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YTSEJAM Digest 5794

Today's Topics:

1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5793
by "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
 2) Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia"
by "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
 3) Re: Natural Viagra
by Billy920@webtv.net
 4) Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia"
by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?= <mikael.hagstrom@bracke.mail.telia.com>
 5) Jimmy Johnson
by "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
 6) Paul Gilbert w/Sherinian?
by "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
 7) savatage first impressions
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
 8) Re: Jimmy Johnson
by "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
 9) Do it From Home...
by carlos2576@agd.nsw.gov.au
10) Mortgage Rates DROPPED! Act Now & Save! 13661
by jimmyc25@consultant.com
11) Drive Your Web Counter Ballistic 6639
by SearchEngineHell102@yahoo.com
12) the K word
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu>
13) switching tracks
by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
14) Re: switching tracks
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
15) derek's band
by "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
16) Re: switching tracks
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
17) Re: old-timers
by "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
18) old-timer Ytsejammers
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
19) what is prog?
by Peter Van Daele <pvdaele@usa.net>
20) Re: what is prog?
by Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:46:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Dominic H. Kallas" <dkallas@eecs.tufts.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5793
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10103111032560.29629-100000@andante.eecs.tufts.edu>

> Two songs also feature violinist Jerry Goodman, which especially
> makes the song "Astroglide" sound like a long lost U.K. track.
>
"Astroglide," eh? I'd ask how Derek is familiar with that product, but
that would be too slippery a topic...

Electronically,
Dom

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:10:32 -0400
From: "Andre Navarro" <gan_andre@hotmail.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia"
Message-ID: <OE38N1gHrQ5NeEzVWRb000021ee@hotmail.com>

DUH!! hehe =)

How come I didnt know about this new album?

> > For samples, check out http://www.xplanetx.com/
>
> Oops, make that http://www.dereksherinian.com/
>
> Mark Bredius

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:02:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Billy920@webtv.net
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Natural Viagra
Message-ID: <15020-3AABAFB8-7436@storefull-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:08:06 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?= <mikael.hagstrom@bracke.mail.telia.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Derek Sherinian's "Inertia"
Message-ID: <001c01c0aa4d$d7699b00$cf0841d5@telia.com>

> Guitars are handled by Steve Lukather (Toto) and Zakk Wylde,
> with Simon Phillips (also of Toto) on drums... The bassplayers
> are Tony Franklin (who also plays on Derek's "Planet X" album),
> Tom Kennedy (from Planet X's "Universe") and Jimmy Johnson
> (never heard of him)...

Never heard of Jimmy Johnson... hmm. He's only played on a couple of =
hundred records or so!
I got at least 30 discs with him playing, but then again it's not on any =
prog. music. (he's an LA based session player, he've played a lot with =
Lukather & Simon on different things and projects)
He's an awesome bass player, class, style & the chops.... plus a groove =
to die for!

Mike
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:09:51 -0700
From: "Matthew Tedesco" <Matthew.Tedesco@colorado.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Jimmy Johnson
Message-ID: <002501c0aa4e$1b136200$99598a80@fx1f00b>

> From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
> with Simon Phillips (also of Toto) on drums... The bassplayers
> are Tony Franklin (who also plays on Derek's "Planet X" album),
> Tom Kennedy (from Planet X's "Universe") and Jimmy Johnson
> (never heard of him)...

I'm familiar with Johnson's work on several Holdsworth albums... the guy is
a fantastic jazz bassist. Sounds like Derek has once again put together
quite a lineup. For info on Jimmy Johnson, check out:

http://www.ejn.it/mus/jimmy_j.htm

Now back to another enormous pile of Thoughts digests, Vol 1 #10 49 msgs,
which have been piling up in my inbox at a rate of one a minute for the last
two days. You know, for all of the horrible solicitations we get here, the
jam has never assaulted me in the way that thoughts is now....

--matt tedesco

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:52:32 -0500
From: "Matt Molite" <ytsejam11@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Paul Gilbert w/Sherinian?
Message-ID: <EF57386604615D11EAF10005B8CC831F@ytsejam11.dreamtheater.zzn.com>

I read on some Paul Gilbert website that he was going to be on Derek
Sherinians "upcoming album." I went to both their sites and I see
nothing about this. Can anyone confirm this or shoot this down as
yet another rumor? Thanks.

Matt

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:47:28
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: savatage first impressions
Message-ID: <F180zxxfYXFrwiZ9rWj00007cb7@hotmail.com>

<html>>I would start out with Dead Winter Dead.  (And not just 'cause it was my first, hehe)  This is >a fantastic album and gives a good indication of where Savatage are now, musically - of >course I haven't heard the new one, Poets & Madmen, which has been called a "change"....
I might go with Edge of Thorns as a first Sava disc, because (even though they change members almost every CD) that was where their big transition came into play....It was the first album with Zak Stevens, their last with Criss Oliva, so it kind of foretells the next 8 years, while still looking back at the previous 8-9. The songs are more indicative of where they went afterwards, hinting at the somewhat symphonic metal direction they were to take through the end of the 90s, but with some songs retaining the crunch of where they had been.
As for Poets and Madmen, my first impressions is that they tailored it for Jon Oliva's vocals, returning to some of the riff styles that they used back in the 80s. A first couple of listens put me in the mind more of Gutter Ballet than of any of the stuff they did since, and while I'm liking it a lot, I can't help but keep thinking at certain points, " this part would have been soooo cool with Zak singing." This may well turn out to be one of those, "What might have been..." albums for me. The obvious dichotomy of zak=poets and jon=madmen (vocals wise) would have been interesting to hear.
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:36:18 -0700
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <korgx3@enchantize.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson
Message-ID: <002101c0aa6a$ef3706b0$2a4153d8@washburn>

> Subject: Jimmy Johnson

Didn't he coach the Dallas Cowboys, too?

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:46:49 -0500
From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@mail.wm.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: the K word
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010311224437.00ab56f0@mail.wm.edu>

>> Off Grace again the other day and was struck by the
>> soft quality of Kuntz's voice.. amazing.

>hehe... he said kuntz.

Or rather, she said. :)
Did I catch ya'll while you were still drunk?

Alex, currently not drunk and also hungry from not having eaten any dinner

Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures.
Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42
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BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm
and bitch-slap the motherfucker upside the head.

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 04:14:25
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <ahtrap@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: switching tracks
Message-ID: <F168fuTGC7E9EzsiGPw00008477@hotmail.com>

hey, how come no one called me on all the html junk that was embedded in my
posts? Used to be, people were all over that crap, but now no one cares any
more....or maybe I've been here too long? :)

apologies, if necessary
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:32:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: switching tracks
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0103112329440.56082-100000@oz.plymouth.edu>

On Sun, 11 Mar 2001, Partha Mukhopadhyay wrote:

> hey, how come no one called me on all the html junk that was embedded
> in my posts? Used to be, people were all over that crap, but now no
> one cares any more....or maybe I've been here too long? :)

Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :)

Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the
'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only
joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us
left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back...
but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously
don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years?

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:17:23 +1100
From: "mikel@alphalink.com.au" <mikel@alphalink.com.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: derek's band
Message-ID: <3AACBE51.223F61B3@alphalink.com.au>

Didnt Jimmy Johnson play with Allan Holdsworth?

Hmm... what do people think of Steve Lukather. The only stuff of his I have
is this instructional video he did and a concert with Jeff Beck and Santana both
of whom completely wipe the floor with him. What's he been doing recently?

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:16:12 -0400
From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <prog@yunque.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: switching tracks
Message-ID: <3AACCC1C.E690AF69@yunque.net>

Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:

> Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :)
>
> Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the
> 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only
> joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us
> left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back...
> but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously
> don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years?

I dont consider myself a high profile user, but i joined the list just about
the time Acos was released...

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:58:24 -0500
From: "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: old-timers
Message-ID: <004101c0aafc$827414e0$0300005a@kezp3800>

Andrew Count..........Courta.......Cutor.........ummmmm.........Cloak wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on the
> 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only
> joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us
> left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back...
> but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I obviously
> don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years?

Well, I'm not at all high profile, except for the brief exchange of
mini-flames with MP about the Deep Purple gigs(which I'm sure no one here
remembers besides me) way back in '98, but I've been here since around the
same time as you, Cloak. I read it all, just don't post much.

And I miss Bafu.

Kez, an elder 'Jammer, kind of.

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:24:15 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: old-timer Ytsejammers
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A037D1C8F@ISDCRE00>

Hmm my first Ytsejam digest was # 700 and I've been here ever since.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:prog@yunque.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 7:31 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: switching tracks
>
>
> Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:
>
> > Too many people are afraid of the Wrath of Ahtrap, it seems. :)
> >
> > Speaking of which, I wonder how many true old-timers are still left on
> the
> > 'jam. I mean, I wouldn't consider myself a true old-timer, since I only
> > joined in '97, but I have a feeling that there aren't very many of us
> > left. There's what, Korgy, Pellaz, Partha, Ptacek, Al, Coldie's back...
> > but who else is around that's been a high-profile user (sorry, I
> obviously
> > don't know you five-year lurkers, heh) for several years?
>
> I dont consider myself a high profile user, but i joined the list just
> about
> the time Acos was released...
>
>
> Carlos A. Alfaro
> Internet Solutions, Inc
> P.O. Box 29742
> San Juan, PR 00929
> Tel(787) 281-6660 Fax (787) 281-7888
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>

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Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:35:54 MET
From: Peter Van Daele <pvdaele@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: what is prog?
Message-ID: <20010312143554.1162.qmail@nwcst338.netaddress.usa.net>

The other day, I had a discussion with my brother about progressive music=
=2E We
have some so-called progressive albums that we really like (full discogra=
phy
of DreamTheater, Spock's Beard, Vanden Plas (The God Thing actually does
resemble DT a lot), PoS, and some others), so I thought I knew what was
progressive.
I had this tune written which I concidered to be quite progressive. So I =
made
my brother listen to it, and he replied:'That's not prog. Your chords are=
all
wrong to be prog, blablablabla' Anyway, in short, he said that in order t=
o be
progressive, all chords should resolve in the next, while that was not th=
e
case in that song. Hence, the song was plain old anything-but-prog.
It made me think about something. I always thought about progressive musi=
c as
a complex melodic-oriented music. I never thought about theoretic
characteristics, as he did.
As some of you in this list are actual musicians with actual knowledge ab=
out
music, I'm asking you: what is it that makes prog prog?

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:54:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <a_couter@mail.plymouth.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: what is prog?
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Peter Van Daele wrote:

> The other day, I had a discussion with my brother about progressive
> music. We have some so-called progressive albums that we really like
> (full discography of Dream Theater, Spock's Beard, Vanden Plas (The
> God Thing actually does resemble DT a lot), PoS, and some others), so
> I thought I knew what was progressive. I had this tune written which I
> concidered to be quite progressive. So I made my brother listen to it,
> and he replied:'That's not prog. Your chords are all wrong to be prog,
> blablablabla' Anyway, in short, he said that in order to be progres-
> sive, all chords should resolve in the next, while that was not the
> case in that song. Hence, the song was plain old anything-but-prog.
> It made me think about something. I always thought about progressive
> music as a complex melodic-oriented music. I never thought about
> theoretic characteristics, as he did. As some of you in this list are
> actual musicians with actual knowledge about music, I'm asking you:
> what is it that makes prog prog?

I suggest that, since a lot of people (especially those of us who have
been on for a year or more) have seen this discussion WAY more than once,
that you check the ytsejam archives and look for answers there. :)

But truly, I think it's so pointless to try and put a label like progres-
sive on something you write. I mean, unless you're trying to cater to a
certain audience, why do you have to label your music? I dunno, I just
think that if you're arguing over whether it's prog or not, somebody's
missing the point of the music. I always hate these 'what is prog'
discussions that start up because it encourages us to limit our thinking.
Let's not do that.

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