YTSEJAM Digest 5988
Today's Topics:
1) RE: The future looks bright
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
2) okay, here's an idea
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
3) I need to vent..
by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
4) RE: okay, here's an idea
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
5) Pick a finger
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
6) Terrorist Attacks
by "Maarten Braakhekke" <Breakgate@hotmail.com>
7)
by "Chris Izzy" <slugg3r@hotmail.com>
8) Military Training
by Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com>
9) Re: okay, here's an idea
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
10) Re: your mail
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
11) (L) So much for avoiding discussions involving:
by Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com>
12) new g3 video online,John Petrucci - Damage Control
by "Emre Topuzoglu" <Emret@ispro.net.tr>
13) Making a comment
by "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com>
14) Ahhh...
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
15) Re: Ahhh...
by "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
16) Re: Ahhh...
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
17) RE: Ahhh...
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:57:47 -0500
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: The future looks bright
Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2548@ISDCRE00>
Well opinions are like A-holes....... you know the story. Everyone has
one. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Life goes on.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:calfaro@yunque.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:00 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: The future looks bright
>
>
>
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> > As was the attack in New York.
> >
> > Time for that kind of activity all over the world to end.
> >
>
> Right, all arabs need to be exterminated to a point that 31 years from now
> kids
> wont know they didnt even exist. THAT will solve all the terrorist
> problems
> in the
> world right?
> sheesh...
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:13:55 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: okay, here's an idea
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20011009161127.00a4cc20@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Here's an idea. Why not take the political discussions to *private email*,
where they belong, instead of posting them here where they're bound to
start flame wars?
I've seen several longtime list members responding to the latest
"terrorist, WTC, etc." threads. You should know better by now :)
Think before you hit the Send button, folks.
cheers,
Phil
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-- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:37:00 -0500
From: "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: I need to vent..
Message-ID: <3BC35FEB.E81AE8BD@isd.net>
I want to remind people of something.. If it had not been for
U.S. involvement in W.W.II, most of you WHITE people would be
speaking German. And for those other than whites, care make
guesses regarding your future?
If the Taliban and other Islamic extremists had the technology,
(They certainly have the will) The entire USA would be a vast
wasteland. How do you think that would affect the world economy?
And do you really think they would stop with the USA? The USA
has the ability to vaporize the entire Middle East, yet thus far we've
elected not to use such extreme measures. Who are the real tyrants
here?
Our Government certainly isn't perfect, but it sure has saved a
lot of your asses. And more than likely will continue to do so.
Pick a God and pray to him!
-- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:59:49 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: okay, here's an idea Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA254E@ISDCRE00>
Phil, that is the best piece of advice I've seen all day.
While I can not recall that joke I sent to the Jam, I do regret sending it. Apologies to anyone offended by it.
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Carter [SMTP:phil@usefulware.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: okay, here's an idea > > Greetings ye 'jamanoids... > > Here's an idea. Why not take the political discussions to *private email*, > > where they belong, instead of posting them here where they're bound to > start flame wars? > > I've seen several longtime list members responding to the latest > "terrorist, WTC, etc." threads. You should know better by now :) > > Think before you hit the Send button, folks. > > cheers, > Phil > >
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:06:30 -0500 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Pick a finger Message-ID: <001401c15106$472d76a0$602227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
Julio Fucinos wrote:
>after reading the last ytsejam's issues and millions >of posts to dt.net, i've realized that american people >are more blind that i could never imagine ...
Such rash generalizations about groups of people will lead to great mistakes later. Americans are not blind.
Doc wrote:
>What's wrong with blaming "christians"?? The name of God has >been used to kill >more people and destroy more civilizations than any other name of >the same.
>-The Doc
God has been used as a scapegoat for many things. However, I assure you God had nothing to do with it. Opportunistic people will use whatever is at their disposal to convince, brainwash, and encourage other people to things they want done.
Thorin
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:25:45 +0200 From: "Maarten Braakhekke" <Breakgate@hotmail.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Terrorist Attacks Message-ID: <OE54KeSovytLUPcPn2E0000a469@hotmail.com>
> Know what you are talking about... > > > When was the last time Americans > > supported a country when it wasn't in OUR interests? > > Not to start anything here, but since there is a lack of music related > posts, what the hell. I feel the need to defend my country.
There'se no need to, I never critisized it. I was just saying that the international response would have been A LOT different if it had been a different country.
> RP > Read this, it might clear up your confused mind, along with anyone that is > confused about our/ MY great country, ahem... Maarten: > > TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES > This, from a Canadian Newspaper, is worth sharing. > America: The Good Neighbor. . . . . . > present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. Stand proud, America! > Wear it proudly!!"
Thanks for the history lesson and the touching display of nationalism but this doesn't mean that the death of an American is any worse than the death of anyone somewhere else in the world.
> and... > >Terrible stuff like this, and worse, is happening every day and has been > >happening for decades if not centuries all over the world. > > So it is common for other countries to lose billion dollar monuments, and > hundreds of billions more in the economy, lost companies and the like. Not > to mention 6,000 innocent people murdered. Not likely. You are comparing > grapes to watermelons.
In Yougoslavia GENOCIDE took place. I would call that bigger that grapes OR watermellons.Does it matter that 6,000 innocent people are murdered in a half hour or in one month or even a year? I don't think so. And think about your statement "losing billion dollar monuments" while keeping in mind that in America there is more then enough money two build new "monuments" while in other countries people are starving.
> This message reminds me of some video footage of Afghanis celebrating the > day of the attacks, passing out M&Ms to the kids, meanwhile there is a Pepsi > machine clear as day in the background. Now who are the hypocrites?
I remember video footage of other Afganis asking for an UN or even a NATO army in their country, several years ago, to restore order and protect them from the Taliban. Don't generalise. I don't think the Afghan fugatives in Pakistan where cheering in the streets, the day of the attack.
> - chris Maarten
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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:35:06 -0400 From: "Chris Izzy" <slugg3r@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <F163p7AVliVMJAKuzOT00008112@hotmail.com>
I thought this was a mailing list for Dream Theater Maniacs, YTSE JAMMERS and Die-Hard fans...I have nothing against the States or any other Nation but I hate reading Patriotic speeches etc. etc. etc. when I expect to recieve Music Related Subjects...Think about the only thing that is regrouping us in here -->music<-- which is, I think, far from politics or any related subjects. Thanx.
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen <bhansen10@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Military Training Message-ID: <20011009234539.68569.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com>
"Nick Bogovich" <bogie@schliz.com> wrote:
> If the police department trains him to become this mass murderer, then > it is absolutely the police department's fault for training him.
Well, that's stretching the analogy a bit. I'm not aware of any modern Police Program where mass murder is part of the training. But rumor has it that some include torture techniques...
If a Police training program did intentionally teach mass murder of innocent people, they certainly would be an accessory to the crime. But the murderer himself is still the primary guilty party. Are you going to just let the murderer continue his murder spree, and excuse him because he received some kind of "training"?
While it's quite possible for someone with Military Training to become a murderer, it's just as likely that someone without training will do it. There is no proven cause and effect. Even if there was a slightly higher probability of an ex-military person being a murderer, who's to say that it's caused by the training? Maybe psychos are just more likely to join the military in the first place. (No offense intended to military personel or assorted psychos). ;o)
my $.02, BH
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:57:53 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: okay, here's an idea Message-ID: <20011009165753.A26347@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
Heheh, it's just been a slow decade.
Where's Michael Coglan!!?!?!
;)
-The Doc "Save the earth, eradicate the humans!"
Signal received 0. Phil Carter <phil@usefulware.com> said: > Greetings ye 'jamanoids... > > Here's an idea. Why not take the political discussions to *private email*, > where they belong, instead of posting them here where they're bound to > start flame wars? > > I've seen several longtime list members responding to the latest > "terrorist, WTC, etc." threads. You should know better by now :) > > Think before you hit the Send button, folks. > > cheers, > Phil > > ============================================== > Phil Carter -- phil (at) usefulware (dot) com -- 770-424-2525 ext. 207 > Visit http://www.usefulware.com/ for ConnectionMagic for ISPs > "I should never have written all those tank programs." > -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron"
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:04:44 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20011009170444.B26347@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
I wonder how the Islamic extremists would react if we blasted The Killing Hand at them 24 hours a day at about 130 decibels... I bet they would pray for forgiveness...
bwhahahha
-The Doc
Signal received 0. Chris Izzy <slugg3r@hotmail.com> said: > I thought this was a mailing list for Dream Theater Maniacs, YTSE JAMMERS > and Die-Hard fans...I have nothing against the States or any other Nation > but I hate reading Patriotic speeches etc. etc. etc. when I expect to > recieve Music Related Subjects...Think about the only thing that is > regrouping us in here -->music<-- which is, I think, far from politics or > any related subjects. > Thanx. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 23:03:36 -0400 From: Cyberwolf <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: (L) So much for avoiding discussions involving: Message-ID: <3BC3BA85.7F528F86@mindspring.com>
Middle eastern ideology, theology, racial geography, biological weaponology, personal identity, military historyology, philosophy, politics, sociology, opthomology, neurology, bio-centrology, enthocentristology, conclusivology, mass propaganology, hysterical rantology, disrespctful bigotology, consequential radical harmony, and massive doses of any other 'ology'.
Just thought I would bequeath that observation from a temporary lurker right now.
Personally, I have no problems with ANY discussions here, I just find the rationale for throwing previous threads concerning sticking to DT and/or musical related topics out the window particularly humorous, especially considering the non-humorours subject of the recent tragedy the catalyst for MANY conversations, and understandably so.
Anyhow, to break some momentum here, check out some of my song samples from my new CD I am (was?) trying to promote over the course of the last few months.
Drop me a line, and as a fellow NY'er, peace to everyone everywhere.
We go on.
Scott Mosher (Musician/graphic artist/activist/neurosurgeon/allroundniceguy.) the VIRTUALITY CD: Ambient neo-progressive cyber rock. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mosher http://www.theambientmind.com
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Song samples (AmbientTranceProgRock) --->> http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/virtuality.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/humanmachine.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/redefine.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/dreamingeye.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/sometimemidnight.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/promisetruth.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/infinityburns.mp3 http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/sounds/worldofdarkness.mp3
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 101 06:43:07 GMT From: "Emre Topuzoglu" <Emret@ispro.net.tr> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: new g3 video online,John Petrucci - Damage Control Message-ID: <200110100643.f9A6h7O57703@finland.ispro.net.tr>
New G3 video,John Petrucci - Damage Control as well as previous ones are available to download at
http://bootlegmania.shine1.com
also make sure to check Opeth videos ! :)
Let me know what you think,
Emre,
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:01:01 -0400 From: "Rob Pociluk" <robpociluk@dreamtheater.zzn.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Making a comment Message-ID: <525DB89DE63552D4DA29CB7B2A1FA906@robpociluk.dreamtheater.zzn.com>
Forgive me for having my own opinion. I should know better after being on this list for 7 years that I'll get flamed for it as most folks do. I will refrain from throwing my left wing attitude out there. Thanks to those who have responded with support and understood.
Back to music discussion...
RP
---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Chris Elder <twilightzone@mindspring.com> Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:50:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Before you make a comment...
Know what you are talking about...
> When was the last time Americans > supported a country when it wasn't in OUR interests?
Not to start anything here, but since there is a lack of music related posts, what the hell. I feel the need to defend my country.
RP Read this, it might clear up your confused mind, along with anyone that is confused about our/ MY great country, ahem... Maarten:
TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES This, from a Canadian Newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the AMericans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC-10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the international lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them and old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come oout of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!"
and... >Terrible stuff like this, and worse, is happening every day and has been >happening for decades if not centuries all over the world.
So it is common for other countries to lose billion dollar monuments, and hundreds of billions more in the economy, lost companies and the like. Not to mention 6,000 innocent people murdered. Not likely. You are comparing grapes to watermelons.
This message reminds me of some video footage of Afghanis celebrating the day of the attacks, passing out M&Ms to the kids, meanwhile there is a Pepsi machine clear as day in the background. Now who are the hypocrites?
- chris
Every dominating sports team knows: when you're on top, everybody wants a piece of you.
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:08:58 -0700 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ahhh... Message-ID: <20011010100858.A67446@hydra2.gmsnet.com>
Just listening to the killing hand for a moment... what memories...
They should play it again on the upcoming tour ;)
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:31:26 -0400 From: "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ahhh... Message-ID: <001501c151b1$64790ac0$0300005a@kezp3800>
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@hydra2.gmsnet.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Ahhh...
> Just listening to the killing hand for a moment... what memories... > > They should play it again on the upcoming tour ;) > > -The Doc >
Which version, Mosh? I love the one on the Jap Hollow years, with the extended solo.......
Love the DT content, btw.
Kez
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:53:21 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Ahhh... Message-ID: <000701c151b4$7345c540$39351ec8@atenas>
> > > Just listening to the killing hand for a moment... what memories... > > > > They should play it again on the upcoming tour ;) > > > > -The Doc > > > > > Which version, Mosh? I love the one on the Jap Hollow years, with the > extended solo....... > > Love the DT content, btw. >
One of my favorite DT songs by far. My favorite version was the one done for the sneak peak @ the FII songs tour...
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:15:20 -0500 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Ahhh... Message-ID: <74ACE5A6CB89D3119E6F00609720274A06BA2590@ISDCRE00>
I'm still a big fan of "Afterlife". Great solos.
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Carlos A. Alfaro [SMTP:calfaro@yunque.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Ahhh... > > > > > > > Just listening to the killing hand for a moment... what memories... > > > > > > They should play it again on the upcoming tour ;) > > > > > > -The Doc > > > > > > > > > Which version, Mosh? I love the one on the Jap Hollow years, with the > > extended solo....... > > > > Love the DT content, btw. > > > > One of my favorite DT songs by far. My favorite version was the one done > for > the > sneak peak @ the FII songs tour...
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