YTSEJAM Digest 6048
Today's Topics:
1) RE: Blind Freakin' Faith
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
2) Six Degrees of Inner...HOLY F#@$IN SH%T!!! +SPOILERS+
by Kevin Rios <wilsoncat@yahoo.com>
3) Vai and Devin and Tori
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
4) Dream Theater MP3's... recommendations
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
5) new DT songs?
by "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca>
6) RE: new DT songs?
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
7) Re: NYC show
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
8) Re: Warm-up show
by "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com>
9) Re: Warm-up show
by XLordoftheRingsX@aol.com
10) Re: NYC show
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
11) Re: NYC show
by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
12) RE: NYC show
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
13) NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com>
14) RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
15) Re: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net>
16) Re: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!!
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:38:34 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Blind Freakin' Faith
Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607C55@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
heh heh Yeah, at least the new Album (not "record") will be released in
a month so all this stuff will be behind us.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Alfaro [SMTP:calfaro@yunque.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:38 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: Blind Freakin' Faith
>
> "Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote:
>
> > Yeah, there's some bastards sharing the WRONG versions of the new DT
> > songs....... But not everyone has the wrong songs on there :)
> >
> > JM
>
> Well, the first "bastard", as you put it ;), to do this was Mike Portnoy
> himself!
> If i recall correctly, he posted on his forum about him putting up some
> decoys
> on the net, namely the unreleased songs like Raise th eknife, way it used
> to
> be, etc
> and renamed them with the new titles. :) He then urged other members to do
> the
> same
> and/or record stupid things or crappy songs and make them 13.52 min long
> (so
> ppl would
> believe it was glass prison :) A major disinformation campaign brought to
> us by the beloved drummer of OFB :)
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 05:48:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Kevin Rios <wilsoncat@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Six Degrees of Inner...HOLY F#@$IN SH%T!!! +SPOILERS+
Message-ID: <20011211134810.9699.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com>
This post may contain +SPOILERS+ Please page down
now.
+SPOILERS+
+SPOILERS+
Ok, Well I have had the opportunity to listen to the
new cds for the last 2 days and I am ready to share my
opinion. Remember, you chose to read this far so
anything after this sentence you read is your own
fault!
The Glass Prison - Sounds like LTE meet good Metallica
meet Pantera. Driving, energetic, Balls and Chunk
with some great solos towards the end of the tune. JP
and JR shread on this one. Nice little bass thingy
for JM too.
Blind Faith - For those who have heard the edited
version, you got hosed! This song is bound to be a DT
classic. Great melodies and a chorus that won't get
out of my head sum up this song. Some great
instrumental parts in the middle of the tune, with
some great drumming from MP. An early fav.
Misunderstood - Slower, gentler song with a strong
chorus and melodies. Could easily be a radio hit, yet
radio is clueless to good music. Some great keyboard
sounds, sometimes eerie. Interesting ending to this
one.
The Great Debate - Pumping bass starts this one off.
Some may call it Tool Theater, as there are some
obvious influences on this track that debates stem
cell research. Great effects on James' voice add to
the frenzy. Another early Fav.
Disappear - Well....this is the song that I never
thought that DT would create. Beautiful textures by
JP and JR give this track a spooky, dark, depressing
feeling. This is unbelieveable stuff. Kinda like The
Beatles meet Radiohead.
The Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - Here it is, the
big one. I will not go into each part too deep. This
is DT's finest work, hands down. The orchestration
and melodies are Top notch! JRs keyboard work is
unbelievable. Each part of the song has a different
feel to it. From happy, to sad, to angry. I know
this tune will be the focus of MUCH discussion in the
near future. This is one of those songs that when it
ends, you WANT to return to the begining and hear the
whole thing again. James' vocals have never been
better. This tune sums up the reason that DT is my
favorite band, and has been since 1989.
That's it. I am sure there will be better reviews
than mine. I just wanted to share some of what I've
heard with you. I can't wait till 1/29/01!!!
The did not disappoint!
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Date: 11 Dec 2001 14:27:15 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Vai and Devin and Tori
Message-ID: <867krtzvb0.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
I saw Steve Vai in London on Friday night. Completely blew me away!
This time around he played most of Passion and Warfare, which is his
best work by a long way. Billy Sheehan really impressed me on bass; he
did an incredible job of reinterpreting Stu Hamm's funky bits on Blue
Powder, etc.
I saw Devin Townsend in Glasgow on Sunday night. Very cool. His band
is full of big fat hairy people, but the music was great
nevertheless. Lots of the best stuff from all of his solo albums and
Strapping Young Lad.
I saw Tori Amos in Glasgow last Wednesday. I was ecstatic that she
played Winter, which is one of my favourite songs ever. I love that
woman. :-)
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:36:28 -0500 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dream Theater MP3's... recommendations Message-ID: <3C162798.B8402F6B@mindspring.com>
Well, from my understanding there are a few reasons behind the DT mp3 'fiasco', which I think the letter from MP succintly summed it up. Suffice to say, I can see both sides, and I only use (mostly) mp3's to determine if something is worth it's weight in my financial resource depleting. That said, I pretty much buy ANYTHING a band like DT, QR or FW put out (disregarding imports, and LIVE cd's for the most part).
I think the main concern of the band was the lack of conscience and graciousness in addition to the dishonesty of the individual(s) releasing Mp3's of their music that hasn't been mastered, or released yet. I suppose legalities come into play at some point too, but while it is a paradox, afterall, the anticipation of the upcoming DT project is breached, and of course, increasing due to the Mp3.
As for recommendation, Chris, how about Greyhaven (if you can find it), Persephone's Dream, F5, Digital Ruin, Spiral Achitect, Enchant, and Andromeda? Or even, VIRTUALITY? (see link below). Feel free to email me if you need to inquire further.
C'aio, Scott Mosher (Musician/Graphic Artist/Activist/neurosurgeon/niceguy) http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/ http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher
The VIRTUALITY CD: Ambient, neo=progressive cyber rock.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:46:39 -0500 From: "Mike Shetzer" <echo26@videotron.ca> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: new DT songs? Message-ID: <001901c1826b$c9d0cb20$ece0ca18@videotron.ca>
Warning- POSSIBLE SPOILERS*******
Warning- POSSIBLE SPOILERS*******
Hey all. I recently gave up the urge to wait to hear new material from DT for another month, and downloaded the first disc of 6DOIT. While some songs caught my ear, my general impression, don't get me wrong, is slightly disappointed. Blind Faith and Glass Prison are without a doubt really cool songs, but they seem to be lacking something in the complexity department. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but the album, while it was supposedly "experimental", seems to have lost some sort of progressive edge. If anyone has heard The Great Debate or Disappear, you might know what I mean. TGD has a nice theme of prez Bush in the beginning, but the song is too uninteresting to bear its 10+ minute length. Disappear reminds me of Space Dye Vest, which is a good thing, but for 6 minutes, the song isn't very interesting or complex either. Misunderstood sits somewhere in the middle, between interesting and not so much. My biggest critique is that Petrucci hasn't had a single melodic solo yet. The solos I've heard from JP are mostly shred, which isn't that bad, but I love Petrucci for his melodic, powerful solos, not his super fast ones. I'm actually using willpower not to look for the 40 minute title track =3D) Let's hope there's some When The Water Breaks or Dance Of Eternity styles in there, cuz I haven't heard any 19/16 rhythms from Portnoy just yet! Before I get flamed, I'll clearly state that this is merely a first impression and an opinion on what I've heard. I'd like to hear everyone else's opinions on the new tracks, if you've bothered to give them a listen. M.S
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:53:35 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: new DT songs? Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607C6D@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
MIKE......... before you pass judgement, please get the 2nd Disc!!!! That's where some GREATNESS flows out of your stereo.
I sat back and listened to the 2nd CD all the way through last night and wanted to spin it again but was already way past my bedtime!
And Petrucci gets after it on the 2nd CD with tons of melody and great tasteful solos. Jordan adds in some great "atmosphere" to the songs that fits like a glove!
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Shetzer [SMTP:echo26@videotron.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: new DT songs? > > > Hey all. I recently gave up the urge to wait to hear new material from > DT for another month, and downloaded the first disc of 6DOIT. While some > songs caught my ear, my general impression, don't get me wrong, is > slightly disappointed. Blind Faith and Glass Prison are without a doubt > really cool songs, but they seem to be lacking something in the > complexity department. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but the > album, while it was supposedly "experimental", seems to have lost some > sort of progressive edge. If anyone has heard The Great Debate or > Disappear, you might know what I mean. TGD has a nice theme of prez Bush > in the beginning, but the song is too uninteresting to bear its 10+ > minute length. Disappear reminds me of Space Dye Vest, which is a good > thing, but for 6 minutes, the song isn't very interesting or complex > either. Misunderstood sits somewhere in the middle, between interesting > and not so much. My biggest critique is that Petrucci hasn't had a > single melodic solo yet. The solos I've heard from JP are mostly shred, > which isn't that bad, but I love Petrucci for his melodic, powerful > solos, not his super fast ones. > I'm actually using willpower not to look for the 40 minute title track > =3D) > Let's hope there's some When The Water Breaks or Dance Of Eternity > styles in there, cuz I haven't heard any 19/16 rhythms from Portnoy just > yet! > Before I get flamed, I'll clearly state that this is merely a first > impression and an opinion on what I've heard. I'd like to hear everyone > else's opinions on the new tracks, if you've bothered to give them a > listen. > M.S > >
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: NYC show Message-ID: <20011211190536.59446.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>
>Interesting....I still think it sucks big-time that >it wasn't mentioned on here at all. Forgive me if >I'm wrong, but based on the 10 years that I have been >on this list, I would think that tickets to Dt's >first show since the last tour/album, would be big >news to put up on here.
I agree. As for being "exclusive" I think sending that info to this list would still meet the criteria, considering how many people we seem to still have around here these days :) There are plenty more (at least active) people on the mp forum by all accounts.
And, for those of you just saying to suck it up and start visiting the forum, where the information is available, were you around here in this list's heyday? I know some of you were. I don't see why that has to change. And I hate web forums. Hate them. It is much nicer to get an email package of what's going on, than trying to navigate your way through different threads/responses on a webboard, particularly if your connection isn't always the friendliest. It's just much more user-friendly to get email delivery, at least IMO.
Alex
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:33:15 -0500 From: "Christina Ricciardi" <Stardust@spiritofradio.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Warm-up show Message-ID: <200112111433.AA474874252@mail.spiritofradio.com>
From: XLordoftheRingsX@aol.com
<< is this christina, former photographer of october thorns and friend of dave p. ? >>
Why, yes. Yes it is. :)
~Christina
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:44:32 EST From: XLordoftheRingsX@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Warm-up show Message-ID: <62.1792d2e4.2947bc20@aol.com>
i thought so...im john. daves friend. idont know if u remember. we all went out to eat that nite, and i also saw you at the ren-faire over the summer.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:45:48 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: NYC show Message-ID: <000901c1827c$6e8a0860$39351ec8@atenas>
> > And, for those of you just saying to suck it up and > start visiting the forum, where the information is > available, were you around here in this list's heyday? > I know some of you were. I don't see why that has to > change. And I hate web forums >
Well, ive been here since about before ACOS was released. Even though i love the email list format, times ARE changing and web-forums have become more prolific, proof stands on how this list is nearly dead and the web forums are jumping. Sometimes, even if we hate it, we have to get with the times :)
-Carlos
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:56:40 -0500 From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: NYC show Message-ID: <00c201c1827d$f37ccd90$b5268bd0@ASIDOM.asifalcon.com>
From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> > It is > much nicer to get an email package of what's going on, > than trying to navigate your way through different > threads/responses on a webboard, particularly if your
Well, as I said before, I got the information about the show on the DT site's mailing list, and I know it was on the news page there previous to the sale of the tickets. Not like the show was exclusive to the MP forum. I've never been the MP forum, and I managed to still get tickets for the show.
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:36:06 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: NYC show Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A607C7F@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
I also do not go on a MP forum (I much prefer EMAIL lists rather than having to go to a web site to read stuff), and I read about the warm-up shows either here on the official DT list, or the Symphony X mailing list.. I read about them ahead of time. The warm-up shows don't do me much good in Texas, unfortunately :(
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Everonn [SMTP:progged@everonn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: NYC show > > From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> > > It is > > much nicer to get an email package of what's going on, > > than trying to navigate your way through different > > threads/responses on a webboard, particularly if your > > Well, as I said before, I got the information about the show on the DT > site's mailing list, and I know it was on the news page there previous to > the sale of the tickets. Not like the show was exclusive to the MP forum. > I've never been the MP forum, and I managed to still get tickets for the > show. > > - Chris
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:14:53 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <20011211.151455.-408699.8.kurt.hampton@juno.com>
www.painofsalvation.com
sign up for the newsletter and get the password, Im thinking this release is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry)
Kurt
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:28:45 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPKEFNCFAA.hrivera@crp.org>
>Im thinking this release >is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry)
Not unless they got a new singer and developed some melodic music this time ;)
joe
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:56:18 -0500 From: "Everonn" <progged@everonn.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <002801c1828e$aa2c2030$b5268bd0@ASIDOM.asifalcon.com>
From: "Kurt M Hampton" <kurt.hampton@juno.com> > Im thinking this release > is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry)
Not so sure about that. I mean, I'm a big PoS fan and I can't wait for their new album, but at least from listening to that one track, it's not anything too far off from what PoS has done in the past. I think it'll be a great CD, but probably more along the lines of traditional PoS. The new DT, on the other hand, is going to blow minds, being all experimental and different and kickass and stuff.
Either way, 2002 is shaping up to be a great year already.
- Chris
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:59:27 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: NEW PAIN OF SALVATION ON THE WEB!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <3C16C80F.96C94FC6@yunque.net>
Hah this is the first time ive ever heard the words POS and non melodic in the same sentence! :eek: !! :)
HJ Rivera wrote:
> >Im thinking this release > >is gonna smoke the DT one (sorry) > > Not unless they got a new singer and developed some melodic music this time > ;) > > joe
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:00:15 -0800 From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com> To: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re[2]: Email Lists vs Web forums Message-ID: <20880240779.20011211200015@ivorygate.com>
Tuesday, December 11, 2001, 11:50:57 AM, Carlos wrote: CAA> Well, ive been here since about CAA> before ACOS was released. Even though i love CAA> the email list format, times ARE changing and web-forums CAA> have become more prolific, proof stands on how this CAA> list is nearly dead and the web forums are jumping. CAA> Sometimes, even if we hate it, we have to get with the times :) CAA> -Carlos I much prefer email lists to web boards... I'd rather subscribe to a magazine and have it home delivered than try to remember to check the newstand everyday to see if the latest issue is out. ;-)
Plus, it is way easier to setup filters in your email program than to try and comb through all the tripe that makes up most of the posts on boards... ;-)
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