YTSEJAM Digest 6146
Today's Topics:
1) Slightly OT clarification on Minimalism vs. Simplisticism
by Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
2) over p.
by "Eric Barker" <barkere1@us.ibm.com>
3) Re: Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
by David or Tammy Landis <tdlandis@earthlink.net>
4) Re:Master of Puppets quality
by kurt.hampton@juno.com
5) aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
6) RE: Master of Puppets quality
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
7) Re: aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
8) comments on some posts
by Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
9) MD Portnoy rant
by rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
10) Re: aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
by Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
11) Metal Vocalists
by Jonathan Roberts <danthar@yahoo.com>
12) James & Voices
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
13) Chris Jericho sits in with Dream Theater
by "Bryan Moore" <b_rock_h@hotmail.com>
14) Re: Corrections
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
15) DT in Toronto Mar 20 - brief review
by "Lorne Murphy" <lmurphy22@cogeco.ca>
16) Re: Chris Jericho sits in with Dream Theater
by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
17) Re: English language
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:45:08 +0100
From: Heike =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6deker <heike.boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Slightly OT clarification on Minimalism vs. Simplisticism
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020320142605.009ff750@pop3.netcologne.de>
At 01:52 20.03.02 -0800, ytsejam@torchsong.com wrote:
>... is minimalism a superior approach & attitude towards music?? i think
>not. more like an excuse to hide behind because the minimalist's music is
>all that he is capable of producing.
Perhaps we should better apply some terminology like maybe "simplicistic"
to this (Power) Pop stuff.
Minimalism usually denotes a certain style of art, also of more interest
here, Minimal Music as invented by La Monte Young and Terry Riley, while
Steve Reich and Philip Glass "jumping on the bandwagon" (Hamel 1994) went
to Jazz-oriented labels ECM and Virgin respectively popularizing the genre.
As for a rootage, Indonesian gamelan (Malay "to beat") often has been
claimed, whereas Mertens (new ed. 1998) sees MM emerging as the latest
stage in a development leading from Schvnberg, Webern, Stockhausen and
Cage. On the other hand, Reich himself has found supporters for claiming of
parallels to the Notre Dame school, e.g. cantus firmus technique in "Music
for 18 Musicians", frequent use of pentatonic patterns, as well as a
spatiotemporal organization without build-up of tension and culmination.
Rather, the listener is immersed into a world of sound, in which
concentrated listening is required to stay aware of the subtle changes,
which grant hir dispense from the ordinary world of experiencing space and
time in other words: a religious experience.
This also resembles Hamel's concern to compose music accessible through
intution, i.e. which is accessible not only to the trained specialist by
being serious and popular at the very same time (a virtue probably stemming
from his rootage in the Munich School also featuring Christian Burchard and
Edgar Hofman, who later on founded Embryo, probably the only band besides
the alas shorter-lived Between who could play modal music strict sensu, but
still, though more on formal grounds than because of contents, often
yielded results which from a Classical Arab viewpoint cannot offer a really
convincing fusion of European and Arab approaches, despite the fact their
'{d-player/guitarist Roman Bunka over time has almost developed into a
second Julian Weis). Also, time is a major topic in Hamel's work, so far
comprising "Silence Beyond Time" performed with Between, "Colours of Time"
performed by himself together with Ulrich Kraus, and finally "The Arrow of
Time / The Cycle of Time" performed by the Capella Istrapolitana conducted
by Jaroslav Krcek, feat. Daniela Ruso on cembalo.
Gvtte, Ulli (2000): Minimal Music. Wilhelmshaven: Florian Noetzel
Hamel, Peter Michael (21980): Durch Musik zum Selbst: Wie man Musik neu
erleben und erfahren kann. Kassel: Bdrenreiter
---- (1994): Im Gesprdch mit Frank Stepanek (Interview vom 26.2.1994,
M|nchner Freies Musikzentrum). http://www.stepanek.de/hamel.html
Lovisa, Fabian R. (1996): Minimal Music: Entwicklung, Komponisten, Werke.
Darmstadt: WBG
Mertens, Wim (new ed. 1998): American Minimal Music. London: Kahn & Averill
Reich, Steve (1968): Music as a gradual process. Anti-Illusion:
Procedures/Materials. Ed. Marcia Tucker & James Monte. New York, NY:
Whitney Museum of American Art [repr. in Writings about music: 9-13]
---- (1974): Writings about music. Halifax, NS / New York, NY: The press of
the Nova Scotia College of Arts and Design / New York UP
Best,
Heike
"Die anderen Vvlker dieser Gruppe, die die Wissenschaften nicht gepflegt
haben, gleichen eher Tieren als Menschen. [...] Ihr Charakter ist k|hl, ihr
Humor primitiv, ihre Bduche sind fett, ihr Haar lang und strdhnig. So
mangelt es ihnen an Verstandesschdrfe und Klarheit der Intelligenz, und sie
werden von Unwissenheit und Apathie, fehlender Urteilskraft und Dummheit
|berwdltigt."
(Sa'id ibn Ahmad 1068 |ber die Franken)
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:46:50 -0700
From: "Eric Barker" <barkere1@us.ibm.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: over p.
Message-ID: <OFF2FF91E4.745DE383-ON87256B82.005AADAB@boulder.ibm.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
Subject: overplaying
>The drummer is not playing what should be played for
>that style. However, in a PROGRESSIVE METAL band (for
>lack of a better term), that drum part would probably
>fit perfectly. Therefore it is not overplaying. Bach
>and Mozart ran scales up and down the keyboard in a
>lot of the music they wrote. Were they overplaying,
>or just playing their style of music?
===
>>>>Rob Denni
Rob I totally agree. It depends on the context, definitely.
>>>>the guitarists that i have seen & heard countless times get slammed for
having
>>>>the talent to play something that 99.9% of the other musicians out
there
>>>>can't. so, now, that we've got that all cleared up, it sounds like you
&
>>>>i agree on that rant in it's entirety. :)
>>still jammin',
>>eric
Eric I agree with you also. Context, Context ....
The other Eric
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:46:01 -0600
From: David or Tammy Landis <tdlandis@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Milwaukee Show and James LaBrie, COME ON, you can't ACTUALLY like hiM!
Message-ID: <3C98BCC9.3060805@earthlink.net>
I was at the Milwaukee show and thought James sounded fantastic. I've
always been a fan of James from the very beginning of Dream Theater and
throughout as I bought his side project discs, Mullmuzzler. If James was
to part with the band, I'd never feel the same intensity that I do now
with him in it.
Have you bought any recent CD's lately by Dream Theater? You can't just
judge the vocals by listening to one distorted, and very loud show some
night, you need to hear it on CD. And about those other alternative
bands you mentioned, they don't come close to the sincerity and musical
talent that a band like DT can produce, especially with a frontman like
James Labrie. So go back to your Seattle bands if you want. It's all
about the love of music man, and that's why Dream Theater has plowed
through the music scene as the most popular progressive band in the world.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:24:22 GMT
From: kurt.hampton@juno.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re:Master of Puppets quality
Message-ID: <20020320.122448.28981.38734@wm11.jersey.juno.com>
I just traded for another source (dat) I have both nighst on cd, the quality is pretty good although I have yet to hear the mp3's so have no basis for comaprison. I dont wanna put em up on the net and really only have time for a few trades so if you email me and I dont email you back Im not being a dick, Im graduating college in 2 months and school is kicking my ass.
Back to lurking,
Kurt
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:59:08 -0500
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
Message-ID: <B8BE381B.10B6D%bhayden@umn.edu>
on 3/19/02 4:38 PM, Eric George at drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org scribbled in
vibrant crayola:
> is minimalism a superior approach & attitude towards music?? i think not.
> more like an excuse to hide behind because the minimalist's music is all
> that he is capable of producing.
Complete and utter bullshit, and a perfect example is close at hand for this
list. Kevin Moore. Whether you like Chroma Key or not, it's a prime example
of the nature of minimalism. I dare say that, with the possible exception of
Myung, Kevin Moore is better on his instrument than anyone presently in DT.
Yet, he chose to leave behind their style. Why?
Because just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
It doesn't mean you shouldn't, either. It's a matter of aesthetics. If you
like 256th notes, go for it. If you've proven you can do it, and you want to
move on to something else, that's great too. Personally, I enjoy the
occasional progmetal bit of bombast, but generally, I like minimalism.
I don't like Oasis, Weezer, or Beck. You're being unfair and inaccurate in
equating "minimalism" to pop. A well-approached "minimalist" composition is
much more interesting to me in its subtlety than are most progressive
compositions.
Why? Because a progressive compositions too often fall back on "we can play
really fast and know our scales," which really, is a function of dexterity,
practice, and talent--all admirable aspects of any activity--but it leaves
out *creativity*. Virtuosos are often just that: virtuosos. How many great
violin players in the history of the instrument have also been great
composers? In the centuries of that instrument's existence? In my opinion,
exactly one: Paganini. Point: because someone is a great player, does not
mean they have anything interesting to say compositionally. This is nothing
to be ashamed of; players of the world's great orchestras know this. But, if
you're going to be in a band, writing and playing your own music, the stakes
are different.
A minimalist compositionm, on the other hand, has nothing to hide behind. No
pyrotechnics to distract from the man behind the curtain. It relies on
creating intrigue with a minimal amount of material. That's so, so much more
of a challenge than stringing together your average progmetal song.
I don't see the difference between a boring three-chord pop song, and a
boring progmetal "opus." To me, a barrage of music does not make up for a
lack of compositional interest. Some people simply like the fireworks. More
power to you. But if that's the case, don't try to disingenuously frame the
argument in terms of musical talent.
The argument is aesthetics.
-brian
webmaster, http://www.urbanexplorers.net
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:21:15 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Master of Puppets quality
Message-ID: <3CEB2BD450223743A4895C0D0C5DFC3A94632D@haxlcsechp0.healthaxis.dom>
The MP3s are very good quality. (the ones that were already posted on a web
site)
JM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kurt.hampton@juno.com [SMTP:kurt.hampton@juno.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re:Master of Puppets quality
>
> I just traded for another source (dat) I have both nighst on cd, the
> quality is pretty good although I have yet to hear the mp3's so have no
> basis for comaprison. I dont wanna put em up on the net and really only
> have time for a few trades so if you email me and I dont email you back Im
> not being a dick, Im graduating college in 2 months and school is kicking
> my ass.
>
> Back to lurking,
> Kurt
>
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:24:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
Message-ID: <20020320212417.35865.qmail@web11308.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu> wrote:
> Complete and utter bullshit, and a perfect example is close at hand for this
> list. Kevin Moore. Whether you like Chroma Key or not, it's a prime example
> of the nature of minimalism. I dare say that, with the possible exception of
> Myung, Kevin Moore is better on his instrument than anyone presently in DT.
> Yet, he chose to leave behind their style. Why?
Moore is a great composer and a good keyboardist, but I don't see that as a
reason to disparage the talents of anyone else, in DT or any other ensemble.
What basis do you have for comparing musicians whom, I dare say, you haven't
heard playing in their private practice rooms?
>
> Why? Because a progressive compositions too often fall back on "we can play
> really fast and know our scales," which really, is a function of dexterity,
> practice, and talent--all admirable aspects of any activity--but it leaves
> out *creativity*.
What you have to realize is, the reason that the scales exist is because they
are combinations of notes that sound good when put together, or create a
certain mood or feel. And there's a lot more to playing fast than knowledge of
scales. You have to know what key you're in, time your modulations in
accordance with the chord progression, and figure out harmony. Moreover,
guitarists like Petrucci play outside of the scale patterns by placing notes on
a scale to match the chord progressions. Take the solo from JLMB, for example,
and listen to it. The reason scales exist is for them to be used; music that
doesn't fit the modern modal theory is something completely different, and does
not necessarily indicate more creativity in its presentation.
> Virtuosos are often just that: virtuosos. How many great violin players in
> the history of the instrument have also been great composers? In the
> centuries of that instrument's existence? In my opinion, exactly one:
> Paganini. Point: because someone is a great player, does not mean they have
> anything interesting to say compositionally. This is nothing to be ashamed
> of; players of the world's great orchestras know this. But, if you're going
> to be in a band, writing and playing your own music, the stakes are
different.
How many other violinists you know that composed, and how many of those have
you heard? Upon what are you basing this opinion of which you speak?
And being a virtouso at an instrument does not preclude one from being a good
composer. Why do you single out violin? What's wrong with piano? Or do you
not think that people like Mozart or List were virtuous pianists? That didn't
really preclude them from being great composers.
> A minimalist compositionm, on the other hand, has nothing to hide behind. No
> pyrotechnics to distract from the man behind the curtain. It relies on
> creating intrigue with a minimal amount of material. That's so, so much more
> of a challenge than stringing together your average progmetal song.
May I note, that does not make one or another superior; it's merely a matter of
preference.
> I don't see the difference between a boring three-chord pop song, and a
> boring progmetal "opus." To me, a barrage of music does not make up for a
> lack of compositional interest. Some people simply like the fireworks. More
> power to you. But if that's the case, don't try to disingenuously frame the
> argument in terms of musical talent.
Just because you don't find interest in a "boring" progmetal opus, doesn't mean
other people don't, either. You make too many generalizations that just don't
hold true for everything, everyone, and in all situations.
That be all,
- Ilia.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:12:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Alexis Ramos <alexis_ramos@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: comments on some posts
Message-ID: <20020320221203.5677.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com>
First of all, great post Eric. I agree 100% with your
opinion. I can't understand either why some people
praise minimalism and bash more elaborate
arrangements. I know that most of the times the
people that think this way are quite ignorant, but
sometimes this same attitude comes from people who are
pretty good musicians and who like and even create
quite elaborate music. A friend of mine is the
drummer of a very good band that creates excellent
music, and he loves jazz and fusiony stuff, and yet he
used to praise the music of a guy called Manu Chau,
who writes and plays the simplest songs you can ever
imagine. I would tell him that that music sucked, and
he would tell me that I just didn't understand it. I
still don't know what there is to understand...
Second, to the guy who doesn't like James' voice,
could you please mention singers you like? And what
is it specifically that you don't like about his
voice? Or is it the way he uses his voice? Do you
like singers such as Bruce Dickinson, Michael Kiske,
etc. who pretty much have a similar style to James?
James has a very privileged voice, and I can't
understand why people wouldn't like it. I'm not
saying that everybody has to like it, but I just don't
understand somebody not liking it.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:21:39 -0800 (PST)
From: rob denni <drummerdream@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: MD Portnoy rant
Message-ID: <20020320222139.18446.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com>
To the guy who ranted about Mike Portnoy's comments in
Modern Drummer, I would like to say that the quote he
used was taken out of context. The quote he used was
found on page 56 of the May issue, but was used as an
"ad" for the article, not an exact quote. The whole
statement was found on page 58. I know most of us
don't agree with the rant, and he is entitled to his
opinion. However, any good arguement should have a
sound foundation. So if you will indulge me, let me
quote out of the magazine what Mike said: "I had
been using smaller kits on the Transatlantic and LTE
albums. Most of the clinics I had done were also on a
smaller kit, and I was really starting to enjoy it.
But the more I thought about it, I felt that going
smaller with Dream Theater just wouldn't be
appropriate. I didn't think the fans would accept
seeing me perform on a smaller kit. I can remember
when Neil Peart scaled down to a single bass drum. As
a fan, I was disappointed. So I came up with the idea
of putting together the small kit with the big kit and
incorporating it all into one huge kit." Sounds a
little different when taken in context. The ranter
probably doesn't care about this difference but maybe
he will learn to take the time to read an article
before passing judgement.
====
Rob Denni
3008 Tallwood Way
Augusta, GA 30906
(706) 790-8937
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:24:50 -0500
From: Brian Hayden <bhayden@umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: aesthetics, minimalism, and the case against progmetal bands
Message-ID: <B8BE7662.10BF0%bhayden@umn.edu>
on 3/20/02 4:40 PM, Ilia at painlessscream@yahoo.com scribbled in vibrant
crayola:
>> Why? Because a progressive compositions too often fall back on "we can play
>> really fast and know our scales," which really, is a function of dexterity,
>> practice, and talent--all admirable aspects of any activity--but it leaves
>> out *creativity*.
>
> What you have to realize is, the reason that the scales exist is because they
> are combinations of notes that sound good when put together, or create a
> certain mood or feel.
Heh. Thank you. I know why scales exist. :)
> And there's a lot more to playing fast than knowledge of
> scales.
I never said playing fast had anything to do with scales. I said the two are
the main functions of a lot of bad prog(metal).
> You have to know what key you're in, time your modulations in
> accordance with the chord progression, and figure out harmony.
Granted. But the point remains: these things are all about the basis, the
physicality, the theory. The composition, the creativity, is the next step
which can be enabled but is not dependent upon or a necessary result of the
above.
> How many other violinists you know that composed, and how many of those have
> you heard?
Exactly. How many do you know of?
> And being a virtouso at an instrument does not preclude one from being a good
> composer.
Obviously. I specifically pointed out a man with the dual nature. What's
your point?
I'm saying that composition skills don't necessarily, or even often, follow
from virtuosity.
> Why do you single out violin? What's wrong with piano? Or do you
> not think that people like Mozart or List were virtuous pianists? That didn't
> really preclude them from being great composers.
Okay, take piano. You came up with two, in the approximately four hundred
year existence of the modern piano. The point is unchanged.
>> A minimalist composition, on the other hand, has nothing to hide behind. No
>> pyrotechnics to distract from the man behind the curtain. It relies on
>> creating intrigue with a minimal amount of material. That's so, so much more
>> of a challenge than stringing together your average progmetal song.
>
> May I note, that does not make one or another superior; it's merely a matter
> of preference.
Considering that was *the whole point of my post*, please do note it. May I
repeat: It's not an argument about talent or superiority; it's an argument
about *aesthetics*, and therefore a fruitless one.
> Just because you don't find interest in a "boring" progmetal opus, doesn't
> mean other people don't, either.
What? What? What? That was my whole point. See the above.
> You make too many generalizations that just don't
> hold true for everything, everyone, and in all situations.
Absolutely untrue. I simply stated my opinion, and allowed others
theirs--with an admonishment to be honest and *admit that it's an aesthetic
opinion*.
Here's the original quote I was responding to:
> is minimalism a superior approach & attitude towards music?? i think not.
> more like an excuse to hide behind because the minimalist's music is all
> that he is capable of producing.
I nowhere indicated in my response that minimalism is better (that I prefer
it, yes, but not that it's better). I argued that there's no good reason to
dismiss it in Eric's terms. If one doesn't like it, that's great, listen to
what you like. But to privilege maxi over mini (I sound like a women's
hygiene ad) by claiming it as some sort of truth is simply silly. *That's*
the overgeneralization.
-brian
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:25:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Roberts <danthar@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Metal Vocalists
Message-ID: <20020321022525.4064.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com>
Russell Allen from Symphony X is probably the best
metal vocatlist I've ever heard live. Power, style,
energy, I couldn't believe it when I saw him in Jersey
last year.
Jon
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:01:46 -0600
From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: James & Voices
Message-ID: <001701c1d095$84ff1a60$bb2227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
Tony wrote:
" . . .his vocals were still nauseating to me, and I couldn't imagine
how anyone actually thinks he sounds even tolerable. You have to get
past the idea that sure he hits notes that most guys can't. Just because
it's difficult to do doesn't make it good."
Is this only in reference to his live performance or is it his voice in
general that you don't like? If it is the live performance then please
consider this. Voices are strange and frustrating things to control.
It takes years of practice to just sound moderately good. Even then you
have to watch what you eat for fear of acid reflux. Sneezing, weather,
allergies, stress can all have dramatic effects on vocal chords. The
human voice isn't like a guitar with its intonation out. You can't just
turn a screw and fix it. Often voices don't recover for days or even
weeks. Guys who can actually sing (Labrie, Dickinson, Cooper, Allen,
Dio,Tate) often have a more difficult time maintaining their voices on
the road because they are called to perform four or five times a week
without rest. You said James sucked the night you saw him. I don't
doubt that. Not every show can be the greatest show of all time.
Everyone has their off days. Especially singers. But at least give
James credit. He did go out there and sing. He did want to give you
the greatest performance ever. Maybe next time you see them James will
be rested and ready sing you into sonic nirvana.
Just a different perspective.
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:10:59 -0500
From: "Bryan Moore" <b_rock_h@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Chris Jericho sits in with Dream Theater
Message-ID: <F1552oHzGkzMcvsq9Ic00003032@hotmail.com>
Whats up fellew fans of the theater, i just got back from the toronto show
and guess who sang pull me under with the band? thats right Chris Jericho
from the WWF! not too sure if his mic was mixed in with the band but he did
share it with james at one point and managed to keep the vocals on key which
was nice!!
ok thats it
Bryan
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:20:41 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Corrections
Message-ID: <m16nwsL-000JlrC@mail.interzone.com>
Also wik ytsejam@torchsong.com:
>
> YTSEJAM Digest 6139
>
>Today's Topics:
>
> 1) enchant
> by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
> 2) Dream theater in Twin Cities newspaper
> by "Al @ Switchcraft" <al@isd.net>
> 3) Tom Martino at Denver show
> by "Eric Barker" <barkere1@us.ibm.com>
> 4) Re: Dream theater in Twin Cities newspaper
> by "Kez" <kez@stickdog.com>
> 5) WDADU-GOLD
> by David or Tammy Landis <tdlandis@earthlink.net>
> 6) **SPOILERS** Kansas City Show Setlist
> by "A_Change Of_Seasons" <sacredjade@hotmail.com>
> 7) Re: enchant
> by Ilia <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
> 8) Release Date of Superior - 'Ultima Ratio'
> by Bernd.Basmer@t-online.de (Bernd Basmer)
> 9) Re: enchant
> by WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
> 10) RE: Release Date of Superior - 'Ultima Ratio'
> by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
> 11) Minneapolis pre-show
> by "segue mike" <jp62693@hotmail.com>
> 12) Re: $1 a day...do you need legal coverage?? .. .>18842
> by Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net>
> 13) Glass Prison video at CDNow
> by Graham Borland <graham@moonbog.net>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:39:41 -0800
>From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
>To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: enchant
>Message-ID: <001f01c1ca73$005e14a0$3d44e40c@attbi.com>
>
>
>
>Subject: Enchant
>>That's one band I pick up their newest CD irregardless of anything.
>
>Two things:
>1. "Irregardless" is not a word.
>
You probably believe that "alright" and "inflammable" are not
words either. :-) But, strangely enough, they have all been used
enough to be regarded as "words" by dictionaries, though two of them
are mainly used causually. Heck, remember the old saying that
"Ain't ain't in the dictionary"? Well, it is now. Language grows
and changes over time.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:19:07 -0500
From: "Lorne Murphy" <lmurphy22@cogeco.ca>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: DT in Toronto Mar 20 - brief review
Message-ID: <000e01c1d0a8$b0d35e90$29378d18@progdlfbd3j72c>
Hi all.... just got home from the show at the Docks in Toronto.
ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING. What an unstoppable group of musicians. Just
sitting in the post-show haze, ears still ringing and muted. Girlfriend
even loved it! Quite a few girls there actually...
The setlist will probably be posted by someone soon, so I will just
offer a quick recap. They did do 2112 finale, By-tor and Working Man,
which was cool. Also, I was surprised at Hollow Years in the encore,
which also included Home and Take the Time. 2nd set was 6DoIT, which was
phenomenal. 1st set included Spirit carries on, which was very warmly
received, 'Scarred' (near perfection), and Misunderstood (my fav from
the new album), complete with noisy Petrucci ending. They didn't play
Peruvian Skies, or 6:00, or Burning my Soul, or Lines in the Sand... and
certainly no Master of Puppets... umm, what else... god, it was just
such a great show. Drank about 5 bottles of water, sweat most of it out
:o) I must say, Portnoy got 50% of my attention just to himself. He is
just so great to watch.
A couple of other points:
- James forgot the words partway through 'Hollow Years', which was
funny..
- Petrucci lost his pick towards the end of the jazzy bit in 'Solitary
Shell', and had to make do with strumming with his hands... also
amusing.
- Portnoy lost a ton of sticks, and even played catch with members of
the audience.
- Myung finally looked at the audience after the encore was finished and
the boys came out to bow, wave, etc... nice to see him make *some*
effort ;o)
- Made eye contact with Petrucci a few times, always enjoy that....
- WWF guy was a 'special guest' during 'Pull me Under'... Jericho
something? Don't watch wrestling, so had no idea who it was. I was
disappointed though, as I thought it may be Tony Levin since he is in
town tomorrow...
- Petrucci and Rudess (who I can't praise enough) traded chops during
'By-Tor', which was rousing. Very enjoyable display, echoing Geddy and
Alex somewhat.
- $50 for a t-shirt? HOLY COW.... sorry guys, no thanks on that one.
- Disappointed at no 'Blind Faith', but I don't think they've been
playing that at all, have they?
- Nearly lost my voice during 'Glass Prison', knew I was in for a long
night..... excellent, excellent show....
Do not miss this show.
- Cheers!
- Lorne Murphy
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:32:58 -0500
From: WB Henderson <wbhenderson@cs.millersville.edu>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Chris Jericho sits in with Dream Theater
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020321022835.018cf7b8@cs.millersville.edu>
>Whats up fellew fans of the theater, i just got back from the toronto show
>and guess who sang pull me under with the band? thats right Chris Jericho
>from the WWF! not too sure if his mic was mixed in with the band but he did
>share it with james at one point and managed to keep the vocals on key which
>was nice!!
That's cool. Jericho's actually not a bad singer. He's got a fake-band
called Fozzy, consisting of him and most of the guys from Stuck Mojo, that
do metal and hard rock covers.
Brian
[NP...Voivod -- Dimension Hatross]
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:35:19 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: English language
Message-ID: <m16nx6V-000JlrC@mail.interzone.com>
>
>> 1. "Irregardless" is not a word.
>
>What a horrible thing this English language is! Why is it that,
>although 'ir' is a legitimate prefix, 'regard' a meaningful root, and
>'less' is a commonly-used suffix, 'irregardless' is not a word?
>'Regardless' is a word, and 'ir' is a properly assimilated form of
>'in', so there really is no problem with 'irregardless'
>grammatically... it boggles my mind...
>
>(By the way, 'irregardless' IS a word in the American English, albeit
>merely a comical redundancy for its affirming counterpart.)
>
Heh, English is great fun. How about 6 pronunciations for the
"ough" ending? There was a Dr Seuss book called something like
"The Tough Coughs as he Ploughs Through the Dough." (not to mention
Hiccough) :-)
And many, many words have the same spelling but different
pronunciations that are based purely on context:
1 The bandage was wound around the wound.
2 The farm was used to produce produce.
3 The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
4 We must polish the Polish furniture.
5 He could lead if he would get the lead out.
6 The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
7 Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was
time to present the present.
8 A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
9 When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
10 I did not object to the object.
11 The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12 There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
13 They were too close to the door to close it.
14 The buck does funny things when the does are present.
15 A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16 To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17 The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18 After a number of injections my jaw got number.
19 Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
20 I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
21 How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
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