YTSEJAM digest 6399

From: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Date: Tue Dec 10 2002 - 21:07:17 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 6399

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Old CDNow Users
     by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
      2) Re: Royalties
     by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)

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    Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:21:08 -0500
    From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Old CDNow Users
    Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021210005921.018ef9c0@cs.millersville.edu>

    >I'm sure some or most of you've have heard that Amazon.com bought CDNow and
    >have fucked things royally up!

    CDNow's been on the slow boat to hell for some time. The true end began
    when Bertelsmann AG, a German media conglomorate, bought them in 2000. BAG
    over the next couple years fired ALL the employees (including a couple
    friends of mine -- they sacked several hundred in 2001, and the skeleton
    crew of remainders just recently), drove up prices even more, and finally
    decided to turn distribution over to Amazon. AFAIK, Amazon has not
    purchased CDNow...but, for all intents and purposes, CDNow's just an
    exclusive Amazon 'brand name' now, so they might as well have done so.

    As suggested by previous Jammers, definitely go the indie route for most of
    the more obscure music out there: The End, Laser's Edge, etc. For major
    release CDs, I've noticed Buy.com's CD prices generally beat CDNow/Amazon's
    by a fair margin, plus you can often get free shipping without any sort of
    overall spending requirement (albeit the most agonizingly slow shipping
    ever -- felt like they sent my copy of the latest Opeth CD via stagecoach
    it took so long). Amazon's "buy used/new" capability is also very nice for
    slightly older albums. You can generally find almost anything you want for
    under $10, and, even though you're going through private individuals, it's
    guaranteed by the big boys. Haven't had any problems yet.

    Brian

    [NP...The Flower Kings -- Unfold The Future (courtesy of The End distro and
    today's mail)]

    =============================================
    WB Henderson [wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu]
    (or, if you prefer / that fails...LycanthropicEye@yahoo.com)
    =============================================

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    Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:45:48 -0500 (EST)
    From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
    To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    Subject: Re: Royalties
    Message-ID: <m18LqKC-003HCqC@mail.interzone.com>

    Also wik ytsejam@torchsong.com:
    >
    > YTSEJAM Digest 6395
    >
    >Today's Topics:
    >
    > 1) Opeth playlist
    > by Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
    > 2) RE: Royalties
    > by "Costello, Daniel J" <daniel.j.costello@lmco.com>
    > 3) Re: Royalties
    > by "Tom White" <tmwhi@hotmail.com>
    > 4) Re: Royalties
    > by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
    >
    >----------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:27:46 +0000
    >From: Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
    >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    >Subject: Opeth playlist
    >Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021206012456.03130040@mail-server-1.macs.hw.ac.uk>
    >
    >Well, Opeth played London yesterday, and what a gig it was! Them boys just
    >keeps on trucking!
    >
    >Anyway, here's the playlist:
    >
    >Godhead's Lament
    >The Drapery Falls
    >Deliverance
    >Credence
    >Advent
    >Bleak
    >A Fair Jugdement
    >---
    >Demon of the Fall
    >
    >
    >Cheers,
    >Oddvar
    >
    >
    >------------------------------
    >
    >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:23:18 -0500
    >From: "Costello, Daniel J" <daniel.j.costello@lmco.com>
    >To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
    >Subject: RE: Royalties
    >Message-ID: <9EFD49E2FB59D411AABA0008C7E675C00DE16A16@emss04m10.ems.lmco.com>
    >
    >I hope that in the very near future, we see these greedy bastards sue
    >themselves out of existence. I hope that they get so greedy and put such a
    >stranglehold on things, that nobody will be willing to pay them a dime.
    >
    >That's what I want for christmas. :-)
    >
    >-Dan.
    >
    >------------------------------
    >
    >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:16:23 +0000
    >From: "Tom White" <tmwhi@hotmail.com>
    >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    >Subject: Re: Royalties
    >Message-ID: <F182EN14cZpb0mG7Y7A0001efc8@hotmail.com>
    >
    >
    ><That ruling is not only stupid on general principle, but it's got to be
    ><next to unenforceable. I doubt the Finnish police will want to waste
    ><time going on undercover cab rides to ensure taxi drivers are paying their
    ><royalties.
    >
    >No, but the Finnish collecting society will fine any cab drivers playing
    >music without a licence, the Police wouldn't be involved. I can't speak for
    >America but here in Great Britain any shops, restaurants, hairdressers, etc
    >wanting to publically broadcast music (i.e. put on the radio) will need a
    >licence from PRS (Performing Right Society) to do so and the money collected
    >from this licence is distributed to the bands/ artists in its membership
    >base. PRS don't ask which specific songs are being played, so those
    >particular bands/ artists won't end up getting the royalties in the first
    >place, making the whole thing a waste of everyone's time.
    >
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    >
    >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:49:57 -0500
    >From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
    >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
    >Subject: Re: Royalties
    >Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20021206193514.018b3320@cs.millersville.edu>
    >
    >
    >>No, but the Finnish collecting society will fine any cab drivers playing
    >>music without a licence, the Police wouldn't be involved.
    >
    >Even then, you're still talking about random checks requiring considerable
    >effort for little gain. It'll be even more difficult considering, as
    >opposed to most clubs and restaurants, taxis are rarely in the same place
    >for long. I don't know if Finns regularly ignore the more worthless laws
    >as is customary in the US (ex. speed limits), but I suspect this law is of
    >that 'easily forgettable' variety. Like speeding, if it costs a driver a
    >fine here or there, they'll probably continue to do it because the benefits
    >(entertainment during a long, boring shift in this case), outweigh the
    >penalties.
    >
    >>America but here in Great Britain any shops, restaurants, hairdressers, etc
    >>wanting to publically broadcast music (i.e. put on the radio) will need a
    >>licence from PRS (Performing Right Society) to do so and the money collected
    >>from this licence is distributed to the bands/ artists in its membership
    >>base.
    >
    >As far as I know, there's no such thing in this country. (If there is, few
    >pay it any mind, let alone money.)
    >
            True, but the radio stations in the US pay a fee for playing the
    songs on the air. I don't know if that happens in GB or Finland.
            However, if I was an advertiser I'd be rather annoyed about this
    ruling (I'm assuming that radio in Finland has advertisements). After all
    my advertisement may now reach fewer people since the cab drivers may turn
    off the radio.

                                    Steve

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