YTSEJAM Digest 6131
Today's Topics:
1) Washington D.C.
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Prog Music
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
3) Re: Washington D.C.
by Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
4) Problems burning 6DOIT
by "D C" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
5)
by "Kasper, Robert S. (EDP)" <kasperrs@bp.com>
6)
by "Don Stick" <dodgyboiler@hotmail.com>
7) I suppose i ought to be thrilled
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
8) RE:
by "the smr" <the-smr@the-smr.com>
9) Portnoy on TGP, Therion
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
10) RE: Portnoy on TGP, Therion
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
11) Re: Washington D.C.
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
12) Re:
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
13) RE: Washington D.C.
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
14) Another mostly-instrumental supergroup
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
15) RE: Washington D.C.
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
16) RE:
by "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@perfectcode.net>
17) DT San Francisco ticket for sale
by Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com>
18) Copyright stuff...
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
19) Re: Copyright stuff...
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
20) Check 'em out
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
21) RE: Copyright stuff...
by "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org>
22) DT concert in Monterrey, MX
by "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:42:12 -0800 (PST)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Washington D.C.
Message-ID: <20020305104212.52152.qmail@web10706.mail.yahoo.com>
I'm getting conflicting statements on whether D.C. is
sold out or not. Can anyone tell me if it is? And if
it is sold out, does anyone know of 2 tickets that can
be bought? Thanx
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Date: 05 Mar 2002 10:58:47 +0000
From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Prog Music
Message-ID: <86r8mzffh4.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
"Elisa Calimano" <elisa_c@MIT.EDU> writes:
> If you were to describe progressive (rock or metal) to someone who
> has never heard of progressive (like many people out there)? How
> would you do it?
Just like normal rock or metal, but clever.
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland------------------------------
Date: 05 Mar 2002 11:18:24 +0000 From: Graham Borland <graham@picsel.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Washington D.C. Message-ID: <86n0xnfekf.fsf@daffy.picsel.com>
rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> writes:
> I'm getting conflicting statements on whether D.C. is sold out or > not. Can anyone tell me if it is?
Try to buy a ticket. If you succeed, then you know it wasn't sold out. :-P
-- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd graham@picsel.com Glasgow, Scotland
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:25:53 -0500 From: "D C" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Problems burning 6DOIT Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAEFNCAAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
I've been told that in the event an individual purchases a copy-protected cd, the label is obligated to provide them with an unprotected disc should they request one. Does anybody know anything about this?
Also, would a program such as Exact Audio Copy be able to circumvent this protection scheme? From what I understand, this protection scheme plays on the error-detecting mechanisms found mainly in pc-based cd-roms, but not in home audio cd-players, so it's more of a firmware issue.
-Dan.
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:16:44 -0600 From: "Kasper, Robert S. (EDP)" <kasperrs@bp.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Message-ID: <EC8979373E35D3118BE00008C7CFB4400779C4CD@AMNAPX1>
> P.S.- 18 days until I see DT in concert for the first time > (in Boston)!!!! Can't wait! Is anyone else going reading this?
> Not to the Boston show, but to my 6th DT show in Chicago on the 15th.
> smr
I'll be at that 15th show, too. I want to go to the Saturday show with the special set list, but the only tickets I've found are through a broker at three times the face value.
RK
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:19:13 +0000 From: "Don Stick" <dodgyboiler@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: <F60AnjCrTIU0bNYrYDp0001e361@hotmail.com>
Mine burnt just fine. Smoked a bit, and the plastic case smelt a bit funny, but...
OK, I didn't burn my 6DoIT, but let's face it, its a joke compared to Scenes. There's a lot I like on there, and the second CD is mostly great, but does nobody else think they've turned into a parody of themselves? And the drum sound is a pile of stinking turd. Same with the guitars. That bit during the first track where Petrucci is playing the 1st fret and open low B string riff when the rest of the band cuts out! Come on, if no-brainer-nu-metallers (and yes I do like a lot of nu-metal)can make seven string guitars sound heavy, why does John's sound like he's amplifying it through a cardboard box? Probably the same cardboard box Portnoy's using instead of a snare.
I don't hate the album, and I'll submit a full review soon so you can see why, but there's so much on there to be pissed off about. I haven't even scratched the surface talking about the production values, and I'm not gonna bring up the lyrics again...
On the plus side, track 4 is awesome. In fact, tune-wise, there's some absolutely outstanding moments in every track. But DT are capable of much, much more than this. There's too much unimaginative soloing from both John and Jordan, too many 'Portnoy cliches' from Mike (who seems to fall further into a rut with each successive album, including Transatlantic). Even James doesn't have the incredible melodies he did on Scenes. The only member I can't fault is John Myung.
OK cheers, I look forward to your comments. Probably pissed a lot of people off, but hell, they're only my opinions. Believe me, there's a lot I like about this album, its just that I've come to expect a lot more from DT...
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:27:31 -0800 (PST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I suppose i ought to be thrilled Message-ID: <20020305142731.56253.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com>
Dream Theater in Detroit sold out, (at least) two weeks in advance....cool huh?
Of course, my lazy butt found out about it the hard way, trying to buy a ticket yesterday (in my defense, I did go and see my lovely ticketmaster representative back in early February, but that was before the tickets went on sale)....
anyway, if any of you have, or know about an extra ticket for the Detroit, March 19th State Theater show....lemme know about it, willya?
Partha Mukhopadhyay ahtrap@yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:34:05 -0600 From: "the smr" <the-smr@the-smr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Message-ID: <000101c1c463$a311e570$3c82650a@alrc.com>
Yeah, it sold out right quick. And the tickets aren't cheap to begin with, much less three times face ;)
I'd rather see a full set of DT material anyways. I enjoy the covers, but would rather bootleg them than pay to see it live.
smr
> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On > Behalf Of Kasper, Robert S. (EDP) > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 8:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: > > > > P.S.- 18 days until I see DT in concert for the first time > > (in Boston)!!!! Can't wait! Is anyone else going reading this? > > > Not to the Boston show, but to my 6th DT show in Chicago on > the 15th. > > > smr > > I'll be at that 15th show, too. I want to go to the Saturday > show with the special set list, but the only tickets I've > found are through a broker at three times the face value. > > RK >
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:04:25 -0800 (PST) From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Portnoy on TGP, Therion Message-ID: <20020305170425.73962.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey! I've had the chance to listen to TGP played live on two different concerts I've downloaded, and I noticed that Portnoy doesn't play the amazing double bass drum rhythm on the part where James sings "Desperate, crawling on my knees...". Does that mean that that bass drum rhythm on the album is an overdub or that he just doesn't feel like playing it live or it's too difficult and could probably mess it up if he tried it? I guess it's hard to know the real answer without asking Mike directly, but who knows if somebody on this list knows the answer. If nobody knows, could somebody ask Mike if they have the chance?
On to other topics, I recently got the latest Therion album "Secret of the Runes", and I just wanted to comment that this album kicks major ass. I believe this is their best effort so far. There's not as much orchestration as on other albums, but the vocal arrangements are the best so far and the songs are more upbeat and plainly kick more ass. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of classical orchestrations, but they're a little less prominent.
Alexis
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:18:50 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Portnoy on TGP, Therion Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A945F9A@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
Check out www.mikeportnoy.com and there is a section called "Ask Mike".. You just may get your answer.
JM
> -----Original Message----- > From: Alexis Ramos [SMTP:alexis_ramos@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:15 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Portnoy on TGP, Therion > > Hey! I've had the chance to listen to TGP played live > on two different concerts I've downloaded, and I > noticed that Portnoy doesn't play the amazing double > bass drum rhythm on the part where James sings > "Desperate, crawling on my knees...". Does that mean > that that bass drum rhythm on the album is an overdub > or that he just doesn't feel like playing it live or > it's too difficult and could probably mess it up if he > tried it? I guess it's hard to know the real answer > without asking Mike directly, but who knows if > somebody on this list knows the answer. If nobody > knows, could somebody ask Mike if they have the > chance? > >
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Washington D.C. Message-ID: <20020305181755.33558.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com>
--- rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm getting conflicting statements on whether D.C. is > sold out or not. Can anyone tell me if it is? And if > it is sold out, does anyone know of 2 tickets that can > be bought? Thanx
It's not sold out yet, not so far as I know. If I'm wrong, however, I may know someone who has a ticket to sell. Let me know if you can't find any. Check with ticketmaster, if worse comes to worst.
- Ilia. http://www.44lbs.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Message-ID: <20020305182206.34297.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com>
> Come on, if no-brainer-nu-metallers (and yes I do like a lot of nu- > metal) can make seven string guitars sound heavy, why does John's > sound like he's amplifying it through a cardboard box?
Petrucci uses no ambient microphones to achieve a particular sound out of his amp. And no, he does not amplify it through a cardboard box, he uses mesa amps. Along with three fine-tuned close mics up to them. Are you sure you were listening to it carefully enough to tell the difference?
- Ilia.
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:36:29 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Washington D.C. Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPGEABCJAA.hrivera@crp.org>
The 930 Club lists the show as Sold Out. You can't buy tickets through Ticketmaster anymore, either. That pretty much tells me it is sold out...
joe
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:57:10 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Another mostly-instrumental supergroup Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020305135151.018bf8c0@cs.millersville.edu>
"Jing Chi" featuring Vinnie Colaiuta (drums - Zappa/Sting), Robben Ford (guitar - Yellowjackets/Miles Davis), and Jimmy Haslip (bass - Yellowjackets). Very cool album, somewhat laid back, but outstanding musicianship all around. Check 'er out if you're into Bozzio Levin Stevens, et al.
Brian
============================================= WB Henderson [wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu] Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ =============================================
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:03:50 -0500 From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Washington D.C. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020305135824.018b4710@cs.millersville.edu>
>The 930 Club lists the show as Sold Out. You can't buy tickets through >Ticketmaster anymore, either. That pretty much tells me it is sold out...
Why is Dream Theater playing the 9:30 Club anyway? Isn't it a bit small for them? I remember going to see the band at the Nation (the the Capitol Ballroom) a few years ago. Much bigger venue, albeit much crappier.
Brian
============================================= WB Henderson [wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu] Automaton Hit Parade (prog-radio, 10-11.30pm Wed): http://ahp.musicpage.com/ Metalmaton Grit Patrol (metal-radio, 11.30pm-1am Wed): http://www.wixq.com/metal/MGP/ WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com/ WIXQ-METAL: http://www.wixq.com/metal/ =============================================
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:16:11 -0000 From: "T.D. Smith" <tdsmith@perfectcode.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Message-ID: <000301c1c482$97bbbba0$0300a8c0@ELYDIAN>
I agree to a certain extent. It seems to me that they are starting to formulate the material a bit maybe. The songs don't seem to be as original and interesting as they used to be, I mean, there are bits when they shine, but I get less emotion from their modern work. I was not much of a fan of anything after Awake. I never really liked Scenes too much, the story never sank with we, always struck me a bit like school English classes. The music was taking on its kind of formulated sound on that album too. Obviously FII sounded formulated, but that was record company fun.
The albums now don't stick with me like they used to. There are moments on the first three which will be with me forever but nothing really on the later discs.
The vocal melodies don't seem to be what the have been, they seem just boring to me now, when they were interesting and emotional before on the earlier discs.
On the bright side though, Vanden Plas - Beyond Daylight, what a fucking brilliant disc. I got both that and the new DT in the same week, but the new VP overshadowed the new DT for me, I stopped listening to 6DoIT for BD and never really went back.
Anyway, I'm probably an asshole or something, so flame away.
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> -----Original Message----- > From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of > Don Stick > Sent: 05 March 2002 14:18 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: > > Mine burnt just fine. Smoked a bit, and the plastic case smelt a bit > funny, > but... > > OK, I didn't burn my 6DoIT, but let's face it, its a joke compared to > Scenes. There's a lot I like on there, and the second CD is mostly great, > but does nobody else think they've turned into a parody of themselves? And > the drum sound is a pile of stinking turd. Same with the guitars. That bit > during the first track where Petrucci is playing the 1st fret and open low
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:07:52 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet <spine@optical.mindstorm.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT San Francisco ticket for sale Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10203051605080.3116-100000@optical.mindstorm.com>
I have a friend who has an extra general admission ticket to the San Francisco show at the Warfield this Saturday, March 9. I figure he's asking face value because the guy who was supposed to use the ticket can't make it.
If interested, contact him directly at karsty@pacbell.net . Thanks.
Rick
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Copyright stuff... Message-ID: <m16iOuO-000IPgC@mail.interzone.com>
>From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org> >Check your copyright law. Graham is correct, you don't have the legal >RIGHT to make copies of copyrighted material, you DO have the DEFENSE of >Fair Use if you do somehow find a way to copy it. > >Before you reply, please do a minute or two of research. I just did a >10 page research paper on Copyright Law. I'm certain of this. > >Again, this only pertains to US copyright law. >
Is your paper on the web? What's the URL?
Steve
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:58:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Copyright stuff... Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0203052356550.7305-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
if your paper isn't on the web, could you please put it up somewhere?? i know that steve & i won't be the only ones interested in checking this out. thanks. -eric
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Steve Chew wrote:
> >Before you reply, please do a minute or two of research. I just did a > >10 page research paper on Copyright Law. I'm certain of this. > > > >Again, this only pertains to US copyright law. > > > > Is your paper on the web? What's the URL? > > Steve > >
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:44:57 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Check 'em out Message-ID: <001501c1c4b8$eb1a9920$d4d227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
Got a few new cds in the radio station today. They are pretty good so I figured I would give you guys notice. Blind Guardian--A Night At The Opera. If you like BG then you will love this. If you never really gotten into them before this could be a good place to step onboard. All of the standard BG stuff is here. Fast, heavy, instruments and soaring vocal lines. Precious Jerusalem is definitely my favorite track on the record. I can listen to the whole album fine. That is usually a good sign.
Angle Dust--Of Human Bondage. I like this album a lot. I don't think it is as good as Enlighten the Darkness. However, I wouldn't hesitate to shell out a few dollars to buy it. There is more emphasis on heavy riffing and hooks in the choruses. There is a very bizarre cover of a Seal song. Who would have guessed that?
Callenish Circle--Flesh, Power, Domination. Have you ever heard a band try really hard to sound pissed off only to come off as silly? Pretty disappointing isn't it. Sometimes it is almost comical. Well Callenish Circle really come off as hard and pissed off without sounding absurd. That is no easy feat. Lots of time changes and great riffs stood out. The only negative I can say about it is the vocals. It isn't totally cookie-monstered out but close enough. Too bad.
Onward--Reawaken. I was really looking forward to this one. I thought "Witches Winter Eternal" off their last album was a great song. Evermoving was a album that showed promise. This album is better written. The production is about the same quality as Evermoving. Night, The Seven Tides of Labyrinthine, My Darkest Room, and The Next Triumph are the strongest tracks. The other half of the album just falls short. I am not really sure why. Perhaps it is just a matter of taste.
Thorin
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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:58:05 -0600 From: "Todd O. Klindt" <todd@klindt.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Copyright stuff... Message-ID: <010301c1c4d3$e22f9fc0$3864a8c0@klindt.org>
I'll find it and put it up. It's not that good, to be honest. I had to write it to APA guidelines and some other classroom restraints. I've got class tomorrow evening, but I'll see if I can find it and put it somewhere on Thursday.
tk
-----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Eric George Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Copyright stuff...
if your paper isn't on the web, could you please put it up somewhere?? i know that steve & i won't be the only ones interested in checking this out. thanks. -eric
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Steve Chew wrote:
> >Before you reply, please do a minute or two of research. I just did > >a 10 page research paper on Copyright Law. I'm certain of this. > > > >Again, this only pertains to US copyright law. > > > > Is your paper on the web? What's the URL? > > Steve > >
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:52:48 -0600 From: "Mauricio Martinez" <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: <teof@yahoogroups.com>, <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: DT concert in Monterrey, MX Message-ID: <01c401c1c4e3$f037e5e0$07a8f094@compaq.net.mx>
I just got home from DT's concert in my hometown. (yes, suddenly, DT has my hometown pinned on their map! they better not take away that pin!) Needless to say, i'm awfully tired, but extremely happy to see this band again, playing great and having TONS of fun. I'll write a review later, because i'm hungry, tired and need to rest to be early for the exam i haven't studied for. I asked a guy at the mixing board to give me the printed set. So, when i write the review, this will be all transcribed.....and that means SPOILERS to some of you. You'll be surprised anyways. Till' tomorrow then! Get a ticket early, don't wait for the concert date to approach, if you don't want to to regret not going to this event at all.
Mauricio
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