YTSEJAM Digest 4798
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Why Derek is gone.
by "Trent C. Thornton" <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
by guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
3) Subject: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti
by Diablo6491@aol.com
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
by TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
5) Re: help
by Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
6) Led Yes = XYZ
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
7) Led Yes....
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
8) Bozzio
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
9) Derek...
by "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com>
10) Derek's not gone, he's just forgotten.
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net>
11) Petrucci's Rig, Meshuggah, Dimebag's new toy...
by Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
by Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
13) CDs to trade
by Ryan Roehrich <ryansr@primenet.com>
14) Sundance Instrumental Show available at LITS
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
15) Stepfather?
by mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org>
16) Re: Why Derek is gone.
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
17) Re: Why Derek is gone.
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
18) Re: DT Down Under
by Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:23:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Trent C. Thornton" <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Why Derek is gone.
Message-ID: <19990410192338.26781.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com>
--- Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> wrote:
>
> So Derek sucked on 'boards'? Get your head outta
> your ass, jackass, Derek is a
> great keyboardist, differing interests does not mean
> someone sucks when a lineup
> changes... What's next? You gonna say KevMo
> sucked???? You piss me off with your
> ego man... GEEZUZ PLEEZUZ
Mike would know man. He played in the same band as
Derek did. He has an unique perspective on the whole thing.
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*Trent
"I see a girl in the night with a baby in her hand. Under an old street light, near a garbage can. She's put the kid away, she's gone to get a hit. She hates her life and what she's done with it. That's one more kid that'll never go to school, never get to fall in love, never get to be cool."
Neil Young '71
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:11:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990410144101.16620A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Andy wrote:
> I don't know, I tend not to call a band with just a really fast guitar
> player and perhaps a few strange time signatures prog. I always look for
> something different, something mind-expanding. That's why I really
> started getting into bands like King Crimson about a year ago. They
> stretch the boundaries of what music is, and create something new and
> fresh, rather than just spouting off fast neoclassical riffs with a high
> singer. Metal, and even 'prog metal' like Angra and Symphony X seems too
> cliche, too formulaic to be truly considered prog by my definition.
> Actually, recently I've been describing the stuff I like more avant-garde
> than prog, to avoid confusing people. That's probably a better word.
> -Andy Putman
Well IMHO "new" does not necessarily mean "good" or "better". That was the
selling point of "alternative" in the early eighties, "hey, metal is
formulaic and all bands sound and dress the same, let's try something new,
with more feeling". Metal is like "baroque" in the sense that the genre
does impose constraints in the composer(s) and performers, and the
challenge is to produce interesting things under those constraints. You
should listen beyond "fast solos" and "high singers". It's like rejecting
books because they are made of paper.
I don't care if music is prog or not. BTW under your definition, a sampled
dog bark, sequenced properly could be considered prog. It's new, it's
fresh, it's not cliched and expands the boundaries of what music is. Some
may claim that it's mind-expanding in the sense of the higher awareness
that could be achieved of the canine self. Maybe prog-metal does not have
any relationship with "prog" and it could be better defined as "fusion" :
jazz-metal, symphony-metal, brazilian-metal etc. whatever you want.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:34:01 EDT
From: Diablo6491@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Subject: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti
Message-ID: <e03997ac.24410fb9@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/10/99 3:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@ax.com
writes:
<< >2. To the person that said APSOG is a masterpiece - you smoke pounds of
weed
>every day. >>
What does everyone NOT like about the album exactly? Its awesome.
Kevin sounds great, the music flows like its supposed to...its got prog
elements but it doesnt just stay in that territory, it explores a little,
though not too much. Its a good CD. I personaly only bought it because Kev
does the keys and piano work, but I dont regret it one bit...
Ray
-I'm already miles away...-
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:24:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheCowGod <demccor@clemson.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990410171911.9575E-100000@hubcap.clemson.edu>
> From: guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797
>
>
> I don't care if music is prog or not. BTW under your definition, a sampled
> dog bark, sequenced properly could be considered prog. It's new, it's
> fresh, it's not cliched and expands the boundaries of what music is. Some
actually, that kind of thing was done 40 years ago. it's called "musique
concrete." as an example, check out Edgard Varese's "Poeme Electronique".
musique concrete is using prerecorded sounds from real life, such as
humming, singing, bells, train noises, as well as material that is
generated electronically. moo.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:47:47 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <bplumb@pi-r-squared.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: help
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990410224747.006df930@pi-r-squared.com>
>I would be glad if some of you could post me your thoughts
>about the song, the music, the text.
>I would like to have many different interpretations to give the
>class an idea where to start. Otherwise i think there is maybe no
>discussion. You can post me privatly Gregor+AEA-rz-online.de or to the list,
>but i need your comments until monday.
>I hope to receive a lot of interesting thoughts and i am grateful for
>everyone. I am pretty sure that it will be an interesting class, and maybe
>one or two want to hear more of this great music.
While the lyrics of SDV are great, I don't really think there's much there
that's open to interpretation. It's all pretty clear. If you haven't read
Kevin's summary of the song in the FAQ, I suggest you do. My thoughts on the
song were pretty much echoed by Kev. Basically, imo, the song is about the
dark thoughts which enter a mind after the end of a serious relationship. I
would give a line by line interpretation, but I don't believe in them. I
believe songs should be viewed as a coherent whole.
Palpatine
Co Founder of Pi-R-Squared productions: www.pi-r-squared.com
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:34:25 -0400
From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Led Yes = XYZ
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990410183425.009ae620@pop.wam.umd.edu>
Partha wrote:
>that might have been cool, the progressivity of Yes combined with the
>thunder of Zep....
It happened.
XYZ: eX Yes & led Zeppelin
Jimmy Page (guitar), Chris Squire (vox/bass), and Alan White (drums) got
together and recorded a demo in the early '80s, but the 'band' never
continued on beyond that. I got ahold of the tape through a trade and,
while it's cool to hear, it's nothing incredible. One interesting thing is
that a lot of the XYZ songs later turned into '90s Yes songs ("Mind Drive"
on "Keys To Ascension" for instance). That's almost 20 years of sitting in
dormancy.
There was also another Zep hybrid somewhere back there called Black
Zeppelin. Ozzy Osbourne, John Bonham, Jimmy Page, and Geezer Butler, if
I'm remembering correctly (it might be Iommi and Jones rather than Page and
Butler). A very short-lived superhybridgroup. I don't think their demo
tapes have made it into the bootleg trading scene, if they even exist.
Brian
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Name:
W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
hender@wam.umd.edu
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
His Faithful Bootleg Page:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:27:06 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Led Yes....
Message-ID: <v04020a00b3358dc9143f@[194.8.196.4]>
Hi!
>70s or early 80s (i'm guessing early 80s) and it was talking about the
>potential for a brand new supergroup -- Led Yes
That was after the split of the Drama-era Yes. Only Alan White and Chris
Squire were left, and there were plans to start a band with Jimmy Page,
called XYZ (ex-Yes and Zeppelin). Original name, isn't it? Nevertheless, it
never worked out. Wouldn't have been that much of a supergroup anyway, I
think.
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:48:04 -600 From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bozzio Message-ID: <199904102351.SAA29709@london.btigate.com>
> No one, and I mean no one has as much independence as Terri Bozzio. > The man is the greatest solo drummer in the world (IMHO).
I must agree Bozzio is amazing, very diverse in his works too. He appeared on Japanese Visual artist Hide's first solo album, and his work on there is great!
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:55:31 -600 From: "Andrew Fors" <afors@btigate.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Derek... Message-ID: <199904102359.SAA01465@london.btigate.com>
> You know...I'm sure Mike wasn't serious there...but there's alot of > truth to the above:
I'm afraid I have to strongly disagree here....
> 1) Whether or not Derek was gay, his outfits certainly were.
Ok, this agree with.
> 2) His image DIDN'T suit the band.
This too. His image may not, but his style did.
> 3) He sucked at keyboards
Derek is one hell of a keyboard player. A much better technical player than Moore was. Moore was better at writing than he was at playing.
> 4) Although I'm quite sure that he didn't sequence shit, he did make a > great deal of mistakes.
I've not heard as many mistakes in Derek's playing as I did in Moore's Hell Moore messed up in the Live in Tokyo video... during Wait for Sleep I believe.
> 5) They DID bag his ass as soon as Jordan was available.
That's just a plain old fact. While yes, I did like the Moore days better, yes, I do think Jordan's days may be better, don't toos Derek aside like a piece of shit. He is a hell of a player, a real nice guy and an excellent writer. But when stacked against Kevin Moore and Jordan Rudess, he may not show all his potential in your eyes. I personally am worried about Jordan's style and sounds fitting in with DT. Derek did an excellent job of adapting to DT, IMO. Anyway, that's my .02.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:19:01 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Derek's not gone, he's just forgotten. Message-ID: <003401be83b9$4c0161e0$720d84d0@default>
>Mike would know man. He played in the same band as >Derek did. He has an unique perspective on the whole thing.
Did my second post ever make it through or did all of you guys jest happen to collectively (selectively?) press the page down key at that moment?
*clears throat* I made UP the first part. :P The second part is Mike's.
Capice? It was a business decision people! Derek kicks ass! -- KorgX3 played an 88-key weighted Kurzweil K2500 today. If I only had $4000. Where's the Wizard of Oz when you need him?
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:03:40 -0600 From: Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Petrucci's Rig, Meshuggah, Dimebag's new toy... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990410190339.006c2208@pop02.syspac.com>
At 05:18 PM 4/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > >If anyone wants to see an up close an personal pic of JP's rack, it's >the last page of Guitar Magazine with Dimebag Darrell on the cover. >Talk about a huge rack. For amps he's got a 2:90, Triaxis, Mark IV, Mark >IIC+ (I think) and two Dual Rectifiers.
two 2:90s, one TriAxis, two Mark IVs, Two dual recs, good ol mesa amp switcher, a TC electronics 2290, three lexicon units, and a ton of other beautiful "crap" too :)
What I thought was even more interesting than the insane rack system is the way he's running his effects now. Putting the dry tone down the middle, and the effects (through separate amps) down the left and right. Cool idea. If I had the money, I'd try it :)
>In that same mag, Platypus got a good review, even better than Tapehead >by King's X.
Yeah, and in Guitar world, there's a HUGE 4-page article on Meshuggah, and little bits about Hammerfall and some other metal bands.
Anyone played the Dimebag Warhead amp yet? Is it even out yet? From the article, it sounds like it's gonna be mean, but with Randalls, I have to hear it myself to believe they made a good amp :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff,
Vince LuPone Guitarist for Obscure http://www.ivorygate.com/obscure/
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman <ytse@goethe.baker.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4797 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990410170644.541A-100000@goethe.baker.rice.edu>
> Well IMHO "new" does not necessarily mean "good" or "better". That was the > selling point of "alternative" in the early eighties, "hey, metal is > formulaic and all bands sound and dress the same, let's try something new, > with more feeling". Metal is like "baroque" in the sense that the genre > does impose constraints in the composer(s) and performers, and the > challenge is to produce interesting things under those constraints. You > should listen beyond "fast solos" and "high singers". It's like rejecting > books because they are made of paper.
I'm not saying that I dislike all metal, and refuse to listen to the genre. I've got as many Metallica, Megadeth, and Anthrax albums as the next guy, and I've listened to the new crop of prog-metal groups. Heck, my current band gets annoyed at me because I inadvertantly throw metal licks into our songs :> I've just noticed that as I've gotten older, I've sort of lost the desire to own any more metal albums. Dream Theater is an exception; they've done some very interesting and beautiful things, and have sincerely moved me. Actually, metal is really only one part of their overall sound, and to me as a listener that's how it should be. Now, I won't deny that it's a lot of fun to play fast stuff, and when I sit down at the piano or pick up my guitar I often play baroque and metal stuff just because it's great fun, but now I don't even really listen to the stuff anymore. I don't know, I guess my listening tastes have progressed throughout my life : pop->metal->prog metal->classic prog->avant garde It's not that I dislike the stuff I used to listen to, it's just that it has ceased to challenge me, and I derive great intellectual and emotional pleasure from that challenge. -Andy Putman
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:40:59 -0700 From: Ryan Roehrich <ryansr@primenet.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: CDs to trade Message-ID: <4.2.0.32.19990410213253.009da380@pop.primenet.com>
Hello all! I've got 2 cds I'm not going to listen to and was wondering if anyone wanted to do a trade. I'm really looking to expand my boots collection and will trade for some CDRs of some DT, Savatage, Anthrax, or Shadow Gallery boots (do any exist with stuff off of Tyranny yet?). Anyhow, I'm looking to get rid of:
Royal Hunt - Paradox Encores, Legends & Paradox - ELP tribute (found out I'm not a ELP fan)
Thanks! Ryan
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:46:20 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Sundance Instrumental Show available at LITS Message-ID: <4.1.19990411004304.00a5b1f0@po7.mit.edu>
Hey everyone,
The 11/17/90 show Sundance show where Dream Theater played an all-instrumental show under the moniker Ytsejam is now available for download at Lines in the Sand in MP3 format. Let me warn you that the show is not of the greatest quality, but it is one of the most interesting Dream Theater shows ever. A Change of Seasons (original), a variety of keyboard, bass, guitar, and drum jams, and an amazing encore covers medley are the highlights of this show. I suggest you all definitely check this one out!
Take care, Bogie
---------------------------------------- Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ----------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:16:42 -0400 From: mjt <wilco@wybbs.mi.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Stepfather? Message-ID: <000501be83da$7d553d40$e78cc898@p233>
I know I must be earning quite the point-total in the "stupid questions" category for this list, but does anybody have an idea why, in the song Lie, the lyrics read "You can tell your stepfather I said so"? I think I am able to grasp most of the meaning of the song... but I can't seem to understand what that means. Any ideas?
mjt -- "Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding A pool in the shape of a heart." -- Kevin Moore of Dream Theater, "Space-Dye Vest" ICQ: 3856787
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:35:09 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Why Derek is gone. Message-ID: <37105EBC.15F2FBC@rollanet.org>
OK assmunch, I can take that I suppose, but who said anything about a head being up an ass?? LOL ;)
> Ooh, Poor Baby! > > Listen assmunch. If you couldn't tell that every damn thing I said in > that post was completely tongue in cheek, then you should get YOUR head > out of your ass! > > -mojoman >
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 03:43:39 -0500 From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Why Derek is gone. Message-ID: <371060BA.8650BC34@rollanet.org>
Tom Cox wrote:
> OK assmunch, I can take that I suppose, but who said anything about a head being up an > ass?? LOL ;) >
except for the fact that I said get yer head outta your ass, which was entirely sarcastic in the first place <---- was meant to go with the original post
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:51:24 +1000 (EST) From: Niall Connaughton <nconnaug@socs.uts.edu.au> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: DT Down Under Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9904111844310.7159-100000@sally>
< Please remember that I live in Australia - there's like four of us here on the Jam and probably double that at the most in Australia collectively. And I live on the Gold Coast! - the home of rapid unemployment, surf, skegs and grunge. After being a DT fan for just over 3 years now and hearing from no other fans in my area in that time, to have a fellow DT-ist just a few houses away is epic! >
I have been waiting for an appropriate topic to make my first post to the jam. I feel this is it. There are five of us on the jam now! I live in Sydney, and myself and my other DT enlightened fans total 8. So, maybe if we can get all the DT fans in Australia together into a small McDonalds or something, we could get DT to tour here :)
My cool DT moment was when I was on holidays heading out to central Australia, and we were in Broken Hill (population about 5,000). I saw a woman walking down the street wearing a DT tour shirt, but she got into her car before I could catch her :(
I've been listening to DT for 4 years now, and at the same time, slowly converting my friends across. Maybe by the time the members of DT are all about 50-60 years old and running low on cash, we'll have enough fans here for a re-union concert!
Keep jamming Niall
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