YTSEJAM Digest 5937
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Inspiration Corner
by "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
2) Re: Vai's showmanship and Petrucci
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
3) Re: Vai on Stage
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
4) Vai on Stage
by Deepak Singh <mndoci@yahoo.com>
5) Band recommendations and other
by "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU>
6) Re: Vai (was: Petrucci on stage)
by AiCFAN4@aol.com
7) Re: Petrucci on stage
by "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
8) Re: Band recommendations and other +Shorter Digests
by "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
9) Symphony Theater
by "Ambassador Nelaskon" <moc_liam@mail.com>
10) TD tour
by "Ambassador Nelaskon" <moc_liam@mail.com>
11) Homepage
by Peter Mavrin <pmavrin@iskra-com.si>
12) Re: Homepage
by "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:01:38 -0400
From: "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Inspiration Corner
Message-ID: <000701c128bf$d92d8c30$1f546f82@majesty>
well, I would think everyone and their mother has that little clip by now...
and you forgot one... Rage Against the Machine.
Joe
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:07:44 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Vai's showmanship and Petrucci
Message-ID: <B7A52450.2401%schansen@cts.com>
on 8/19/01 3:38 AM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>> showmanship, tho I hope Petrucci
>> would never get as cheesy as Vai can....
>
> Are you kidding? Vai's "showmanship" is the biggest load of horseshit I've
> ever seen. I was so disgusted with him on the G3 tour.
Perhaps my statement wasn't written out correctly. By no means would I want
Petrucci to become another Vai - one's enough! :-p However, my point is
about Petrucci being comfortable on stage and knowing what to do whle on
stage. During Dream Theater shows it's not as evident as the focus wasn't
completely on him (as it was the G3 shows) but I still get the impression
that John doesn't always look 100% comfortable with hundreds or thousands of
eyes on him. Anyway, at the G3 shows, Petrucci looked *very* stiff (although
I went to 3 shows early in the tour, and I'm sure to some degree he loosened
up later) and my comment was made more about being confident in his playing
and running the show (at least during G3), instead of trying to figure out
what he's gonna do.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:30:51 -0500
From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Vai on Stage
Message-ID: <20010819.103052.-345009.0.kurt.hampton@juno.com>
<Well, if you had seen the DLR videos from that era, or seen them
in concert... that sort of stuff is all over the place. Again, not really
showing off...poking a little fun though for sure... I especially thought
it was funny when he tried to fling the guitar around his back (like
Yngwie
and a couple others used to do back in the showy 80s), but failed. Having
seen 3 G3 shows, and watching him fail at it 3 times, I am pretty sure he
did that faux move on purpose... ;-)>
That was the problem, his set seemed so rehearsed. Personally, I almsot
fell asleep during Vai, I wasnt into him at all, and I dont care for his
music. I have 4 of his cd's and never listen to em. Oh well..
Kurt
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Deepak Singh <mndoci@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Vai on Stage
Message-ID: <20010819155336.23100.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com>
In defense of Vai.
Just a note. I fell in love with Vai's playing in the
late 80's. At that point I had not even seen a
picture. Just heard Flex-able on a taped record. I
first saw a video in the mid 90's by which time
Passion and Warfare had been out a while and was and
still is one of my 10 favorite records of all time.
The first time I saw him play was with a 40 piece
orchestra and he was wearing a shirt, pants and did
not do ONE rock star antic and still had more control
of feedback than anyone else (with the possible
exception of Hendrix). Oh he's good and he started
playing for Zappa in the late 70's, early 80's (not
sure which), so he's been around.
... and for the love of God, please don't mention
Michael Angelo in the same breath as Vai. As a guitar
player, even JP has a lot to do to reach that status.
I agree he goes over the top on stage. I say let him.
He plays so well and writes such good songs, I just
close my eyes and listen.
Cheers
mndoci
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:28:37 -0400
From: "Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Band recommendations and other
Message-ID: <IPEFJNDOEGIINJHEGHEEOECGCDAA.elisa_c@mit.edu>
Hello everybody!
I am looking for new music. Could you please recommend some bands for me? (A
list is good enough, but some description of what to expect form their music
is even better).
By the way, Flower Kings has a concert in my area (Cambridge). Their name
sounds familiar, but I have no knowledge of their music. Please comment!
Elisa Calimano
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:05:09 EDT
From: AiCFAN4@aol.com
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Vai (was: Petrucci on stage)
Message-ID: <119.36f2618.28b14bc5@aol.com>
Heheh, guess I did get a little carried away with my ranting on Vai. I didn't really even think about it as making fun of stuff. I did say it was the first time I had seen him, and knew virtually nothing about him, so it was all just a mistake. Thanks for the clarification.
>hehe Michael Angelo... that guy cracks me up. I >remember way back in Hollywood, when Nitro first >formed, him and the singer (Jim Gillette?)
>were walking into all the clubs handing out flyers (I >think I was in the The Whiskey at the time), with >announcements like "watch Michael play a gutiar with 2 >necks at the same time!", "see the singer shatter a >glass with only his voice!", etc...
Yea the double neck thing was hilarious in that Metal Methods video. The problem with Michael is that he couldn't write a song to save his life. Guess Vai beats him there, by just a smudge...:)
GrEG
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:12:51 -0400
From: "Joe Latuscha" <joseph.latuscha@maine.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Petrucci on stage
Message-ID: <001001c128d2$2d7b67f0$1f546f82@majesty>
Greg
Get over it, Vai is an amazig guitarist. If you want proof go find a
copy of Vai's Album 'Seventh Songs.' This is a collection of a bunch of
songs that have appeared on Vai's albums over the course of 15 year or so.
They are all very incredible, heart felt songs. Vai has this thing about
making the 7th song on his albums the song that he has put the most work in,
the one that will stand out most musically. Songs like "Amazing Grace,"
"For The Love of God," "Hand on Heart." All great Steve Vai songs. As far
as Vai's showmanship... He is a hyper kinda guy, like Michael said, he
played for DLR, and Whitesnake. When I saw him playing with Whitesnake, I
saw Vai throw his guitar up on top of the PA speaker, hang kinda half onto
it (the PA Speaker), and played the rest of the song with his feet and half
his body dangling in the air. He is just having fun.
But I guess that is only my $$.02 worth....
Later all
Joe
----- Original Message -----
> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:48:17 EDT
> From: AiCFAN4@aol.com
> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: Re: Petrucci on stage
> Message-ID: <4d.100fe41d.28afa1f1@aol.com>
>
> >Heh heh - I've noticed this a bit too - he doesn't >always seem to know
what
> >to do with himself. Hopefully the G3 tour helped - I'm >guessing Vai
> >especially showed him a thing or two about >showmanship, tho I hope
Petrucci
> >would never get as cheesy as Vai can....
>
> Are you kidding? Vai's "showmanship" is the biggest load of horseshit
I've ever seen. I was so disgusted with him on the G3 tour. I hadn't ever
listened to him before, except for a few clips from Alive in an Ultraworld,
and I thought they were cool, so I was really excited to see him play,
especially since a lot of people seemed to be really pumped up for him.
> As soon as he came out I knew it was gonna be downhill... He looked
like an ex-Aerosmith person in his gettup. The biggest thing that pissed me
off about him is that it seemed like he wasn't focusing on playing music,
but impressing the audience and showing off. His body language is so weird,
and he'd always just try to look like a badass, even if he was doing
something crappy. And the fan in the front so it blows back his hair...give
me a break. And in the first song, he switched his left hand over the
bottom and top?! That's stupid, and just proves he's trying to show off,
and it's not even original. If anyone has seen the guy from Nitro on the
"Metal Methods" instructional video, you'd see that guy does the same thing,
and I'm almost certain he was around before Vai...
>
> Well, sorry for this ranting, but I was just astonished once I saw Vai
after all of the buildup and expectations I had amassed, and I can't believe
someone thinks Petrucci should "learn from Vai" in the showmanship methods.
At least JP isn't bullshitting and just does his thing.
>
> Greg
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:35:19 +0200
From: "Nicholas Sakkos" <el00144@mail.ntua.gr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Band recommendations and other +Shorter Digests
Message-ID: <001001bada0a$3d287660$86df6693@----->
>By the way, Flower Kings has a concert in my area (Cambridge). Their name
>sounds familiar, but I have no knowledge of their music. Please comment!
You'd better not miss that one.Roine Stolt,their guitar player and singer
is in
Transtlantic with Mike Portnoy.That's probably where you've heard of
him.Pro-
gressive rock,lots of tasteful melodies,catchy tunes,probably the best prog
rock band out there along with Spock's Beard.I'd say don't miss them.
As for the jam,since it's been getting kind of slow,wouldn't it be better
if the
digests were sent out more often?Even with fewer posts?It could make com-
munication and threads easier to follow for non-ack mode users.
FLOWER POWER!
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:11:36 +0800
From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" <moc_liam@mail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Symphony Theater
Message-ID: <20010820071137.7430.qmail@mail.com>
>>> "Continued" to feed off each other?When did this ever happen.Sure SX have
"fed off" DT,as most of the prog influenced metal bands
out there ,but vice versa? And as much as i enjoy both bands i really can't
see how they could grow in the same direction. <<<
Well, obviously DT was influential to SX's founding. But more recently, SFaM had a lot of stuff that just let go a little more, and the sound just happened ... like track 5. "He said you'll know the truth as your future days unfold", the way the melody goes, and the guitars backing it up ... it was like they just decided to DO it rather then trying to do something in particular with it. It sounded a lot more like the stuff SX was doing.
Then Symphony X "V" just, to me at least, cultivated everything the progmetal movement had been going for all this time. It had very similar sonics in the sense of balance and direction that SFaM did, and I think it would be clear to most here that they took a step further, in the same direction as DT did.
So it seems to *me* that if they continue to move in a similar direction, they would produce music at a whole new level of kickassedness altogether.
>>> > > But then, i don't like the way these people sing at
> all. (don't flame me,
> > i'm not rascist or whatsoever..) There's just
> something that
> > i don't like in the way most afro-american people
> sing.
>
> Damn! I hope you put that flame suit on! You're not in
> the US, so I guess political correctness is not as
> ingrained (brainwashed?) in your mind. Making any
> statement that makes a generalization about any group
> is considered offensive. (With the exception of white
> males, beat them up all you want) ;o)
>
>..hehehe, yeah, that might have been a little bit rude, but i couldn't
think of another way of saying it AND making my point clear. About making
the generalization: ....i was aware of that, that's why i said "most"...and
"most" is not "all" ! There's always exceptions for every generalization
made. Anyway, i hope i didn't offend anyone. I was just pointing out my
likes and dislikes of the DVD, and that was a worthy-mentioning personal
dislike. <<<
Well, don't kill yourself trying to be too PC. I don't like the way the majority of them sound either. Yes, there are exceptions, but in general it's just annoying to me. That "Survivor" song from Destiny's Child is among the most annoying piles of crap I've ever heard.
Anyway, white people do that same kind of crap, but if we think real, it's like this. I know several black people who kick ass. But I do not like the R&B / HipHop stuff one bit. A majority of their 'musicians" and "singers" are black. That's not our fault; so I hope you don't apologize too much for it. :)
>>> >Rudess IS a real band member(wee..) and DT PLAYS MUSIC, they dont DANCE...
If
>you want to see stage coreography, take a look at Backstreet Boys (may god
>forbid...) geez..
>
>.after i sent that post it struck to me as kind of moronic,but oh
well,every jammer is entitled
to send one once in a while <<<
Actually, I thought you had a decent point there; didn't sound moronic to me...
- Cyaron
--"Never stop dreaming, because your dreams will never die. When you forget how to dream, you forget how to live." - Max Verran
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:18:47 +0800 From: "Ambassador Nelaskon" <moc_liam@mail.com> To: teof@yahoogroups.com Subject: TD tour Message-ID: <20010820071847.12199.qmail@mail.com>
If any of you care, it struck me as surprising and important when I found out ... Tangerine Dream is going to be on tour in the US *VERY* soon. In CA, it will be in the 1st half of November.
Here's the page if you want more info on dates.
In the last couple years, they have done some great stuff and some slower stuff I didn't really like. I get the idea they are starting to run out of steam in the studio. But their SHOWS have always been known for being awesome. They just released Dream Mixes 3, which remixes some of their older, more classic stuff.
They will very likely play a lot of stuff from the past AND present, so it should be great. I don't count on ever having a chance to see them again, from what I hear about the band (Like they might disband). So I figured I'd let you guys know about it :)
- Cyaron --
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:12:24 +0200 From: Peter Mavrin <pmavrin@iskra-com.si> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Homepage Message-ID: <6109114736BAD011BBB3006097A5BDF228135C@TRIGLAV>
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Hi!
You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:48:28 +1000 From: "dreamryche" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Homepage Message-ID: <002801c12954$ea871ec0$ee3836cb@PaulTadday>
Looks pretty cool so far ya goose!!! *LOL*
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> > Hi! > > You've got to see this page! It's really cool ;O)
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