go...
Take care everyone! Lisa Marie jessie@a-vip.com http://www.a-vip.com/jessie -----------------------------------------------------------------
Dear ProgFrogs,
Here are the results from the popularity poll held by Symfo City ProgRadio. Votes came in by listeners to our radio program but also visitors of our website sent in their lists. Thanks everybody who has worked for completing this exciting year list. Here is the end list:
1 IQ - Subterranea 2 Spock's Beard - Beware of darkness 3 Twin Age - Lialim high 4 Yes - Keys to ascension II 5 Clepsydra - Fears 6 Flower Kings - Stardust we are 7 Chandelier - Timecode 8 Final Conflict - Stand up 9 Lizard - W galerii czasu 10 Steve Hackett - Genesis revisited 11 Fish - Sunsets on empire 12 Marillion - This strange engine 13 Dream Theater - Falling into infinity 14 Sinkadus - Aurum nostrum 15 Pendragon - Live in Krakow 16 Odyssice - Moondrive 17 Genesis - Calling all stations 18 Enchant - Wounded 19 Magellan - Test of wills 20 The Gathering - Nighttime birds 21 Iona - Heaven's bright sun 22 Peter Gee - Vision of angels 23 The Fyreworks - The Fyreworks 24 Jadis - Somersault 25 Finneus Gauge - More wants more 26 Brass=E9 - Inferno 27 Yes - Open your eyes 28 Fates Warning - A pleasant shade of grey 29 Maryson - Master magician I 30 Savatage - The wake of Magellan
=A9 Symfo City ProgProductions
That's it for this (1997) year.
Best regards, Theo Bongers -- Symfo City ProgRadio p/a Het Kasteel 678 NL-7325 PW Apeldoorn THE NETHERLANDS http://www.worldonline.nl/~symfocty
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:49:49 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Backround in Change of Seasons and backround on King's-X Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980119174812.22803A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Donna H Clavelli wrote:
> In Carpe Diem, between the lines "Cherish your life while you're still > around" and "We can learn from the past," what are they singing in the > backround? I know they repeat the first line of it in The Crimson > Sunset, but I can't tell what they're saying.
I'm not listening to it right now, so I don't know if we're talking about the same thing, but my memory is telling me that it's "gather ye rosebuds while ye may".
> I was browsing through a music store when I saw a few CDs for King's-X. > I knew the singer sang backround on Lines in the Sand, but they looked > pretty coll and I was wondering if anyone could tell me about them.
I'm on the same boat... :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:26:04 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: another mp3 question Message-ID: <8mrw0MlyZUVc092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <Pine.A32.3.95.980113190404.85023A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>, they cover you in flowers when they bury you <afn39111@afn.org> wrote: > >Thanks to the people who directed me to www.mp3.com and www.mp3bench.com. >Very informative. Except for one thing: what will I need to take samples of >music? For instance, I rip a song with a cdripper but I don't want an mp3 >of the whole song, only a one minute sample. What's a good sound editing >program?
Cool Edit 96 is good. Go to: <www.syntrillium.com>. I will add this to some of my messages, but I'll drop it earlier: I'm posting this to the fucking list because more people may be interested in it. BTW, see how the disclaimers are longer than the URLs...
[]s, Roger, "The Off-Topic Poster"...
P.S.: It's funny that even though roughly 50% of the posts are off-topic, most people come bashing *ME*. Hey, I'm only part of a whole, people.
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Date: 19 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0000 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3468 Message-ID: <iC8w0MlyZked092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <6e60311a.34c0c68c@aol.com>, Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com> wrote: > > i'm not going to buy it just cause of kev. if you had read my whole post you >would have saw that i have heard from several friends that thier music is good >(fates) and i wanted some other peoples opinion's on the matter.i heard from a >good friend that if i like dt i'd really like fates. i know he didn't write >the music some guy named jim matheos did so at any note i was just writing >this to get some people's opinion's.
Well, Fates Warning seems to be a love-it or hate-it band (just ask for opinions on APSoG and you'll see that we'll be flooded with widely and wildly different reviews). I think that APSoG is a kind of interesting album, since it, for me at least, is what I use as a standard definining the term "progressive metal" (I have yet to see an album which fits more the term than this one).
It's interesting (even more if the only progressive metal band you know of is Dream Theater), and I really should re-state that it's worth for the Kevin Moore apparition. Even knowing that he had not written the piece, it is obvious that he choose the tone and did his own interpretation of the music. But after the 5th part, the music is better. :-) (it's made of 12 parts). >Angella
See ya and let's see comments from other people, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: skooc@earthlink.net To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rock and Roll pioneer dead! Message-ID: <199801192014.MAA29508@norway.it.earthlink.net>
I was told by a friend today that Rock and Roll pioneer Carl Perkins has died. Although most of you may not know who he is, he is one of the original rocksers of the early 50's. I had the privilige of seeing him live in 1988 and he was great. He seemed to genuinely be enjoying what he was doing even after over 35 years in Rock and Roll. Unlike a lot of musicians today who seem to whine about every fucking little thing under the sun, he was a guy who felt blessed to be able to play music for people. If you see the Monserrat concert listed on VH1 I suggest watching it. Not only is Carl there, but peole such as Eric Clapton and Mark Knofler and Paul McCartney were also part of this show.
I didn't know if anyone would care, but I felt as one of the senior (age wise) members of the jam I felt I should say something.
Scott
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