YTSEJAM Digest 6441
Today's Topics:
1) Test - discard it
by Marcelo Muzilli <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
2) F3 tour
by "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@attbi.com>
3) Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com>
4) RE: H3
by "D C" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
5) RE: H3
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
6) Re: H3
by "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net>
7) RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
8) RE: Recommendations
by "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr>
9) RE: Recommendations
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
10) Re: Recommendations
by "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com>
11) Re: F3 tour
by Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org>
12) RE: Killing Hand
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
13) RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by Mira Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
14) RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org>
15) Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com>
16) Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net>
17) recomends
by "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com>
18) Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
19) Iced Earth/Ra
by "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com>
20) Re: H3
by Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com>
21) DT wallpaper
by WoodyTJ34@aol.com
22) Re: DT wallpaper
by "Brad Dixon" <brad@xyonic.com>
23) Re: DT wallpaper
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:31:28 -0200
From: Marcelo Muzilli <mmuzilli@ig.com.br>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Test - discard it
Message-ID: <200301231124.h0NBOtB06033@script.torchsong.com>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:58:18 -0500
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <pellaz@attbi.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: F3 tour
Message-ID: <3E2FD8DA.44E3@attbi.com>
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:28:28 -0600
> From: "Bruce Forst" <bforst@peoplepc.com>
> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
> Subject: forget G3
> Message-ID: <002f01c2c222$89aeb500$ccc50b3f@oemcomputer>
>
> Or F3 ... Ian Anderson, Zamfir, and... and.... Peter Pan?
Nope! Jumpin' John, from Ozric Tentacles :)
How 'bout the H3 tour (hammer-dulcimer), with Lisa Gerrard from Dead Can
Dance, and......uh.......... Well, okay, we'll make it a long solo
show. :)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh <andrew@acvox.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.50.0301230711530.77286-100000@samurai.ruin.org>
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> Platypus - Ice Cycles > Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane > Porcupine Tree - In absentia
I have these three and absolutely love them. In fact, In Absentia gets my best-of-2002 award, hands down.
You can't fail with Gordian Knot; their stuff is amazing in my book.
I haven't heard the other stuff, but I'd like to. So basically I'm going to go with the others who said just buy it all. :)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:30:49 -0500 From: "D C" <Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: H3 Message-ID: <BOEAJJBDNFPALMNMJONIAEMKCBAA.Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com>
>And what about H3.... Harmonica tour with John Popper from Blues >Traveler, Alanis, and uhh... ;)
How about Bob Dylan? :-)
But isn't Popper dead?
-Dan.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:11:13 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: H3 Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438900A12@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Oh man.. I haven't heard anything about John Popper's dead or alive status. If he IS dead, I'll feel pretty bad for bringing it up :/
-----Original Message----- From: D C [mailto:Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com]
>And what about H3.... Harmonica tour with John Popper from Blues >Traveler, Alanis, and uhh... ;)
How about Bob Dylan? :-)
But isn't Popper dead?
-Dan.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:35:15 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" <calfaro@yunque.net> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: H3 Message-ID: <000b01c2c2ec$a4f400c0$991e32c8@ROSCABOX>
AFAIK he isnt dead.. he even lost a LOT of weight (he had stomach surgery)
check it out
http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/b/Blues_Traveler/sq-popper_singi ng2-mtv.jpg
----- Original Message ----- From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: RE: H3
> Oh man.. I haven't heard anything about John Popper's dead or alive status. > If he IS dead, I'll feel pretty bad for bringing it up :/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: D C [mailto:Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com] > > >And what about H3.... Harmonica tour with John Popper from Blues > >Traveler, Alanis, and uhh... ;) > > How about Bob Dylan? :-) > > But isn't Popper dead? > > -Dan. >
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 07:50:43 -0600 From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com> To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC2438900A2B@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
Man.. I was a member of Columbia House for about 3 years and they had pretty decent prices on their cassettes and CDs, but the shipping and tax charges on each item you ordered was outrageous. That's where they stuck it to ya.
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
DAMN! late responses.... I just ordered mine through CDuniverse for 10.81... good price but with shipping it came out to like 15 bucks. Go figure....
----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Rosinski
> Holy moley GK2 came out? anyone get it yet? I'm gonna order it like right now :)
Order it from www.theendrecords.com too. They have it for $12 with free shipping. I just ordered mine late last week and will hopefully have it tomorrow.
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:01:52 -0400 From: "Alexis Ramos" <Aramos@vivienda.gobierno.pr> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Recommendations Message-ID: <757DAAB5CD7E934CBF86345BF0CD5DF755AAFA@mailserver.vivienda.local>
This would be my order of priority (of the ones I've heard, of course):
Planet X - Moon Babies Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane Gordian Knot - Emergent (haven't heard this one, but I can bet it's as good as the first) Platypus - Ice Cycles Porcupine Tree - In absentia Meshuggah - Nothing
And another thing... I recently got a copy of Andy West with Rama - Rama 1 and it's a very good cd. Mike Portnoy plays drums on 2 tracks, and does a pretty good job. I still think he doesn't have a jazz feel to his playing, which he needed more of on those tracks since the music inclines towards the fusion side, but I'm just going to have to live with that. What puzzles me is that this cd was released on Magna Carta, for whom Portnoy said he would never record again. So what's the deal?
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:35:47 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Recommendations Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPOEOFDHAA.hrivera@crp.org>
Alexis asked: What puzzles me is that this cd was released on Magna Carta, for whom Portnoy said he would never record again. So what's the deal?
Here's what Portnoy had to say about this on his messageboard: ---------------- Unfortunately, Andy West gave this release to Magna Carta *after* I did my tracks.... I asked him to remove my name from the credits which he and the label refused to do (for obvious reasons...) That is why I (and MP.COM and DT.NET and the DT fanzines) have not been promoting this CD.
It's a shame that Andy has had to suffer as a result of this because he is a cool guy, but I refuse to support MC any further (both financially and creatively)...
Download my 2 tracks off of KaZaa or another file sharing service as I did lay down some cool shit on these tracks...but I am personally trying to avoid those crooks at Magna Carta from making another single penny off of my name as I had to pay them **ALOT** of money in order to get my LDT DVD released for the fans....
MP ----------------
Also, Luis, you probably won't run into most of the proggier releases on your list at most music stores in the States. Most of those albums you listed rarely make it to regular shops here. You may be better off ordering them online - perhaps have them shipped to where you'll be staying.
joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:47:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandra O'Connell" <nocalc@yahoo.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Recommendations Message-ID: <20030123144751.66146.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com>
Colt:
Well, depending in where you are going in the US, you will have variable success at finding any of these discs in actual stores. I get most of my music online, and I live right near NYC.
But also partially I'm too lazy to drive into the city every time I want music :)
Anyway, out of your list, the only one I am familiar with is Pain of Salvation's Remedy Lane, and like others already have, I would *highly* recommend this disc. One of the best, if not the best, recent releases IMO. As a matter of fact, I actually brought that one in to work today... what a coincidence :)
Planet X also is pretty cool (I've heard a couple of songs but don't own any of their discs), although I can't comment on that album in particular.
Alex, who had the dubious pleasure of seeing a thermometer outside my house this morning read 0 degrees Fahrenheit. Brrr!
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric George <drizzt@sdf.lonestar.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: F3 tour Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.33.0301231719280.20427-100000@sdf.lonestar.org>
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Paul W. Cashman wrote:
> How 'bout the H3 tour (hammer-dulcimer), with Lisa Gerrard from Dead Can > Dance, and......uh.......... Well, okay, we'll make it a long solo > show. :) > I don't know about a 3rd person, but you can add Rich Mullins as your 2nd. Of course, he's been dead for a few years now (was thrown from a jeep in an auto accident), so it'll be a bit tough for him to join the tour. However, he was by far one of the most amazing songwriters, and hammer dulcimer players, i've ever seen & heard.
-eric
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:21:58 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Killing Hand Message-ID: <000c01c2c30c$50e16d90$0200a8c0@familymamad>
That's what I don't like. And I never said I like the version with CD singing, I just like the vocal melodies he wrote for it, as opposed to the modifications JLB has made in the 96' version and later ones.
Shai
-----Original Message----- From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com] On Behalf Of Peter Geerts Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Killing Hand
--- Kurt Hampton <kurt.hampton@juno.com> wrote: > Dunno about anyone else here, but I freakin LOVE the 1996 version > thats on the Hollow Years Jap single. The changes that were made (14 > minutes! and the way its sung a perfect.
Ah! Shows that my research could have been better... Didn't know about that version. Gonna have to find it somewhere...
By the way anybody got an opinion about the new Swedish band called Pagan's Mind? I read some raving reviews, but they weren't exactly from a prog point of view so...
Peter
NP (next purchase): Kamelot - Epica
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:00:33 +0200 From: Mira Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <000001c2c322$785d73d0$0200a8c0@familymamad>
Some might consider this blasphemy, but Remedy Lane actually dropped Awake from the head of my favorite albums list and I know consider it the most perfect album ever. Seriously. I mean it music-wise, lyric-wise and production-wise. The only flaw I find in it is that its mix is very dense. However, I can't imagine a different way to mix that album while preserving its awesome sound so I can't really say it's a flaw.
For those of you that still haven't listened to PoS: do yourself a favor and get a copy of Remedy Lane.
Shai
-----Original Message----- Luis Carlos Chavez L. Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:53 AM
Hello Jammers:
I will make a trip to the US in a week and I save some money to buy some good Prog or prog oriented CDs, and I was thinkin' about some, but to be honest, there are some bands that I never have hear before. Some bands are well reviewed in this list by you but I was thinkin' by myself in some titles like:
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:30:21 -0500 From: "HJ Rivera" <hrivera@crp.org> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <EGEIJAKNLNKPLAHMKAIPEEPDDHAA.hrivera@crp.org>
Shai said: >For those of you that still haven't listened to PoS: do yourself a favor >and get a copy of Remedy Lane.
Sorry, I can't let this one go. For those who still haven't heard it, SAMPLE it first. Trust me. POS is an interesting band, no doubt, but as some are prone to say, your mileage may vary. A few years ago I went out and bought every POS album available at the time and my ears/brain couldn't believe the abuse I put them through. To say the least, POS didn't appeal to me at all. I'd hate it to happen to anyone else. SAMPLE before you buy.
joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:55:46 -0800 From: "Dr. Mosh" <drkhoe@zero.corp.publichost.com> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <20030123135546.A21341@zero.corp.publichost.com>
I think POS is an extremely talented band... but I don't think their music excites like Awake... in fact, the music kind of puts me to sleep...
-The Doc
0. HJ Rivera <hrivera@crp.org> farted: > Shai said: > >For those of you that still haven't listened to PoS: do yourself a favor > >and get a copy of Remedy Lane. > > Sorry, I can't let this one go. For those who still haven't heard it, SAMPLE > it first. Trust me. POS is an interesting band, no doubt, but as some are > prone to say, your mileage may vary. A few years ago I went out and bought > every POS album available at the time and my ears/brain couldn't believe the > abuse I put them through. To say the least, POS didn't appeal to me at all. > I'd hate it to happen to anyone else. SAMPLE before you buy. > > joe
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:32:45 -0500 From: Craig Maloney <craig@ic.net> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <20030123223245.GH12211@ic.net>
* HJ Rivera (hrivera@crp.org) wrote: > I'd hate it to happen to anyone else. SAMPLE before you buy.
I can attest to this as well. One song on POS's "The Perfect Element" caught me, but the rest of the album was not anything I'd keep for any length of time. If you can, borrow POS from a friend and listen carefully.
Just my $.02 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig@ic.net) http://ic.net/~craig Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. -- Mark Twain
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:48:58 -0800 From: "TREVOR HOIT" <trevorhoit@attbi.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: recomends Message-ID: <002301c2c331$a3972280$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
I'd buy: Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane Porcupine Tree - In absentia Planet X - Moon Babies
with Flower Kings and Platypus next. Granted I haven't heard enough Opeth or Meshuggah to make an informed decision on them. CGT is nice. Just got GK from www.theendrecords.com , but haven't listened yet. Also got the new Artension, Stratovarious single and the new Jason Becker tribute. Trevor
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:23:05 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Recommendations from Ytsejammers Message-ID: <001401c2c336$62043b50$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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I think all PoS albums are worth a good listen. Perfect Element still is my fave, One Hour and Remedy Lane are sorta tied for second place, and in third is Entropia. Entropia is great, but is more busy and all over the place than their other, more organized albums. Now I'm waitin for perfect element part II... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mira Yallin To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: RE: Recommendations from Ytsejammers
Some might consider this blasphemy, but Remedy Lane actually dropped Awake from the head of my favorite albums list and I know consider it the most perfect album ever. Seriously. I mean it music-wise, lyric-wise and production-wise. The only flaw I find in it is that its mix is very dense. However, I can't imagine a different way to mix that album while preserving its awesome sound so I can't really say it's a flaw.
For those of you that still haven't listened to PoS: do yourself a favor and get a copy of Remedy Lane.
Shai
-----Original Message----- Luis Carlos Chavez L. Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:53 AM
Hello Jammers:
I will make a trip to the US in a week and I save some money to buy some good Prog or prog oriented CDs, and I was thinkin' about some, but to be honest, there are some bands that I never have hear before. Some bands are well reviewed in this list by you but I was thinkin' by myself in some titles like:
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:04:47 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" <newcombr@netdot.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Iced Earth/Ra Message-ID: <000901c2c344$99d10500$8bd227d1@newcombr.netdot.com>
According to the Iced Earth website www.icedearth.com , they have jumped ship and are now on SPV/Steamhammer records. This may be old news to some but I found it to be interesting. Jon Schaffer whines so much about not being a success in the States and then he signs with a label that isn't strong in the States . . .or at least not as strong as CenturyMedia. Whatever.
What is this Ra album you guys keep talking about? What does it sound like?
Thorin
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:57:02 -0600 From: Michael & Pamela Nazer <mnazer@pressenter.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: H3 Message-ID: <BA55F43D.3A72%mnazer@pressenter.com>
on 1/23/03 6:43 AM, D C at Iluvatar@twcny.rr.com wrote:
>> And what about H3.... Harmonica tour with John Popper from Blues >> Traveler, Alanis, and uhh... ;) > > How about Bob Dylan? :-) > > But isn't Popper dead? > > -Dan. > You guys must be thinking of Bobby Sheehan, Bass player for Blues Traveler, he passed away a few years ago.
Pam
-- If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning.--Catherine Aird
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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:05:12 EST From: WoodyTJ34@aol.com To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT wallpaper Message-ID: <1ed.813da.2b621578@aol.com>
Hey there, Does anyone know where to find some DT wallpaper?
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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:05:07 +1100 From: "Brad Dixon" <brad@xyonic.com> To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Subject: Re: DT wallpaper Message-ID: <001201c2b14a$fa44bbe0$0eba31d2@vic.optushome.com.au>
:)
----- Original Message ----- From: <WoodyTJ34@aol.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: DT wallpaper
> Hey there, > Does anyone know where to find some DT wallpaper? > >
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:06:26 -0500 From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca> To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT wallpaper Message-ID: <001501c2c366$58d7bf90$9b00a8c0@SHETZ>
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"This website www.dt-x.com is currently unavailable due to exceeded monthly traffic quota. Please visit again later." ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Dixon To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: Re: DT wallpaper
:)
----- Original Message ----- From: <WoodyTJ34@aol.com> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: DT wallpaper
> Hey there, > Does anyone know where to find some DT wallpaper? > >
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