YTSEJAM digest 6453

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YTSEJAM Digest 6453

Today's Topics:

1) Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
by Marcelo Muzilli <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
 2) Baltimore. MD 2002 show
by "Jason L. Gelnett" <jgelnett@comcast.net>
 3) Rush recommendations
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
 4) RE: Cd purchases
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
 5) Re: CD Purchases
by "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
 6) Re: Cd purchases
by Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
 7) Re: CD Purchases
by "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
 8) RE: Cd purchases
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
 9) Re: Evanescence
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
10) Re: Rush and Yes
by schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
11) UACM Virus?
by "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
12) Random Question
by Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
13) RE: Eve
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
14) Re: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
15) Re: UACM Virus?
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
16) Re: Random Question
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
17) Re: Lod, DoD
by Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
18) Re: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:13:12 -0800
From: Marcelo Muzilli <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
Message-ID: <3E4002B8.603@ig.com.br>

Hi guys,
I know that this 6 discs box (Forbidden Dreams) can be find in the
SFAM Dream Theater site. Now, I want to download the discs 5 and 6, and
the site (SFAM) puts 2 discs per month to download. I lost the discs 5
and 6. In March, the site will put the discs 3 and 4 to download in the
BOOTLEG OF THE MONTH section.
Can you give another bootleg address to download it, if you know, of
course!!! ;-)

Regards,

Marcelo Muzilli
UIN 1572797

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 07:17:05 -0500
From: "Jason L. Gelnett" <jgelnett@comcast.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Baltimore. MD 2002 show
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030204071424.00bc1008@mail.comcast.net>

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Does anyone know if the Baltimore show from the last tour was recorder. It
was the first DT show that I got to see with my brother and I would love to
get a copy. I can trade if anyone has it. Thanks.
J

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:24:49 -0400
From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Rush recommendations
Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAFC@mailserver.vivienda.local>

Here's what I think you should buy next from Rush:

Old school Rush:

Permanent Waves - This is a kickass album with classics such as The Spirit of Radio, Freewill, Jacob's Ladder, Natural Science. Truly Amazing and progressive.

Hemispheres - Amazing album similar to 2112 in terms of organization, with one very long song and a few short ones. Very progressive as well, and with excellent songs (can't remember which ones exactly, but they're all great).

A Farewell to Kings - Includes classics such as Xanadu, Closer to the Heart, Cygnus X-1. Great as well.

Exit Stage Left - Live album recorded during the Moving Pictures tour. Great setlist and performance.

After you get these, your next step depends on your tastes, since Rush started to experiment a bit more and change their style gradually. Here are my must buys: Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Presto, Counterparts, Vapor Trails. I do have to say that pretty much all Rush albums are very good. The only studio album that they've released and I've never felt the urge to buy is Roll the Bones. Some people absolutely love Hold Your Fire, but it's not a sure thing for everybody. But start out with the ones at the top and you will be very happy.

Alexis

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:33:38 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Cd purchases
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438A174A0@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>

Here are some "must haves" for Rush

Counterparts
Permanent Waves
Grace Under Pressure
Signals
Fly By Night

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich [mailto:richleask@pobox.com]
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Cd purchases

<html>
<body>
Like so many before me I bow before the collective knowledge of the 'Jam,
and humbly ask for advice, having been so well served in the past by what
has been given to others here.  
To whit: I am wondering which Rush and Yes albums I should
purchase next, and would like some opinions, the more the better. 
In regards to Rush, I currently have "2112" and
"Moving Pictures", think they are both great, and wonder where
to go next.  The Yes I have comprises "Close To The
Edge" and "Fragile", and again I really like them, but
want more.  
As you may well understand, with both of these artist having released so
many albums, I am swamped by the choices before me and financially
incapable of buying all their recordings.  Any assistance with my
dilemma would be much appreciated.  
Yours etc.  
Rich  </body>
</html>

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:45:34 -0500
From: "Ivan Navarro" <inavarro@mdo.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: CD Purchases
Message-ID: <000a01c2cc54$11967f30$76035a8c@OPS113110>

Despite your annoying use of HTML, since you've sucked up properly and are
talking about two of my favs, I'm going to help you out ;-)

Rush releases (IMO) can be grouped in eras. The CD's you listed happen to
fall in and bracket my favorite era (progressive). 2112 was the start and
MP ended it (although some may argue that Signals is the last of that era
but I believe that it actually starts their next phase. For more of the same
as what you have, you could get A Farewell to Kings (I would get this one
next if I were you) Hemispheres, or Permanent Waves (in that order). Those
five represent the greatest works Rush ever produced!

The earlier stuff is less refined/produced but still awesome classic Rush.
Fly By Night (more rock, w/ classic Bytor and the Snow Dog) and Carress of
Steel (more progressive and moody with references to Lord of the Rings). The
self titled disc does not have Neil Peart but does have some great rock
songs on it. All the World's a Stage is on of the greatest live albums ever
produced (IM not so HO). The Cd's after MP started going in a more
commercially accessible direction (again, IMO) and are less for me than the
previous YMMV. My favs from this period is Power Windows.

Yes is tough one, because I like them all up to Talk (which happens to be
one of my favorites). You already own the to most essential. I would go for
the Yes Album to complete the Trilogy with the first of those three. After
that it's hard to say. Relayer is dark and moody but classic although kind
of obscure, kind of similar in style is Tales from Topographic Oceans
(double Album). Then there was the more pop/lighter mood of Going for the
One and Tormato. Drama featured singer and keyboardist from the Buggles
(Video Killed the Radio Star) which was very different but I happen to like
it a lot! Then later there was the Trevor Rabin era which was not for
everyone. 90125 of course includes Owner of a Lonely Heart, and Big
Generator was similar, then came Talk. I would get Talk from these three
especially if you own a subwoofer for your playback system (a real one not a
computer wannabe). I have not gotten into any of the latest stuff they've
been doing or even since Union.

I-Man

> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:45:31 +1100
> From: Rich <richleask@pobox.com>
> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> Subject: Cd purchases
> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030204143006.00a4e080@pop.ozemail.com.au>
>
> <html>
> <body>
> Like so many before me I bow before the collective knowledge of the 'Jam,
> and humbly ask for advice, having been so well served in the past by what
> has been given to others here.  
> To whit: I am wondering which Rush and Yes albums I should
> purchase next, and would like some opinions, the more the better. 
> In regards to Rush, I currently have "2112" and
> "Moving Pictures", think they are both great, and wonder where
> to go next.  The Yes I have comprises "Close To The
> Edge" and "Fragile", and again I really like them, but
> want more. 

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:24:54 -0500
From: Coldfire <coldie@bellatlantic.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Cd purchases
Message-ID: <3E3FCD36.FB720AA2@bellatlantic.net>

Hey There my friend...you included some good ones in there..but ya
forgot Hold Your Fire ;)

Coldfire

"Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote:
>
> Here are some "must haves" for Rush
>
> Counterparts
> Permanent Waves
> Grace Under Pressure
> Signals
> Fly By Night
>
> JM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich [mailto:richleask@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:58 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Cd purchases
>
> <html>
> <body>
> Like so many before me I bow before the collective knowledge of the 'Jam,
> and humbly ask for advice, having been so well served in the past by what
> has been given to others here.  
> To whit: I am wondering which Rush and Yes albums I should
> purchase next, and would like some opinions, the more the better. 
> In regards to Rush, I currently have "2112" and
> "Moving Pictures", think they are both great, and wonder where
> to go next.  The Yes I have comprises "Close To The
> Edge" and "Fragile", and again I really like them, but
> want more.  
> As you may well understand, with both of these artist having released so
> many albums, I am swamped by the choices before me and financially
> incapable of buying all their recordings.  Any assistance with my
> dilemma would be much appreciated.  
> Yours etc.  
> Rich  </body>
> </html>

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:28:39 -0000
From: "Antony Gelberg" <ag@antgel.co.uk>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: CD Purchases
Message-ID: <00be01c2cc59$b6210c50$1900a8c0@Loanprocessing.co.uk>

Everyone's gonna tell you something different. :-)

Rush... Get them all! The next five you should go for are Hemispheres,
Caress Of Steel (so underrated), A Farewell To Kings, Signals, and
Counterparts. Then Fly By Night, Rush, Grace Under Pressure. Then the
other newer stuff - Test For Echo and Vapor Trails. By now you will be a
committed fan and will have a good chance of being able to see the beauty
behind the 80's cheese on Hold Your Fire, Power Windows, and Presto. The
only album I don't like as much as the others is Roll The Bones, which
starts with two _amazing_ tracks then becomes quickly forgettable.
Also get all four live albums... :-)

As for Yes, get The Yes Album, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Relayer, and
Going For The One. I think that was their last good album - Drama had some
ok bits but isn't a classic like the others. Also Yessongs is a good live
album.

That's why I rate Rush so much higher than Yes - consistent high quality
over many years.

Tony

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:36:00 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Cd purchases
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438A17505@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>

I'm at work and that's all I could think of off the top of my head....
silly ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Coldfire [mailto:coldie@bellatlantic.net]

Hey There my friend...you included some good ones in there..but ya
forgot Hold Your Fire ;)

Coldfire

"Souter, Jan-Michael" wrote:
>
> Here are some "must haves" for Rush
>
> Counterparts
> Permanent Waves
> Grace Under Pressure
> Signals
> Fly By Night
>
> JM
>

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:44:58 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Evanescence
Message-ID: <20030204164458.5033C374066@valhalla.interzone.com>

>
>nah, it'll be a good album.
>
>their first album (_Origin_ from 2000 or 2001) was pretty kick ass...
>i've been spinning it for the past two years...
>
>Evanescence has a nice mix...
>

Cool, I'm glad to hear that. Is that CD out of print? Are there
any plans to rerelease it?

Steve

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:07:34 -0500 (EST)
From: schew@interzone.com (Steve Chew)
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Rush and Yes
Message-ID: <20030204170734.8D6A0374066@valhalla.interzone.com>

>From: Rich <richleask@pobox.com>:
>Like so many before me I bow before the collective knowledge of the 'Jam,
>and humbly ask for advice, having been so well served in the past by what
>has been given to others here.
>To whit: I am wondering which Rush and Yes albums I should
>purchase next, and would like some opinions, the more the better. 
>

Rich,
First I'd suggest turning off HTML in your email client. As for
the music:

Rush: I love both "2112" and "Moving Pictures" too. I don't like "newer"
Rush as much (after Hold Your Fire)

    - "Hemispheres" -- One of my favorites with Rush classics like
        "La Villa Strangiato" and "Trees."
    - "A Farewell to Kings" -- This one and "Hemispheres" follow in
        the footsteps of "2112" with long songs and great instrumental
        sections.
    - "Permanent Waves" is somewhat like "Moving Pictures" though not quite
        as good, imho.
    - "Signals" came after "Moving Pictures" and starts moving a bit
        more into the shorter song-oriented style, but has a lot of good tunes.
    - "Grace Under Pressure" follows in "Signals" footsteps with more great
        songs.

Yes: I also love both "Close to the Edge" and "Fragile".

    - "The Yes Album" - This one was before "Fragile" and is in a similar
        vein. It contains a number of Yes classics like "Starship Trooper"
    - "Relayer" - This is a more experimental "Close to the Edge." I never
        got into it as much as CttE though.
    - I didn't like the next few '70s Yes albums as much as the earlier ones.
        They just got a bit too experimental. The only exception is "Going
        for the One" which has the beautiful "Awaken."
    - "90125" - This was Yes' move into the '80s and while it's much more
        pop than their earlier stuff it's still great.
    - "Keys to Ascension 2" - This has my favorite Yes tune from the '90s:
        "Mind Drive," a 20 minute song that sits up there with the '70s ones.
        The rest of the CD is good, but not as good as the '70s stuff.
    - Stay away from "Open Your Eyes" which was terrible, imo.
    - "Magnification" - This is their most recent CD. It's great! They
        brought in an orchestra, which I was a bit concerned about since
        the "orchestra plays Yes tunes" never worked that well for me, but
        in this case it is wonderful. They do much more than just play backup.
        They are an important part of the music which sounds fresh, crisp and
        clean. It is different from their earlier CDs, but it is still
        classic Yes.

In any case, you're in for a treat. Let us know what you decide
and enjoy!

Steve

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:22:21 -0500
From: "Dan Costello" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: UACM Virus?
Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIEEOOCBAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>

I just got the latest edition of the UACM newletter, which tells everybody
about the new DT screensaver. Apparently they actually attached the
screensaver to the e-mail, and now my e-mail server is saying that it was
infected w/ a virus.

-Dan.

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:27:06 -0300
From: Eduardo Ojeda <PuppiesOnAcid@softhome.net>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Random Question
Message-ID: <p05100300ba65b4e074b8@[216.244.255.228]>

Did anyone else here literally laughed out loud when they first heard
the "Thank You" track from the OIAL dropouts? Especially when JP
tries to play The Mirror without setting the right distortion and MP
says "You were suppossed to play The Mirror there, man..."

Maybe I'm getting a little too obsessed with DT ;)

Oh, and just for the record: You MUST listen to PoS's Remedy Lane AT
LEAST five times before deciding you don't like it. I didn't my first
two times, now I can't live without it.

- Edu

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:09:17 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: Eve
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438A17678@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>

It's great with all of the sound bytes that Kevin Moore seemed to be a fan
of.

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Gelberg [mailto:ag@antgel.co.uk]

I've been listening to the NIghttown Nostalgia bootleg. I always loved the
songs on the OIAL video, and it's great to hear the rest of the gig. Where
did Eve come from? Is it an out-take or B-side? It's a cracking track.

Tony

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:40:41 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
Message-ID: <007901c2cca6$d437f670$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>

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6 discs???? what's on them??
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marcelo Muzilli
  To: Multiple recipients of list
  Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:05 AM
  Subject: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?

  Hi guys,
      I know that this 6 discs box (Forbidden Dreams) can be find in the
  SFAM Dream Theater site. Now, I want to download the discs 5 and 6, and
  the site (SFAM) puts 2 discs per month to download. I lost the discs 5
  and 6. In March, the site will put the discs 3 and 4 to download in the
  BOOTLEG OF THE MONTH section.
      Can you give another bootleg address to download it, if you know, of
  course!!! ;-)

Regards,

Marcelo Muzilli
UIN 1572797

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:45:19 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: UACM Virus?
Message-ID: <00b501c2cca7$7a192c30$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>

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I hope you didnt open it =)
Mark Bredius sent out a mail later in the day saying it was someone who hacked his email add.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dan Costello
  To: Multiple recipients of list
  Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:24 PM
  Subject: UACM Virus?

  I just got the latest edition of the UACM newletter, which tells everybody
  about the new DT screensaver. Apparently they actually attached the
  screensaver to the e-mail, and now my e-mail server is saying that it was
  infected w/ a virus.

-Dan.

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Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:47:05 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Random Question
Message-ID: <00d001c2cca7$b921a5b0$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>

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Where is this thank you drop out track?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Eduardo Ojeda
  To: Multiple recipients of list
  Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:24 PM
  Subject: Random Question

  Did anyone else here literally laughed out loud when they first heard
  the "Thank You" track from the OIAL dropouts? Especially when JP
  tries to play The Mirror without setting the right distortion and MP
  says "You were suppossed to play The Mirror there, man..."

Maybe I'm getting a little too obsessed with DT ;)

  Oh, and just for the record: You MUST listen to PoS's Remedy Lane AT
  LEAST five times before deciding you don't like it. I didn't my first
  two times, now I can't live without it.

- Edu

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Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 00:17:31 +0000
From: Oddvar Lovaas <ceeol1@cee.hw.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Lod, DoD
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030205000741.02995ee0@mail-server-1.macs.hw.ac.uk>

> > long as they've removed some of the more slow parts in the middle (i.e. the
> > female soprano).
>Sensible decision, there. :)

well... I think it's a rather cool part, and could possibly be stunning if
performed live... however, it isn't an essential part of the song....

> > as the band actually is from my hometown (as is Blood Red Throne)
>What city?

Kristiansand, on the south tip of Norway. (although I now reside in the
city of Edinburgh)

Cheers,
Oddvar

NP: Porcupine Tree - In Absentia

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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:40 -0500
From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Dream Theater - Forbidden Dreams where to find it?
Message-ID: <006201c2ccb7$b438d4a0$0101a8c0@one>

I agree, pray tell what is this new specter?

> 6 discs???? what's on them??

I am Dave and Dave must go.
I good you bidnight.

-AdmiralDave
(admdave@qis.net)
http://www.bangarangband.com

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