YTSEJAM Digest 4825
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Fat Rock Stars
by D2112T@aol.com
2) LTE2 cover
by Graham Borland <graham@epage.ltd.uk>
3) Re: Haji's Kitchen
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
4) DT Rumours! & Hey Mr. P.!
by "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de>
5) Re: DT Rumours! & Hey Mr. P.!
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
6) depressing cute metal vocals
by "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu>
7) Re: depressing cute metal vocals
by "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu>
8) Mike Portnoy Clinic Video on Ebay.com
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
9) re: Depressing Songs
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
10) Info, Depressing (Stripped Raped and Strangled, Fucked with a Knife)
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com>
11) AiC results in FiM
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
12) re: Depressing Music
by "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net>
13) Drums
by Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
14) Depressing Music.. Goth Goth?
by Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu>
15) Peart's Lyrics?
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
16) Depressing
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) Re: Layne Staley
by Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu>
18) NDTC: Fat Rox!
by d94-mry@nada.kth.se
19) Re: Layne Staley
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:35:58 EDT
From: D2112T@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Fat Rock Stars
Message-ID: <9f3989fc.2451a70e@aol.com>
Guys, you have it all wrong....
Their NOT fat, their big-boned :) A La Cartman
-darlene
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:42:55 +0100
From: Graham Borland <graham@epage.ltd.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: LTE2 cover
Message-ID: <48f7382688graham@epage.ltd.uk>
A scan of the LTE2 cover seems to have appeared at:
http://www.mediusvision.com/lte/index.html
I prefer the LTE1 cover.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Natr1stLaw@aol.com Subject: Re: Haji's Kitchen Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9904230718160.24868-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> The new Haji's Kitchen is Eniac Requiem. > > Rob Stankiewicz - Drums > Brett Stine - Keyboards > Scott Stine - Guitar > David Perry - Bass > Derek Taylor - Vocals/Guitar/Programming > > The entire CD "Space Eternal Void" was performed by Derek Taylor.
..but this isn't the new haji's kitchen lineup.
- m.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:19 +0200 From: "Christoph" <schroedhelm@gmx.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: DT Rumours! & Hey Mr. P.! Message-ID: <199904231207.FAA14284@knight.axnet.net>
Hi Jammers!
I=B4ve heard rumours, that the new DT album will be released in OCTOBER!!!= ! Any news about that?
Hey Mike P.! Happy Birthday and please tell us the new album comes as told before, in MAY!!!
desperately awaiting the new album,
Christoph
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:23:54 -0700 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: DT Rumours! & Hey Mr. P.! Message-ID: <37209E99.22279683@caribe.net>
Christoph wrote:
Hey Mike P.!
> Happy Birthday and please tell us the new album comes as told before, in > MAY!!! > > desperately awaiting the new album, > > Christoph
I dont remember that being said..what i remember was more along the lines of recording thru may and releasing it sometime later in the year...LTE 2 was the one going to be released in may, if i recall correctly, but then was pushed back till june...
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:02:03 -0500 From: "Joe Bissonnette" <Bissonnette@cdr.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: depressing cute metal vocals Message-ID: <8625675C.004AD7D1.00@domino.cdr.wisc.edu>
SJ Dodd bled: > > > Aerosmith (uhh, girlfriend is making me go) on Fri in Lafayette > You don't need to make excuses for seeing Aerosmith; it's not a > punishable offence. >
Not to pass judgement or anything, but Aerosmith is the hands down winner of the 'most commercial band of the decade' award. Sure I like some commercial music too, but I'm not proud of it. =)
> > << I'll know I'm really gone when I start thinking Britney Spears is cute. > > ~~Amanda >> > > > > But...she is. You could at least admit it. > Cute is never beautiful. Huh?
> > their sound is a mix of Alice in Chains' vocals (Jerry & Layne) with heavy > Oh dear. I don't know any of AIC's stuff, but I heard Mr Lame n' > Stale's attempts at "singing" on "Another Brick In The Wall pt2" from > the Faculty soundtrack. Now, leaving aside the almost unforgivable > string section (fire the producer, please), that's quite a good > interpretation of the original. It's clever, doing something > different with a great song. But then, of course, there's those > appalling slurred vocals - I think he really wants to be Shane > McGowan, but SMcG is interesting whereas Lame certainly ISN'T. > Do yourself a favor and get some AIC. Their vocals kick lots of ass. Their voices aren't 'pretty', but they get the job done, and they have some really rockin vocal parts. Although they really sound better when they're singing together than either one alone. Influential stuff, AIC. Haji's Kitchen is not the only band ripping off their stuff these days. I can't believe AIC broke up <sob>. They're the best band to come out of Seattle since QR.
> > Np: Extreme - III sides to every story > Oh dear. Let me guess, you've never heard this either? Try listening to music before you rip it. Awesome guitars on this album. And when they're not knee-deep in cheese the vocals aren't bad either. The final part, the 20 minute song with Michael Kamen is amazing. There are some shitty songs on this album, but it's still well worth a listen.
About depressing songs: Get some Savatage. Doesn't Matter Anyway, Believe, Somewhere In Time, Heal My Soul, A Little Too Far, Anymore, The Hourglass... half their songs are depressing. Their lyrics are always cool.
Biz
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:47:42 -0400 From: "Christopher J. Cerminara" <savaytse66@psu.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: depressing cute metal vocals Message-ID: <4.1.19990423104508.0098f100@email.psu.edu>
>About depressing songs: >Get some Savatage. Doesn't Matter Anyway, Believe, Somewhere In Time, Heal >My Soul, A Little Too Far, Anymore, The Hourglass... half their songs are >depressing. Their lyrics are always cool. > >Biz
And don't forget Alone You Breathe. Jon wrote in in memory of his brother Criss who died in a car accident in the early 90s. That song gets me every time.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Mike Portnoy Clinic Video on Ebay.com Message-ID: <19990423155856.16853.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
Attn: All drummers. If you want to get a hold of a MP drum clinic vid. Go to Ebay.com and do a search for Mike Portnoy.
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:20:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: re: Depressing Songs Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.95.990423161841.249D-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Alone You Breathe by Savatage. On the same lines, Believe from their earlier album Streets is much teh same way. Some of the same lyrics, even. Not so much because of Believe's Lyrics, but more teh atmosphere of the song and the singing style.
-- Bert
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:40:36 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@prognosis.com> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Info, Depressing (Stripped Raped and Strangled, Fucked with a Knife) Message-ID: <000d01be8da8$04c516c0$45739c83@madstation>
> > Just for the curious : Haji's Kitchen is a great band, a good definition of > Yeah they are an awesome band.
If you dig Haji's, check out Crimeny as well, and if you dig Crimeny, you NEED Eniac Requiem. Derek's best work (Taylor, not Sherinian).
> Anyone hear anything about Dali's Dilemma? I'm expecting that soon too, > I can't wait.
You mean besides Matt Guillory's ovarian cancer? And Jeremy's car accident in which he lost one arm and both legs (He still KILLS though!)? Great band. Too bad Pat moved to South Carolina to start a newt processing plant. You gotta follow your dreams, though.
> Last thing, did anyone see the Aghora review in the latest Metal Maniacs? > They called it the best demo of the issue. If you haven't heard their demo you're > missing out. laters
What is Metal Maniacs? Is that like one of those metal magazines that features KoRn, Slayer, Poison, Warrant and Deicide all in one issue? Aghora is pretty rippin'. What sucks: The mix. You can't hear jack shit on the bass. I'm not sure which songs are on the demo and which aren't, but you can hear the sequenced bass on Santiago's DR-5 better on the demos I've heard than you can hear DeLuca's bass on the songs he played on. Expect this album out in the summer in one form or another. Fans of Cynic, clear vocal chick singers, and modes of harmonic minor will be pleased. :) Interesting song writing. Santiago has a lot to offer, assuming there's a little more variety on the full album. Cool chops, and great drums by Reinert.
As far as depressing music is concerned,
Are you guys looking for "depressing" music or just music that's really emotionally deep? I find that a lot of doom and black metal has a very bland effect on me because I've heard the melodies in one form or another for ages (classical, folk, and 80's / early 90's metal/doom etc). For some people, all it seems to take is a female singer with enough reverb on her voice to sound like she's singing from inside the world's largest toilet, layered over detuned guitars, slow drums and maybe a keyboard pad. I need more than that. Personally, if I really want to get depressed, I turn on MTV. But if I'm looking for emotional music, there's a wealth of it and a whole spectrum of concepts to follow through on.
Wonderment: Michael Hedges, Aerial Boundaries You need to listen to it a lot before it sinks in. But it's amazing how atmospheric and all encompassing this guy could get with just one guitar, and no doubling, overdubs, etc. You don't even think about technique when you hear this... you just get transported off to another world. It reminds me of the books I was reading when I first got this (in 8th grade)... Piers Anthony stuff.
Malevolence: Marty Friedman, Dragon's Kiss Even the happy songs on this album have this undertone to them. Marty's choice of harmonies is just so brutalizing, it's awesome. You would think I'd choose something like "Deicide" for this category... but to me they're just a gimmick. I am not moved by their stuff. This is a melodic, metallic, sometimes full on shredding album. More thought was given to the music than to the shred content, you can tell. Deen Castronovo is UNRELENTING on this disc too. You hear this album and you will get an evil grin on your face and maybe go set something on fire.
Sweeping Drama: Jason Becker, Perpetual Burn This is like a play (minus annoying choral numbers and stupid costumes) in that it sweeps back and forth dramatically from happy, to sad, to hopeful, to inspirational etc. Jason is the master of making emotion come through on guitar. Very few can come near him in this quality, if you ask me.
Excitement: Any Iron Maiden before Blah Bailey Any time I hear Iron Maiden I get a rush of energy. Their middle albums are especially good at pumping in some adrenaline... man... every time I hear Tailgunner or the Trooper I am instantly forced to go nuts and drum on everything in sight (albeit poorly, as I'm a guitarist and can't drum for shit).
Depressing: Solitude Aeturnus Gotta go with Lenart here. These guys deserve the award, as far as I'm concerned. Man, you MUST get the first two albums somehow, though, because they certainly ARE the band's best work.
There's a lot more obviously... I think that all of my favorite albums have similar emotional ties... that's probably why I like them so much. Anyone else find this to be the case?
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: AiC results in FiM Message-ID: <19990423170528.20954.rocketmail@web135.yahoomail.com>
"Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> delighted us with his amazing feets of inflexibility:
Drum roll please...
> But then again, Pagey (Jimmy Page) on a bad day kicked > Hendrix's good-day arse ANYDAY!
And there he goes...an entire foot in his mouth! <Cue audience applause>
But the really amazing part is yet to come...
> Oh dear. I don't know any of AIC's stuff,... > NOT EVER PLAYING: Alice In Chains.
And yes folks! There it goes! Two entire feet in the mouth at the same time! A new Guiness World Record!
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:18:07 -0600 From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <radharc@aculink.net> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: re: Depressing Music Message-ID: <000f01be8dbe$064461c0$218726d1@morpheus>
Hmm. For something dark - gloomy, and sorta proggy, try "Elizium" by FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM.
-Geoffrey
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:48:03 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jon@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Drums Message-ID: <3720CE73.6533@parmetpc.volpe.dot.gov>
Parts of South America: http://www.daveweckl.com/tour.htm
NOW!
Parts of Western US:http://www.mediusvision.com/rod/concert.html
SOONER!
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:47:17 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum <mildew@ucla.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Depressing Music.. Goth Goth? Message-ID: <3720CE45.13A8E459@ucla.edu>
All right, move along people, nothing to see here, let the pseudo goth chick step on through. I highly recommend either of the three albums by Stabbing Westward, especially the 2nd one, Wither Blister Burn + Peel, which makes me want to rip my heart out. I couldn't listen to it for a while cus it is so utterly pained sounding. Now onto some goth music. Let me remind people that not all goth music is dark and depressing, some of it is poppy and upbreat, like Siouxsie and the Banshees. My recommendation here is Lycia. It is rather hard to find, and the lyrics don't intrigue me at all (typical goth sap) but you'll be pretty low by the end of any of their albums. You'll feel like you were in a funeral procession.
~~ aMANDA
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Peart's Lyrics? Message-ID: <19990423195414.7821.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com>
Jimbojorda@aol.com wrote:
>> William Kimbril wrote: <<No. Rush is probably my favorite band, >> except for their philosophy. Humanism.
> This line that you are commenting on--"if you choose not to decide, you > still have made a choice"--could be taken as acknowledgment that adopting > agnosticism as a philosophy is in fact taking a definitive position, no > more noncommittal than any, or it could be that Peart meant to emphasize his > belief that agnosticism is also a "human choice," thus supporting the > theme of the song--freewill.
Damn, I never read all of this into Peart's Freewill lyrics. I took the "still have made a choice" quote at face value, and applicable to many situations. Has Neil said that he was talking about Agnosticism with that? Was there some dissection of his songs on a Rush mailing list? Is Peart a Secular Humanist? Would that be a bad thing?
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:07:48 -0700 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Depressing Message-ID: <3720FD43.F0BE294A@caribe.net>
well another band that makes me depressed is portishead...specially their self titled album..its very dark and moody...and its wierd because at the same time its my #1 favorite album for listening on a date =)
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:23:36 -0500 From: Jim Shields <jimbob213@mail.utexas.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Layne Staley Message-ID: <l03130300b34686bc3ecc@[128.83.112.53]>
>Oh dear. I don't know any of AIC's stuff, but I heard Mr Lame n' >Stale's attempts at "singing" on "Another Brick In The Wall pt2" from >the Faculty soundtrack. listen to a bit more before you criticize. Staley is one of my favorite singers. listen to the (mostly) acoustic album, Jar of Flies. It has some of the coolest singing, harmonies, music, etc, I've heard for a while.
Jim Shields Guitar/vocals - Room 213 Undeclared Junior in Liberal Arts and Proud of it!
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:41:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: d94-mry@nada.kth.se To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: NDTC: Fat Rox! Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990423223809.10353A-100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Fat ppl rocks... two words for y'all: Pig Champion. Some of the other guys in Poison Idea ain't exactly skinny either. Plus they play the baddest american hardcore you'll ever hear.
/Mats - lordrosse@yahoo.com - md94-mry@nada.kth.se
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:40:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: Layne Staley Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990423163859.17799A-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
I agree on both points....one being that the "Wall" remake is easily one of the worst songs I've heard in a very long time.
I also agree that AIC has some kick-ass albums. "Dirt" happens to be my favorite, but all of them rock. I would also suggest "Above", by Mad Season, which has Staley, some guys from Pearl JAm and some other people (how's that for vague) - pretty good stuff on that album as well.
-Al
> >Oh dear. I don't know any of AIC's stuff, but I heard Mr Lame n' > >Stale's attempts at "singing" on "Another Brick In The Wall pt2" from > >the Faculty soundtrack. > listen to a bit more before you criticize. Staley is one of my favorite > singers. listen to the (mostly) acoustic album, Jar of Flies. It has some > of the coolest singing, harmonies, music, etc, I've heard for a while. > > Jim Shields > Guitar/vocals - Room 213 > Undeclared Junior in Liberal Arts and Proud of it! > >
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