YTSEJAM Digest 6257
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Metal Opera pt. II
by "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
2) Avantasia ... was: Rumor Mill
by "Dan Senko" <dwsenko@us.ibm.com>
3) Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
4) Best of 2002 so far
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
5) CD2/Best of so far
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
6) Re: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever
by "Jay Omega" <jomega@integraonline.com>
7) Rhapsody and Blind Guardian
by "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
8) Re: Shaman
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
9) DT tour setlist
by "Christopher Benavides" <chrisb65@hotmail.com>
10) RE: Why the new Satch is different
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
11) Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
by Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
12) Divesting myself of ROCK DISCPLINE (Petrucci)
by "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:13:06 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <phil@usefulware.com>
To: Scenes From a Ytse <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Metal Opera pt. II
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715120958.009ffc90@pop.usefulware.com>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids...
Billy remarked:
> Also I have played the absolute hell out of Avantasia The Metal
>Opera since ordering it last summer, according to the liner notes part 2
>should have been out already but I haven't seen or heard anything.
>Anybody know what's up ? Am I just not looking in the right place ?
This from Toby's official site, http://www.tobiassammet.com/ :
"Avantasia Part II available worldwide on August 26th, 2002!"
I am quite looking forward to this (and, of course, seeing the Edguys at
ProgPower 3.0 this November).
cheers,
Phil
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:00:44 -0400
From: "Dan Senko" <dwsenko@us.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Avantasia ... was: Rumor Mill
Message-ID: <OFFBE811FD.0736A81C-ON85256BF7.005D4111@boulder.ibm.com>
>> Yeah, I read on the Metal Update not too long ago that The Metal Opera
part
>>2 is completed and will be released soon. Hang in there!! I've also
played
>> the heck out of that CD. It's greatness.
>> JM
Ok, I'll bite - I don't know jack about Avantasia.
Any one want to give some comparisons of their style and others in that
genre to tempt me further?
DF Mo
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:19:16 -0700
From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever
Message-ID: <003f01c22c23$bf99cb40$7244e40c@attbi.com>
Anyone heard of Araran or Fatima Hill? How do they compare?
Some Nightwish-esque bands I think are good(Charisma, Ambeon,
Edenbridge) other not as good(Rain Fell Within). Any other suggestions20
Trevor
ps oh yeah I got bored of The Gathering after about 3 of their female
fronted discs........
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Best of 2002 so far
Message-ID: <20020715212627.88316.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com>
Alright, here are my favorite releases for 2002 so
far, in random order except for the first two, which I
think are tied for the best of 2002 slot so far:
1. POS - Remedy Lane
I think this is probably their best cd so far.
1. DT - 6DOIT
Awesome album. Love both cds.
3. Rhapsody - Power of the Dragon Flame
This is one heck of an album. Some might find
Rhapsody to be repetitive (sort of the same way some
think Symphony X sounds pretty much the same
throughout every album), but I believe this release is
a masterpiece and that these guys are great
songwriters, even if their style doesn't change much
with time. There's enough hooks in this album to
catch a whole school of fish. They are IMO the best
power metal band right now, probably tied with the
following band in my list.
4. Blind Guardian - A Night at the Opera
Incredible power metal. Probably the power metal band
with the most distinct style of them all. Their
latest release is another masterpiece.
5. All That I Bleed - Dying to Remember
One of the best new prog metal bands out there. These
guys have great musicianship, great songwriting and
great melodies.
6. Planet X - Live from OZ
I know there's not much new music here because it's a
live album, but this cd is still amazing and needs to
be in the best of 2002. Excellent sound, amazing
performance, and with one of my favorite bass players
filling in the bass duties (Dave LaRue). Kickass.
Honorable mentions so far:
- Superior - Ultima Ratio
Very good cd, but for some reason hasn't really
floored me as I expected it to. It's still great, but
I think that what's missing is that it's a bit more
predictable than their previous 2 efforts.
- Steve Morse Band - Split Decision
Excellent cd by the guitar master, with amazing
performances by Dave LaRue and Van Romaine.
- Shaman - Ritual
Great cd. Sounds a lot like Angra, but I think pales
in comparison when comparing it to Holy Land (what can
you expect when comparing it to such an amazing
album?). Still a very solid release with excellent
vocals and musicianship, although I think that the new
guitarist isn't as good as Bittencourt and Louriero.
Guest performances by Derek Sherinian (solo on Over
Your Head, the best song on the album) and Tobias
Sammet (sings backing vocals on I don't know which
tracks, and shares lead vocals on Pride).
- Angra - Hunters and Prey
Excellent ep by the the other part of the puzzle. For
some reason Angra sounds to me more spontaneous,
original and catchy than Shaman. The title track of
this ep is among the best songs Angra has written
(there's also a portuguese version included in the
ep). Whereas Shaman sounds to me like they couldn't
find a replacement that could be as good as the 2
guitarists they lost (Hugo Mariutti is still very
good, don't get me wrong), Angra found 3 replacements
that are at least as good as the members they lost.
- Rush - Vapor Trails
Very good release by the legends. This album seems to
be less proggy than TFE, but it has a catchiness and
awesome songwriting that makes up for it. Upon first
listen I was a bit disappointed, but, after repeated
listenings, I was hooked. It seems to get a bit more
complicated after repeated listenings, since the
intricacies are more subtle than before, but they're
still there.
Alright, that was long enough. The first half of the
year has been very good IMO, so let's hope the second
half keeps it up.
Alexis
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:03:56 -0500
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CD2/Best of so far
Message-ID: <000b01c22c53$e9959fc0$7d2227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
How can anyone like FII over the second disc of SDOIT?!?! The only
thing I don't like about the second disc is that they ruin a perfectly
good song, "Solitary Shell" with mindless wanking at the end. The radio
edit is actually better. John Myung didn't get anything on this album.
That sucks. What I found surprising is that James actually wrote some
good stuff.
As far as the best discs to come out this year, in no real order:
Dream Theater- Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Blind Guardian-A Night at the Opera
Winds-Reflections of the I
Rush-Vapor Trails
Arcturus-The Sham of Mirrors
Candiria-The Coma Imprint
Soilwork-Natural Born Chaos (and yes, it does kick ass and is anything
but commercial!)
Ozzy-Live at the Budokan
Susperia-Vindication
Rhapsody-Power of the Dragonflame
Indestroy-(New Renaissance Records Re-issue)
Thorin
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:42:00 -0500
From: "Jay Omega" <jomega@integraonline.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Fans of Nightwish/Femalegothprogmetalrockwhatever
Message-ID: <002501c22c6a$015b9590$92337a40@Poland>
TREVOR HOIT asked:
> Anyone heard of Araran or Fatima Hill? How do they compare?
> Some Nightwish-esque bands I think are good(Charisma, Ambeon,
> Edenbridge) other not as good(Rain Fell Within). Any other suggestions?
>
> ps oh yeah I got bored of The Gathering after about 3 of their female
> fronted discs...
Female-fronted metal bands... the kryptonite of my CD collection. I'm
powerless in their presence. :-) To put some of my comments in
perspective, I agree with what you say above, except I love all of The
Gathering's stuff.
I haven't heard any Fatima Hill. If you meant "Amaran" for "Araran",
then I can heartily recommend "A World Depraved." (Don't know if
they've got any others or not.) They're more melodic/song-oriented
than most of the female-gothish-metal crowd, so if you like Ambeon and
Edenbridge, I'd say you'd dig them. Amaran's heavier than those two;
like a faster version of The Gathering's Mandylion, or a less-Alice-in-
Chainsy version of Drain STH (ok, maybe not quite that heavy. But
heavy.)
On to the "other suggestions"...
By "bored of The Gathering after 3 discs"... do you mean you had just
heard enough and wanted some variety, or that you didn't like their more
recent (less metal, more post-rock/psychy) output? If the basic sound
of HTMaP and ITE didn't bother you (or you like similar bands, like
Persephone's Dream), then you mustmustmust buy "Yaishi" by the band
"Moonlight". I've listened to it at least once a day since I bought it over
a month ago. Their sound is all over the place; centered on the standard
goth-metal sound, but mixed with a little Persephone's Dream, a little
"Choirgirl Hotel" period Tori, and even a little Sigur Ros. Wonderful
stuff,
and one of the better singers in the genre. My favorite purchase so far
this year (to tie this into that other thread, kind of... it's actually 2001
(c).)
Since you like the more over-the-top presentation of Nightwish & Edenbridge,
I'd say you'd really need to check out "Mother Earth" by Within Temptation.
I have yelled myself hoarse singing along to this on more than one occasion.
Their singer, Sharon den Adel, was on Ayreon's ItEC as "the Indian".
"Mother
Earth" is all Sharon; their earlier albums are in the so-called
"beauty-and-the-
beast" style of soprano female & death-metal-growling male.
Very similar in flavor to Within Tempation is another Dutch band called
After
Forever. (AF's closer to Edenbridge, WT's closer to Nightwish). Again,
B&B style, with one female soprano (Floor Jansen, another Ayreon alumnus)
and two males (credited with "grunts" and "screams" in the liner notes).
They've
got a more operatic/symphonic/progressive approach than most in the genre.
Both albums are good, but I give a slight edge to the more-recent
"Decipher".
Though Sharon from WT guests on one track on "Prison of Desire," and a
Sharon/Floor duet is a good thing.
Other must-haves in the genre, in approximate order of awesomeness:
* The Third and The Mortal - get any of their Kari Rueslatten-led stuff, but
especially "Tears laid in Earth". Not really similar to anything mentioned
above.
Lineup is guitar-guitar-guitar-bass-drums-vox; no keys. Norwegian band.
Maybe skip this if you don't like Mandylion; it's kinda trancey/slow metal
in the
same fashion.
* Lacuna Coil - start with "Unleashed Memories". Get the "special edition"
that
includes their earlier EP, "Halflife." Maybe skip this one if you don't
like
Mandylion/Nighttime Birds-type The Gathering. Italian band; one track on
Unleashed Memories/Halflife is in the native tongue.
* Tristania - start with "World of Glass" or "Beyond the Veil". B&B, but
the
male doesn't annoy me as much as most growlers do. Norwegian band;
heavier stuff again. Lots of string-sound synth work.
* Artrosis - start with "In the Flowers' Shade". Polish band; the singer's
got
a bit of an accent. Catchy as hell, though.
* On Thorns I Lay - start with "Crystal Tears". Probably the closest to
actual "goth" of the stuff listed; less metal than even Ambeon. Includes
some
pretty slick viola playing. Greek band.
* Nightsky Bequest - "Keep the Lonely Trees". Musicianship's quite a bit
better than the rest of the pack; more "prog." Bulgarian band.
* Delight - start with "The Fading Tale". Another Polish band; no silly
accent.
A bit heavier again; lots of keyboard work. Pretty close to the "average"
sound for the genre. Includes a so-serious-it's-funny goth-metal cover of
George Michael's "Careless Whisper".
* Chalice - try "An Illusion to the Temporary Real". Two females; one
sings,
the other plays flute. Australian band.
* Theater of Tragedy - try "Aegis". Norwegian B&B-style stuff.
Hm. No USA'ans. We must suck at this sort of music. Oh well; at least
we can import it.
Other probably-avoidable stuff in the genre:
* Sinphonia - Dream Theater clone (?!) with an average female singer.
* Dominion - too much Beast, not enough Beauty.
* Dreams of Sanity - "Komodia" isn't bad, but isn't good. The following
albums go downhill really fast.
* The Sins of Thy Beloved - released on "Napalm Records". B&B
with a pretty obnoxious male singer. OK if you like death/doom stuff,
I suppose.
* Morgana's Kiss - I'm going to sell this disc. Singer sucks eggs through
a cocktail straw.
Other female-fronted bands who aren't "goth metal", but who are worth
the effort:
* Renaissance - Annie Haslam. 'nuff said. Oh, that's not 'nuff? Sorry.
Romantic-era-classical-influenced prog from the 70's. Great piano work,
bass guitar playing lead (or, at least as much lead as the piano lets him
have),
acoustic guitar playing rhythm, drums, 80-piece orchestra on all the "good"
albums, and Annie Haslam, the best vocalist ever. Beautiful folky voice,
and
a legitimate 5-octave range. One of the few bands for whom a "greatest
hits" collection actually contains really good stuff; I'd start with the two
"Tales of 1001 Nights" discs.
* Nexus - get "Detras del Umbral". Argentinian band; all vox in Spanish.
Unabashed "Yes" clone with a great female singer. When she Rrrrolls her
Rrrr's, I melt.
* White Willow - Norse folk-prog band. Quirky and good. Try "Ex
Tenebris" or "Sacrament." Sacrament is one of the discs I use for showing
off the stereo equipment; immaculate production.
* Therion - not specifically female-fronted. Take one straight-ahead
metal band, remove singer, add 4-male/6-female choir and a chamber
string section. Mentioned here because the song "Clavicula Nox" on
the album "Vovin" is one of the better female-voiced metal tunes out
there. Other stuff on the album is also excellent.
And that's enough of my babblings for one night.
--Jay "is buying another handfull of this sort of stuff himself, cuz he just
--got a promotion at work" Omega
--NP: Delight - The Fading Tale
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:39:26 -0400
From: "Rick Rosinski" <rick@rosinski.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Rhapsody and Blind Guardian
Message-ID: <04a701c22c72$0084eb00$6401a8c0@amd1>
> Blind Guardian-A Night at the Opera
> Rhapsody-Power of the Dragonflame
I've been hearing a lot about both of these CD's and both of these bands
lately.
Who do they sound like? Symphony X? DT? A combination of some sort?
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:32:04 -0400
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Shaman
Message-ID: <F1050nG8225IOFe2lPF000159d1@hotmail.com>
Bill and all-- Shaman is like Holy Land-era Angra. I loved the new Angra
CD and EP and Shaman gives us 2 versions of Angra basically. Matos sounds
great!
Rob
>From: Bill Wrightson <Bill.Wrightson@flextronics.com>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Shaman?
>Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hey Rob,
>
>What is that Shaman like? How similar to Angra is is?
>
>Thanks,
>Bill
>
>
> >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:32:27 -0400
> >From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
> >To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> >Subject: Re: best of 02 so far
> >Message-ID: <F140yIc34ePCsw3Gueb00012e08@hotmail.com>
> >
> >My entries (always different from most folks, not in any order):
> >5. Shaman-Ritual
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:06:48 -0500
From: "Christopher Benavides" <chrisb65@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: DT tour setlist
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:31:11 +0200
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Why the new Satch is different
Message-ID: <01cd01c22c81$9ce127c0$3cff9f0a@pc0099>
> > > ... <<multiple cd2 lovers acks>> ...
> > I third... I'm in single-message mode and CD2 rocks nadz..
>
> Add me to the 'in ack mode and loves disc two' group as well!
>
> Jax :)
Count me in too (is every ytse cd2 lover going to ack ??). Ack for CD2 reign
of musical power !
See ye,
A carbon based lifeform descendant from an ape.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:50:47 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mike@ivorygate.com>
To: FatesWarning List <fateswarning@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Matheos/Portnoy/Malone/Moore super-group project named....
Message-ID: <47655347.20020715225047@ivorygate.com>
According to info on www.chromakey.com, the group will be called "OSI"
and the album title will be "Orchestra of Strategic Influence". For
more details see either the Chroma Key site or http://www.fateswarning.info/news.shtml
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Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:49:40 -0400 From: "Scott (Virtuality)" <ninja@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Divesting myself of ROCK DISCPLINE (Petrucci) Message-ID: <3D34246D.8946BDAA@mindspring.com>
I HAD the video for Petrucci's ROCK DISCPLINE instructional video eons ago. Now I don't know what ever transpired and where the VIDEO went, but I still have the booklet (tablature and regular notation). If anyone is interested in it, I have it listed on Ebay here:
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