YTSEJAM Digest 4935
Today's Topics:
1) Various meaningless comments
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4933
by CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
3) Re: Ozric Tentacles in St. Louis
by Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
4) Re: To be Christian or not to be Christian . . .
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
5) Re: to be or not to be multiple christian melodies
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
6) Re: New DT Fans
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
7) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
8) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
9) Wherehouse Music/Symphony X
by Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
10) Awww... how cute....
by TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
11) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
12) Re: Musings about Myung
by jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.webzone.net>
13) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
14) Re: Genesis prog? YES!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) Re: Dogpile on Syrinx!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Planet X Full Album
by "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
17) Re: Dogpile on Syrinx!
by Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
18) sequencers
by "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:54:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Various meaningless comments
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.990623133925.13144A-100000@gs.bass.org>
Neil Gallop recently shared a rather revealing part of his "private" life:
<snip organ story>Currently playing: With - Myself
Good band, but usually a little heavy handed, and rather repetitive.
A jammer asked for prog bands recommendations featuring contrapuntal use.
My immediate reaction was a little known group called Jethro Tull. Talk
about tight arrangements.
Kurt mentioned Sevendust and tried to explain the singer's voice. A review
I read compared him to Corey Glover. The critic has a point, sorta, but
there's far more to it than that. Their eponymous debut album is a mighty
good one.
Chris wrote:
>Now let's hear some evidence for how you can sound like a Trinity without
>a Trinity, at which point I'll happily give you back the break I so
>rudely asked you to give me
It's this attitude that gives me that warm, fuzzy feeling all over.
*sniff*
paulW
NP Diana Krall: When I Look in Your Eyes
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:
She just loves me/ for my big dictionary/ She wants my vocabulary/
complete from A to Z.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:01:15 EDT
From: CHAZRUSHAM@aol.com
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4933
Message-ID: <bdc33957.24a27aeb@aol.com>
Personally I would hardly call sevendust a good band. All the songs
are the same. . . nothing really good there.
CHuck
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:01:45 -0500
From: Dale R Newberry <schnapster@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Ozric Tentacles in St. Louis
Message-ID: <19990623.130146.3398.0.schnapster@juno.com>
Hey, just letting anyone interested know taht Ozric Tentacles is
scheduled to play Mississippi Nights in St. Louis July 22. As of now, I
plan on being there, but you know how things can go sometime...
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: To be Christian or not to be Christian . . .
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990623141714.22306A-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 Diablo6491@aol.com wrote:
> There IS a such thing as Christian music actually. I don't see how your
> statement made any sense actually. Michael W. Smith and Jars of
> Clay(one of my favortie groups) have written such RELIGIOUS lyrics that
> its scary. Everything in their music is religious. The music is clean,
> the lyrics are holy(:>)
Why does religious music have to be clean? I think that religious metal
bands could probably be the coolest way to get the message across to a
newer generation (not that I want to force any religious beliefs I might
have down anybody's throat). If I were to want to listen to the music of
God, why not let it be heavy metal as opposed to that poppy, sappy music
of Michael W. Smith?
I may not be a deeply religious person, but I do know that religion likes
to spread the Word (it's written in the Bible that you should "spread the
Good News"). And what better way to spread the Word to the younger
generation than in a language that they understand?
That's my religious comment for the day.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are
mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK,
you're it.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: to be or not to be multiple christian melodies
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990623143403.22306C-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 22 Jun 1999 JamesAhab@aol.com wrote:
> Three immediately come to mind. King's X, Galactic Cowboys, and
> Savatage. Savatage doesn't use them every song, but they do the "row row
> row your boat" type counterpoint vocals, and no one does it better.
> Galactic Cowboys and King's X use vocal harmonies in just about every
> song. I much prefer GC over King's X. I don't care too much for KX, but
> they do good things with vocals.
Another one just popped into my head (after reading the "row row row your
boat" thing. Spock's Beard uses this in two songs that I can think of
(but then, I haven't heard anything off of Kindness to Strangers). Both
"Thoughts" off of Beware of Darkness and "Gibberish" off of Day For Night
use this kind of thing. They start with one melody, add the same melody
on at another point, and/or add different melodies (hence the true
"counterpoint" aspect of it) to make a really neat harmonic sound to their
a capella vocals.
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Andrew Coutermarsh
a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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The only stupid question is the one that is never
asked, except maybe "Don't you think it is about
time you audited my return?" or "But officer,
isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when,
in fact, I was speeding?"
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: New DT Fans
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990623144420.22306E-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
You know, I had an experience kinda like this just this past week. Right
now, I'm living in Williamstown, MA, as part of a summer professional
theatre project that I'm working as an Intern at (any "intern" jokes, and
I'll mailbomb you). Anyway, the first three days that I was here, I met
some friends, and we all adjourned to my and my roommate's room to listen
to music on my stereo. I started off with a really cool arrangement of a
rock version of Pachelbel's Kanon by a group named Thanks to Gravity, and
then I played them "State of Grace" and "Universal Mind" in that order
because I love the effect that is caused by the sudden jarring of the
beginning of UM after SoG. The first thing that one of the girls noted
was that it was really neat how much emotion can be brought out of an
instrumental band. The second thing was at the beginning of UM, and it
went something like this: "WOW, this is COOL!"
So far, I've played (for my roommate): Dream Theater, LTE, Spock's Beard,
and Symphony X, and he's loved ALL of them.
So I'm adding three tally marks to my list of prog-converts. That's three
out of three, mind you. I'm quite proud of myself.
- Andrew is acting smug because HE gets to work with people like Ethan
Hawke, David Scwimmer and Gwyneth Paltrow this summer. -
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:58:20 -0400
From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES!
Message-ID: <37713C5C.77107B7@frontierlogic.com>
SyrAss wrote:
>
> > You ask me to stop being part of the problem and instead, be part of the
> > solution??? I am being part of the solution. The solution to expose you
> > for what you are, a loser that thinks he's far more important than we
> > all know. Do us all a favor, and just stop speaking and posting. There
> > would probably be alot more Dream Theater fans out there on the net, if
> > they never bumped into you on the ytsejam or the newsgroups!
>
> Frank, I gotta thank you for making my position on this
> matter even more clear.
Glad to be of service, fuckface!
> I will not stoop down to your level, nor should
> anyone else for that matter.
Correction asshole. Up...stoop Up to my level. You're lower than
pondscum. Don't ever polute my inbox with shit from you again.
> Misery loves company, but I refuse to follow
> you.
I'm not miserable. I just think you're a cocksucking loser! Big
difference, Syrass!
> This is my last comment on the matter, so have fun spewing venom at
> others!
I'm not spewing venom at others...I am spewing venom at you. Die!
-m o j o m a n
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:39:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net
Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES!
Message-ID: <199906232039.QAA02244@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>
>> > Someone raised the question about whether Genesis was prog or not.
>> > Listen to early Genesis . . . maybe even mid-Genesis.
>>
>> Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where I can listen to
>> some of this? I was really into Genesis in the '80's, and the idea of
>> early "Prog" Genesis has piqued my interest...
>
> Ahhh, progressive genesis.
>
> But alas, I digress. Peter Gabriel (you know, the guy who does
>"Sledgehammer") was the original singer of Genesis - and Phil Collins was
>the 4th Genesis drummer (starting on their 3rd album, Nursery Cryme, in
>1971). Albums to check out: Selling England By The Pound (is there a
>greater progressive song in history than Firth Of Fifth?), Foxtrot
>(Watcher Of The Skies, Super's Ready, Get 'Em Out By
>Friday...even a Hackett solo) and the double-disc epic "The Lamb Lies Down
>On Broadway" - Gabriel's last on vocals.
>
> In 1976, PC took on the vocals - and his first two albums with
>them: A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering (both in 1976) are awsome
>albums to check out (with songs like Dance On A Volcano, Squonk, Eleventh
>Earl Of Mar and One For The Vine). Thankfully, I have a complete Genesis
>discogprahy (and whatever else is there) on my little website below. have
>a gander, win a prize.
>
Yeah, Genesis is one of the classic prog bands. I'd recommend
the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis albums over the Phil Collins ones. I
think the PC-era albums tend to be more mellow and they lack the
"oomph" of the earlier albums (for me). Keep in mind that none of
these albums are particularly heavy, they're just good. :-) They
create a powerful atmosphere and have strong melodies and vocals.
As above, I also recommend starting with "Selling England by
the Pound", and then moving on to "Foxtrot" (which has the 23 minute
song "Supper's Ready") or "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway".
If you like those Genesis albums, you may also like Marillion
(start with "Misplaced Childhood" or "Clutching at Straws") and
Discipline (try "Unfolded Like Staircase"). Those bands have their
own sound but they have an early-genesis "feel" to them.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:01:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <eernewe1@gnofn.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Wherehouse Music/Symphony X
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.990623155536.26080A-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>
Hey all,
I like Wherehouse a lot better than any other store. Used CD places can
offer the rarest finds. The other day I went there to get the new S.O.D.
album (metal) and looked in the used section. I found an original Poison
Open Up and Say Ahh.. CD in perfect condition (in case some aren't
familar, the original cover was banned in the US in 1988 because the cover
was too graphic) . It is in mint condition. Anyway, The reason Blockbuster
music was sold is beacuse Viacom (owns blockbuster, MTV, Vh1) wasn't
making money on the chain. New Orleans (where I live) is the only area
where they made money BC we don't have Best Buys or any other place that
sells CD's for 10-13 dollars.
I stumbled onto Lisa Marie's page, and downloaded a Symphony X song. They
are pretty good. Can anyone reccommend an alubum for a starter?
Kurt
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:03:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A <Matthew.Tedesco@Colorado.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Awww... how cute....
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.990623150052.18989B-100000@ucsub.colorado.edu>
If anyone ever puts together a Ytsejam yearbook, my vote for cutest
couple goes to....
As if there could be any doubt....
MOJOMAN AND SYRINX, ladies and gentlemen! Someone please get them a tiara
and scepter! Or maybe not... becasue guaranteed, if they vote over them,
it WON'T HAPPEN OVER PRIVATE E-MAIL.
--MATt
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:10:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Syrinx <syrinx@erotomania.org>
To: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com>
Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES!
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.9906231707460.28979-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > In 1976, PC took on the vocals - and his first two albums with
> >them: A Trick Of The Tail and Wind & Wuthering (both in 1976) are awsome
> >albums to check out (with songs like Dance On A Volcano, Squonk, Eleventh
> >Earl Of Mar and One For The Vine). Thankfully, I have a complete Genesis
> >discogprahy (and whatever else is there) on my little website below. have
> >a gander, win a prize.
> >
>
> Yeah, Genesis is one of the classic prog bands. I'd recommend
> the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis albums over the Phil Collins ones.
I would as well for those who want to discover the band with Peter
on vocals, but AToTT and W&W aren't bad either. Then again, neither is
Duke.
> As above, I also recommend starting with "Selling England by
> the Pound", and then moving on to "Foxtrot" (which has the 23 minute
> song "Supper's Ready") or "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"
> If you like those Genesis albums, you may also like Marillion
> (start with "Misplaced Childhood" or "Clutching at Straws") and
> Discipline (try "Unfolded Like Staircase"). Those bands have their
> own sound but they have an early-genesis "feel" to them.
I'm actually going to have to go against you on this. I feel that
the early Marillion stuff (again, it's just my opinion) is TOO much
genesisique for my tastes (not that is necessarily a bad thing!) so I like
the Hogarth era material alot more than the Fish era material. Again,
just my opinion.
- mike.
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erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 16:32:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <jjens@darkhorse.webzone.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: Re: Musings about Myung
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9906231626160.18700-100000@darkhorse.webzone.net>
On 06/21/99 10:02am, thus spake TEDESCO MATTHEW A:
| Myung once commented that he switched to the 6-string precisely because it
| afforded him greater economy. Given the demanding nature of the music,
| I'm not exactly sure in what ways he could be MORE economical....
Mr. Myung said (i think in one of the Bass Player articles) that 5 and 6
string basses are less positional in the way that one's fretting hand
doesn't have to change positions as much given the extra fingerings the
"extra" strings provide. or something like that :)
-- john jens jjens@webzone.net http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:33:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew <schew@tislabs.com> To: syrinx@erotomania.org (Syrinx) Cc: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES! Message-ID: <199906232133.RAA04815@clipper.gw.tislabs.com>
>> >> Yeah, Genesis is one of the classic prog bands. I'd recommend >> the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis albums over the Phil Collins ones. > > I would as well for those who want to discover the band with Peter >on vocals, but AToTT and W&W aren't bad either. Then again, neither is >Duke. > I didn't mean to imply they were bad, just that I didn't like them as much. I also feel that the Gabriel-era albums are somewhat more agressive and "proggy" which may appeal more to DT fans.
> >> If you like those Genesis albums, you may also like Marillion >> (start with "Misplaced Childhood" or "Clutching at Straws") and >> Discipline (try "Unfolded Like Staircase"). Those bands have their >> own sound but they have an early-genesis "feel" to them. > > I'm actually going to have to go against you on this. I feel that >the early Marillion stuff (again, it's just my opinion) is TOO much >genesisique for my tastes (not that is necessarily a bad thing!) so I like >the Hogarth era material alot more than the Fish era material. Again, >just my opinion. >
There's a definite division of taste over the older Marillion and newer Marillion. While I like many of the newer albums, like "Brave" and "Afraid of Sunlight", I *love* the earlier Marillion albums. The early Marillion's music and vocals have that "magical" sound for me that I&W and Awake do. I think that "Misplaced Childhood" and "Clutching at Straws" are especially strong overall. Of course, as you said, it's just my opinion. I can understand why others may not like the music or vocals as much as I do. I do see the influence by Genesis, but I also see it as being pretty different and original. For those who have no idea what we're talking about, you'll have to give Marillion a try for yourselves. :-)
Steve
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:38:55 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Genesis prog? YES! Message-ID: <199906232138.OAA15694@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Syrinx thus begged: > >> You ask me to stop being part of the problem and instead, be part of the >> solution??? I am being part of the solution. The solution to expose you >> for what you are, a loser that thinks he's far more important than we >> all know. Do us all a favor, and just stop speaking and posting. There >> would probably be alot more Dream Theater fans out there on the net, if >> they never bumped into you on the ytsejam or the newsgroups! > > Frank, I gotta thank you for making my position on this >matter even more clear. I will not stoop down to your level, nor should >anyone else for that matter. Misery loves company, but I refuse to follow >you. This is my last comment on the matter, so have fun spewing venom at >others!
Well, you know, I can understand Syrinx trying to be clear, but it's pretty sad when he dishes out misinformation, as in alt.music.dream-theater about who was from where on Explorer's Club... and as many of the free promos he gets, he can't even shovel them fast enough to clear his mailbox.
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:40:16 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Dogpile on Syrinx! Message-ID: <199906232140.OAA15724@gms.gmsnet.com>
Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., "Korg Ecksthrey" thus begged: > >> anyone else for that matter. Misery loves company, but I refuse to follow >> you. This is my last comment on the matter, so have fun spewing venom at > >Yah, I had a dream the other night that Syrinx really pissed me off and I'm >having a really difficult time separating fantasy from reality! Syrinx, you >cornhole! I should never have loaned you my library card, you bastard! >What's the first thing you do but go buy a bunch of CD's on it, violating my >virginity! Blah! :) Don't ever take Syrinx out for dinner cuz he'll just >eat all of the asparagus without even asking if you wanted any! Blah!
Syrinx doesn't buy CD's... every artist has to send him a CD for review first, he's the RIAA's clearing house.
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:49:53 +0200 From: "Bob Hiemstra" <bob@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Planet X Full Album Message-ID: <199906231452523@bob.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
I have just downloaded Planet X in mp3 format from the internet if anyone is interested in the url mail me
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:57:02 -0400 From: Frank Benenati <fmb@frontierlogic.com> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Dogpile on Syrinx! Message-ID: <3771582E.1322FBB2@frontierlogic.com>
"Dr. Mosh" wrote: > > Syrinx doesn't buy CD's... every artist has to send him a CD for review first, > he's the RIAA's clearing house.
He's the RIAA's Sucker of Cock....
-m o j o m a n
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "T. Beachler" <biggestmuff@yahoo.com> To: The Ytsejam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: sequencers Message-ID: <19990623223654.12660.rocketmail@web127.yahoomail.com>
I was just wanting some input on sequencers/drum machines. I bought an Alesis SR-16 drum machine about 2 years ago. I don't care for it that much. I'm wanting to buy something that is a great sounding drum machine and has the ability to program backing tracks (bass, keys, guitar). I've been reading up on the Boss DR-5. It seems like a decent sequencer. Are there any other brands that might be better or equivalent? I don't know much about sequencers. What features should I look for? Thanks in advance!
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