YTSEJAM Digest 6182
Today's Topics:
1) RUSH
by "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
2) Off-topic a second (a nano-minute)
by "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
3) Re: Neil's comments on Working Man tribute
by Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
4) DT,Rush and other delights
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
5) Re: DT,Rush and other delights
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
6) Re: DT,Rush and other delights
by Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
7) Re: Old Timers
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
8) Re: OldTimers reuninte...
by Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
9) "Best of" CD - what if?
by Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com>
10) RE: "Best of" CD - what if?
by "the smr" <the-smr@the-smr.com>
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:14:02 -0400
From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RUSH
Message-ID: <3CC74A13.4A9FA46E@mindspring.com>
Did someone say COUNTERPARTS? That is their strongest CD in years, since, ah... PRESTO! And much better than TFEcho, IMHO. TEST FOR ECHO was monotonous (for Rush, atleast,
who I expected greater things). I don't know much more about the new CD other than the few songs I've heard (and I'm AVOIDING the download the entire CD urge, not to
mention the lacking capabilities of my trusty old 56k'er) and all the various postings on all the Rush newsgroups and forums I'm privy to, but one would think it's the
second coming. Oh wait, it is... of Rush. But, while I am impressed, the new stuff sounds GOOD, but NOT GREAT mind you. Better than TFE, but I personally MISS the ambience
and atmosphere of SIGNALS and GRACE UNDER PRESSURE, the dramatics and majesty of POWER WINDOWS and HOLD YOUR FIRE. That said, UNLIKE TFE, I will picking up VAPOR TRAILS the
day it comes out...
As if one can't tell I miss synths listening to my shit... damn them frogs (and indicator species).
- Your Friendly Neighborhood Allroundniceguy
Scott Mosher - The VIRTUALITY CD
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:32:29 -0400
From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
Subject: Off-topic a second (a nano-minute)
Message-ID: <3CC75C63.29FBEF83@mindspring.com>
Game off:
I posted a full-song from my CD, "VIRTUALITY" (Bulgarian radio edit) for
your listening enjoyment. Not responsible for mass canine hysteria and
extended family member breakdancing, though...
Song: "Virtuality": http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality.mp3
- Your Friendly Neighborhood Allroundniceguy
Scott Mosher - The VIRTUALITY CD
http://www.theambientmind.com/virtuality/
Ok, Game on!
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:49:51 -0700
From: Scott Hansen <schansen@cts.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Neil's comments on Working Man tribute
Message-ID: <B8ECBCB5.3ACD%schansen@cts.com>
In a mind-blowing e-mail sent on the extremely historic date of 4/24/02 2:57
PM, Paul W. Cashman thusly spaketh:
> Indeed, Neil labeled the bands involved as "garage bands," if I remember
> my almost-ancient history correctly. I thought that was a bit unfair
> to names like DT, Fates Warning and, say, Steve Morse...
For the record, I dunno if you ever saw the interview that stirred this all
up, but when you read Neil's comments in context - especially when he ended
his bar/garage band statement with a question mark, it appears he truly did
*not* know who was involved with the tribute. Chances are some bozo made the
bar/garage band comment and Neil took it for face value. Considering that
Mr. Big toured with Rush (and that Alex and he jammed with Billy Sheehan
during a soundcheck when Geddy ran late), I highly doubt he would have made
such a comment. Also, didn't the Steve Morse Band open at least a few dates
for Rush in the mid-eighties? Same would hold true there. :-)
Scott
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:00:54 -0500
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT,Rush and other delights
Message-ID: <001501c1ec05$6d07bda0$732227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
The first time I heard Rush was in my mom's car while skipping church.
They played Limelight and I was hooked. After Power Windows everything
became watered down, for me. Counterparts was at least a return from
pop hell.
As far as Rush having DT open for them . . . forget about it. Folks, it
is called ego. Everyone has one and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Yes, DT would benefit from such large exposure in America but would
Rush benefit from being upstaged? That I think is the heart of the
matter.
This really is old news . . . Peart's comments about the people on the
tribute album were uncalled for. Though his comments about tribute
albums are not. If someone really wants to do a tribute album then the
money made should go to the band being honored. Working Man money went
to Magna Carta records. So Pearts comments about people making money
off the Rush name are on the mark. On the other hand, calling the
artists who did it out of love "garage bands" is an ignorant comment at
best.
With the cool drum intro to One Little Victory I thought all of my fears
were going to be dashed. Then came the rest of the song......I am
crossing all of my fingers and toes. Lets all hope the rest of the
album is better.
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:31:04 -0400
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT,Rush and other delights
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020425011844.01902db8@cs.millersville.edu>
>Working Man money went to Magna Carta records.
Well, technically, some of it did go to Rush thanks to the playing of
copywritten material. No idea how much this amounts to, though I'd suspect
it's not a lot.
I agree with Hansen's theory on the "bar band" comment. Many of the
musicians on the tribute are from Magna Carta's own stable, but, at the
same time, a lot aren't, and you've got to believe Peart would've heard of
some of 'em.
Brian
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:33:13 -0400
From: Damon Fibraio <dfibraio@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT,Rush and other delights
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020425122558.00a5e810@mail.comcast.net>
>As far as Rush having DT open for them . . . forget about it. Folks, it
>is called ego. Everyone has one and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Let's also remember this. Rush seems to be past the opening act stage.
They, like Dream Theater are doing, are taking the whole night for
themselves, which allows for longer sets. And that is fine with me.
> Yes, DT would benefit from such large exposure in America but would
>Rush benefit from being upstaged? That I think is the heart of the
>matter.
>Upstaged? Wel, that all depends on how you look at it. Yes, maybe the
>individual members of DT are chopswise, better than Rush, although some
>could argue that Portnoy and Peart have totally different styles. Jordan
>will piss all over GEddy's playing keys, though. And while JM might be
>better than Geddy on bass, and James better than Geddy as a vocalist, the
>guitar battle may not be as clear. AGain, totally different styles. Alex
>does not do the lightning fast solos like JP does, but I bet, somehow,
>that he can if he wanted to. Listen to the guitar solo in free Will, for
>example. That can't be easy to play.
>With the cool drum intro to One Little Victory I thought all of my fears
>were going to be dashed. Then came the rest of the song......I am
>crossing all of my fingers and toes. Lets all hope the rest of the
>album is better.
>Well, I don't know. I liked Counterparts, and TFE, but at the same time,
>being a keyboardist, I felt like Rush lost something as they used less and
>less of the keyboards. Then again, when Geddy changed his keyboard setup
>to all digital synths in the mid 80s and stopped using his minimoog and
>doing real keyboard solos, I felt the same way. I hate the version of
>SubDivisions on A show of hands, the keyboard sounds are horrid. Only on
>the TFE tour, did I hear SubDivisions done right with real synthesizer
>sounds as opposed to the crappy ones he had used for years. But, I am
>picky, I guess. I was not the big fan of the early Rush stuff for the same
>reason, to me, Rush sounded so awesome with keyboards. Without them, I
>feel like they've lost something. My favorite songs, like Xanadu, The
>camera Eye, SubDivisions, Tom Sawyer, and many more, all have great
>keyboard parts, even if they are not Jordan Rudess style complex, they are
>still quite cool. But, I think Rush is trying to stay with the times and
>they have ditched their keys for more guitars, which would make Alex
>happy, but even the new stuff just sounds stripped down. I like One Little
>Victory for the riffs and Geddy's vocals, but Neil has definitely
>mellowed, except for the intro to that song, and there is not a lot of odd
>time sig stuff or anything that used to make you sit up and say, "Holy
>shit", like the older stuff did. I guess we can compare this to genesis
>going pop in the 80s or Yes going pop in the 80s, Rush went alternative in
>the 90s and we're probably going to be stuck with that. I still like it,
>but I miss the older, more complex stuff.
>Thorin
>
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-- Damon Fibraio, email dfibraio@comcast.net aol instant messenger screenname: dfibraio MSN Messenger screenname: dfibraio@comcast.net Yahoo messenger name: Damon_m_f Band sites: Visions: http://www.visions692000.com: Mystify: http://www.mystify2001.com To purchase the No Holds Barred Radio box set, see http://www.nhbradio.com "All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars, All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars Turn around and walk the razor's edge, Don't turn your back and slam the door on me."--Neil Peart of Rush, from the song, The Pass------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:27:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Old Timers Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10204251325290.4426-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
Wow....Babs....blast from the past......
Yeah, this thread was three weeks ago, but I just got around to about 1300 messages that were in this mailbox.....ugh....
Anyway, I've beeen around pretty much since the beginning, about halfway between I&W and Awake....don't even know what year that would be....
Way too long, and way too many memories..... :P
-Al
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Barbara Battaglia wrote:
> Hello everyone, it's BABS (thought I'd pull that old line out). I think I > joined December of '94 if I remember correctly (my memory is fading from > old age - ha ha). > > Glad to see a lot of us originals are still hanging out here :) > > >
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: OldTimers reuninte... Message-ID: <Pine.HPX.4.10.10204251333230.4426-100000@njmsa.umdnj.edu>
Geez..........you'd figure I'd be remembered more for the Fantasia Diner recommendation before one of the Home for the Holidays shows back in the day....what a mess that turned out to be....heheheh....ytsejammers getti'n kicked out of a diner...how funny is that.......
-Al
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Paul Evans wrote:
> And who was the poor bastard that was always complaining about not getting > his tape from (I think) Al Balkewicz (sorry about the spelling, Al) > > Paul >
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Peterson <razortag@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: <20020425213335.73223.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey guys...
Dream Theater is at a point in their careers where it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for them to release an Anthology.
I mean, Fates Warning did it. Pain of Salvation has released a "Best of" series as well, beginning with their first album and ending with their last. ;)
But my question is...
If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include their big hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE dilemma? Obviously it helped them gain popularity, but really isn't close to what they're capable of and they supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, to please the general public or please the true fans?
What do you think?
- Dr. Teeth (List member for 9 years)
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:55:08 -0500 From: "the smr" <the-smr@the-smr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: "Best of" CD - what if? Message-ID: <000301c1eca3$efb2ee70$3c82650a@alrc.com>
I don't think, at this point, that the general public is ever going to "get" Dream Theater. They have carved out a nice successful niche for themselves, with a large enough base of dedicated fans, to where I think they are comfortable. And certainly their music has gotten better since their label stopped pushing them to go mainstream.
Even given this, tho', I would definitely include "Pull Me Under". For one, they are playing it live again, so obviously they've made peace with it. For two, it _is_ the song through which a large percentage of their fans probably first heard of them. I'm sure Spock's Beard or Fate's Warning would've killed for such a hit to propel them just enough to where they could go on to do exactly what they want to do like Dream Theater does now.
And heck, I still like the song. I don't understand the big antipathy towards it.
smr
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Peterson > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:39 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: "Best of" CD - what if? > > > Hey guys... > > Dream Theater is at a point in their careers where it > wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for them to > release an Anthology. > > I mean, Fates Warning did it. Pain of Salvation has released > a "Best of" series as well, beginning with their first album > and ending with their last. ;) > > But my question is... > > If Dream Theater released a "Best of" CD, should they include > their big hit, "Pull Me Under"??? Isn't that a HORRIBLE > dilemma? Obviously it helped them gain popularity, but > really isn't close to what they're capable of and they > supposedly don't play it in concert anymore. Oh, to please > the general public or please the true fans? > > What do you think? > > - Dr. Teeth (List member for 9 years) > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ >
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