YTSEJAM Digest 5701
Today's Topics:
1) What is prog?
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
2) Old Ytsejams...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
3) CD organization
by "Rahul Ananda (Volt)" <a-rahula@microsoft.com>
4) Re: CD organization
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <stinkfist@digitalfeces.com>
5) Re: CD organization
by Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
6) Re: CD organization
by Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org>
7) Re: CD organization
by Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
8) Re: CD organization
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <stinkfist@digitalfeces.com>
9) Awake from Adelaide to Melbourne!
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
10) dreamer@otenet.gr
by Dave Barnett <dave-barnett@us.army.mil>
11) NEBESTY
by "Tufif de' Siks" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
12) Re: dreamer@otenet.gr
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
13) Yipes, it's Ben. Everyone take cover! :)
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net>
14) Organize CD list
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
15) stay a spell
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5700
by Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com>
17) top 5 of the year
by Dustro2@aol.com
18) RE: CD organization
by David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
19) RE: CD organization
by "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:17:21 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: What is prog?
Message-ID: <m146lN3-000IRMC@mail.interzone.com>
>>
>>I need your help on something. I am trying to organize my CD collection
>>(only about 250 strong right now...) by style, and I don't know what exactly
>>to classify as Prog (my largest style, by the way, with about 60).
>
>I'd say this: Unless you say to yourself "I'm in the mood to listen to
>some prog right now" then don't really bother organizing by genre. If you
>do get in the mood for prog, then build the section as the mood strikes
>you. Since it's your CD collection, your opinion on what is prog should
>count. If you don't hear a band as prog, then putting them in prog isn't
>going to help you find the music you want to listen to any easier.
>
>Unless, of course, the object is to open a record store or impress visitors
>as to how much prog you have in your collection... Then you might have to
>take other opinions into account.
>
I agree. Similar to the old science fiction definition: You
know somethings Prog when you hear it and think "that's Prog". :-)
Steve
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:19:23 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Old Ytsejams...
Message-ID: <m146lP1-000IRMC@mail.interzone.com>
>
>Well isn't this a little bit embarassing.
>
>Hi, my name is Ben Laussade. It's been a very long time since I've posted
>anything to this lovely lil' mailing list.
>
>I have a big big favor to ask. Perhaps anyone who was around back when I was
>around would be able to help. I'm having a mid-life crisis, and I find myself
>a little bit sad that I don't remember .001% of the super-witty, on topic,
>generally brilliant things I posted to this list for the year and a half or
>so I was on it. I looked around on the web and found archived jams, but the
>archiving doesn't start till conveniently right after I unsubbed.
>Soooooooooooo.....if anyone out there archived anything beFORE that, I'd be
>willing to sell my soul, plus one body part (of your choice!) if you,
>whomever (whoever?) you may be, would be so kind as to assist me in regaining
>these lost treasures. I was on here between (approximiately) jams 970-2000. I
>know that's a whole lot, but really any bit of it would be very cool. Thank
>you in advance.
>
Someone else recently asked about some old Ytsejams too. I had
said that I would go back and try to dig them up, but I gave up before I
found them. I guess I should make another attempt.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:35:47 -0800
From: "Rahul Ananda (Volt)" <a-rahula@microsoft.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CD organization
Message-ID: <AF9E69C4CBFA3C4AA40068F03A286145124045@RED-MSG-11.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
The most important thing to ask yourself is: what is progressive to you? I
know I have some stuff in my prog section that a lot of people wouldn't
consider progressive at all. Basically, it's your shit, and as has been
well documented here in the past, EVERYONE has a different idea of the
specific meaning of the word "progressive" when applied as an adjective to
musical styles. If you think, say, Faith No More is prog...then by all
means shove it in your prog section and screw anyone who tells you
otherwise.
My shit is seriously weird. None of my friends can make sense of my
organization system, but I think a lot of you would. I have older Metallica
(up until AJFA) in the progressive area, while the later stuff is simply
with my rock stuff. A lot of the old-school bands are broken up like this
in my collection. Genesis is another example...everything after the Duke
album is in plain 'ole rock. To further confuse the issue, Everything by
Yes up until Drama is in the prog section. Then 90125, Big Generator, and
Talk albums are in rock and then the rest are in prog again. Don't even get
me started on how I've broken up Rush. I probably just want attention.
Which leads me to the question: Do any of you other guys have some whacked
organization system? Anything akin to John Cusack's records in High
Fidelity?
-Rahul Ananda-
The Uppity Bitch
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:56:48 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <stinkfist@digitalfeces.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: CD organization
Message-ID: <000f01c06642$b2bf73a0$630d84d0@default>
> Do any of you other guys have some whacked
> organization system?
Yeah, I do. I sort my CD's alphabetically by artist/band name. Then, just
to show how wacky I am, I sort the albums, by artist, in chronological
order. Studio releases first, then singles, then live/bootleg albums.
Crazy shit, eh? ;)
-- KorgX3 has used computers all his life. What do you expect?------------------------------
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:19:59 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD organization Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214191725.00a84238@pop3.norton.antivirus>
At 06:45 PM 12/14/2000, you wrote: >Genesis is another example...everything after the Duke >album is in plain 'ole rock. To further confuse the issue, Everything by >Yes up until Drama is in the prog section. Then 90125, Big Generator, and >Talk albums are in rock and then the rest are in prog again. Don't even get >me started on how I've broken up Rush.
This paragraph is why I don't organize by genre. For me it's more important to keep the entire catalog of a band together, so I couldn't break up yes/rush, etc. between the "prog" and "non-prog" sections.
If I did do some organization, I'd probably do "obscure bands" and "popular bands" -- since just about all the obscure stuff I have is prog, that'd be a good enough breakout.
If I'm in the mood for Yes or Rush, then I know where to find those. When I say "I'm in the mood for some prog" then it's usually the lesser-known bands I'm after...
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:21:07 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect-lists@tinagh.org> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD organization Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001214192020.042a2390@pop3.norton.antivirus>
At 07:06 PM 12/14/2000, you wrote: >Studio releases first, then singles, then live/bootleg albums.
You mean you don't have the singles mixed in so that they appear right after the album they come from? Your system is total anarchy! How do you find anything at all? ;)
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 05:15:54 +0100 From: Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD organization Message-ID: <jUsT.aNoTheR.mEsSaGe.iD.97685380132695@fi.mailreader.com>
>order. Studio releases first, then singles, then live/bootleg albums. >Crazy shit, eh? ;)
hey, I do it almost exactly the same; Official releases, singles, boots.
amazing, isn't it?:)
Oddvar
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:47:38 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <stinkfist@digitalfeces.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: CD organization Message-ID: <001501c06652$2a87d3f0$630d84d0@default>
> You mean you don't have the singles mixed in so that they appear right > after the album they come from?
Actually, I used to do that once upon a time. :D I stopped in a fit of mild paranoia that I might accidentally mistake one for a dreamsicle and eat it. Since I re-organized, that fear has disappeared. Might be something to think about. -- KorgX3 thought he ate his "Lie" CD once, but fell asleep and dreamed that it was still there.
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:56:37 +1100 From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Awake from Adelaide to Melbourne! Message-ID: <000501c06653$683b2840$af4736cb@PaulTadday>
Paul...
Are you from Melbourne?? If so where???
Another Melbourne Paul!!
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Paul Ninnis <PaulN@TimeAndPeople.com.au> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: RE: actually about dt
> > > i just thought i would try something to get all of the > > lurkers (like me) out and talking, why doesn't > > everyone tell everyone else what their favorite thing > > about dream theater is. > > Ok, you've brought me out of the woodwork... > My initial experience was when I borrowed 'Awake' from > a friend, coz I wanted to listen to some different stuff > on the long drive from Adelaide to Melbourne... > (after being a big Queensryche fan for several years)
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:17:07 +0200 From: Dave Barnett <dave-barnett@us.army.mil> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: dreamer@otenet.gr Message-ID: <3A39A953.82C595B7@otenet.gr>
TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST.
I DO NOT WANT YOUR SPAM MAIL.
I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU ARE SELLING OR EVEN CARE.
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:27:52 -0500 From: "Tufif de' Siks" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: NEBESTY Message-ID: <LAW2-OE28q4gtopWd7K00000041@hotmail.com>
> Hello everyone: > > I need your help on something. I am trying to organize my CD collection > (only about 250 strong right now...) by style, and I don't know what exactly > to classify as
You mean you own CDs that aren't prog?!?!?
How dare yee post! ;)
Oh, and a big HOWDY to ytse-ben too.
Kevin Hammer Infinity Minus One http://www.infinityminusone.com http://mp3.com/infinityminusone
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: dreamer@otenet.gr Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012150126460.93635-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Dave Barnett wrote:
> TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST. > > I DO NOT WANT YOUR SPAM MAIL. > > I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU ARE SELLING OR EVEN CARE.
LOL. Ytse-Spam strikes again.
Just a small hint to whomever didn't get the message from this email. When you receive an email that looks like spam, and it's addressed from ytsejam@torchsong.com, it's NOT spamming you. Responding to it is only going to make the hundreds of people on the jam angry at you :)
Of course, this is only the people who are on ack mode. Anybody reading jam digests will still have to wade through the spam in order to read the real messages on the list (as if there ARE any, LOL).
NP: Creativity - Open the Wellspring (Amen for CD repair kits; I thought this CD was dead due to scratches, but a few microabrasive pads - read really fine sandpaper - and a polycoat for the CD worked wonders, it seems to be working again! WOOHOO)
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:07:15 -0500 From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@atl.mediaone.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yipes, it's Ben. Everyone take cover! :) Message-ID: <3A39FB63.4BC4@atl.mediaone.net>
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:11:28 EST > From: Laussade@aol.com > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Ohmigod ohmigod ohmiGOOOOD!!!!! > > Well isn't this a little bit embarassing.
Yea, like where the heck have YOU been hiding, bub?
> Hi, my name is Ben Laussade. It's been a very long time since I've posted > anything to this lovely lil' mailing list.
Yea, even longer than the time elapsed since Bafu posted to it. :)
> I have a big big favor to ask. Perhaps anyone who was around back when I was > around would be able to help. I'm having a mid-life crisis,
Yea, you must be all of, what? 20 now? :)
> and I find myself > a little bit sad that I don't remember .001% of the super-witty, on topic, > generally brilliant things I posted to this list for the year and a half or > so I was on it. I looked around on the web and found archived jams, but the > archiving doesn't start till conveniently right after I unsubbed.
There are many meanings that can be derived from this elegant timing. :)
> Soooooooooooo.....if anyone out there archived anything beFORE that, I'd be > willing to sell my soul, plus one body part (of your choice!) if you, > whomever (whoever?) you may be, would be so kind as to assist me in regaining > these lost treasures. I was on here between (approximiately) jams 970-2000. I > know that's a whole lot, but really any bit of it would be very cool. Thank > you in advance. > > Just as a warning...if nobody gets back to me on this, I'll restart the > Visual Music thread.
Aieeeeeee........
> The Artist Formerly Known as Ytse-Ben Laussade > (left my IGOD .sig file in my other pants, sorry)
hehe, welcome back, freak. (If you're gonna stick around, that is. :))
-- +--- Paul W. Cashman, pellaz@atl.mediaone.net ICQ 4151223 ----+ | Website: http://people.atl.mediaone.net/pellaz/ | | or www.paulcashman.com :) | +---------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:40:46 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: "'tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com'" <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com> Subject: Organize CD list Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D0F76@ISDCRE00>
An option could be to just list them alphabetically. I took a couple of hours and started a text file and just inserted or added as I went down the line.. I still keep it up to this day when I get new CDs. Just insert them into the proper slot or band.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tufif de' Siks [SMTP:tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:41 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: NEBESTY > > > > Hello everyone: > > > > I need your help on something. I am trying to organize my CD collection > > (only about 250 strong right now...) by style, and I don't know what > exactly > > to classify as > > You mean you own CDs that aren't prog?!?!? > > How dare yee post! > ;) > > Oh, and a big HOWDY to ytse-ben too. > > Kevin Hammer > Infinity Minus One > http://www.infinityminusone.com > http://mp3.com/infinityminusone
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:43:44 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Cc: "'dave-barnett@us.army.mil'" <dave-barnett@us.army.mil> Subject: stay a spell Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D0F77@ISDCRE00>
Dave, please don't leave our humble little OFFICIAL DT mailing list........ We love you Mr. Army man. Surely there was a reason you joined the list... You can't just wind up here by mistake. Don't you love Dream Theater? Sit down.....get comfortable.....stay a while.. Put AWAKE in the CD player.. The Spam Email is going to the LIST, not your personal email address. So please calm down soldier, you are loved ! :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Barnett [SMTP:dave-barnett@us.army.mil] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: dreamer@otenet.gr > > > TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST. > > I DO NOT WANT YOUR SPAM MAIL. > > I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU ARE SELLING OR EVEN CARE. >
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: Sum WhiteGuy <pokgaitsai@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5700 Message-ID: <20001215145056.20154.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:11:28 EST > From: Laussade@aol.com > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: Ohmigod ohmigod ohmiGOOOOD!!!!! > Message-ID: <79.d81ddc9.27698650@aol.com> > > > Well isn't this a little bit embarassing. > > Hi, my name is Ben Laussade. It's been a very long > time since I've posted > anything to this lovely lil' mailing list. >
Didn't we have a discussion of the list back then that your name is pronounced Ben LSOAD?
> > Just as a warning...if nobody gets back to me on > this, I'll restart the > Visual Music thread. >
Please no. Anything but that. Nor the writing while listening to DT thread.
> The Artist Formerly Known as Ytse-Ben Laussade > > (left my IGOD .sig file in my other pants, sorry) >
Jon. pokgaitsai@yahoo.com mau-tze@erols.com
NP: King Crimson, Heavy ConstruKction (Disc 3)
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:16:09 EST From: Dustro2@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: top 5 of the year Message-ID: <5b.f3c96fc.276bd609@aol.com>
please send me the list to submit my top 5 as well thanks
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:18:33 -0700 From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: CD organization Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E6175202A188C6@MESSAGING>
Woah - dude - I do mine EXACTLY the same way.
<butthead voice>This is the coolest thing that's ever happened.</butthead voice>
:)
David Dixon dixon@iisweb.com
-----Original Message----- ]From: Korg Ecksthrey [mailto:stinkfist@digitalfeces.com] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CD organization
> Do any of you other guys have some whacked > organization system?
Yeah, I do. I sort my CD's alphabetically by artist/band name. Then, just to show how wacky I am, I sort the albums, by artist, in chronological order. Studio releases first, then singles, then live/bootleg albums. Crazy shit, eh? ;) -- KorgX3 has used computers all his life. What do you expect?
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:12:00 -0600 From: "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: CD organization Message-ID: <000501c066fd$338224a0$340a64c0@compaq.net.mx>
i do my organizatios ALMOST the same way! the difference is that i includ= e the singles between the full album releases, chronologically, of course! = for example....FII, HY single, HY single (japanese), OiALT....etc...THEN the boots. With the exception of the Majesty demo, which goes right on the top of DT= =B4s releases, then WDADU, etc... i thought almost everyone did this, so i don=B4t consider it whacko stuff....but it might be anyway! Mauricio ----- Original Message ----- ]From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:34 PM Subject: RE: CD organization
> > Woah - dude - I do mine EXACTLY the same way. > > <butthead voice>This is the coolest thing that's ever happened.</butthe= ad > voice> > > :) > > David Dixon > dixon@iisweb.com > > -----Original Message----- > ]From: Korg Ecksthrey [mailto:stinkfist@digitalfeces.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 8:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: CD organization > > > > > Do any of you other guys have some whacked > > organization system? > > Yeah, I do. I sort my CD's alphabetically by artist/band name. Then, just > to show how wacky I am, I sort the albums, by artist, in chronological > order. Studio releases first, then singles, then live/bootleg albums. > Crazy shit, eh? ;) > -- > KorgX3 has used computers all his life. What do you expect?
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