YTSEJAM Digest 4921
Today's Topics:
1) Spock's Beard
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
2) Re: Spock's Beard
by "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
3) Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4920
by tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4920
by Calvin6S@aol.com
5) Re: March Of The Idiots
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4919
by bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
7) Re: March Of The Idiots
by trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com>
8) SB & pseudo intellect
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
9) Jordan's Ribbon around Jar Jar Binks
by Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4919
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
11) jimbojorda@aol.com
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
12) Can of Worms (+A for Bruce Frost)
by Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu>
13) Bruce Skolnick
by Compadre32@aol.com
14) Judas Priest MP3 wanted! (no DTC)
by Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4920
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
16) MoreMetal.com
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
17) When Dream and Day Unite -- Back Cover
by Jimbojorda@aol.com
18) Jordan and Kurzweil Lead Sounds
by Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com>
19) Re: When Dream and Day Unite -- Back Cover
by JamesAhab@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:48:57 -0500
From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990620234857.0129eaa4@pi-r-squared.com>
I must admit that I really didn't dig Spock's at first either.. I
thought they were a little too mellow for my taste, or cheesy, and nothing I
listened to could get me over that. But I was listening to Ytseradio one
night and I heard June.. soon after I went and downloaded the mp3 and I
enjoyed it a lot. After that I checked out some stuff from the light and it
really started to grow on me, and lately I can't get enough of them..
they're on my list of cd's to get at the moment (but things on that list are
likely to remain there for a while due to my lack of money). I for one, dig
Neal Morse's "cheesy lyrics" btw. I must say though that a couple of the
songs I've heard off of Day for Night are pretty annoying (ie Skin) but
Healing Colors of SOund just rules.
Palpatine
"Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel
"What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope
"Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage:
Somewhere in time
"So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an
overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:55:06 -0400
From: "Mike Patrick" <mvpatrick@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Spock's Beard
Message-ID: <001501bebb6f$f102a940$6da20418@CT466024-A.nblvil1.in.home.com>
>> something a little
>> heavier. I generally like music that
>> is richly layered
>>and textured, with powerful chords that just make me
>> shudder with
>> pleasure. Listening to SB, I felt like I was
>> listening to Peter, Paul
>> and Mary.
>> ~~Amanda
>Yeah baby yeah! There we go. I was expecting
>something a little louder too. It was hard to get
>past the lack of guitar-presence of any kind, but the
>PP&M vocals didn't help either. Great observation.
Pulling out of 'crap on Trent' mode and taking a deep breath, Mike says:
I LOVE 'richly layered and textured' stuff - that's why I love Jordan's
playing so much - some of his sounds are percussive as hell. Texture ALL
OVER the place...
I think Spock's Beard capitalizes on thick layers and textures as well.
Heck, Dave Meros's 'slap you in the face' bass tone alone is almost more
than I can stand!
Guitar-wise, (and as a general observation about the Beard as a whole) they
are one band that seems to have embraced the concept that NOT EVERYONE NEEDS
TO BE PLAYING 100% OF THE TIME, something most bands don't seem to grasp.
Alan Morse is the posterchild for the 'less is more' school of guitar
playing, and he pulls it off to wonderous results.
Which reminds me of a story I just heard and i don't remember who was
involved or in what context, but this young musician was playing with this
older legend, and the young guy said to the older one, 'You need to be
playing here.'
'No, I don't' said the legend.
'Why?' asks the younger player.
The older guy says, 'Which do you think is more effective, if I come in at
the beginning, play for six minutes and go out at the end, or if I come in
and out of the tune ten different times? I guarantee you'll take more
notice of my playing the more I come in and out'.
To recap:
1) Trent's not a bad guy, just Beard-challenged.
2) Amanda will attend her first Beard show yelling, 'Hey!!!!! Play 'Puff
the Magic Dragon'!!!!!' Her request will go unanswered.
3) I will go back to minding my own business.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 0:57:38 +0100
From: tomas.jutenfaldt@arrow.se
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Ang:YTSEJAM digest 4920
Message-ID: <TFSZTEHQ@arrow.se>
Hi!
I will be on vacation during week 25 & 26, and will be back in business on
the 5th of july.
Richard K„rrstr”m, here in the warehouse, will handle my phonecalls during
this time, but this job is new for him, so for more complicated matters,
please contact Fazil G”ker.
Best regards,
Tomas Jutenf„ldt
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:08:20 EDT
From: Calvin6S@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4920
Message-ID: <a8cecd4c.249edc74@aol.com>
> I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like prog, except
> for Genesis if you consider that prog.
How can anyone NOT consider Genesis prog
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:14:57 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: March Of The Idiots
Message-ID: <199906210014.RAA24077@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., trent thus begged:
>
>Neal, whatever. As for the "not one valid reason"
>thing, I think my voicing of the fact that I dislike
>the kind of vocal harmony that the band were
>performing is one such "valid reason". If you want
>more, I have more. I just wanted to keep my original
>post short and to the point.
>===
You may not like the vocal harmonies, that's a personal preference, but you
cannot deny they are musically great.
But then, what the fuck do you know? You've already shown your ignorance.
-The Doc
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:14:53 -0500 From: bplumb@pi-r-squared.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4919 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990621001453.01291c20@pi-r-squared.com>
>It's probably because anyone who has been on the Jam for longer than three >days should damn well know that there's a whole mess of folks around here >who consider Spock's Beard THE SHIT, and to post something so woefully >lacking in intelligence just makes us sit around scratching our heads, >saying, 'Could Trent really be that big an idiot? Gosh, perhaps I should >ignore whatever he says in perpetuity.'
Hmmm... This is a bit strong. About the only remark he made that I would classify as "ignorant" was the "it sounds like christian music" statement. That imo shows a little bit of immaturity on the part of the listener, but hell we're all immature sometimes. *shrug* There's no need for this kind of a reactionary post just because someone's opinion runs contrary to that of the jam.
Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: trent <cybertrent@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: March Of The Idiots Message-ID: <19990621010100.24678.rocketmail@web503.yahoomail.com>
--- "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com> wrote: > > You may not like the vocal harmonies, that's a > personal preference, but you > cannot deny they are musically great. > > But then, what the fuck do you know? You've already > shown your ignorance.
Hm, well I know how to spell "cat", 2+2=4 and the capital of Texas is Austin. What else do I need to know? :o)
Anyway, I don't care for the lyrics, but the singing is good, if a bit too harmonious for my taste. The guitar playing is good, even tho I must say I don't care for most of it. The bassist is talented and I do like that. Ditto for the drummer. The keyboardist is also talented.
What am I getting at? The individual musicians are good, but the music itself doesn't really suit me. This is a discussion list, not a zombie list so don't expect my opinion to change just b/c you and few others don't agree with it. === *Trent
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:17:00 EDT From: Jimbojorda@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: SB & pseudo intellect Message-ID: <74cc4742.249eec8c@aol.com>
(trent about SB) <<The cheesy lyrics alone will probably keep me out.>>
when was the last time a prog band had lyrics that were anything other than cheesy?? it's a trademark of the genre...
<<Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know, we know! I think everyone got your point after reading the first 2 sentences... was so much pseudo-intellectual fluff really necessary??? Sheesh! Jimbo!>>
i agree 100%... that's what i get for posting late-night! :) sorry guys
<<No, it means that you cant tell the cook how to do it better unless you know how>>
i think you misintrepeted what i was saying... in the post i was commenting on, the person was saying that he didn't like people "talking smack" about his music, since they can't do any better. this is not the same as claiming that they know how to "do it better" as you put it. my whole point (in so many words) was that even though i could not produce better music than Band X, i can still complain that "Band X is terrible." (and you seem to agree with this)
<<Whether you like the taste of the meal (which is what you mean when you say "it was terrible") is a subjective thing. You are right in claiming that that is your proviledge.>>
exactly. in the post i was commenting on, the author reffered to others' "talking smack" about music. i don't know about you, but to me this sounds like these people were merely giving their subjective evaluations of the music. blah :P just a miscommunication... we agree on the topic. hell, maybe the person who wrote original post i was attacking would agree with me. i wouldn't have commented--it's just that i've had people say that to me in regards to a band i don't like, and it's an annoying statement.
anyway, if anyone wants to continue this pointless thread that i began (oops), email me privately. thanks
DTC: if i recall correctly, MP&JP began their recent Boston clinic (and probably the other clinics too) with an LTE2 song... does anyone remember which one? i haven't gotten LTE2 yet and i'm trying to identify it (i taped it). thanks! _______ NP: SB - day for night (just to spite trent!)
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:46:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Hallum <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Ytsejam: Where Dream and Flames Unite" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Jordan's Ribbon around Jar Jar Binks Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.990620213900.13687A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:43:57 -0600 > From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Yeah, but if >I< can play it, it must >really< suck. > > > >there. I'm not asking if anyone here is BETTER than Jordan, but does > >anyone know if the board he uses can GET a better lead sound? It's a > >total song killer for me, hearing that tone! Man, I'm such a prick, but > > heheh. I dunno. I've played a couple of Kurzweil's, good ones, too, and > can't ever remember finding a lead sound that even resembled "Chewbacca on > Crack and Steroids." I totally agree wtih Chris, Derek's lead sounds rocked > the boat, and I think Derek's solos and odd sounds are my favorite things in > FII. Now, I love hearing Jordan do those sweet intricate piano runs and > I'll even admit I thought the accordian solo was a nice touch, but those > cheap plastic kazoo/non-decaying-violin sounding analog solos are dated, > imo. Unfortunately, that's all I can use for now on the X3, as that's all > it came with. > > What we need to do mostly, though, is introduce the Rude-man to a Korg > Trinity with a ribbon controller. Holy shit, those things are nuts. :) > It's amazing what they can do to a simple sound just tapping on them or > running your finger back and forth across them while playing. If Jordan had > one of these he would be unstoppable, I think. :) >
Actually, if I remember from all those clinics that I saw Jordan play at, the Kurzweil has a ribbon strip above the keyboard for just that cool thing. He plays the opening seconds of Don't Look Down (from the Rudess Morgenstein album) using the ribbon strip. He also abuses the pitch wheel from time to time as well, but that is irrelevant for this post. There are other places, but I don't remember them at this time. He has talked about what he can do with the strip in clinics, and this was one of the things he talked about.
-jeremy
A non keyboardist who likes keyboards.
+================================================================+ "Who's the soapbox derby king? Who's the soapbox derby king?" Vikings WR Cris Carter to Vikings WR Randy Moss on an ESPN commercial Minnesota Vikings: 1998 NFC Central Divison Champs!!!! +================================================================+ Jeremy Hallum, Assistant System Manager & Grad Student, Astronomy, Boston University/jhallum@bu.edu:::jhallum@dreamt.org
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:01:17 EDT From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4919 Message-ID: <1207c422.249ef6ed@aol.com>
Jordans keyboards had nothing to do with the beginning of Chewbacca. It was Tony's stick
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:09:45 -0500 From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: jimbojorda@aol.com Message-ID: <199906210210.VAA81272@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
WOW- Jimbo...take a cold shower. You seem to have a hang-up or something. Do you defend yourself and your beliefs alot? You seem to have your lecture memorized word for word. Nice job. When are your office hours? Will the philosophy exam be multiple choice or essay? Man, all I was sayin' was this: If some "fucker" is standing next to me talking shit about a band that I like, I'm going to ask him to get up on stage and do it himself. Not do it better than anyone, but to shut the hell up and give credit when credit is due. I doubt anyone who knocks Dream Theater knows shit from Shinola when it comes to the band and their music. Seriously. I don't really like Jerry Garcia (no flames for that please) but I'm sure that he had something, and I give his playing props. John Petrucci, however, is another story. So, in the future, if you ever hear me say anything that is "illogical logic" just shake your head and say "poor stoner lad's got his head all messed up...he's completely illogical. Captain Kirk, what shall we do?"
Ryan Good
"psychedelics are fantastic for instant feedback and intuition, but powders are terrible for vibes and for timing - generally the kind bud is our main cup of tea" -Seaweed, keys for Ozric Tentacles
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:09:47 -0500 From: Ryan Good <rtgood@students.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Can of Worms (+A for Bruce Frost) Message-ID: <199906210210.VAA81300@mail1.doit.wisc.edu>
Bruce- You answered for me what I would never have been able to get out of my head. That's exactly right.
>What you cannot say for example is "it needs >more butter" unless you are experienced in cooking. People make the mistake >of thinking those are the same things. When you appreciate something as a >listener it is different than when you critic things as a musician. They are >NOT EQUAL.
Thanks for speaking for me!!
Ryan N.P. Spektakel (Anyone know about this german band?) ____________________________________________________________________ WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO ____________________________________________________________________ "...and achieve it all with music that came quickly from afar..." - Yes, Close to the Edge ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://wsum.wisc.edu Host of Strong Progress, ...to be continued Home - 608-286-6747 Radio - 608-262-1206 ____________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:40:56 EDT From: Compadre32@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Bruce Skolnick Message-ID: <c58527f6.249f0038@aol.com>
Hey jammerz,
I am a HUGE fan of Testament....ive always admired the exceptional playing ability of former lead guitarist Bruce Skolnick. Ok...i was surfing around on the web aimlessly one night and saw a link to a "Bruce Skolnick solo project" website. I went totally apeshit. What i wanted to know is if any fellow jammerz had heard any of his solo material and if so, is it worth checking out. ive yet to find mp3 samples of any of his stuff either. I heard that his new stuff is very different than Testament, with a more jazzy feel. I am actually looking foward to hearing this fusion of speed metal and jazz. (if thats what it is) Oh well...im just looking for some feedback from people who know about the Skol Patrol (as they are known). Thanks
Compadre32
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:43:36 -0600 From: Vince LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Judas Priest MP3 wanted! (no DTC) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990620194334.006c4a10@pop02.syspac.com>
Hey, I'm looking for a high-quality MP3 of "The Hellion/Electric Eye" by Judas Priest. If anyone has one or knows where I can find one, please e-mail me privately the URL or FTP site address. Thanks a million!
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff,
Vince LuPone Guitarist for Obscure http://www.ivorygate.com/obscure/
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 23:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org> To: Calvin6S@aol.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4920 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906202326320.23999-100000@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu>
> > I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like prog, except > > for Genesis if you consider that prog. > > How can anyone NOT consider Genesis prog
They're probably referring to the mid-80's era Genesis (the mama album, invisible touch, we can't dance) where they almost toally abondoned the progressiveness that got them where they were. Thankfully, they returned to form with Ray Wilson with 'Calling All Stations' - one of my top 5 of 1997. I'm looking forward to the new Genesis album in 2000.
- mike.
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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:56:47 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: MoreMetal.com Message-ID: <000a01bebb9a$1562b260$0b3e88cf@jammer>
Anyone having trouble getting Dali's Dilemma just go over to http://www.MoreMetal.com and get it rather quickly. I got mine just about 1 week after I ordered it.
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:59:23 EDT From: Jimbojorda@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: When Dream and Day Unite -- Back Cover Message-ID: <9dffed47.249f20ab@aol.com>
Is it just my copy, or does everyone's WDADU back cover have a blue blotch with a strange shape on the T of track listing 7 (The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun)? If it isn't a printing error (only on my copy), what exactly is it?? Any ideas?
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bert Baldwin <rcb@vectorbd.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Jordan and Kurzweil Lead Sounds Message-ID: <Pine.SCO.3.91.990621005508.25701A-100000@vectorbd.vectorbd.com>
I think that Jordan's lead sounds are simply his personal taste. Particularly seeing as I own a 61-key version of his keyboard, and the sound that he uses for solos, patch number 40, is called "JR's lead."
There is NOTHING that one of those K2500s will not do. As much as I would like a Trinity myself, if you really want to dig into it, then Kurz will chew up the Trinity and spit it out. It has a ribbon controller, a massive 3-zone ribbon in fact, centered directly above the keys. There are 8 sliders on the front panel, all assignable, 10 switches, pitch wheel, mod wheel, continuous control pedal inputs (2 of them, I think), release velocity, aftertouch, all pedals, switches, controls, and everything are totally editable. All programs are editable, the sound architecture allows you to either create a near-perfect, pristine, crystal clear real instrument sound, or demolish a Grand Piano sample to the point at which it sounds like a windstorm (true!). There are no less than 799 open slots for user sounds on the "stock" K2500s, slightly less if upgrades take some of those. It is perfectly possible, and easy, to layer up to three of those sounds for a performance, and each sound individually can have up to 32 layers. So, it's possible to assign EVERY SINLGE KEY on an 88-note keyboard to have a different sound. Each of those 88 keys can have their own DSP algorithms, functions, LFOs, envelopes, and everything else imaginable.
So, as much as I would like a Trinity (or better yet the new Triton), don't you dare tell me that there's something my dear Kurz can't do. :)
-- Bert, a Kurzweil fanatic
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:10:17 EDT From: JamesAhab@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: When Dream and Day Unite -- Back Cover Message-ID: <24a551d1.249f2339@aol.com>
>< Is it just my copy, or does everyone's WDADU back cover have a blue blotch with a strange shape on the T of track listing 7 (The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun)? If it isn't a printing error (only on my copy), what exactly is it?? Any ideas? ><
It's on mine, too.
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