YTSEJAM Digest 6739
Today's Topics:
1) Re: a new thread
by George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
2) a new thread (Contamination)
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
3) CDUniverse
by "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
4) rejected? I'll give you rejected!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
5) Re: a new thread
by "Nathan J Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu>
6) Re: a new thread
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
7) Re: thoughts on TOT
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
8) Re: a new thread
by Snarncymbl@aol.com
9) Good news and bad news.
by George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
10) Re: CDUniverse
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:16:03 +1100
From: George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: a new thread
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031215160814.03fde2f8@clyde.its.unimelb.edu.au>
Back in '93 my friend that got me into Rush played me "Take the Time". It
was the beginning of new enlightenment :-) Since then anyone I want to
impress with DT, it must be with this song.
George.
At 08:59 PM 14/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey all, to bust some talk out of you all, here's a thought.
>What track / album did you use to get a friend or anyone hooked on DT?
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:13:19 +0100
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: a new thread (Contamination)
Message-ID: <008701c3c2eb$ae9c7c60$3cff9f0a@PCxxxx>
> What track / album did you use to get a friend or anyone hooked on DT?
I call that contamination ;).
It's so cool to get the people around you to dig the same music.
Up to the SFNY DVD, I used "A man beside itself" in the correct order for
metal heads, and starting with the Silent Man for the others.
But since then I just pass SFNY, the whole first non stop passage from the
first "tick tack" to title screen coming up "DREAMTHEATER" on a black
background (at the end of ) is a total hooker.
IMO after that if you are not blown away, your not into that kind of music.
I'm always careful of pointing out the GROWING of prog music and that not
many (no one?) can judge a song on the first listen.
ACBLF.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:04:56 +1100
From: "Niall Connaughton" <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: CDUniverse
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMKEJCDCAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Well, Mike. I remember this convo a little while back, and it seemed you had
had a rare bad run in with CDUniverse. So here's my story.
After finding out Utopia in Sydney once again had no idea who Dream Theater
were (except for the one guy in there who probably holds the whole prog
scene there together), I decided to pre-order. CDUniverse had better
shipping prices for shipping time given than Amazon, so away I placed my
order. Then I saw your post, and I thought "Hmm, hope it's an isolated
incident."
So, they send me an email on November 10th, saying "Lucky you, your CD just
shipped", and I'm like "W00t, 2-5 days and it's sweet."
2-5 days passes.
9 days pass. I send an email, "Yo fathead, where's my CD?". I receive a
reply "Your CD has been shipped with FedEx. It must be in customs in your
country. They will contact you, you might need to pay duties. Sometimes they
may not contact you, you have to wait 30 days before we will ship another
CD." So I point out it's not reasonable to claim 2-5 days shipping if they
don't care until it hits 30 days, and that I chose a more expensive option
for shipping which I didn't need to do in the end. So he refunds me the
difference in shipping costs. At least I get that much.
~25 days after they supposedly shipped the CD, it shows up in my mail box. I
wasn't contacted by customs at all, it has no markings of being touched by
Australian customs, and it is unopened. It also has no markings of FedEx,
only USPS, which makes me wonder if it has been sent with the wrong shipping
method. It also has a sticker on it with a return address for an undelivered
parcel... in Sweden. WTF does Sweden have to do with my package??
So I sent FatHead another mail, asking to know what the hell happened. He
has not responded in the week since I have sent the mail.
So instead I send the jam a mail. Shop elsewhere.
Niall
PS: Luckily, I got a ripped copy from my friend's CD on November 11th
(bought in a back alley shop in Sydney, arrrrrrg) and was listening to it
gleefully all that time anyway. But I had to wait till I had my CD before I
could watch the bonus footage.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Mike Shetzer
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 2:52 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: online ordering TOT
>
>
> Are you serious? Geez... those bastards somehow manage to lie to me about
> when they ship items (they shipped it three days AFTER they said it was
> mailed....), break the case on BOTH sides, AND take TWO WHOLE
> WEEKS to send
> it to me. That's where I draw the big fat line.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <soculese@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: online ordering TOT
>
> > Online ordering can be a beautiful thing. So far, CDUniverse has never
> > burned me, and today looks like no exception. UPS lists my small brown
> box
> > containing TOT as shipped yesterday and already out for
> delivery!!!!! It
> > will be on my doorstep when I get home from work tonight. THIS IS GONNA
> > ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:07:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: rejected? I'll give you rejected!
Message-ID: <20031215150719.61923.qmail@web60802.mail.yahoo.com>
(apparently, this list doesn't like it when you just
hit reply without changing the subject? never seen
that one before.....anyway....)
Yeah, seeing Hell's kitchen probably would shock some
people....I hear it's a tough neighborhood.... (j/k)
> I brought the CD over to my friend / band members
> and showed them Hell's Kitchen and we all freaked
> out together. The rest as they say, is ROCKIN! :P
y'know....I'm not sure I've ever managed to turn
anyone into a dream theater fan, at least not a real,
let's go to see 'em in concert fanatic....I did run
Images and Words past a friend once, was at his place
a few years later, and he had that and Awake, but,
that's probably the most headway I've ever made with
turning someone unfamiliar with the band into a
believer....with, basically, a couple of exceptions
(hi Sarah), none of my friends really share my tastes
in music....
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:56:44 -0600
From: "Nathan J Wilhelm" <wilh0038@umn.edu>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: a new thread
Message-ID: <000f01c3c345$940b15a0$0d00a8c0@nathan>
>
> Hey all, to bust some talk out of you all, here's a thought.
> What track / album did you use to get a friend or anyone hooked on DT?
>
The track that initially got me hooked on to DT was Ytsejam. A friend of
mine played it for me during band class in high school several years ago and
I thought it was pretty cool. He then played me Pull Me Under and Metropolis
Pt. 1 and I was hooked. I went out and bought Images and Words a couple days
later and within a couple weeks I had every DT album to date. That was right
about when FII came out. Unfortunately, I have yet to get anyone else really
hooked on DT. A couple of my friends are casual listeners, but not big fans.
Nate
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:25:19 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: a new thread
Message-ID: <20031215202519.GB18475@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:11:08PM -0800, Mike Shetzer wrote:
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> Hey all, to bust some talk out of you all, here's a thought.
> What track / album did you use to get a friend or anyone hooked on DT?
What went around came around. The guy who got me into good music (e.g.
Zep, Sabbath etc) went into the Israeli army for a few years. During
the time he was there, I got all prog, and on his return I was able to
stun him with DT, Rush, and the usual suspects. I knew he'd like them,
but I believe I got him started by lending him Hemispheres and A Change
Of Seasons.
It was the least I could do - if it wasn't for him I might still be
listening to Prince and Janet Jackson. ;)
A
PS Actually Prince was good in the 80's.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:52:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: thoughts on TOT
Message-ID: <20031215215231.13458.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>
>damn i missed it on WSOU... they play both songs all
>the way through as they are very long. I would expect
>that to force them to play those songs overnight
>when they have the time. But the DJ's at that station
>pretty much rock anyway.
I guess I'm just lucky when I hit SOU they play good
music :)
Yeah, the DJs are usually pretty good, but some of
them have a hard time formulating sentences!! I
suppose I should cut them some slack as they're silly
college students ;)
>apparently the dj said he felt he was lazy and he
>wanted to play long songs all night lol
That's awesome. I hope he gets lazy more often.
Alex
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:07:06 EST
From: Snarncymbl@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: a new thread
Message-ID: <a.39bdeb58.2d0f8a8a@aol.com>
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The song I showed my friends was not a song at all. I showed all of my
friends the DVD of 'Scenes from a Memory" and they were hooked from then on. I had
to show them the DVD because its the only way to get someone into DT. You have
to see them in concert in order to truely be amazed. Everybody I showed the
DVD to were mesmerized at all the stuff going on and were instant fans. Even the
people who were 'punks' and 'metel' lovers were hooked by DT and converted
into the religion of DT. It just goes to show you how great Dream Theater is.
They were able to attracted people from other genres of music. Just the very
sight of them working hard and doing what they do made people I show it to a fan
of theirs. Rock on, Dream Theater. I used to be the only kid at my school who
knew who Dream Theater was. And now there is a small 'cult' of us who love you
guys :)
Art Fernandez
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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:48:36 +1100
From: George Papadopetros <gp1@unimelb.edu.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Good news and bad news.
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20031216113639.00ba7a88@clyde.its.unimelb.edu.au>
Man, I was at my parents house yesterday. They buy the local Greek
newspaper. On Mondays they have a section in english and I was just
flicking through it when my eye caught the Greek music charts.
The good news. TOT is at No 2.!!!!! They don't even get radio play here
(not that I've heard). I know when I went there 12 years ago my cousins
were into some really cool stuff. I was really impressed because even
though we'd never met before our music tastes were almost the same. And
believe me, there are a lot of cousins, so this doesn't really surprise me
that my favourite band is up there in the charts. They are lucky that top
bands regularly travel all over Europe, while we get just the usual
mainstream acts most of the time. The distance and relatively small
population works against us.
The bad news? Britney is No 1. :-(
George.
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Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:12:16 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: CDUniverse
Message-ID: <004201c3c37a$06bcaa80$9b00a8c0@mizz>
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Damn right Niall, stay the crap away from these folk.
----- Original Message -----
From: Niall Connaughton
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:24 AM
Subject: CDUniverse
Well, Mike. I remember this convo a little while back, and it seemed you had
had a rare bad run in with CDUniverse. So here's my story.
After finding out Utopia in Sydney once again had no idea who Dream Theater
were (except for the one guy in there who probably holds the whole prog
scene there together), I decided to pre-order. CDUniverse had better
shipping prices for shipping time given than Amazon, so away I placed my
order. Then I saw your post, and I thought "Hmm, hope it's an isolated
incident."
So, they send me an email on November 10th, saying "Lucky you, your CD just
shipped", and I'm like "W00t, 2-5 days and it's sweet."
2-5 days passes.
9 days pass. I send an email, "Yo fathead, where's my CD?". I receive a
reply "Your CD has been shipped with FedEx. It must be in customs in your
country. They will contact you, you might need to pay duties. Sometimes they
may not contact you, you have to wait 30 days before we will ship another
CD." So I point out it's not reasonable to claim 2-5 days shipping if they
don't care until it hits 30 days, and that I chose a more expensive option
for shipping which I didn't need to do in the end. So he refunds me the
difference in shipping costs. At least I get that much.
~25 days after they supposedly shipped the CD, it shows up in my mail box. I
wasn't contacted by customs at all, it has no markings of being touched by
Australian customs, and it is unopened. It also has no markings of FedEx,
only USPS, which makes me wonder if it has been sent with the wrong shipping
method. It also has a sticker on it with a return address for an undelivered
parcel... in Sweden. WTF does Sweden have to do with my package??
So I sent FatHead another mail, asking to know what the hell happened. He
has not responded in the week since I have sent the mail.
So instead I send the jam a mail. Shop elsewhere.
Niall
PS: Luckily, I got a ripped copy from my friend's CD on November 11th
(bought in a back alley shop in Sydney, arrrrrrg) and was listening to it
gleefully all that time anyway. But I had to wait till I had my CD before I
could watch the bonus footage.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Mike Shetzer
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2003 2:52 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: online ordering TOT
>
>
> Are you serious? Geez... those bastards somehow manage to lie to me about
> when they ship items (they shipped it three days AFTER they said it was
> mailed....), break the case on BOTH sides, AND take TWO WHOLE
> WEEKS to send
> it to me. That's where I draw the big fat line.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <soculese@comcast.net>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:50 AM
> Subject: online ordering TOT
>
> > Online ordering can be a beautiful thing. So far, CDUniverse has never
> > burned me, and today looks like no exception. UPS lists my small brown
> box
> > containing TOT as shipped yesterday and already out for
> delivery!!!!! It
> > will be on my doorstep when I get home from work tonight. THIS IS GONNA
> > ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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