YTSEJAM Digest 5871
Today's Topics:
1) fan club rants
by Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
2) Live Bitch
by "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
3) questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
4) Re: questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
5) Re: questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set
by "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com>
6) Re: Soilwork
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
7) 3CD set
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
8) Re: 3CD set
by Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au>
9) Setlists
by Simon Dodd <awake@irishnation.com>
10) Re: Soilwork
by emret@ispro.net.tr
11) Re: Soilwork
by "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@ein.xaxon.com>
12) Re: fan club rants
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
13) live again
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
14) live3CD vs. DVD
by Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
15) Re: live3CD vs. DVD
by "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
16) Re: fan club rants
by Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu>
17) Live CD
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro2112@hotmail.com>
18) Re: live3CD vs. DVD
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
19) Question about the upcoming live CDs
by "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
20) Re: Triple live
by Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu>
21) re: Live DT album
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
22) G3 Tix for DC go on sale 6/8
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro2112@hotmail.com>
23) Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
24) Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 01:51:30 -0600
From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: fan club rants
Message-ID: <B7409A22.EEF%twilightzone@mindspring.com>
on 6/3/01 11:01 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
> With all due respect, you didn't pay $25 on a "a
> fan club CD with 10 tracks from
> various live shows throughout the tour". Correct
> me if I'm wrong , but as a
> member of the DTIFC you paid absolutely NOTHING
> for "a fan club CD with 10
> tracks from various live shows throughout the
> tour". The Xmas CD is absolutely
> free when you subscribe to the ToD fanzines,
> remember?
Wrong I subscribed to the club for a $25 CD and 4 free fanzines.
I'm not ashamed to admit it, I'M IN IT FOR THE CD!!! I'm sure I'm not the
only one. I'm a Dream Theater fan. I am in it for the MUSIC, not a nice
picture and article about a stop on the tour.
Be honest, who wants to read about a show that they didn't go to unless it
is the first or last show of the tour? How about reading reviews of 21
different shows? Yep, that is how many have been in the fanzine since I
subscribed. 5 issues.
How about a CD recommendation section that has nothing to do with DT?
I will support the band in any way I can, and yes, I'll get the new 3 disc
set, but I don't think the fanclub is where it is at. Without the CD they
have nothing but some concert reviews and an exclusive interview every 3
months. Hardly worth $6.25 an issue. Maybe $2.50 on the high side.
If Mike releases new Fan CDs off the DT site, I would be first in cyber-line
to buy a copy, no qualms there. I just forsee a downslide of the fanclub.
Don't get me wrong, it is all appreciated, I know it is a lot of hard work,
I just don't think it will be worth $6.25 an issue w/o the yearly CD.
just my on damn opinion,
-corvin
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 01:17:07 -0500
From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Live Bitch
Message-ID: <001001c0ecbe$3397c660$8184e5cf@enteract.com>
First off, yes, G3 must interfere with the work on a new cd, granted. That
still doesn't change my opinion of the 3cd deal. I hope, as you should,
that I have to eat my words, and that the next DT disc is released in the
fall or in the early winter, because THAT'S the Dream Theater I want to
hear... the new innovative DT. Not the "same show just about every night
DT" whose best attempt to spice things up is to make a medley of their own
tunes. These guys are really talented... many of you know what they're
capable of. I wonder why YOU don't hold them to a higher standard.
Don't any of you remember the old days when you had to try and get every
bootleg because they were always doing something different? What happened
to THAT band... the one that flexed its MENTAL power each night, and not
just its hand-eye co-ordination? This is why the albums are so great... all
the effort finally culminating in a tapestry of sound. This is why I left
the last DT show I went to shortly after Home. I want to see these guys
push EVERYTHING, not just "how fast can I play this chop." The concert
portion of the DVD bored me to tears.
If you read the last jam, you already see that there's pressure to support
the band etc. I like Dream Theater a lot. I respect them as people and as
musicians. But I don't hold any illusions of being good buddies with the
guys. I'm not going to go hang out with them before the show. I'd love to,
but I also think they have enough to worry about. As a result, I am a fan,
and that, while having emotional implications, is much like a business
relationship. I love Volkswagon. If I'm poised to buy a GTI as my next car
(currently a Golf driver) and they don't offer some significant changes
between the MK IV and the next model, I'm not going to buy it. I've already
been there. It's familiar. The thrill is sort of not a big deal anymore.
Let's make this clear. Dream Theater knows how to make this cd worth it to
ALL of the fans. They should do something significantly DIFFERENT on it.
Something to set it apart. How hard would it be to play one more show with
some variations in the PLAYING, NOT THE SETLIST (MR. HANSEN), and release
THAT as the official live album, and then include a bonus disc of the
material that wasn't on the DVD? That's a rhetorical question. I am a
musician, and I know that this is not rocket science. I have no interest in
entertaining arguments about the logistics involved.
So you see, I am a fan of DT, and I want to support them, and I want them to
drive around in Ferraris (I know they're not Yngwie-rich) but why do I want
this? Not because they're my best friends, and because I went to school
with them, but because of their music, and the choices they make. If I
disagree with the choice, it seems logical to refrain from the purchase.
It's nothing personal. Much like the decision to release a 3 cd live album,
it's just business.
- Chris
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:27:34 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set
Message-ID: <B7407866.1EC3%schansen@cts.com>
Hey all,
As I was reading over everyone's opinion on the new live CD set that coming
out (some seemed to be somewhat valid reasons - moreso than the Xmas/Fan
Club discussion), I began to wonder something that I'd like to ask everyone,
and I hope that everyone will respond to. The question is:
If Elektra and/or DT had opted to put out a DVD/3CD combo set (similar to
what QR had done with Operation LIVEcrime) for what it will cost to buy the
DVD and 3CD set separately (around $55) instead of releasing them
separately, would all of you found it excessive? Would you be as hesitant to
purchase the set as you are to purchase the 3CD set, since you have the DVD
already?
In comparison, consider the aforementioned Operation LIVEcrime "box" set -
here you had a video of nothing but the live performance of O:M and then you
got a CD with the soundtrack to the video and nothing more; was that
considered excessive, especially since the price back then was AFAIK around
$40 and you got the video on videotape as opposed to DVD, which I realize
did not exist back when Operation LIVEcrime was released, but for comparison
sake?
I'd like to hear everyone's opinions - not just those against the 3CD set.
And since Operation LIVEcrime is part of the discussion, how many of you
will be purchasing the re-issue (remaster?) of Operation LIVEcrime (which is
just the CD - no video) since it will feature 3 "bonus" tracks (Roads to
Madness, Take Hold of the Flame and Lady Wore Black)?
Scott
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:38:35 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@home.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010604023827.00a1e370@mail.avnl1.nj.home.com>
At 02:39 AM 6/4/2001, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>As I was reading over everyone's opinion on the new live CD set that coming
>Hmmmm. I'd actually buy that CD, sans video.
>out (some seemed to be somewhat valid reasons - moreso than the Xmas/Fan
>Club discussion), I began to wonder something that I'd like to ask everyone,
>and I hope that everyone will respond to. The question is:
>
>If Elektra and/or DT had opted to put out a DVD/3CD combo set (similar to
>what QR had done with Operation LIVEcrime) for what it will cost to buy the
>DVD and 3CD set separately (around $55) instead of releasing them
>separately, would all of you found it excessive? Would you be as hesitant to
>purchase the set as you are to purchase the 3CD set, since you have the DVD
>already?
>
>In comparison, consider the aforementioned Operation LIVEcrime "box" set -
>here you had a video of nothing but the live performance of O:M and then you
>got a CD with the soundtrack to the video and nothing more; was that
>considered excessive, especially since the price back then was AFAIK around
>$40 and you got the video on videotape as opposed to DVD, which I realize
>did not exist back when Operation LIVEcrime was released, but for comparison
>sake?
>
>I'd like to hear everyone's opinions - not just those against the 3CD set.
>
>And since Operation LIVEcrime is part of the discussion, how many of you
>will be purchasing the re-issue (remaster?) of Operation LIVEcrime (which is
>just the CD - no video) since it will feature 3 "bonus" tracks (Roads to
>Madness, Take Hold of the Flame and Lady Wore Black)?
>
>Scott
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:46:51 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" <dreamryche@bigpond.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: questions with regards to the debate on the 3CD set Message-ID: <004b01c0ecc2$24e0d9a0$764636cb@PaulTadday>
I'd have been even more excited about SFNY if the live cd's had been included even though it would have cost almost $100 Australian!
And yes... I will be buying the re-issue of Livecrime. Both the DVD and cd with the bonus material.
-Paul.
----- Original Message ----- ]From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
> Hey all, > > As I was reading over everyone's opinion on the new live CD set that coming > out (some seemed to be somewhat valid reasons - moreso than the Xmas/Fan > Club discussion), I began to wonder something that I'd like to ask everyone, > and I hope that everyone will respond to. The question is: etc... etc...
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:39:31 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Soilwork Message-ID: <3B1B3B33.E2D01BCE@optushome.com.au>
Carlos A. Alfaro Hernandez wrote:
> i have one of their disc, i forget the title, but its all black and shit on the > cover... its kick ass...but IMO theyre more like in flames with 7 string (or > detuned) guitars than meshuggah... > they rock anyways!
The you'd definately like their most recent release 'A Predator's Portrait', full of great riff's, songs and even a few catchy chorus to boot. Opeth's Mikael Åkerfeldt is also singing on one of the songs (clean vox in the chorus) and sounds suspiciously like him on several other songs too.
Check it out, one of the years best.
graham
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 00:52:42 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@xinu.irv.concentric.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 3CD set Message-ID: <20010604005242.A22824@xinu.irv.concentric.net>
I find this entire debate mute, who buys CD nowadays anyways? ;)
Save the environment! Use mp3!
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 18:04:44 +1000 From: Graham Boyle <gjboyle@optushome.com.au> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: 3CD set Message-ID: <3B1B411C.FF4CDDA4@optushome.com.au>
Dr. Mosh wrote:
> I find this entire debate mute, who buys CD nowadays anyways? ;) > Save the environment! Use mp3!
I agree 100%, plus they are free. There is nothing quite like the feeling of downloading a complete album months before it's official release. But nothing beats the feeling of knowing that the artist's hard work is pissed up against the wall and the joy of knowing that these mp3's are ripping off the bands.
Like they need the money.
graham
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 01:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Dodd <awake@irishnation.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Setlists Message-ID: <20010604082939.C388536F9@sitemail.everyone.net>
>I know (from reliable sources) that MP would love to >go nuts !! It is the other TOADS in the group that >want "same-old-same-old". And the story line of >Jordan having to pre-program his keys to match the >setlist makes me PUKE !!
Actually, I think the latter argument is void anyway. There's no good reason why Jordan couldn't program setups for each song, and then chain them together in any way they desired. That way, they could change around the setlist anything up to an hour or so before the show. You'd be AMAZED what you can do with Kurzweil OS!
As for teh other part...OK, so who are the TOADS? ;)
~SJD
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 101 08:57:06 GMT From: emret@ispro.net.tr To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Soilwork Message-ID: <200106040857.f548v6q61023@finland.ispro.net.tr>
They are f*cking great !!
> > Anybody into Soilwork?? F*cking kick ass... almost like a melodic Meshuggah.. > > -The Doc >
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 18:23:32 +0900 From: "hitomi iwai" <hit_i@ein.xaxon.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Soilwork Message-ID: <000f01c0ecd8$28ed3820$c9e799d2@computer>
Yes I dig Soilwork too. To me, their first 2 albums sounded like another Swedish extreme metal band Arch Enemy(plus a little thrashy elements) due to the twin guitar and the lyrical guitar solos. They finally captured their own style with their new release "A Predator's Portrait", IMO. I can't wait for their upcoming shows in my country...
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 07:48:27 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fan club rants Message-ID: <6044C6CD4D855D11EA830005B8CC831F@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
As Mike said on the very first XMAS CD, the CD was a way to repay everyo= ne for years of them screwing up the fan club. I guess we've been repaid or the debt is paid off. Whatever. In any case, it = may have worked against them for all the reasons stated by Chris here below. Yes, the fanzine is pretty. It's not worth it. Why wait = for news from the Netherlands? For those that live without any kind of 21st Century technology, feel free to stay on. I have a feeling the= re will be a MAJOR dropoff in renewals unless they have another big plan. IF they do, they may want to make it well known prior to tha= t point.
Rob ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:07:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: fan club rants
on 6/3/01 11:01 PM, ytsejam@torchsong.com at ytsejam@torchsong.com wrot= e:
> With all due respect, you didn't pay $25 on a "a > fan club CD with 10 tracks from > various live shows throughout the tour". Correct > me if I'm wrong , but as a > member of the DTIFC you paid absolutely NOTHING > for "a fan club CD with 10 > tracks from various live shows throughout the > tour". The Xmas CD is absolutely > free when you subscribe to the ToD fanzines, > remember?
Wrong I subscribed to the club for a $25 CD and 4 free fanzines. I'm not ashamed to admit it, I'M IN IT FOR THE CD!!! =A0I'm sure I'm no= t the only one. =A0I'm a Dream Theater fan. =A0I am in it for the MUSIC, not = a nice picture and article about a stop on the tour.
Be honest, who wants to read about a show that they didn't go to unless= it is the first or last show of the tour? =A0How about reading reviews of = 21 different shows? =A0Yep, that is how many have been in the fanzine sinc= e I subscribed. =A05 issues.
How about a CD recommendation section that has nothing to do with DT?
I will support the band in any way I can, and yes, I'll get the new 3 d= isc set, but I don't think the fanclub is where it is at. =A0Without the CD= they have nothing but some concert reviews and an exclusive interview every = 3 months. =A0Hardly worth $6.25 an issue. =A0Maybe $2.50 on the high side= .
If Mike releases new Fan CDs off the DT site, I would be first in cyber= -line to buy a copy, no qualms there. =A0I just forsee a downslide of the fan= club.
Don't get me wrong, it is all appreciated, I know it is a lot of hard w= ork, I just don't think it will be worth $6.25 an issue w/o the yearly CD.
just my on damn opinion, -corvin
---- End Original Message ----
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: live again Message-ID: <20010604122552.86036.qmail@web10707.mail.yahoo.com>
I really don't believe this is the same jam that talks about getting multiple boots from this last tour. If I had fans like this, I'd quit jumping through the hole in my ass to please all these whinners. This again proves my theory that a good percentage of DT fans are nothing but spoiled little children. There aren't many bands out there that care this much about fans. They decided that they would release this live cd because the demand would be great. I thought it would be great too. I guess we were wrong. P.S. And don't start bitching about the damn same show on the same tour shit. Consider yourself lucky just to be able to go to more than one show and shut the hell up!
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 08:32:56 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: live3CD vs. DVD Message-ID: <3B1B7FF8.1BBE9019@optonline.com>
Well...I might not buy the triple CD, but I do think it's great that they're releasing it. For one thing, I don't yet have a DVD player and I've been sitting on m hands waiting for the day I can watch the DVD. Now I could listen to the roseland show right away, if I were so inclined.
As far as fan support and all that, I don't think Elektra seriously expects this to sell as well as the other stuff. This is a TRIPLE CD, of stuff that that's already on an album, AND a DVD. They would be fools to use this release as a barometer.
That said, I know this sounds paranoid, but has anyone noticed anything strange about all this? I have heard a multitude of complaints about the quality of the DVD audio, how it's compressed and lacks definition, etc. And Mike has stated that he doesn't know why they didn't use 5.1, and that there was room for it and he's puzzled by why it wasn't mixed that way.
I'm sure the triple live CD won't suffer from these anomolies...I've already seen several comments, to the effect of "I'll buy this triple CD just for the better audio."
Not to sound paranoid, of course. ;)
-josh
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:10:19 -0500 From: "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: live3CD vs. DVD Message-ID: <F206TIVvLVKi3s1wsXZ000133ca@hotmail.com>
]From: Joshua Rasiel <megafunk@optonline.net>
That said, I know this sounds paranoid, but has anyone noticed anything strange about all this? I have heard a multitude of complaints about the quality of the DVD audio, how it's compressed and lacks definition, etc. And Mike has stated that he doesn't know why they didn't use 5.1, and that there was room for it and he's puzzled by why it wasn't mixed that way. -josh
And where did you get this information?? From what I understand, it was Elektra that held Mike back as far as the DVD release. He would've had to cut the bonus tracks if they put the release in 5.1 in my understanding of the whole thing...
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 16:16:30 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin <sdts@sdts.nu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: fan club rants Message-ID: <3B1B983E.F3AE2463@sdts.nu>
Chris Elder wrote:
> Wrong I subscribed to the club for a $25 CD and 4 free fanzines. I'm no= t > ashamed to admit it, I'M IN IT FOR THE CD!!! I'm sure I'm not the only= one. > I'm a Dream Theater fan. I am in it for the MUSIC, not a nice picture = and > article about a stop on the tour.
What neither you or Rob Pociluck seem to understand is that I'm simply st= ating the facts. I'm not telling you what part of the fanclub membership you sh= ould appreciate the most, I'm telling you that the CD is free (according to To= D). -- Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater-S=E4llskapet http://www.sdts.nu - mailto:sdts@sdts.nu
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:28:08 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Live CD Message-ID: <F156ICSsiWdBdsnvUFc00012d1f@hotmail.com>
Just to chime in w/ another $.02.
1. I love DT's music.
2. If they sell CD's, DVD's, etc., they make money, the label makes money AND this allows OFB to make -MORE- NEW music.
I am very much looking forward to buying the new live CD and REALLY excited about a new CD with more new DT music. I already have the DVD which I think is awesome and I will buy everything DT sells until such time as no longer get enjoyment from the new music they put out.
I must have ALL of DT's CDs! (That was awesome! I agree 100%!)
I would have thought that this was the majority's way of seeing things for the people on this list. I am a little disapointed to see that it is not!
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:51:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: live3CD vs. DVD Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106041149510.78230-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, A_Change Of_Seasons wrote:
> And where did you get this information?? From what I understand, it > was Elektra that held Mike back as far as the DVD release. He > would've had to cut the bonus tracks if they put the release in 5.1 in > my understanding of the whole thing...
Actually, no. Mike did make that comment once in the Ask Mike section of the MP.com Forum (I think it was there and not in the General Forum). He said that there WOULD have been room to put the 5.1 mix on the DVD, but Kevin Shirley decided instead to mix it in stereo.
On the other hand, I still don't understand what the benefits of a 5.1 mix of a live concert in which all the sound is coming from the front would be.
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:33:35 -0600 From: "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Question about the upcoming live CDs Message-ID: <002101c0ed14$210553e0$bc598a80@fx1f00b>
With all of the debate about the upcoming live triple-CD set, I'm wondering: will there be any overdubs on it, or will they be taking the OiaL raw, warts-and-all approach?
This, for me, is the deciding factor in whether or not I'll buy it. It's great to see the band live, but my god, listening to James squeak and crack his way through songs like TTT and Voices on OiaL was freaking painful. That's the sort of thing that *should* be touched up on a live CD, and that it wasn't is the reason I very rarely listen to OiaL. Obviously, there's an important balance to be struck here; Rush made that journey, and IMO found the right balance on Different Stages. It's important, I guess, for James to be a good showman and to run around on stage and whatnot, but that sort of stuff is meaningless on a CD. If they're going to polish it a bit in that regard, then for me the CD set is worth getting. If it's going to be three discs of listening to James' voice change, then I'll have to think twice.
And then I'll probably buy it anyway. =)
--matt tedesco
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric George <edgeorge@geneva.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Triple live Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010604132615.9043A-100000@sparcy.geneva.edu>
bingo....
On Sat, 2 Jun 2001, Dan Costello wrote:
> > >why buy something that you don't neccesarily NEED > > well, we don't NEED any of our music, do we? there are plenty of people > on earth who get > by without mountains of cd's and stereo equipment. We buy things because > we enjoy them. > > -Dan. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: Live DT album Message-ID: <20010604175147.74838.qmail@web12106.mail.yahoo.com>
"Christopher W. Ptacek" <someone@digitalrodent.com> wrote:
> I have to kind of agree with those who are not very interested in this > album. This is what, live cd 4, 5 and 6? Not including boots. What's > next, a best of?
Well, if they follow the Deep Purple model, it would be 1) Studio Album, 2) Live Album, 3) New Best Of Album, Repeat.
DT's music doesn't lend itself well to "Best ofs", so it will probably remain Studio, Live, Repeat...
I'm glad DT is able to put out all this material. It doesn't mean I'll buy it all. The video version of the live material is good enough for me. I'm not much for live or boot recordings anyway. (Of course there's always the exception of the classic live recordings. I.e. see Derek's comments on the 5 Years in A Livetime video, and make sure to add UFO/Strangers in the Night to that list!)
It seems to me that extraordinary live recordings deviate quite a bit from the original studio recordings. DT tends to stay too close to the original on their live shows for my taste. If the DT live recordings were significantly different from the original studio versions, then I'd be buying them.
my $.02, BH
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 13:52:16 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: G3 Tix for DC go on sale 6/8 Message-ID: <F1229OGHKVwXKyYD5Ko00008e65@hotmail.com>
For those interested in going to see G3 at the Warner Theater in DC-
TicketBastard says that tix will go on sale Fri, 6/8/01 :-)
BTW, since I am giving you this news, anyone who gets seats which are better than mine must trade with me ;-)
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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106041421370.17629-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Matthew Tedesco wrote:
> This, for me, is the deciding factor in whether or not I'll buy it. > It's great to see the band live, but my god, listening to James squeak > and crack his way through songs like TTT and Voices on OiaL was > freaking painful. That's the sort of thing that *should* be touched up > on a live CD, and that it wasn't is the reason I very rarely listen to > OiaL.
Have you even HEARD the audio from this DVD? James is in top form, and not only is he treating his voice better these days, but he also seems to be settling into his voice, now that he's a little older.
But even without overdubs, this recording is without a doubt much higher quality vocally than OIALT was. I doubt they'd need to do it.
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Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:55:49 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question about the upcoming live CDs Message-ID: <3B1BD9B4.3D88BFBA@yunque.net>
Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
> But even without overdubs, this recording is without a doubt much higher > quality vocally than OIALT was. I doubt they'd need to do it. > >
Exactly, the only thing i would touch is the mix, id bring up the high frequencies to be more prominent, specially the hihat and cymbals...get some definition in there IMO the mix on the dvd is too muddy/midrangeish ...then again so is OIALT... that seems to be a kevin shirley thing...then again the LTE Cd's sound great (specially the drums) and he also mixed that IIRC...
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