YTSEJAM Digest 4795
Today's Topics:
1) finneus gauge
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
2) Part 2 of the Portnoy chronicles.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
3) Re: finneus gauge
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
4) reviews:NIGHTWISH, SYMPH X
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu>
5) Queensryche: some bad threads
by CptFufu@aol.com
6) OT: CD for Trade
by Vlee01@aol.com
7) prog 3x, DT moments
by JamesAhab@aol.com
8) macy in unpleasantville
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
9) keep it in the family
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
10) Re: keep it in the family
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Upcoming JP/MP clinics
by "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com>
12) help
by "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de>
13) help
by "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de>
14) Reviews (from N. Gallop)
by Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu>
15) Re: DT in Korea (Part 2)
by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@globalxs.nl>
16) Someone asked about Tribal Tech (NDTC)
by A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 20:41:48 -0700
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: finneus gauge
Message-ID: <4.1.19990408204057.00984d20@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
I want to make sure i am buying the right thing. Does Finneus Gauge, you
know, featuring former members of Echolyn, have an album out called More
once More? If so, CDnow has it for $13 or so. I want to buy it, but CDNow
has no info on it. Can anybody help me?
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:11:18 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Part 2 of the Portnoy chronicles.
Message-ID: <000201be8224$149b2ce0$4e0d84d0@default>
Part 4: What REALLY happened with Derek...
As far as what happened with Derek goes, there were absolutely no hard
feeling and it was a very hard thing for us to do. All four of us really
admire him and like him as a person, and it was a hard thing to do to let
him go. But, it was really just a business decision we decided that Jordan
was what we wanted and where we wanted to take the band in the future.
After John and I worked with him we thought why should we work with him part
time, let's work with him full-time. And it wasn't out of disrespect to
Derek, it was just what we thought was better for the band.
And if we didn't give ourselves that opportunity to try it, we would feel
short-changed. It's not like some of our previous members that never went
on to do anything, sort of just disappeared, ot did very low-key things.
Derek has always played with great people, he's always got great gigs, he
knows alot of people so, we're confident he'll continue his career playing
with whomever. There were no hard feelings, and honest I'm not
bullshitting. There's no other story behind it! Everyone saw the press
release and went "What's the real story?" But what the press release says is
the real story; there's nothing else behind it.
Hey, I'm a procrastinator. I'm only a week late with April Fools. :)
-- KorgX3 congratulates Mike on his diplomacy. Good answer!------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:26:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com> Subject: Re: finneus gauge Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9904082126350.8530-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> I want to make sure i am buying the right thing. Does Finneus Gauge, you > know, featuring former members of Echolyn, have an album out called More > once More? If so, CDnow has it for $13 or so. I want to buy it, but CDNow > has no info on it. Can anybody help me?
Yes. That's their debut release.
- mike.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: reviews:NIGHTWISH, SYMPH X Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990408183744.26396A-100000@bergman.umail.ucsb.edu>
I must first say that anyone who needs metal in the bay area should go to Rasputin's in Berkeley or Concord. They have tons of shit, lots of black metal and all the power/prog bands.
I picked up NIGHTWISH's 'Angels Fall First' and SYMPHONY X's 'Damnation Game' both USED for $17 total.
NIGHTWISH is awesome. It takes a second to adjust to opera vocals. Great atmosphere and playing. Pick this album up. I need to find 'Oceanborn' now. They can use stronger male singing, that guy should stick with playing his instrument. ALso, another guitar will help thicken the guitar sound a little.
The Symhpony X is pretty good. Nothing really to get too excited about. If I heard this a few years ago, I would have been really excited. Great playing but too similar to MALMSTEEN and STRATOVARUIS, etc.
I also read a rumor that said DIO would play with SABBATH/OZZY on their final show in LA. KICKK ASSSSSS
-- Conrad Chi uchic00@umail.ucsb.edu
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:56:48 EDT From: CptFufu@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Queensryche: some bad threads Message-ID: <eaa4735a.243eb860@aol.com>
First of all thanks to all who gave me some info on Queensryche, I'm definetly buying it. I almost wish I hadn't posted the question though. Thats because its brought on this whole debate about whether certain bands are prog or not prog. I just don't see the point of all the classifying, a good band is a good band, no matter what the label. Also, that person who totally trashed Queensryche, there is no point to that either. Its fine for you to not like a band, but you shouldn't just blatantly trash a band. Oh well, thanks again to the people who replied.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:15:48 EDT From: Vlee01@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: OT: CD for Trade Message-ID: <17f70718.243ebcd4@aol.com>
Hello. For anyone interested:
I have the German (?) version of Dream Theater's Hollow Years single CD featuring two versions of Hollow Years, a demo of You Not Me called You or Me, and an unreleased demo called The Way It Used to Be.
I would like to trade said CD for an original (not CD-R) of either DT's 1997 Christmas Fan Club CD or InstruMental I.
Interested parties please email me offlist and please excuse the waste of bandwidth.
Vivian vlee01@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:34:39 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: prog 3x, DT moments Message-ID: <297aac7b.243edd5f@aol.com>
>< this "is too!" "is not!" "uh huh!" "nuh uh!" thing isn't the best way to argue your point :) moo. ><
is too! =]
>< I was at work (in the Columbia (MO) Mall) when I overheard a girl saying something about what I thought was Dream Theater. I immediately stopped and said "what did you just say" and she told me. She said her ex-boyfriend, or something like that, was practically in love with the band, so I was like "hell yeah." ><
I was in my local `The Wall` a few weeks ago and Trial of Tears was playing over the store speakers. That was a fun DT moment. I started talking to the clerk, but she was quite attactive, so I just found myself saying, "uh, um, i mean, duh" etc.
Jim
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:10:42 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: macy in unpleasantville Message-ID: <19990409051043.95073.qmail@hotmail.com>
>2. To the person that said APSOG is a masterpiece - you smoke pounds >of weed every day.
I didn't go to the Hash Bash until all the main events were over! I swear!
>3. I have determined that Meshuggah's "Chaosphere" album is the rough >equivalent of what would happen if you ran a live human through a >wood chipper. Slowly. Very interesting stuff.
yeah.....this stuff should have been on the Fargo soundtrack, would have fit in beautifully (although i don't remember if the poor dude was alive at the time)
partha
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:40:05 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: keep it in the family Message-ID: <E04FDFCFDC87D21194D300A0C9D4BAFA0F3F20@ms.kallback.com>
So my little sister started seeing a guy and she said he likes Rush. Since I and both my bro-in-laws like Rush, I said "Anyone who like Rush is more than welcome to date my sister" (Well, not ANYone, but she doesn't know anyone on the jam) Then Sunday night he comes over to see her and he's wearing an Awake tour shirt and I'm like, "When's the wedding?!" ~Trevor
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:12:49 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: keep it in the family Message-ID: <000c01be828a$ac750340$690d84d0@default>
>night he comes over to see her and he's wearing >an Awake tour shirt and I'm like, "When's the wedding?!"
Isn't it absolutely sick, don't you think? *in his perfect Alanis voice*
I think many of us are like this. We listen to these real talented bands and such and it's an incredibly strong bond between all of us die-hards. It's like if I see someone walking down the road wearing a DT shirt, it's like instant friendship. Even though there are times when I've walked up to someone wearing an Awake shirt and said "Nice shirt" they just think I'm gay and hitting on them, most of the time people get all excited to hear it mentioned. I wear a Majesty button on my hat as an open invite for any DT fans to come up and say, "Hey, kickass!" :)
I think it's a little sick and something of a disgusting psycological disorder. Almost narcissistic in a way. And in the end, it's kind of cool. We're elitists or something. :)
It's kind of like how I feel some sort of strange understanding between any scumbags I see with long hair around here. Maybe it's just because there are so few of us, that we feel we need to stick together. Maybe it's not sick, but simply instinctive. Anyway, I've gotta head to work.
I'll let that thought just sit in there and bounce around fot the day. -- KorgX3 thinks lesbians make great pillows.
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:23:17 -0400 From: "Emerson, Michael J." <memerson@mail.PWCG.com> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Upcoming JP/MP clinics Message-ID: <BDBBCD37EA65D1119E9600A0C9982D75F01E67@PW03>
hey, everyone!
has anyone else realized what may 19th is, and how many other people (like me and almost everyone that i know...) are going to be occupied doing something else...god, that day should almost be a national holiday or something! (hmmm...'Star Wars Day'...kinda has a nice ring to it, eh?)
anyway, i'll probably try to make the other 2 clinics...take care, all!
mikE ____________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:26:11 +0200 From: "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: help Message-ID: <000401be829d$91a8fcc0$a6fafea9@Sprite.rhein-zeitung.de>
Hey all,
i guess i need some help. I just returned from my english-classes ( conversation ). For next week everybody has to prepare a topic, introduce it to the course and then discuss it. So i want to do a lyric analization of Space-Dye Vest. First i think it is a great chance to introduce DT to other people, second i love this song. I would be glad if some of you could post me your thoughts about the song, the music, the text. I would like to have many different interpretations to give the class an idea where to start. Otherwise i think there is maybe no discussion. You can post me privatly Gregor+AEA-rz-online.de or to the list, but i need your comments until monday. I hope to receive a lot of interesting thoughts and i am grateful for everyone. I am pretty sure that it will be an interesting class, and maybe one or two want to hear more of this great music.
Thanks
Gregor
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:36:04 +0200 From: "gregor" <gregor@rz-online.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: help Message-ID: <000201be829f$b2f27e40$d9dbfea9@Sprite.rhein-zeitung.de>
Hi all,
guess i need some help. I just returned from my English-class, and for next week i have to prepare a topic to discuss about, no matter what. So i want to give them the text of Space-Dye Vest for analization, also to listen of course. I would like to have comments from you about this song, so i can give the class different points of view to get them started. Please write me your interpretation, also about the relation text-sound, i am really interested in it. You can send it to me Gregor+AEA-rz-online.de or to the list, whatever you prefer. I need it until monday, so i hope to receive as many mails as possible. Thanks for your supply
Gregor
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Hilal <yhilal@cds.caltech.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Reviews (from N. Gallop) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990409085427.26839A-100000@line.cds.caltech.edu>
Latest reviews from Neil. Enjoy.
Younis Hilal------------------------yhilal@cds.caltech.edu
> Hi all > > here are the reviews I promised you recently - a real > mixed bag, and I think there is something for everybody > in this bunch. OK, sit down, crack open a beer and > have fun. > > AMORPHIS - Tuonela (Relapse Records 27361 63822) > > A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since > Amorphis released 'Elegy' - a lot of things have changed, > and so (fortunately) have Amorphis. With the exception > of one track, all the vocals are clean, and the guitars > take a more prominent place. However, the characteristic > Amorphis sound and feel are still very evident, in > particular the folklore elements. Harder and heavier than > the last album, Tuonela is possibly the band's best album > so far, and certainly one which should also win them some > new fans. It is, of course, trendy to knock bands who > move away from their roots, shouting "sell out, sell out" > (see what was written and said about Tiamat, Paradise > Lost, Anathema etc.), to which I say bollocks - a > rehashed version of "Elegy" or even "Tales From The > Thousand Lakes" would have been stagnation, whereas this > is a change for the better. 9/10 > > NEBULA - Let It Burn (Relapse Records RR 6991-2) > > This is an easy review. If you like Kyuss and Fu Manchu, > you will like this. Three ex-members of Fu Manchu have > got together to produce some solid blues/rock that has > got real drive. Raw and rough sounding with touches of > 70s psychedelia, bass powered, good times, beer drinking > music. The technically inclined amongst you might say > "but I can learn to play that in a day". So what? This > music just oozes good vibes and makes me want to drink > vast amounts of beer and grill big steaks. 9/10 > > SATURNUS - Paradise Belongs To You > (Euphonious Records PHONI 005) > > Denmark's answer to My Dying Bride? Possibly. A band > that plays excellent melodic, melancholy doom? Most > certainly. Sometimes slow and majestic with vocals that > are more recited than sung, sometimes with hard riffs > and the cookie monster, this album is ideal for simply > reflecting on the darker side of your soul, let yourself > go and drift in the mesmerizing web that Saturnus weaves. > Other similarities I can hear include Morbid Angel, early > Anathema and Celestial Season, Cemetary Of Scream. Nice > keyboard work that doesn't dominate or get bombastic, > everything atmospehric, the guitars crunchy when riffing > but clean when playing lead. If you're looking for stuff > that early My Dying Bride would have played had they > joined forces with Anathema, this is an album for you. > Long songs with complex structures go to give a nice > long 68 minutes of beautiful music. The twittering birds > that are used to link many of the songs remind me of > Pink Floyd (Granchester Meadows) and Tiamat. Well worth > 10/10. > > SATURNUS - For The Loveless Lonely Nights > (Euphonius Records PHONI 012) > > This mini CD continues where "Paradise Belongs To You" > left off. Now a six piece band, the sound is a bit fatter > and more mature, the songs a bit tighter. The cookie > monster now sounds like he's singing from the bowels of > the earth - the best of it's kind that I've heard for > a long time. What makes this album so interesting are > the two live tracks that were recorded at the Roskilde > festival in 97. If only all bands were this good live! > Everything just perfect, especially the vocals/choir at > the end of "Rise Of Nakkiel". If the aim of these two > tracks is to make people want to see the band live, > then they have succeeded. The last track is the real > highlight for me though. Very atmospheric keyboards > like mist drifting over a river in the twilight, barely > audible whispers and some very spaced-out Chinese temple > gongs. No traces of doom or metal, but very very goose > pimple inducing (reminds me of Anathema's "Dreaming: > The Romance" which is one of my favourite tracks by any > band). I do, however, have one little bitch (no, I'm > not talking about Tori Amos): the applause at the end of > the live section is too long and could have been cut off > earlier. But still a very impressive album by a young > band. 9/10 > > SPOCK'S BEARD - Day For Night (InsideOutMusic IOMCD 034) > > The man is simply a phenomenon. How does Neil Morse > manage to keep writing this stuff, one album after the > other, each excellent in it's own right, without either > running out of ideas or dropping his standards? I don't > know, but he's done it again, ably assisted by the other > bearded ones. This is, for me, simply THE progressive > band (note I didn't use the word metal). Dispite the > complexity of some of the songs and arrangements, > everything seems very light and just right. When I > started listening to the first track while enjoying a > cool beer or three at my CD dealers, a stupid dumb smile > planted itself in the middle of my fat face and refused > to go away until the last note of the last song had > faded. No other band manages to make me smile as much > as Spock's Beard. The fun these guys are having (and if > you've seen them live you'll know what I mean) seems to > be infectious. Everything is so playful, like a little > puppy dog dancing between your feet demanding your > undivided attention. All the distinguishing > characteristics of the earlier albums are there - Dave > Meros and his gutsy Rickenbacker bass sounds, Alan Morse > doing a trojan job on guitars, Ryo Okumoto with his > wonderfully warm and nostalgic Hammond and Mellotrons, > Nick D'Virgilio and his precise but flowing drumming > style, and of course Neil Morse with his unique vocals. > On this album the guys seem to have really hit it off. > Tighter than a nun's pussy, and some killer vocal > arrangements (listen to "Distance To The Sun" and try > not to be reminded of "Abbey Road"). And the bad thing > is, I know they'll be able to pull all of this stuff off > live - must be depressing for other bands. Possibly a > little more jazzy than the old albums, I also get the > impression that Neal and the guys have been listening > to a lot of Zappa before recording this - some fairly > experimental breaks in there ("Crack The Big Sky" for > example). The killer track is the 20 minute opus "The > Healing Colors Of Sound" which has so many Leitthemen > it could have been written by Richard Wagner. Add some > very effective horns and strings, and you end up with > a serious contender for the album of the year (with the > possible exception of Ulver, but I'll come to that soon). > And us lucky people who live in Germany can look forward > to the treat of seeing the Beard live in September. > It's a shame I can't give more than 10/10. > > ULVER - Themes From William Blake's The Marriage > Of Heaven And Hell (Jester Records Trick001) > > Difficult, very difficult. This is a concept album with > a difference. William Blake was an English romantic > painter and writer, and Ulver haven't just taken this > particular work as the basis for an album, rather they > have taken the complete work, word for word, and set it > to music. It's impossible to say what style of music, > though. This album is it's own style, it is the new > avantgarde. Unlike anything Ulver have done before, this > album blends metal, industrial, hip-hop, samples, > recitations, acoustic passages, driving riffs, doomy > elements, and a whole variety of vocal delivery styles > from both Garm (who masterminded this monster) and > a female singer. A challenging album, but one of the > most interesting and successful musical experiments. > A big "hats off" to Jester Records and Voices Of Wonder > for putting this album on the market: I don't think > they'll make much money from this, but they certainly > made me happy. Listening to this album is a very intense > experience - certainly not an album to play in the > background. This opus demands your full attention for > the full 100 minutes that it runs. Go at it with an open > mind and give it a try. This will certainly be in my top > 5 for 99 (and that with the new Tiamat album only 5 > months away). 10/10 > > stay safe and happy listening > Neil Gallop (neil.gallop@softwareag.com) > Currently playing: SLEEP - Jerusalem >
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:57:38 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: DT in Korea (Part 2) Message-ID: <7726F19316DC.AAA4F40@Iguanodon.big-orange.net>
Matt Teiper wrote:
> Funny how the string "Korea" did not appear in that article when > I did a site search...
I have the entire site re-indexed once a week. Ghostland's interview with Jordan Rudess was only added a few days ago and isn't in there yet... Just for fun, take a look at my new Spock's Beard site "Strange World"... It uses the same search engine service to allow people to search the lyrics for keywords... :)
http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/spocksbeard/
> So, what's the deal with this show? Anyone know any more > info about it?
I hadn't heard about it myself until I read the interview. The concert will be mentioned on the Tour Information page as soon as I have more details.
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: A Drummer <metropolis1999@yahoo.com> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Someone asked about Tribal Tech (NDTC) Message-ID: <19990409172806.7078.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>
>could anyone tell me about a band called tribal tech< >A man at a DT gig in june 98 told it was a jazz >version of DT,
I wouldn't call them a jazz version of DT as DT is a very structured band, and Tribal Tech is very off the cuff. I have many tapes of them live, and they never play the same thing twice. They are a tremendous band, but if you are looking for DT expect to be disappointed. If you are looking for a great fusion band influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra, and along the same experimental lines as Hellborg, Lane and Sipe and Allan Holdsworth, you will be extremely pleased.
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