YTSEJAM Digest 6721
Today's Topics:
1) Stating the Obvious ??
by DTimagesandwords@aol.com
2) Re: Stating the Obvious ??
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
3) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by "Robert Taylor" <rctaylor@illinoisalumni.org>
4) Re: Wankery
by Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
5) Re: Don't cross the crooked step
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
6) re: wankery
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
7) Re: wankery
by "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:02:32 EST
From: DTimagesandwords@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Stating the Obvious ??
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hey, this is quite likely stating the obvious, but doesn't mikey have some
really cool new fills on TOT ?? i always have to hear that one towards the end
of As I Am at LEAST a second time.
and how abouts james sounding really decent on a new cd ?? i want to hear
this stuff live. too bad i am cash poor to head to europe .... BTW, hasn't
this cd GROWN on people ???? how cool !!
living large here in beantown,
marky-mark
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:22:21 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Stating the Obvious ??
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I can't speak for everyone, as a matter of fact most of what you say I'm sure is not representative of many people, but yes I was particularly impressed with MP on TOT. I found in SFAM (which as he said, was due to improvisation and lack of composing time) and 6DoIT (no excuse to what I remember) that he was on, but that he wasn't doing anything too impressive. He hasn't pulled any metropolis style messed-up fills, or any 6:00 style one thousand different drum hitting, but he does sound like he put much more energy into it this time around.
----- Original Message -----
From: DTimagesandwords@aol.com
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: Stating the Obvious ??
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hey, this is quite likely stating the obvious, but doesn't mikey have some
really cool new fills on TOT ?? i always have to hear that one towards the end
of As I Am at LEAST a second time.
and how abouts james sounding really decent on a new cd ?? i want to hear
this stuff live. too bad i am cash poor to head to europe .... BTW, hasn't
this cd GROWN on people ???? how cool !!
living large here in beantown,
marky-mark
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:20:32 -0800
From: "Robert Taylor" <rctaylor@illinoisalumni.org>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
Message-ID: <7a3e01c3b495$6a339cc0$0a04010a@mail2world.com>
According to an online chat with MP, Honor Thy Father is about MP's
step-father, hence the line "don't cross the crooked step."
-Rob
NP: DT - ToT
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:06:39 -0500
From: "Rob P"
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: wankery
Message-ID:
I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
border
line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but
I
think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got
pissed
off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
cross
the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put
in
something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am going
to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I
guess.
[sigh]
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:51:17 -0500
From: Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Wankery
Message-ID: <20031127035117.GG17578@interzone.com>
>
>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:24:42 -0500
>From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
>Well I see a huge difference in wankery (which is most of the solos on ToT)
>and virtuosity. The solos are fast for the sake of being fast, as in showy.
> It used to be that the solos were complex but melodic and were a part of a
>journey. Metropolis is a good example. Now its all cut and paste. You'll
>have a solid theme and then BANG, superfast soloing to show off. Seems like
>that is metal to Dream Theater. Not to me. I've listened more and more to
>ToT and the problems are just getting more obvious. I don't know of one
>song that I can say I COMPLETELY like...let alone love. Very strange album
>for me. You want metal with some solid progressive playing...no
>wankery...get anything by Threshold. To me, they set the standard.
>
Well said Rob. I think that's one of my major problems with ToT
and with Dream Theater on the past 2 CDs. The solos have very little to
do with the rest of the song and in fact in general they seem to have
forgotten about theme and development. It's like they copied in a chunk
from an LTE song and pasted it into ToT. In comparison the solos from I&W
and other DT CDs work around strong themes which make the whole song (for
me) are much more enjoyable. I've already touched on the melodies so I
won't get into that again.
Steve
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:53:08 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
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ah... that makes more sense. MP sounds pretty pissed :S
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Taylor
To: Multiple recipients of list
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Don't cross the crooked step
According to an online chat with MP, Honor Thy Father is about MP's
step-father, hence the line "don't cross the crooked step."
-Rob
NP: DT - ToT
<-----Original Message----->
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:06:39 -0500
From: "Rob P"
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: wankery
Message-ID:
I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
border
line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but
I
think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got
pissed
off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
cross
the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put
in
something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am going
to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I
guess.
[sigh]
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:38:53 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: re: wankery
Message-ID: <LJEJLFCHDEEHAGCHOFPHGEBACBAA.painlessscream@yahoo.com>
I have a question for you......
Rob wrote:
>I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
>cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
border
>line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
>wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but I
>think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got pissed
>off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
cross
>the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put in
>something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
>year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am going
>to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I guess.
>[sigh]
Does your pussy hurt?
Purely curious, but you don't have to answer that.
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:12:27 -0500
From: "Dave Schott" <admdave@qis.net>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: wankery
Message-ID: <002801c3b53b$ecbdde70$0200a8c0@Two>
Shut the hell up, he is entitled to his opinion, and we don't need that kind
of talk here.
-Dave Schott (AdmiralDave)
admdave@qis.net
http://www.bangarangband.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: re: wankery
> I have a question for you......
>
> Rob wrote:
> >I don't. My definition of wankery stems from clowns like Yngwie, who I
> >cannot stand. When solos become silly, I lose interest. I think the
> border
> >line for JP's solos is the one on Erotomania. That one to me walks the
> >wankery line very dangerously. I know alot of folks probably love it but
I
> >think it is borderline. I threw ToT in yet again last night and got
pissed
> >off in the middle of Honour Thy Father and hit eject. The line "Don't
> cross
> >the crooked step" got me so friggin pissed off and I had enough. I put
in
> >something completely different. This CD isn't even in my top 20 for the
> >year. A disc with 4 decent tracks just doesn't cut it for me. I am
going
> >to file it and try to let it go. I cannot force myself to like it I
guess.
> >[sigh]
>
> Does your pussy hurt?
>
> Purely curious, but you don't have to answer that.
>
>
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