YTSEJAM Digest 4036
Today's Topics:
1) Guitar stuff (amps, pickups, chew toys)
by someone@enteract.com
2) FS: DT Subconscious silver #348
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4032
by belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
4) Re: Attention: ytsegathering in NY!
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
5) Re: Guitar stuff (amps, pickups, chew toys)
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
6) Re: IMPORTANT: Rush news straight from Anthem SRO
by "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com>
7) The World Cup
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4035
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl>
9) Re: LITS
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
10) Re: LITS
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
11) Re: The World Cup
by Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Re: Sorry... it's not DT related
by "Tchzrech" <Tchzrech@netcomuk.co.uk>
13) The Soccerjam
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:06:47 +0000
From: someone@enteract.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Guitar stuff (amps, pickups, chew toys)
Message-ID: <199807041701.MAA08465@oats.farm.niu.edu>
> From: Phil Carter <satriani@negia.net>
> Yeah, Itchy, I know that (I checked the original address). I wanna know
> how long the redirect will be in effect. :) I have several people I need
> to get to change their links, but some of them are slow about updates, and
> I can't *force* them to update, so....well, you get the idea.
I will leave the UACM redirect page there forever, or until Itchy
wants it removed. The space isn't an issue, obviously, but he's got
a million and 1 links and search engine registered pages... it'd be
better not to leave dead links. At least for now.
> From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
> Subject: Re: Combo Amps
> > I need to get a new amp. I'd like to get a stack, but the truth is I
> > just don't have room for one right now. I'd like something that can give
> > me really good balls and chunk, perhaps similar to Bernd's tone, but that
> > can really give some awesome sounding lead tone. I'd like something that
Bernd will be happy to tell you what he uses, but you're DEFINITELY
going to find out that a great deal of the sound is coming from his
style of pick attack and his left hand style. You can go through the
most cranked, pre-tweek'd set-up and unless you're Dime Bag Darrel,
you're not going to sound exactly like Dime Bag Darrel. You can get
a similar tone to someone by analyzing their pick attack. I know
it's a lot tougher for you since you can't watch someone pick and
compare it to your style, but try choking up on the pick at different
levels, and picking from different angles. Try hitting the strings
harder with a quick "snapping" kind of motion... speed up your pick
attack and all (note, I don't mean speed up your picking... try
playing a cheesy power chord rhythm at 140 BPM, and vary the velocity
of your pick attack without changing the rhythm.).
Inexpensive combos can get a good rhythm sound... I really like the
new Trans Tube stuff by Peavey. Similar to Valvestate, with more
chunk, and less price. I use a Fender Stage 112 SE as a practice
amp... it's very noisy, and loses a bit of chuink on the rhythm for
the warmth of the lead tone. I find it to be satisfactory. RARELY
can you find the rhythm and lead tone you want in one inexpensive
combo, OR in a combo that can sound good quiet. If these aren't an
issue, then you really NEED to check out the Mesa stuff and the
Bogner stuff. You may dig the Peavey 5150 (you will sound more like
satan than like Eddie Van Halen through this thing... it is a rippin'
amp for the 6 string thing.)
KillMary has a Carvin 2 X 12 combo that gets some really killer
metal tones. Maybe he can post about it.
> for good metal tones and only moderate expense, i would
> recommend the marshall Valvestate amps. they use a tube preamp
> and a solid state power amp, so they cost less than all tube
> amps, and they sound good at low volumes, unlike a tube amp
> which warms up when cranked. the valvestate will do good
> crunchy metal tones, but not really good warm blues SRV tones.
The real "tube" sound IMO is in the power amp section. I have used
so much bullshit that says "With a real screaming 12AX7 in the
preamp" to know that it's bullshit. My TriAxis does not get the
ripping pure chunk that a lot of old metal bands got, and it has
what... 5 12AX7s? The ripping tone is only there when I plug into my
power amp. You can get a great "metal" tone for lead and for rhythm
without stepping into the tube zone... I don't recommend ANYTHING
that is advertised as "featuring a screaming 12AX7 preamp tube."
That means it has a glowing orange light probably visible so as to
make you think it's cool. It doesn't mean it has tone.
> if you want something all tube, you might look at the newer
> marshall JCM 2000 amps, or the boogie DC series or Dual
> Rectifier series - then you're talking $700-1200. you said
> combo amp so i'm leaving out rack gear.
May extend well beyond the $1200 range, but you're really talking
about pro gear and stuff that's USUALLY worth every penny.
If you're not worried about going pro-gear yet, I'd recommend
exhausting every foot pedal possibility, and saving some bux!
> of the Marshall. Having said that, it could be my pickups with the low gain.
> I play an Ibanez RG507 with the standard Ibanez V7 at the neck, S1 in the
> centre, and V8 at the bridge, so if you're playing through Evolutions or
I had those pickups in my axe at one point. They are your problem.
Upgrade your bridge pickup (I'm assuming your Neck pickup is fine,
and you're not expecting the super gain sound out of it). I love
Duncans, but if you're a real metalhead, I'd suggest EMGs.
> something, then the gain's higher. But I'm no expert on pickups, so maybe
> Mr. Ptacek could shed some light in that area.
I'm no expert on anything, but there's my opinions... :)
Go Home and Practice!
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:55:44 -0400
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: DT Subconscious silver #348
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980704095544.0079b100@mail.erinet.com>
I need some extra money, and I'm sure some DT fans out there might like
this gem. It'll go to the highest offer by (next Friday) July 10th. It is
the very first Prism Records Dream Theater bootleg, and it is hand numbered
#348. This is back when Kevin Moore was in the band.
Tracks:
1. Eve (w/ KevMo samples)
2. A Change ofSeasons (older version of it)
3. O Holy Night (w/ Dominici)
4. Carry that Weight/Golden Slumbers (Beatles cover)
5. Don't Look Past Me
6. Wanted: Dead or Alive (Petrucci w/ Kev & friend on "vocals")
7. To Live Forever (acoustic)
8. The Gorilla Session (instrumental)
9. Mission:Impossible Theme
10. The Back Pain Jam (improv jam)
11. The Awake Heavy Jam (improv jam)
12. Experimental (Myung improv instrumental on guitar)
13. Tears (Rush cover)
14. Winter (Tori Amos cover)
send all offers to: dantemm@erinet.com
Dan
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 13:29:36 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4032
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.980704132259.543418115A-100000@drew.edu>
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Graham Boyle on the Vital Tech Tones:
> My first impressions of the is are not good, unlike LTE which has
> great melodies, all I can hear is one long jam, zilch melodies.
> I wanted to turn it off after 3 songs, but I decided to give it a
> fair go, I guess this kinda stuff just ain't my thing.
I thought it was just ok when I first bought it. I'm just going to listen
to this CD several thousand times until it really grows on me. I do like
some of the songs (crash course, king twang, the captors), it's just that
the other ones (especially lie detector) ramble a bit too much and tend
not to be focused.
Brandon
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Attention: ytsegathering in NY!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980704135603.13479A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Damon holds his breath on this. Anybody who is considering going from the
central jersey area, would t possible to pick me up? I want to go to this,
but have no ride. Thanks.
-- Damon Fibraio, email damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words------------------------------
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Guitar stuff (amps, pickups, chew toys) Message-ID: <199807041828.OAA33998@node8.unix.Virginia.EDU>
According to someone@enteract.com: > > The real "tube" sound IMO is in the power amp section. I have used > so much bullshit that says "With a real screaming 12AX7 in the > preamp" to know that it's bullshit. My TriAxis does not get the > ripping pure chunk that a lot of old metal bands got, and it has > what... 5 12AX7s? The ripping tone is only there when I plug into my > power amp. You can get a great "metal" tone for lead and for rhythm > without stepping into the tube zone... I don't recommend ANYTHING > that is advertised as "featuring a screaming 12AX7 preamp tube." > That means it has a glowing orange light probably visible so as to > make you think it's cool. It doesn't mean it has tone.
but it doesn't mean that it _doesn't_ have tone either. just like anything, if they do it right, it will sound good. if they engineer it poorly it will suck. your point about the advertising is right on - they hype the tube angle because it is popular, and a lot of the most hyped things are poorly designed crap to sell to newbie players.
for metal tones especially, the majority of the tone coloration is from preamp overdrive and not the power amp section. with a good tube preamp and solid state power amp, you can get a good metal tone if you set things up right. my rack has a peavey tube preamp and a mosvalve SS power amp. i have A/B tested it against boogie, ADA, and marshall gear and none of it came close to the chunky low end crunch of my rack.
the Valvestates have tube preamp and SS power amp, as do the Fender Performer amps that another poster mentioned. it's a great way to get a better preamp sound without the expense / weight / heat / retubing hassle of power tubes. for metal, i think they sound great. Fates Warning and Prong used Valvestates for their live sound. for other types of tones, like the glassy SRV Fender thing, slight power tube distortion is a must - you simply can't get that sound out of a solid state power amp.
the general Boogie mark series design is based on old Fender designs with a pre gain stage tone stack, so i'm not surprised that you need the power amp coloration to warm up the Triaxis sound. that may be why the Boogie preamps i tried with my rack didn't sound very good.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:56:52 -0500 From: "Ryan Park" <rpark@space-dye.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Rush news straight from Anthem SRO Message-ID: <000501bda77d$830a8fe0$03bd2581@ryan-park>
Unfortunately, I was just able to verify Mike's news. This was online at http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoShowbiz/39_sh1.html -- the Toronto Sun's website. It doesn't mention the future of Rush, just news about Neil's wife.
RUSH DRUMMER'S WIFE DIES OF CANCER
By JANE STEVENSON -- Toronto Sun
Tragedy has struck Rush drummer Neil Peart again.
Peart's wife, Jacqueline Tayor, is dead from cancer almost one year after the couple lost their 19-year-old daughter last August in a single-car crash.
A spokesperson for Rush's Toronto-based management company confirmed that Peart's wife had died but declined to give details.
Peart's daughter, Serena Taylor, died when the Jeep she was driving left the westbound lane of Hwy. 401, and crashed near Brighton, Ont.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:10:22 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The World Cup Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980704160420.1858C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Simon Wilkins wrote:
> To ONLY the Argentinian jammer who posted about the England game the > other day... > > You couldnt score against a 10 man England > You couldnt score against a 10 man Holland > > and you lost 2-1 > and you are out
Hummm... This world is really twisted! I watch *every day* anything about the World Cup. But, today, I woke up at 3:40pm (yeah, PM, not am, mind you -- and the first thing that I always do "in the morning" is to check my email) and the last place I expected to know the score of the World Cup games was on Ytsejam.
Anyway, this means that Brazil will have to play with Holland. Ugh, your goalkeeper is really good, man.
> (Yes yes this is childish I know)
But the first post was also childish, so you don't have to worry.
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:15:48 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@webhost.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4035 Message-ID: <199807041915.PAA00127@antonia.webhost.cl>
> >Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:36:03 PDT >From: "Max Amundo" <maxamundo@hotmail.com> >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: What?... A man without his ytsejams is just sad... >Message-ID: <19980704163604.9867.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > For the time being, I have a woman. But until I put that, I thought >it was just a bunch of guys. Nothing wrong with that, I just thought it >was odd. > > I relistened to Optical Race, and it rocked out. I'm learning to >listen to music for the music it is, so I even liked the title track. I >just have to know, WHO THE HELL VOTED FOR TANGERINE DREAM ON THE UACM >POLL AT THE END OF LAST YEAR !?!?!?!? >ThanX in advance...
I did.
[and I've read your "WTF?" on tadream, too]
-- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include <disclaimer.h> // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:36:34 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LITS Message-ID: <19987416345476334@ix.netcom.com>
<<Hi, those who play Lines in the Sand, which of the following tabs do you prefer? (at 1:52)
e-----x-----x------------------------------ h-----3----3--------1-------------------- G----2----2-----0----------------------- D----o----o-----------3-------0--------- A----x-----x---------------3--------0---- E--- x-----x-------------------------------
or
e-----x-----x------------------------------ h-----3----3------------------------------ G----2----2--------5---------------------- D----o----o---5-------3-------0--------- A----x-----x---------------3--------0---- E--- x-----x-------------------------------
I guess it depends on personal choices, but I'm curious which way you'd prefer. Bye s.>>
actually, neither. I play it the way its tabbed in the FII guitar tab book:
e|---------------------------------------------------- b|----3----3---------------------------------------- G|----2---2-------5-------------------------------- D|----0---0-----------5----3----------------------- A|----0---0---------------------3-----5------------- E|-------------------------------------------5-------- B|----3---3------------------------------------------
I know its just about the same, but he is using the 7 string. BTW, how do you tune your 2nd string to an "h"? Thats gotta sound pretty cool ;-)
Matt
"I trust him to the end of the earth" "How far is that?" "about 15 minutes" -Ford Prefect
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 16:50:18 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: LITS Message-ID: <359D440A.6C37@caribe.net>
> actually, neither. I play it the way its tabbed in the FII guitar tab book: > > e|---------------------------------------------------- > b|----3----3---------------------------------------- > G|----2---2-------5-------------------------------- > D|----0---0-----------5----3----------------------- > A|----0---0---------------------3-----5------------- > E|-------------------------------------------5-------- > B|----3---3------------------------------------------ > > I know its just about the same, but he is using the 7 string. > BTW, how do you tune your 2nd string to an "h"? Thats > gotta sound pretty cool ;-) > > Matt > > "I trust him to the end of the earth" > "How far is that?" > "about 15 minutes"
Uh.. ok i may be wrong here but, since when did the FII transcription/tab book come out? and since when does jP use the 7 string for lins in the sand??
> > -Ford Prefect
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:23:58 -0600 From: Mauricio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: The World Cup Message-ID: <199807042123.QAA25744@academ10.mty.itesm.mx>
Is anybody else on the Jam following the World Cup? Some really good games have passed us by, and some even greater games are about to come! Holland played kickass today, and i m happy that Germany lost against Croatia by a 3-0 score. They didn=B4t (germany) deserve to pass.....but well.....
Sorry for the NTDC content...this kind of content should be present only once in 4 years anyway!
Mauricio
At 12:26 PM 4/07/98 -0700, you wrote: > >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Simon Wilkins wrote: > >> To ONLY the Argentinian jammer who posted about the England game the >> other day... >>=20 >> You couldnt score against a 10 man England >> You couldnt score against a 10 man Holland >>=20 >> and you lost 2-1 >> and you are out > > Hummm... This world is really twisted! I watch *every day* >anything about the World Cup. But, today, I woke up at 3:40pm (yeah, PM, >not am, mind you -- and the first thing that I always do "in the morning"= =20 >is to check my email) and the last place I expected to know the score of >the World Cup games was on Ytsejam. > > Anyway, this means that Brazil will have to play with Holland. >Ugh, your goalkeeper is really good, man. > >> (Yes yes this is childish I know) > > But the first post was also childish, so you don't have to worry. > > > []s, Roger... > >-- >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito > Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" > Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D >=20
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:48:01 +0100 From: "Tchzrech" <Tchzrech@netcomuk.co.uk> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Sorry... it's not DT related Message-ID: <01bda795$6af13400$c4e72ac2@rmb>
> > I'm just posting this: > > To all the english jammers... :o) > > Argentina 2(4)- England 2(3) > sorry, gotta say this...
It's a small comfort, but:
Holland 2 - Argentina 1
ha.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:11:19 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: The Soccerjam Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980704190107.985A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Tchzrech wrote:
> sorry, gotta say this... > > It's a small comfort, but: > > Holland 2 - Argentina 1
:-)
And what I really liked about Argentina being beaten by Holland was the fact that they were so full of themselves that they didn't even gave interviews to their *own* Argentinian reporters. C'mon, if that was what they planned (that lot of arrogance to end up with nothing more than losing the quarter finals -- the purpose of a World Cup is to win the World Cup; perhaps Passarela's got the idea somewhat twisted, you never know), then it didn't need all that pompous poses. :-))
Anyway, I'll be very happy even if Holland or Croatia wins the World Cup. They really deserve a high place (well, they've already proved that they have incredible national teams). But Croatia is really incredible, man. Winning from the Germany team was indeed an epic feat. I recognize that their teams are better than the Brazilian team.
[]s, Roger...
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