YTSEJAM Digest 5454
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Hetfield singing
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
2) Re: Hetfield singing
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5453
by "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
4) MP meets X-MAS
by MelodyDrone@cs.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5453
by Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
6) Re: satch in Philly
by Fett2002@aol.com
7) Napster Stuff
by Fett2002@aol.com
8) Upcoming Division Jaxx Shows
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
9) Re: Galactic Cowboys :( weep weep
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
10) Re: effects etc
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
11) Pain of Salvation / Digital Ruin
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Blip on the screen
by Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu>
13) Height/Musicians
by IAmClay777@aol.com
14) Re: more metallica/Napster Stuff
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
15) Platypus chat
by Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com>
16) Re: Height/Musicians
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) Re: YESterdays
by "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com>
18) Re: Singers
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu>
19) Re: YESterdays
by WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu>
20) Metallica has your names...
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
21) Re: effects
by JSS1011@aol.com
22) Re: Metallica has your names...
by Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com>
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:41:04 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Hetfield singing
Message-ID: <B5338040.E8%schansen@cts.com>
on 5/1/00 6:39 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> I have to defend at least Hetfield, and The Backstreet Boys on this one. On
> "Load", "Reload" and "S&M", James's voice is better than it's ever been. The
> music sucks nowadays, but James's voice is great IMO.
Actually, at least for me, James' siging is one of the reasons I hate the
new stuff. I'll admit to having bought S&M and liking it, but even
Hetfield's singing the old stuff just sucks. It's not just his singing that
i hate about post-Justice Metallica, but it certainly plays a part. Anyone
else agree?
Setlist Scotty
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 21:53:27 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Hetfield singing
Message-ID: <390E3517.E142294@yunque.net>
Scott Hansen wrote:
> on 5/1/00 6:39 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>
> > I have to defend at least Hetfield, and The Backstreet Boys on this one. On
> > "Load", "Reload" and "S&M", James's voice is better than it's ever been. The
> > music sucks nowadays, but James's voice is great IMO.
>
> Actually, at least for me, James' siging is one of the reasons I hate the
> new stuff. I'll admit to having bought S&M and liking it, but even
> Hetfield's singing the old stuff just sucks. It's not just his singing that
> i hate about post-Justice Metallica, but it certainly plays a part. Anyone
> else agree?
>
> Setlist Scotty
Yeah i remember this special or something where he was talking about his singing
in the black
album and he said that he tried to sing instead of yelling in key... well i'd
rather hear him "yell in key" than
the shit hes trying to pull with his voice lately... still i really enjoy their
S/T album and his singing
on it though..
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
Opeth : Benighted
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:18:28 EST
From: "M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5453
Message-ID: <20000502031828.95072.qmail@hotmail.com>
>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
>Subject: YESterdays
>I'm impressed.. You mentioned O of S.. That's something only
>a hardcore Yes fan would be familiar with. I have that on vinyl.
first album I ever bought for myself. kinda sucks being 14,
jobless, and looking through the USED RECORD section of a music
store for something interesting. The artwork sold me.
Since then, my music collection has only gotten weirder...
>(Has it been released on CD?) yeah right.. :)
actually... yes...
I originally got mine through import (Japanese, no extra
goodies) several years ago. However, as I was looking
through the new age section of Camelot last year, I
found a domestic copy. While NFTE had been claiming that
it would be rereleased, I didn't expect to see it at
A FRICKIN' MAJOR RETAIL CHAIN! ;)
It was promptly snapped up and shipped to a friend in
Canada. That's the last I've seen of the album anywhere.
D/J
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:42:36 EDT
From: MelodyDrone@cs.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: MP meets X-MAS
Message-ID: <a6.3c378b4.263fa8ac@cs.com>
Hey I was wondering if anybody on the list is any bands with complete songs
for download from mp3.com or just their own site......and
Being that I don't have the x-mas fanclub yet, I was wandering if all the
songs are out of the studio, or if some of them are live ones that they
played in the past, or even if they reworked some in the studio solely for
the fanclub cd?
please answer, I have enough things to worry about as it is
Melody Drone
-curiousity killed the cat-
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:23:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matthew Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5453
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000501211859.16240A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Good 'ole Al wrote:
<<M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com wrote:
>Jon should be locked in a room and forced to listen to Olias
>until he reclaims some of what he's forsaken... but that's
>just my opinion ;)
I'm impressed.. You mentioned O of S.. That's something only
a hardcore Yes fan would be familiar with. I have that on vinyl.
(Has it been released on CD?) yeah right.. :)
[ It actually is out on CD... Germany and Japan I think were two
countrires that legally pressed them. I hear the Japanese one is the
better of the two, but i was able to find the German one used in
prog-forsaken Eugene, OR for $9.00 ]
Personally, I think "The Ladder" is some of their best work in
over two decades. None of their stuff was really BAD, particularly
in contrast with what was being played on the radio by competing
acts. I was not a huge fan of the TR years. Hell, I thought things
started to decline after Relayer...
[ Agreed (though I love Awaken... you can stop laughing now)... I made
a 23-minute song out of half of Tormato that I think works better than
the album itself ^_^ -- I did like Drama quite a bit... But yes, TL is
a great album -- the only song I skip is If Only You Knew, but even it
is nice when you actually have a girlfriend. ^_^ New Languages kicks
my ass every time so far. Here's hoping the tour this summer actually
will be a fan-influenced set like they've touted on their web-page...
Maybe we'll actually hear Gates live again... *shudder, splurt* ]
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist>>--Matt
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:51:00 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: satch in Philly Message-ID: <b4.4b813c6.263fc6c4@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/1/00 9:34:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Why didn't somebody tell me that expedia.com SUCKS? Well, them and the entire city of philadelphia. Satch was playing some venue called the Electric Factory which is on Willow St >>
Someone gave you really bad info. The Electric Factory is on 7th Street between Spring Garden and Callowhill. In fact, it should say so right on the ticket.
>have a question, do short guys have a predisposition to be better >guitar players or even perhaps better musicians in general???
Maybe they feel outcast because of their height nad so start practicing a lot of guitar? Ya never see tallk guitarists or any musician or that matter (at least not that I can think of. Sebastian Bach was (is) a pretty tall dude but that's it).
>Satch, >Pettrucci, Stu Hamm, Dimebag Darrell, Rod Morgenstein, Ronny James Dio - >none of 'em are over 5'7"
Don't forget Angus Young. The guy's like 5'0 or something! -Mike C.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:56:45 EDT From: Fett2002@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Napster Stuff Message-ID: <e2.3d9b15d.263fc81d@aol.com>
In a message dated 5/1/00 9:34:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes:
<< Here we go again... Since I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I was able to get a sneak preview at Metallica'a attempt to explain themselves. James and Jason were on a local radio station this weekend and the DJ asked them about the lawsuit. Their explanation sounded pretty lame. They started by saying that "it's not about the money, it's about the principle", but then went on to say things like "this is how we make a living", and "we can't allow people to rip us off", and "music for art's sake is BS, it's a business and we depend on that money". (Paraphrased quotes, I didn't record it or anything). >>
This whole deal suprises me (maybe I'm the only one though?). Metallica generally is really cool with stuff like bootlegs. In their own fan club magazine they have a section devoted to them. They allow (or at least used to) people at their shows to video their concerts. So I would figure that this shouldn't be too much different. Yeah, it's their actual recordings but they make so much money anyway that it doesn't matter. Plus, Napster's just one outlet for mp3s. The things are all over the place. Oh well..... -Mike
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:24:30 EDT From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Upcoming Division Jaxx Shows Message-ID: <20000502062430.87259.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi, Can I get some info on the upcoming Jaxx shows for the band Division? (Mike?) I'm interested in attending but need some info such as cover, 21+?, and is it public transportation accessible or is some jammer willing to give me a ride? Also if you need a roadie or some sound tech help, I'd be more than happy to provide you with a set of hands who knows decently what they're doing. Thanx!
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:23:37 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys :( weep weep Message-ID: <20000502.013453.-98889.7.Kurt.Hampton@juno.com>
This truly is a sad day, the 2nd band I got into becasue of dream theater (Fates Warning, was the first) is calling it quits. I email ben form time to time. He said (b4 the split was annouced) that they weren't going to tour anymore because its too expensive, and Monty's son is in college now, Ben wife had a baby, their pussying out J/K sad to see them go. I really liked them. Ohh well theres always Dream Theater, Queensryche, Fates Warning, Megadeth (Al put em back on da map) Savatage (took of da map) and other cool stuffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff and stuff.
Kurt
"At least study the language before you talk to me" -James Labrie Tokyo Japan 1995
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 00:48:56 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: effects etc Message-ID: <001e01bfb400$b0656d20$b3d3fea9@madstation>
> From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> > Subject: Re: effects etc
> Right now I have my MPX-1 in the FX loop of my Mark IV head. I want > to get some sort of switching system set up so that I can change both > the patch on the MPX-1 and the channel on my Mark IV with one > switch. Is there anything that can do this?
The Ground Control by Digital Music Corp. and I BELIEVE the Lexicon MPX R-1, if you want to stick to the same brand, can do this. If you want to opt for the Lex, write csupport@lexicon.com to ask them, beforehand. A friend was looking into using it for switching on a Mesa Nomad, and he said they have specific things that allow you to save it as midi program data, so that on different patches/presets it will change amp channels as well. I understand there was some simple wiring modification necessary to do this. I know the Ground Control does it, but you may need to get one of the add ons to the pedalboard to pull it off. I still have a Ground Control... may be selling it soon now that I'm using an R-1. I'll let you know if I ebay, if you're interested.
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:53:10 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pain of Salvation / Digital Ruin Message-ID: <001201bfb403$147cfba0$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Scott Hansen said: > Now - about this band Pain of Salvation - you guys got me intrigued - I > wanna check these guys out, but would like to hear some samples of their > stuff before I buy one of their CDs. Do they have an official web site with > samples, or does someone have a web site that does have samples I can > download (preferably mp3s)?
There's a few samples at the official page: http://www.algonet.se/~gilden/Home.htm
If you want some full MP3s let me know. Perhaps I can rip a few and send them via ICQ (or whatever).
> > Yes, you can get the first Digital Ruin CD as it is still in print. The > > Name of the CD is "Listen" This is the first DR CD I got and I really > > liked the dark and moody atmosphere on it. The new one "Dwelling In The > > Out" is to me even moodier. I believe you can probably find "Listen" at the > > following 2 places:
> Place 3: a bargain bin at the local used shop, where I found it, and where I > should have left it. That's one booooooring cd.
I have to agree about "Listen". It's NOWHERE near as good as "Dwelling in the Out". There's lots of effects and samples, and moody background stuff, but it's almost like they forgot to include songs or something.....
- Joe D.
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:54:03 -0700 From: Eckie <eckie@imap1.asu.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Blip on the screen Message-ID: <390E97AB.9AFBCB60@imap1.asu.edu>
Fett2002@AOL.COM tipped and tapped at his keyboard, sipping a Corona and watchin' the tide roll in, and then watching it roll away again, yeeeah:
> Maybe they feel outcast because of their height nad so start practicing a lot > of guitar?
Ah yes, the height nad technique of shred guitar. A true must-learn for any gifted Shredi. To be able to drop your pants in the middle of a burning run up and use your testicles as a slide for that final peaking note is an ultimate skill mastered only through a strict regimen of masturbation abstinence and cooling your balls in the freezer for 10 minutes or more before picking up the guitar.
I like to do it every time before I go on stage, before a concert, before I practice. I even do it while I'm on stage, in between songs, or when there's a break....
> Ya never see tallk guitarists or any musician or that matter (at > least not that I can think of. Sebastian Bach was (is) a pretty tall dude but > that's it).
Paul Gilbert is 7 feet tall, and shoots lightning out of his arse! Micheal Romeo is so fat, if we stretched him he'd be at least 9'6" and still be pretty beefy! John Tesh isn't that short...
..okay, okay, I'm sorry I pulled out the Tesh.
Steve Vai's average height, isn't he? Ya can't say he's not that good of a musician :) Unless of course, you consider the marraige of Dre Eminem the apex of American culture.
Predispositions my ass. It does make for some funny ads though, anybody see that Budweiser commercial with the dude at the bowling alley who checks out the size 12.5 shoes 'cuz they're the only ones left? Classic commercial television :)
Here's a stranger phenominon; how many BLONDE shredders are there (No, not Lita Ford) that play in the stratospheric level?
Truth is stranger than fiction. It smells worse too.
~ArchitEck eckie@asu.edu
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:37:15 EDT From: IAmClay777@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Height/Musicians Message-ID: <64.24b3a72.264025fb@aol.com>
Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing: First off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but IMO, singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any singers out there). As for height, I have a friend who's 6'4 and an awesome guitarist, and his brother's 6'5 and an incredible drummer. I myself am 6'2 (and like to consider myself a good bassist) and between the three of us we can play most of DT's catalog... Not to mention we're all still in high school.
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:33:17 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: more metallica/Napster Stuff Message-ID: <390ED91D.ADB99852@yunque.net>
It seems now the band's attorneys have monitored some napster users durin= g the weekend and are going to take action or something: (this is really f*cked= up IMO)
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20000502/tc/metallica_fingers_335_435_nap= ster_users_3.html
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It=B4s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyle <lyle_k@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Platypus chat Message-ID: <20000502133824.17442.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>
Hey All-
First post to the jam...been a member for about a month or so. In the near future, I'll be posting a link to some pics from the Chicago M2000 show when I got to meet OFB, as well as some pics with Megadeth and Queensryche! It's been a great year so far! On to the real reason for this post:
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:53:48 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Height/Musicians Message-ID: <390EDDEC.8949061A@yunque.net>
IAmClay777@aol.com wrote:
> Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing: First > off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick ass, but IMO, > singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No offense to any singers > out there).
Well im not a singer by any means, but i DID take (slight) offense with this comment You could argue that singing is something that requires at least the same or even more discipline than learning an instrument. Plus , some people cant sing for shit, even with tons of lessons, because some of us arent meant to sing. Now there are a lot of people here that are more qualified to counter your statement. Care to take this one home Mr. Coutermash?
Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: 2 May 2000 14:25:14 -0000 From: "Awake ." <awake@buffymail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YESterdays Message-ID: <20000502142514.8275.qmail@musone.chek.com>
>From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> >Subject: YESterdays
>Personally, I think "The Ladder" is some of their best >work in over two decades. Hell, I thought things >started to decline after Relayer...
I agree on the first bit. The Ladder is a great album, the drums aside (Alan White has never been particularly interesting - certainly no-where near as interesting as Bruford - but he seems to have sunk to Lars Ulrich levels recently); apart from Lightning Strikes which is just toss.
But all that said...I thought the decline started after Fragile. Close To The Edge was pretty good, Topographic Oceans was absolute dross, Relayer was a brief reprieve, and then they conspicuously failed to make another good album until 1999. 90125 was a pretty good album...It just wasn't really a YES album!
~Simon
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Singers Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005021121090.57457-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Carlos A. Alfaro wrote:
> > Just a quick reply to the 'shorter musicians tend to be better' thing: > > First off, I thought Dio was just a singer? Not that he doesn't kick > > ass, but IMO, singing seems easier to learn than an instrument (No > > offense to any singers out there). > > Well im not a singer by any means, but i DID take (slight) offense > with this comment You could argue that singing is something that > requires at least the same or even more discipline than learning an > instrument. Plus , some people cant sing for shit, even with tons of > lessons, because some of us arent meant to sing. Now there are a lot > of people here that are more qualified to counter your statement. Care > to take this one home Mr. Coutermash?
Well... okay, you twisted my arm.
I'm so absolutely sick of hearing people say that singers aren't REAL musicians, or that it doesn't take much to be able to sing. I wish I had my copy of the recording of the Mozart Requiem concert that we performed last weekend - I'd put some of it online and you could hear that for the student soloists (of which I was one), it was not "easier" than the instruments that were being played that night; to make it SOUND easy takes even MORE out of someone. To sing takes more control than most people can ever have, and at the same time, it takes more freedom than one can ever hope for, ironically. To sing correctly (and this goes NOWHERE near pop music; I'm talking about REAL singers here) one must be able to make an extremely powerful sound without creating any tension in the throat. Think that's easy? Try yelling something for an hour straight and NOT getting a sore throat. That's what an opera singer does, to put it roughly, only they do it for three hours at a time.
Personally, I found that learning to play the piano (at age *5* - remember that) was MUCH easier than when I started taking voice lessons (at age *18*). I do believe that everyone can sing, to some extent, but like the guitar or drums or anything else, not everybody is cut out for it.
I'm sure Steven Zebrowski will attest to this: Singing is just as much an art as playing ANY instrument, and anybody who thinks otherwise is just plain delusional.
------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. -------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:44:58 -0400 From: WB Henderson <wbhender@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YESterdays Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000502113145.00b08ba0@cs.millersville.edu>
Simon / Awake wrote:
>But all that said...I thought the decline started after Fragile.
You're kidding, right? That's like saying Genesis went downhill after "Trespass".
"Talk" -- for whatever reason, I really dig that album. Strong songwriting, and then there's "Real Love", the closest Yes has come to making a metal tune.
Brian
[NP...Gentle Giant -- Three Friends]
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metallica has your names... Message-ID: <20000502162702.7169.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com>
Tuesday May 02 08:00 AM EDT Metallica fingers 335,435 Napster users By John Borland, CNET News.com
Metallica has been taking names.
The heavy metal band, which is suing music-swapping company Napster for what the musicians say are massive copyright violations, says it has identified more than 335,000 individuals who were allegedly sharing the band's songs online in violation of copyright laws.
The band's attorneys will deliver close to 60,000 pages of documents to the small software company Wednesday afternoon, asking that Napster block all of those individuals from the service. It's the first time Napster or other file-swapping software users have been identified in bulk as potential copyright pirates.
"I don't know if it's going to put a chill on the user end," said Howard King, the Los Angeles attorney who represents Metallica and rap artist Dr. Dre, who also is suing Napster. "But it certainly is going to show other artists what they can do to get their work out of Napster." The massive number of individual names to be unloaded on Napster's front door could send shock waves through the online music community. Many individuals using the software or rival products believed they were operating anonymously or that individual actions would go unnoticed among the massive quantity of files being traded at any given time.
Napster and a handful of similar programs have allowed hundreds of thousands of computer users to open their hard drives and share music files with others online. People can remain superficially anonymous, but enough information is transmitted by the Napster service to track many individuals to their specific computers, network administrators say.
Attorneys for Metallica say they hired NetPD, an online consulting firm, to monitor the Napster service this past weekend. The firm came up with more than 335,000 individual users who had made the band's content available online, the lawyers said.
Napster has consistently refused to remove specific artists' content from its service, noting that it is only a directory for the individuals who are trading the files. But the company has said it would eject users who are specifically identified as copyright violators.
Napster had no comment on the news.
Metallica's action is the latest development in what appears to be a campaign aimed at dissuading people from using Napster by adding an element of risk.
The band initially sued three universities that allowed students to use Napster, charging that they were assisting in copyright piracy. All three quickly backed down, blocking or sharply restricting use of the software on their campuses.
Metallica and Dr. Dre also included slots for unnamed students and universities in their lawsuits, saying they would be added later as the musicians obtained more information.
The current list of Metallica song-traders will only be given to Napster and will not be included in the lawsuit, King said. Dr. Dre has not yet conducted his own search for pirates, but the same techniques will likely be applied to the rapper's work if Napster does respond, the attorney added.
Another lawsuit against Napster, filed by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), is in federal court, where a judge is expected to make a preliminary ruling any day.
Metallica is scheduled to chat with fans online tomorrow at the Artistsdirect.com Web site to explain its fight against Napster.
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:09:18 EDT From: JSS1011@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: effects Message-ID: <a6.3c497f8.264065be@aol.com>
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Perkowsky <perk1994@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica has your names... Message-ID: <20000502174256.5256.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com>
Hello everyone, Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Lars first become a fan of the NWOBHM groups by trading tapes? I coulda swore I saw that on the "Behind the Music" special on Metallica. What is the difference then, between what Lars was doing to what Napster users are doing?
Take care, Adam Perkowsky
--- Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tuesday May 02 08:00 AM EDT > Metallica fingers 335,435 Napster users
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