YTSEJAM Digest 5453
Today's Topics:
1) Re: boots, Pain of Salvation, Digital Ruin, looking for Eckie
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
2) starting it young
by DoubleJay54@aol.com
3) Satch in Philly
by Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
4) Re: die laughing (ndtc)
by Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
5) Galactic Cowboys
by JamesAhab@aol.com
6) Pain of Salvation
by "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
7) Re: Pain of Salvation
by "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
8) Re: Satch in Philly
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
9) Re: Digital Ruin,
by Carol Dellinger <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
10) Re: Digital Ruin,
by Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
11) Aghora
by Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com>
12) Re: effects etc
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
13) RE: effects etc
by David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com>
14) YESterdays
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
15) Aghora
by Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no>
16) re: Napster Re-revisited
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
17) re: Pain of Salvation
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
18) Ian Smart/SYBASE is out of the office.
by "Ian Smart" <Ian.Smart@sybase.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:20:30 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: boots, Pain of Salvation, Digital Ruin, looking for Eckie
Message-ID: <B53237FE.D9%schansen@cts.com>
> Bootlegs -why are some of you so obsessed to condemn those live recordings???
> I think, everybody who owns boots has all the regular (official) stuff the
> band released, right? And they will not stop buying their records, right?!
> So, why does anybody complain at all? Nobody suffers a commercial loss,
> right?! If those big managements want to cash in on some live stuff they
> should release some more regulary. I think, that is the way they can make
> sure bootlegs don't steal money from them! I personally would like to own
> some of the rare live recordings, but I cannot get them, because there are no
> official releases and even less traders of bootlegs in Germany (where I live,
> by the way). So, stop complaining about boots, release more live cuts. And
> praise DT in everyway possible!
> I would like some opinions on my comment.
Actually, I think there's very few of us on the list who are against taping
shows - I'd actually be curious to know how many on this list are in fact
completely against them.
The discussion Chris, Adam, Brian and I (plus several others) had was on
whether is was right for fans to set up bootleg labels and sell remastered
(EQ'ed/enhanced) copies of certain shows with packaging. None of those
involved in that discussion was against taping itself, nor the collecting of
shows.
Most, if not all of us agree that taping is a good thing for the band, not
bad. And I'm sure just about everyone who does collect shows (and/or
bootlegs) does have all the official releases they can get their hands on -
you have no argument from me.
Just wanted to clear the air on that.
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Now - about this band Pain of Salvation - you guys got me intrigued - I
wanna check these guys out, but would like to hear some samples of their
stuff before I buy one of their CDs. Do they have an official web site with
samples, or does someone have a web site that does have samples I can
download (preferably mp3s)? Any help you guys can give me would be cool.
BTW, I just picked up a copy of Digital Ruin's latest CD and I'm really
impressed - good stuff. There are a few things I'd change - namely I think
they could diversify their sound a little bit more and the keyboards need
more variety in their sounds (while I like the sounds, they do come off a
bit cheesy sometimes). Is their first CD available or is it OOP? If it's
still in print, is it as good as this one (Dwelling in the Out)?
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Lastly, I've got a question for Eckie, so Eckie, if you are reading this,
please email me! If he's no longer on the list, can someone please email me
his email addy? Thanx!
Setlist Scotty
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:29:42 EDT
From: DoubleJay54@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: starting it young
Message-ID: <ce.4be3701.263e4616@aol.com>
dude, it was a pretty nice day today, so i was playing guitar on the back
porch and my 6th grade neighbor came outside to play basketball, he had his
cd player with him and i was like damn, im gonna have to listen to some crap,
and guess what the kid put on, Scenes from a Memory!!!!! Heck yeah man!
good to see kids starting down the path at such a young age.
ps. hey justin, you get that cd yet???
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:41:30 -0400
From: Dan Costello <axeman_dannl@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Satch in Philly
Message-ID: <20000430.224155.-1009873.2.Axeman_dannl@juno.com>
Why didn't somebody tell me that expedia.com SUCKS? Well, them and the
entire city of philadelphia. Satch was playing some venue called the
Electric Factory which is on Willow St. Well, aparently, most of Willow
St. (which is just an alley) is on the east side of the city (and thus,
on the east side of the river), and the other two feet of Willow St. is
on the opposite side of the town / river in the middle of the projects.
Oh, and the fact that all the streets are one way, and that there's only
4 bridges you can cross relaly make things interesting. Well, I follow my
directions from expedia.com and wind up asking a bunch of drunk crack
dealers where the place is. Nobody knows. I ask the cops. They don't
know. I ask the cab drivers. They don't know. I ask the college kids.
They don't know. So I drive back across town to the box office on Vine
St. and start asking more people. Only one person knew where it was, but
he was so wasted, I had a harder time understanding him, than I did
understanding the Electric Factory's answering machine directions. Oh,
did I mention that I spent over $70 on two tickets, $90 on gas, food and
tips for the homeless who gave me directions, and drove 5 hours to Philly
(I live near Syracuse, NY), then another 2+ hours trying to find the
place? I finally found a gas station in town, at which I bought a map and
found Willow St. I wind up getting to the show an hour into his set,
missing all teh stuff from the new album along with Cool #9, Satch
Boogie, and some others.
But, on the bright side, I got to see The Man play all the cool stuff off
Crystal Planet and some of the older stuff, too. As I was hangin' out
behind the venue afterwards, I noticed that Joe had a black velvet Elvis
painting inside his tour bus. And to think, my friends tease me about
mine!!! I almost got Stu Hamm to sign my breasts, but he opted for my
ticket stub instead. :-)
I have a question, do short guys have a predisposition to be better
guitar players or even perhaps better musicians in general??? Satch,
Pettrucci, Stu Hamm, Dimebag Darrell, Rod Morgenstein, Ronny James Dio -
none of 'em are over 5'7". And then how many 8 year olds do we see
headlining at Carnegie Hall? If this is the case, then I feel that I,
being 6'5" should be given some sort of assistance. Maybe a sort of
affirmative action for tall musicians. Yes, I may suck, but nobody should
be able to judge me as such, because I am at a physical disadvantage. I
do not need people making fun of my disability!!! :-)
-Dan.
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 05:26:57 +0200
From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS <sdts@sdts.nu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: die laughing (ndtc)
Message-ID: <390CF981.D1261506@sdts.nu>
Angelo Lombardi wrote:
> I couldn't agree more. But then about 95% of what we call "singers" wo=
uldn't sing. Example: Sheryl Crow, Bruce Springsteen, James Hetfield, a=
ll of N'Sync, all of BackDOOR Boys, etc...
I have to defend at least Hetfield, and The Backstreet Boys on this one. =
On "Load", "Reload" and "S&M", James's voice is better than it's ever bee=
n. The music sucks nowadays, but James's
voice is great IMO.
And the Backstreet Boys CAN sing for crying out loud! How many times am I=
gonna have to tell everyone that?
Andreas Skarin
Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet
http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:49:13 EDT
From: JamesAhab@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Galactic Cowboys
Message-ID: <63.4f50a34.263e58b9@aol.com>
Bad news - just read on their website (galacticcowboys.com) that their
breaking up after the June release of "Let It Go," their last album. They had
a couple average albums when they first signed with Metal Blade, but their
most recent album "At the End of the Day" was so strong, I thought they were
back. Definitely sad news.
jim
np - sgt pepper...
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Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:51:42 -0400
From: "Joe DeAngelo" <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Pain of Salvation
Message-ID: <001001bfb320$8ff6ba20$6e7c0b18@stcl1.mi.home.com>
Honestly, I'm pretty shocked to see everybody here agreeing with me about
Entropia being the superior album. Generally (elsewhere) I see 3 out of 4
people preferring One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Cool,
- Joe D.
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:37:53 +1000
From: "Graham B" <graham@renegade2K.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Pain of Salvation
Message-ID: <200005010842.e418g3Y05383@sampa.simpleweb.com.br>
> Honestly, I'm pretty shocked to see everybody here agreeing with me
> about Entropia being the superior album. Generally (elsewhere) I see
> 3 out of 4 people preferring One Hour By the Concrete Lake.
Nope I only played Entropia once and never liked it as much as
Concrete Lake.
Also they are a killer live band, I saw they play last year in Holland
and they were awesome :)
gaz
'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid
to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't
give a shit'
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 07:59:39 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Satch in Philly
Message-ID: <390D71AB.5A5654FE@yunque.net>
Dan Costello wrote:
> I have a question, do short guys have a predisposition to be better
> guitar players or even perhaps better musicians in general??? Satch,
> Pettrucci, Stu Hamm, Dimebag Darrell, Rod Morgenstein, Ronny James Dio -
> none of 'em are over 5'7".
JP seems taller than that.. according to UACM hes 5'11..
maybe they seem that small from your towering 6'5 :P~
Come into this night, Your plight alone
Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us
Come into this night, You only home
Itīs never too late, To repent, suffer the loss
Opeth : Benighted
Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc.
mailto:calfaro@yunque.net mailto:prog@musician.org
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:24:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Carol Dellinger <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Digital Ruin,
Message-ID: <380661497.957183893397.JavaMail.root@web31.pub01>
Setlist Scotty inquired:
>BTW, I just picked up a copy of Digital Ruin's latest CD and I'm really
impressed - good stuff. There are a few things I'd change - namely I think
they could diversify their sound a little bit more and the keyboards need
more variety in their sounds (while I like the sounds, they do come off a
bit cheesy sometimes). Is their first CD available or is it OOP? If it's
still in print, is it as good as this one (Dwelling in the Out)?
Yes, you can get the first Digital Ruin CD as it is still in print. The
Name of the CD is "Listen" This is the first DR CD I got and I really
liked the dark and moody atmosphere on it. The new one "Dwelling In The
Out" is to me even moodier. I believe you can probably find "Listen" at the
following 2 places:
http://www.lasercd.com or
http://www.moremetal.com
Good luck and happy listening!
Coldfire the Gallery Mistress
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:29:08 -0500
From: Brian Hayden <hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Digital Ruin,
Message-ID: <B532F0D4.495F%hayd0029@tc.umn.edu>
on 5/1/00 7:34 AM, Carol Dellinger at coldie@bellatlantic.net scribbled in
vibrant crayola:
> Yes, you can get the first Digital Ruin CD as it is still in print. The
> Name of the CD is "Listen" This is the first DR CD I got and I really
> liked the dark and moody atmosphere on it. The new one "Dwelling In The
> Out" is to me even moodier. I believe you can probably find "Listen" at the
> following 2 places:
Place 3: a bargain bin at the local used shop, where I found it, and where I
should have left it. That's one booooooring cd.
-Brian
--I won't take my religion from any man who never works except with his mouth and never cherishes any memory except the face of the woman on the American silver dollar.
I ask you to come through and show me where you're pouring out the blood of your life.
-Carl Sandburg, "To A Contemporary Bunkshooter"
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 06:51:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Patrick <mikeepatrick@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Aghora Message-ID: <20000501135115.8723.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
>Also, I'm curious if anyone has picked up the >Aghora album yet. I imagine I'll pick it up sooner >or later anyway; Gordian Knot may be the best >album I own, so if this is anything remotely like >it, that's a huge plus. Any reviews?
I love it. Imagine the heavier parts of GK (but not as full-on technical as Cynic) and you've got Aghora. Sean Malone and Sean Reinert just are ALL OVER the album. Oh, and Santiago Dobles (the guitarist/composer) is no slouch - imagine him being pretty much influenced by everyone he's ever heard and you've got him. It's light in spots, thrashy in others, really technical in others, etc.
The vocals are by Dobles' sister - she's high pitched and fairly pleasant, but not in the same league as, say, Anekke or some other well-known 'ethereal' female singers. Some folks don't like her style, but the music I'd say more than makes up for it. The vocals lines have a real 'Eastern' feel to them so they kind of wander around a little, but I'm always so focused on Malone, I don't really even hear them...
It's good stuff and pretty much a blind purchases for Malone/Reinert fans. Those two can do no wrong and I hope they play together until the end of time...
Mike
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:40:03 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: effects etc Message-ID: <1A6803B996F14D11DA3E00807CFD6BE9@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
With all this talk of effects, I figured I'd ask somethin myself...
Right now I have my MPX-1 in the FX loop of my Mark IV head. I want to get some sort of switching system set up so that I can change both the patch on the MPX-1 and the channel on my Mark IV with one switch. Is there anything that can do this?
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:24:32 -0700 From: David Dixon <dixon@iisweb.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: effects etc Message-ID: <A65ADB6BE999D3118F650008C7E61752117CF7@MESSAGING>
> Right now I have my MPX-1 in the FX loop of my Mark IV head. I want > to get some sort of switching system set up so that I can change both > the patch on the MPX-1 and the channel on my Mark IV with one > switch. Is there anything that can do this?
Yes - a half-rack-unit Scholz R&D/Rockman MIDI Octopus can do this - they're out of production, but you should be able to find one used in the classified ad section of www.harmony-central.com/Guitar for under $150. Basically this unit just converts a MIDI program change to a standard tip/ring footswitch jack. Pretty smooth - I used one on my old Dual Recto and it worked like a champ! :)
Other (affordable) units that can do this: * DMC GCX Guitar Audio Switch * Rocktron Patchmate
These units also provide true-bypass switching of rack-mounted stompboxes, and the DMC is still in production (go to www.voodoolab.com). Bradshaw also makes one, but expect to trade in your left arm... :o
Hope this helps,
David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. david@iisweb.com ytsedave@asu.edu
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:34:04 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: YESterdays Message-ID: <390DCE1C.A4FEA4E4@isd.net>
M P" <mremann6@hotmail.com wrote: >Jon should be locked in a room and forced to listen to Olias >until he reclaims some of what he's forsaken... but that's >just my opinion ;)
I'm impressed.. You mentioned O of S.. That's something only a hardcore Yes fan would be familiar with. I have that on vinyl. (Has it been released on CD?) yeah right.. :)
Personally, I think "The Ladder" is some of their best work in over two decades. None of their stuff was really BAD, particularly in contrast with what was being played on the radio by competing acts. I was not a huge fan of the TR years. Hell, I thought things started to decline after Relayer...
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers
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Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:34:32 +0200 From: Oddvar Lovaas <flail@online.no> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Aghora Message-ID: <200005012036.WAA14920@mail47.fg.online.no>
>Also, I'm curious if anyone has picked up the Aghora album yet. I imagine >I'll pick it up sooner or later anyway; Gordian Knot may be the best album >I own, so if this is anything remotely like it, that's a huge plus. Any >reviews?
I still havn't picked up Gordian Knot -- but I got my copy of Aghora's debut album yesterday. Well, I won't say too much 'cause I've just had it for one day... but it kicks major ass!! This is really interesting and cool! Love the combination of the musicians, they're all so skilled! The guitarsolos totally blow me away, as well as the extremely cool basslines, (check song # 2!!) and ofcourse the sudden, surprising cool changes in the songs!
I really advice you to check the band out!
< flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 >
- still trying to recover after the tchernobyl-virus-crash
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Napster Re-revisited Message-ID: <20000501223914.19901.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com>
"Webmaster Ytsejam.com" <webmaster@ytsejam.com> wrote:
> Metallica to Discuss Napster Suit in Web Chat Fans will get > to grill Metallica about Napster lawsuit
> Metallica probably didn't envison becoming victims of an underground > backlash after they filed suit against Napster on April 13. But the > always fan-attentive metal men want to take out some time to explain > themselves and counter accusations -- from fans and Napster-supporting artists > like Limp Bizkit and Offspring -- that greed is the motivating factor > in their case against Napster,
Here we go again... Since I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I was able to get a sneak preview at Metallica'a attempt to explain themselves. James and Jason were on a local radio station this weekend and the DJ asked them about the lawsuit. Their explanation sounded pretty lame. They started by saying that "it's not about the money, it's about the principle", but then went on to say things like "this is how we make a living", and "we can't allow people to rip us off", and "music for art's sake is BS, it's a business and we depend on that money". (Paraphrased quotes, I didn't record it or anything).
But anyway, they say "it's not about the money" and then go on and talk about the money for 10 minutes!
Maybe they could give more of an explantation... such as the fact the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is almost never successful in their lawsuits unless they can find and convince a "damaged artist" to join in on the lawsuit. Metallica started out as anti-establishment, now they're the lap-dogs of corporate music. Maybe they should ask for forgiveness and claim that the corporate lawyers forced them to join in the lawsuit. But I'll bet that they went along willingly, since they're one of the few acts to actually make big money from record sales. And when they say that they're looking out for the "little guys", what a joke! They're looking out for themselves and their masters in corporate America...they could actually hurt the little guy.
As for the theft of music via Napster or other means, sure it's wrong, but to make such a big deal out of it is counter-productive. The majority of music consumers still purchase the real product. They don't sit in front of the computer and listen to MP3s. Getting the music out to the public and getting exposure is very helpful to the "little" guys. Then they can sell tickets to their live shows and make some real money, or become one of the top mega artists that actually makes money from record sales. Or with enough exposure, they could sell directly to the public via the web.
But of course everyone knows Metallica already. They don't need any exposure! So they might as well try to sqeeze every last drop from record sales; they don't have anything to lose. And who cares if it hurts the "little" guy.
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Pain of Salvation Message-ID: <20000501230028.20930.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com>
Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@oz.plymouth.edu> wrote:
> Right now I'm listening to Pain of Salvation's One Hour by the Concrete > Lake. I haven't been THIS blown away by an album in QUITE a long time; > not even the DT albums I've heard (except with the exception of ACoS, > since that was the first DT album I'd ever heard) have evoked this kind > of reaction in me before.
Where the hell have you been?! Definiteley one of the best bands I've heard about here on the ytsjam (second only to Symphony X). Go out and get PoS "Entropia" right now. You won't regret it.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:00:24 +0100 From: "Ian Smart" <Ian.Smart@sybase.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ian Smart/SYBASE is out of the office. Message-ID: <882568D3.000036A4.00@gwwest.sybase.com>
I will be out of the office from 29/04/2000 until 29/05/2000.
I will be on an extended leave of absence for this time and not picking up email.
For Urgent issues - please contact:
For EP, and Europe related issues:
Irfan Khan (UK) +44-1628-597227 or irfan.khan@sybase.com
For ESG, speaking and customer related issues:
Andrew Green (US) +1-510-922-5676 or andrew.green@sybase.com
Sorry for the inconvienience.
Ian Smart
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