YTSEJAM Digest 4067
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4062
by "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
2) Re: Rudess-Morgenstein Project, where to get?
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
3) Re: Pink Floyd Prog?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
4) Re: Metropolis part II ?
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
5) Re: Symphony X
by Isabotage3@aol.com
6) Official word on new DT live CD
by Portnoy420@aol.com
7) Blind Guardian
by "Kouroumalis V. CSM BSc/Computing 2" <Vassilios.Kouroumalis@csm.uwe.ac.uk>
8) Amp Head vs. Pre/Power Amp combo
by Calvin6S@aol.com
9) Boredom and an excel spreadsheet can yeild some strange results...
by Mad dog <jhaveman@u.arizona.edu>
10) Re: Deep Purple, Savatage Boots, OAN
by "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
11) Recto vs. Triaxis
by Calvin6S@aol.com
12) RUSH
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
13) Re: Deep Purple, Savatage Boots, OAN
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
14) sorry
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
15) Re: Continuing to root out crap....
by AL <al@isd.net>
16) Tesh/Yanni/cd lists
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
17) Echos from TheCowGod
by AL <al@isd.net>
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:51:28 -0400
From: "Andrew Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4062
Message-ID: <19980715034744.SVTM13259@239157822worldnet.att.net>
Hello,
I'm one sheet to the wind, so please excuse any typing abnormalities that
may occur.
>It's acid jazz and the guitarist is Charlie Hunter
>with his new band Pound for Pound.
This guy is fucking amazing! Ogf course anyone taught by Joe Satriani would
be. This guy plays lines on that 8 string that boggle my ind. I definitely
recoomend his new ione "return of the candyman", though I don't know that I
woul;d peg him under5 acid jazz.
Korg's rebuttals are so much fun to read when you're into your second
glass of Johnnie Walker Black. Woo-hoo!
>does anyone know a reputable online source for the Rudess-
>Morgenstein Project CD?
Anyone looking for this CD? I can get it at my local Mom&Pop CD store. They
have it USED! I'd be more than willing to buy it fo uouy and pass it along.
Let me know! Also, I saw someone wanted to order Kng's CX Dogamn. I'll sell
you ine for$7. Interested? Anyone?
All right now, I've seen people listing Metallica as their favorite band
and I'm quite disappointed as to how they've done so. If you're too much of
a pnasy to sy you like Metallica, and have to say :old Metallica" then
don't bother postina a list. Fucki8n kneejerk wannabe Jammers...
' And to my list of must rent movies, after "After Dark, My Sweet" add
"white Sands". Yet another great overlloooker movie. I need a refill and a
piss break. Later!
Stodgers is fed up with life as is.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:51:14 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Rudess-Morgenstein Project, where to get?
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980714235114.00699b74@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
Paul T. wants to know:
>Also: does anyone know a reputable online source for the Rudess-
>Morgenstein Project CD? CDconnection listed it, but then about a
>week or two after I ordered it they said it wasn't available. Knights
>of the Round and Laser's Edge don't have it listed. Any other
>possibilities?
Well, you can get it from Rudess's website.
http://www.mediusvision.com/jordan/
Info 'bout the CD, soundclips from LTE and info about Jordan's two solo
discs as well as RMP.
Ta,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
Currently playing: Savatage -- "The Wake of Magellan"
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:00:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Prog?
Message-ID: <1998714235718341@ix.netcom.com>
<<Come to mind only Money, Mother and some others from the Wall has the nec=
essery change of beat 3/4-4/4 5/8-12/8 and so on.=20>>
Wish You Were Here has a lot of time changes in it. Shine on You Crazy Diamond
is, for the most part, in 6/4. Welcome to the Machine has some sig changes in it,
and Have a Cigar has a chorus that interchanges 4/4 and 5/4. I think Wish You
Were Here is in straight 4/4 though. Even some Gilmour - led Floyd had some time
changes in it. On the Turning Away has measures of 3/4, 4/4, and 5/4.
Matt
"chuckles wants REAL eggs."
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:08:13 -0500 (CDT)
From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Metropolis part II ?
Message-ID: <1998715053446334@ix.netcom.com>
I quote from a John Petrucci interview in Guitar World a few months back:
"The cool thing...is that we wrote a song called "Metropolis Part II." Its
25 minutes long and is in the spirit of the original "Metropolis."...we havent
recorded it yet, but its real sick....we gave ourselves complete creative
license to do whatever th hell we wanted. But we will record it. And its
probably the most insane thing we've ever written."
there you go.
Matt
"chuckles wants REAL eggs."
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:35:00 EDT
From: Isabotage3@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Symphony X
Message-ID: <bdd70d08.35ac3175@aol.com>
>BTW I need to know what I band I should check out for prog-metal. I'm
>thinking of Symphony X and Empty Tremor, but I'll have to order them through
>CDNow and they are imports.
Well I have not heard Empty Tremor, so I can't talk about them. But I can talk
about Cliche X, err I mean Symphony X. Yes, this band is talented, but I feel
they represent pretty much everything that is wrong with the progressive/power
metal genre.
The lyrics sound like they came out of a Castlevainia video game. They use the
word, "t'was" on numerous occasions. And who could forget song titles like "Of
Sins and Shadows," "The Witching Hour," and "The Eyes of Medusa." While
Symphony X has technical ability, their use of it is horrible. Michael Romeo
is superfuckin'fast on his axe. But his articulation, phrasing, and
accentuation are horrible. Not to mention the songwriting is weak. I own the
'Divnine Wings of Tragedy' and if this CD had any more holes in it, it would
taste great between a few pieces of bread and ham.
All of the previous is IMHO.
/me puts on flame retardent suit and throws more fuel in the flame thrower.
Isaac
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:42:19 EDT
From: Portnoy420@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Official word on new DT live CD
Message-ID: <4988a91.35ac332c@aol.com>
Hey all,
Just spent the week in the studio with Kevin Shirley mixing the live album.
Here's the latest details I can give.....
Dream Theater - Once in a LIVEtime
scheduled release date - Oct. 1998
CD1:
A Change of Seasons Pt.1 & 2
Puppies On Acid
Just Let Me Breathe
Voices
Take The Time
Keyboard solo
Lines In The Sand
Scarred
A Change of Seasons Pt.4
Ytse Jam
Drum solo
CD2:
Trial of Tears
Hollow Years
Take Away My Pain
Caught in a Web
Lie
Peruvian Skies
Guitar solo
Pull Me Under
Metropolis Pt.1
Learning To Live
A Change of Seasons Pt.7
Can't wait for you all to hear it.....
Also, It looks as if we might have an accompanying video as well...
More details as I have them.....
Mike Portnoy
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 06:04:11 +0100 (BST)
From: "Kouroumalis V. CSM BSc/Computing 2" <Vassilios.Kouroumalis@csm.uwe.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <199807150504.GAA16287@milly>
To answer the question about Blind Guardian:
Yes,Oliver of Sieges Even did record all bass on NightFall In Middle-Earth of Blind Guardian, replacing Hansi Kursch because he wanted to concentrate on his vocals.Judging from the vocals in NiME, an excellent choice. Oliver is currently touring with Blind Guardian in Europebut only as a session musician.
Grabbing the opportunity to talk about my second favourite band of all time:
If you are a JRR Tolkien fan and have especially liked "Silmarillion" get NiME. The music is more than excellent,and most importantly the Guardians managed to get the book's atmosphere out greatly and dress it with melody. The drumming is excellent and so are the vocals/choirs. Flemming Rasmussen is the producer and generally I can find no flaw inthe album. I managed to find an album that made me take LTE out of the CD player at last!:) Careful though...It is not DT stuff. It is power metal from Germany kinda like Helloween for those who dont know,only a bit more progressive, heavier, more melodic and excellent sound...
A must buy for metal fans,Tolkien fans....</advertisment>
See ya!
Vic
Vic's Dungeon:http://knossos.knossos.gr/~couroum
e:mail:vkouroum@csm.uwe.ac.uk
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:05:31 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Amp Head vs. Pre/Power Amp combo
Message-ID: <e2b28bd4.35ac389d@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/98 5:47:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mesa Buggie TriAxis and
> the Duel REc
This also brought about ANOTHER question. The TriAxis "recto" channel sounds
NOTHING like a recto. If Mesa can't get a pre/power amp combo to sound like a
Mesa head, there must be something to the whole HEAD thing.
I asked a Mesa rep and I received the best "theory" from him so far as to why
a head sounds different from a pre/power amp. I want to say why a head sounds
better, but that is a matter of opinion. His theory was a head sound
DIFFERENT because the power amp and pre amp section of the head share the same
power supply - as opposed to a pre/power combo. This to me has been the only
thought out reason of why a head sounds different. This Mesa rep also does
some amazing amp modification work so he is more than just a SALES GUY.
I was wondering what others have heard as to the reason for a difference. The
basic difference I always hear is that heads seem to have better definition -
especially for lower string fast picking.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:05:54 -0700 (MST)
From: Mad dog <jhaveman@u.arizona.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Boredom and an excel spreadsheet can yeild some strange results...
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980714214817.49880A-100000@f1n7.u.arizona.edu>
> From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org>
> Subject: Re: Non Prog... Oh, and some Prog too.
>
> what's with all the alphabetical ordered lists? are you guys just looking
> through your alphabetically ordered CDs and picking your faves, or do you
> have an excel spreadsheet all prepared for this or what?
You say that as if it's a bad thing...
Four band families account for 24.8% [1] (by CD running time) of my CD
collection. Each of the parent/main band is **'d below.
ABBA - Tori Amos - Bad Company - Bad Religion - The Beatles - David Bowie
- The Chemical Brothers - The Choir - The Crystal Method - **The Cure -
The Dandy Warhols - The Eagles - Peter Gabriel - Garbage - The Jesus and
Mary Chain - Mike Knott (etc) - Led Zeppelin - Live - Love and Rockets -
Lush - Moby - Nine Inch Nails - Oasis - Beth Orton - Pearl Jam - The
Prayer Chain - Queen - Radio Head - Ride - **The 77's - Simon and
Garfunkel - Smashing Pumpkins - **Spacemen 3 (etc) - The Violet Burning.
Actually, now that I look at it, I have more Marillion + Fish than any
other band family, but they're prog, so they're not listed.
For those interested (ie no-one) DT would be number 5 by CD running time
(I think), but probably would be #6 if I counted cassettes.
A "Mad dog shaven head bottle boy Freak" aka John Haveman
"Im Anfang war das Wort?" ... "Nein. Im Anfang war die Tat."
Goethe's Faust I - Scene III - as quoted in Phillip K. Dick's _Valis_
[1] This number is actually now a bit outdated. I've recently gotten a
few new albums (one each by Curve, LSU and U2) but haven't had a chance
to update fully.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:13:25 -0500
From: "Brian Hayden" <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Deep Purple, Savatage Boots, OAN
Message-ID: <35ac3a740455004@mhub3.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <H000026d01470472@MHS>
from ytsejam@ax.com:
>
>
> >That would be Parallels, and it's actually not their latest. Deep Purple has
> a
> >new album out now, the name of which I can't remember (doh). I've heard the
> >first single, and it's not bad, but it's not something I would pay money for
>
> >either.
> >
> >-Brian
>
> I guess you are referring to Purpendicular and their latest Abandon.
Okay, ignore me, I'm stupid. :-P Parallels? Where the hell did that come from?
-Brian
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:28:52 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Recto vs. Triaxis
Message-ID: <4a205a46.35ac3005@aol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/98 5:47:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
> Hey peoples,
> Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mesa Buggie TriAxis and
> the Duel REc? Sorry to resirect this thread, but you guys have the
> knowledge. Wellness.
> Matt B
I can ABSOLUTELY tell the difference between a TriAxis and a Dual Rectifier.
So much so that I went into the Mesa Boogie store to buy the TriAxis - and
after MUCHO testing - walked out with a Dual Rectifier. When it comes down to
PURE TONE - the Dual Rectifier (to me) is far superior. When it comes to
flexibility (changing to many different preprogrammed sounds), the Triaxis is
superior. I am a tone first, flexibility second type of guy. To me, if I
don't have the tone I want - I don't care how many different versions of
"almost good tone" I have. I think the Dual Rectifier is a superior Crunch
rhythm machine to just about anything I have ever heard. And let's face it -
most of what you play is rhythm - and usually crunch at that. I haven't been
able to achieve a "perfect" solo tone, but that doesn't mean I can't get a
very good solo tone out of it. In reality, you can coax just about any tone
out of the Rectifier - it is just done through toggle switches - so it isn't
exactly the DREAM live amp if it is all you have.
I would like to hear some others opinions on what type of LEAD tone they are
getting from their amp. BTW, the Triaxis does have an EXCELLENT clean tone.
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Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:07:10 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RUSH
Message-ID: <01bdafb6$cd92caa0$1c20c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
hi,
what are the tracklists on the Rush Cygnus and Critical Mass albums?
thanks,
Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"Out for my own, out to be free
One with my mind, they just can't see
No need to hear things that they say
Life is for my own to live my own way
See them try to bring the hammer down
No damn chains can hold me to the ground."
-Metallica
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:17:03 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Deep Purple, Savatage Boots, OAN
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980715031504.24711A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Brian Hayden wrote:
[Geometry on your Jam]
> > I guess you are referring to Purpendicular and their latest Abandon.
>
> Okay, ignore me, I'm stupid. :-P Parallels? Where the hell did that come
> from?
Hey, no problems with that... I wonder if I'll cause this sort of
problems when I release my album "Orthogonality" in the future. :-)
(No, it wasn't meant to be funny)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:15:16 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: sorry Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A558@ms.kallback.com>
> From: Xanadu Records <rsch1@idt.net> > > > Hey, > > > Would anyone (Marcel, Nick, Bahr, Felix?) care to post > > > comparing and contrasting the currently available FII cd boots > > > both for sound quality and track listing? > > > > > 1. Marcel's 'De Maaspoort' Den Bosch > > > 2. Nicky B's Fasten Your Seatbelts > > > 3. Bahr's Welcome to the Wasteland > > > 4. OAN's Static Progress > > > 5. In Germany 4/18/97 > > > 6. Others??? > *Pout* HEY! How come MINE didn't get mentioned? Oh well.... I've > got > the opening night of the FII tour from New Haven, CT on October 25, > 1997 > called A Sort Of Homecoming. Sorry, dude. I didn't know about yours at the time I posted that. I guess it would fall under #6! Trevor
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:13:40 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Continuing to root out crap.... Message-ID: <35AC56A4.A6CF9F6C@isd.net>
Steve's "johnson" said: Sorry, Steve Johnson that is...
>This guy spends thousands of dollars on gear, condemns whole categories
Read my lips... I DO NOT LIKE COUNTRY OR RAP, some people don't like sports :o) I'm entitled to like or dislike any thing I plea= se. Are you a Slim Whitman fan or something?
>of music and then spends money on KENNY G!!!! _KENNY G!!!!!_ Are you
That's an assumption on your part, the wife picked those two discs up. The live one I like, deal with it. What is your problem with Kenny G? Perhaps you=92re jealous because the only horn you play well has skin on = it.
>36 or 66? If you hold your breath long enough, like Mr. G, maybe you >can rid yourself of this disease. So anything you dislike is a disease? Arrogant, don't you think? (2 way = meaning here) I did nothing to deserve your post... Fuck off.
I sure hope your post raised your testosterone level enough to keep the family cat safe for another month or so...
Are we done being assholes now?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:42:09 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tesh/Yanni/cd lists Message-ID: <30434A6945ABD1119A3A00A024D1C34170A55A@ms.kallback.com>
> From: "Johnson, Steve" <steve.johnson@mcd.com> > >John Tesh, Yanni > Now, I know this may seem like adding fuel to a dead horse, but I just > don't get soulless music. Tesh and Yanni are so bombastic; like a > musical Barbara Walters special.... Hey! You leave JT and Yanni alone! They both kick ass, especially live.
> From: TheCowGod <dmc@dreamt.org> > >My faves, in no particular order (there's alot so I won't separate by > line) (snip alphabetical list) > no particular order? alphabetical maybe? you have no life. :) Moo. and again: > what's with all the alphabetical ordered lists? are you guys just > looking > through your alphabetically ordered CDs and picking your faves, or do > you > have an excel spreadsheet all prepared for this or what? Dude, when you have as many cd's as some of us do you have to have them alphabetized, as well as categorized and listed digitally somewhere. If anyone wants a bigass email of my 1400 cds email me. (Warning: list contains several Michael Bolton and Barry Manilow cds. Not responsible for your computer spontaneously exploding.)
Trevor
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:50:43 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Echos from TheCowGod Message-ID: <35AC5F53.297B4396@isd.net>
The YTSE Progtologist wrote: >>Alice In Chains - Alice Cooper (old), - Black Sabbath - Boston - The Cars - >>Cheap Trick - Cinderella - Deep Purple - Bruce Dickinson - The Doors - Dire >>Straits - Fleetwood Mac - Heart - Elton John - Krokus - Megadeth - Eddie >>Money - Motley Crue - Aldo Nova - Ted Nugent - Ozzy - Reo Speedwagon - >>Scorpions - AL Stewart - Styx (kinda prog) - 'Til Tuesday - Van Halen (old) - >>Whitesnake.
The bovine one wrote: >what's with all the alphabetical ordered lists? are you guys just looking >through your alphabetically ordered CDs and picking your faves, or do you >have an excel spreadsheet all prepared for this or what?
Yes, I think we are. No one asked what our fav's were, they asked what our "non-Prog" fav's were. I primarily listen to prog so a trip to the CD rack was necessary to refresh my memory. I have 374 discs to go through, I don't have them all committed to memory. My vinyl collection tops off somewhere just over 1200. Some of those have not seen the platter in over 2 decades. Just be thankful I didn't dig out those. That alone would have toped Alan Estrada's characters per year in one post. I have a lot of great music. I also have a fair share of stuff that flat out sucks. You just don't always know until you buy. I only keep the stuff to maintain a (I hate this word)> diverse collection. Someone somewhere will like it, who knows, I may be entertaining them for dinner some night..
>Oh, and fresh aire rocks. Yup, so does "Classical Gas", Don Dorsey's "Bachbusters" and many other "New Age" titles. Oh, Jazz kicks ass too...
>*** END OF TRANSMISSION ***
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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