YTSEJAM Digest 6689
Today's Topics:
1) Re: squealy lead sound
by "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
2) Re: As I Am
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
3) Re: DT Contest song
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
4) Re: DT Contest song
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
5) Re: DT Contest song
by Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
6) Re: DT Contest song
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
7) RE: squealy lead sound
by Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
8) 100 cds you shouldn't own
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
9) Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
by Rick Audet <spine@electricrain.com>
10) Levin vs Myung & D-13
by "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
11) Re: AS I AM
by "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
12) Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
13) solar flare
by Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
14) ProgPower Haul & CDs for sale
by DTimagesandwords@aol.com
15) Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
by "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
16) RE: solar flare
by "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:56 -0500
From: "Ilia" <painlessscream@yahoo.com>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: squealy lead sound
Message-ID: <002d01c39d90$ff4577a0$1bb4030a@guest01>
You have a better suggestion for a keyboard solo in a metal song? Or would
you rather not have a keyboard solo in a metal song - which brings us back
to my original point, that Rudess may as well have walked off stage. He's a
great musician and that's a waste of talent... not to say that squealy lead
sounds make Metallica songs sound better or anything. It's more about note
choice anyway, and he'll outdo Hammett with one hand and Hetfield
with the other in that department.
Ilia
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:02:37 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: As I Am
Message-ID: <20031028220237.GA14679@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 06:25:30AM -0800, Ambassador Nelaskon wrote:
> Well, for my part, I can say that I thought SFAM was awesome, and I just didn't like 6DoIT that much because it sounded like they were just trying too hard to TRY to do something great. It didn't sound like it was really what they felt inside; just like "Wow, man ... we need to do this, and this ... and then what? Oh yeah, that."
>
> The tracks from 6D that I thought were really good were Blind Faith and The Great Debate. Unfortunately, Jordan had to go and play that '70s organ sound in BF, and his vocal chords in TGD just didn't sound full-bodied or right at all.
>
> Anyway, Jordan said on his site that he DOES play a lot on As I Am, it's just that he's playing crunchy distrorted stuff that we're not used to hearning from him.
Just went to have a look at Jordan's site, but apparently it's been
taken over by Rob Halford. Eek!
T
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:25:39 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
Message-ID: <04a601c39da2$6a6da820$9b00a8c0@mizz>
Sweetness... this link works now... getting all songs now :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
> ----- Original Message -----
> > That link didn't work for me. And the other "sample" links under
> > ~dtawake didn't either. Does anyone else have this MP3 available?
> >
> > Steve
>
> Bummer. :P
>
> Well, this server here has all the submissions that are available through
> MP3, but I was informed that it's not working this weekend, so give it a
try
> tommorrow!
>
> http://67.66.219.2/dtcontest/
>
>
> -cassiano
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:42:58 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
Message-ID: <053d01c39da4$d5f8de00$9b00a8c0@mizz>
Is it just me or is the first song by Penumbrae a jumble of DT riffs and a
few fun loving other riffs of popular songs and such. Cool song, but I don't
think they followed the contest thingy :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cassiano P. Barbosa" <cassi.b@uol.com.br>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
> ----- Original Message -----
> > That link didn't work for me. And the other "sample" links under
> > ~dtawake didn't either. Does anyone else have this MP3 available?
> >
> > Steve
>
> Bummer. :P
>
> Well, this server here has all the submissions that are available through
> MP3, but I was informed that it's not working this weekend, so give it a
try
> tommorrow!
>
> http://67.66.219.2/dtcontest/
>
>
> -cassiano
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:16:55 +0000
From: Antony Gelberg <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
Message-ID: <20031028231655.GB14993@brain.pulsesol.com>
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:40:09PM -0800, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> Is it just me or is the first song by Penumbrae a jumble of DT riffs and a
> few fun loving other riffs of popular songs and such. Cool song, but I don't
> think they followed the contest thingy :)
Cool song? My arse sounds better than that.
T
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:29:42 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
Message-ID: <054e01c39dab$5d174380$9b00a8c0@mizz>
Submit your arse then... I wanna hear it!
Seriously though... the contest only asked to reproduce the song. Those with
the patience to have done it may not have made something with great sound
quality (I know all too well the pains of recording without lots of money to
invest in equipment) should be commended for their efforts.
I for one think the song has a good overall sound. Instruments don't sound
that great, though. Above all, they tried. I just checked out the second
song, pretty cool too. Interesting guitar sound for some of the solos, or
maybe it's a keyboard...
The beginning of Met2k's Sound of Chaos reminds me of ACoS a bit... whoa,
then it becomes this riff I'd have to sit there and learn for hours :P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Gelberg" <antony@antgel.co.uk>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: DT Contest song
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 02:40:09PM -0800, Mike Shetzer wrote:
> > Is it just me or is the first song by Penumbrae a jumble of DT riffs and
a
> > few fun loving other riffs of popular songs and such. Cool song, but I
don't
> > think they followed the contest thingy :)
>
> Cool song? My arse sounds better than that.
>
> T
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:08:54 +1100
From: Niall Connaughton <ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE: squealy lead sound
Message-ID: <OPEJJAPFDGDMCLAHLLIMIEJHDBAA.ytsejam@bigpond.net.au>
Of course Rudess is a great musician, I just don't think his style of
soloing fits so well with "classic metal". When I say his style, I mean both
a combination of his usual lead sound and the actual notes he decides to
play. I'm sure keyboard solos could work well in classic metal songs, but I
don't think Jordan's keyboard solos work well in them.
I think his solos work in DT's metal, don't get me wrong. And I'm not saying
that DT shouldn't DTify any classic metal they're playing... but Jordan's
solos just never seemed to click on the boots of MoP I heard. We'll see if
things are different on the new album. If he is truly playing with with this
big distorted sound, it could well fit much better..
Niall
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]On Behalf Of
> Ilia
> Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 7:35 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: Re: squealy lead sound
>
>
> You have a better suggestion for a keyboard solo in a metal song?
> Or would
> you rather not have a keyboard solo in a metal song - which brings us back
> to my original point, that Rudess may as well have walked off
> stage. He's a
> great musician and that's a waste of talent... not to say that
> squealy lead
> sounds make Metallica songs sound better or anything. It's more
> about note
> choice anyway, and he'll outdo Hammett with one hand and Hetfield
> with the other in that department.
>
> Ilia
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:42:56 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>, "Freaks" <freaks@torchsong.com>,
Subject: 100 cds you shouldn't own
Message-ID: <001101c39ddf$81d69f20$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
100 cds you shouldn't
ownhttp://www.jaguaro.org/feature/archives/000007.html
I only have 14 of them, I know some of you have more!!!
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:47:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick Audet <spine@electricrain.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0310282245520.28000@zot.electricrain.com>
26! Go me!
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Trevor Hoit wrote:
> 100 cds you shouldn't own
>
> http://www.jaguaro.org/feature/archives/000007.html
>
> I only have 14 of them, I know some of you have more!!!
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:35:29 +0100
From: "Stephen Gervois" <sgervois@atmel.fr>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Levin vs Myung & D-13
Message-ID: <027201c39e10$c1451020$3cff9f0a@PCxxxx>
Lets say you can't beat someone who plays 24/7/365 ;)
Seriously IMO both Myung and Levin are complimentary bass power houses !
Can't wait for a "Bass wizardry" CD and DVD :p
ACBLF
PS : D-13 and counting.
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:47:28 -0500
From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: AS I AM
Message-ID: <Law15-F22jJuYW8iOqz00040835@hotmail.com>
If it is a good song, even a radio edit cannot hide that. Witness Pull Me
Under, Take The Time, Blind Faith, Misunderstood and Solitary Shell. All of
those still are obviously great songs even when edited and only get better
with more of them. As for Lie and the great ending, that's called the
Mirror Part 2. If they had edited out the Lie part, the Mirror would have
been amazing alone. At the moment, As I Am holds up nicely to Lie...that's
all I have. The argument that they edited out the cool stuff doesn't fly.
"You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." :)
I hope the rest of the album is more interesting, I am sure it will be
actually...
>From: Stan Tyszka <soculese@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
>Subject: Re: AS I AM
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:35:59 -0800 (PST)
>
> >
> >
> > I totally understand that the actual song is longer. The problem is
> > that
> > more of this song won't necessarily make it better. The real problem
> > I have
> > is that DT seems to rely far too much on "influences".
>
>So Playing styles and influences area bad thing? I am not so sure
>that is the case. I am a drummer myself. When people find that out
>they ask me what my band sounds like. I typically tell them it sounds
>like ______ and ______, with a little of ______. Typically bands have
>traces of other bands in them since people learn from others. I have
>some Mike'isms in my playing because 90 percent of the time if I am
>listening to music I am listening to something that he is playing.
>Does this make me an un-original drummer? Or am I just overly
>influenced by what I listen to?
>
> > This sounds like
> > Tool, this sounds like Radiohead, this sounds like Metallica. Sure in
> > the
> > end it is Dream Theater, I just prefer it to be more unique. "Images
> > And
> > Words", "Scenes From A Memory" are unique in their sound. They seem
> > to be
> > always trying to damn hard for something. When the ideas flow more
> > naturally, nothing seems forced (LTE, Scenes).
>
> >
> > I know the album will probably be decent but why settle?
>
>If the album was decent, it would not be released. Why settle? What
>are we settling for? Great music? Even on the bands weakest material
>they still write circles around almost every other band. Before you
>flame that last sentence notice the ALMOST in that sentence.
>
> > I wind up
> > preferring Porcupine Tree, Parallel Or 90 Degrees or even some old
> > Nektar
> > for some uniqueness. What I am struggling with is that "As I Am" is a
> > dud
> > the same way "Lie" was a dud. It has nothing to do with sound quality
> > or it
> > being an edit. A good song is a good song, a boring song is just
> > that. :)
> > Flame away. I am hoping that the rest of the album redeems this song
> > and
> > maybe we actually hear Jordan.
>
>Well, I guess you could say that no one is forcing you to listen to
>them, but since you are there must be something that is appealing. As
>far as Lie being a dud, I somehow don't understand that as it has one
>of the sweetest sounding solo sections in the end. Do you really think
>that the band would leave some of the more advanced sounding themes and
>passages in a radio edit? Not for release on american radio. How
>would that compete with boyband A and That annoying Spears Kid?
>Specifically listen to the Blind Faith Radio edit. There is a large
>chunk of that song that got lopped off to fit in a format suitable for
>most of the general listening public. The abum version was much more
>intense. Look at the video for Pull Me Under. Lost is a lot of
>development in the song as they needed to fit it in to a format. This
>song has a lot of power in just the radio edit. If you listen
>carefully, or re-Eq the song, you will hear Jordan in there. Did I
>like the radio edit? Yes. Do I believe it is indicatory of the rest
>of the CD? Not in a million years. November 11th will tell. The
>train is gearing up.
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > On another similar note, I'm intrigued that I didn't notice Jordan
> > being
> > completely inaudible in the entire radio edit...
>
>then I think that we were the only ones there that did, I heard him. I
>keep hearing others saying that he is not there. I also cannot
>understand why some would want the keys in there, especially if the
>possibility exists that it may not fit the song.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:23:58 -0500
> > From: "Rob P" <ytsejam2002@hotmail.com>
> > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
> > Subject: Re: AS I AM
> > Message-ID: <Law15-F31C81TbdkSmL00004d48@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I totally agree with Andrew. I guess that's what I am trying to say.
> > The
> > song doesn't sound like DT and quite honestly I don't think the SONG
> > is that
> > good. As I said, it has nothing to do with being an edit. I LOVE the
> > edits
> > of Blind Faith, Misunderstood and especially Solitary Shell!! Why?
> > Because
> > they are all good songs regardless of how you slice them. I am not
> > trying
> > to be difficult but DT need to be DT and not wear their influences so
> > blatantly. :)
>
>
>But that is who they are, that is typically what a band is. A bunch of
>guys who come together that sound like someone else and blend it
>together. When someone tells me about a new band I have never heard
>of, I typically tell them it sounds like a cross between ___ and ___
>and ___. Why is this such a huge deal. The Glass Prison had some
>influences in it, but none of the bands that influenced it could have
>ever pulled it off in the way that DT did it,
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:06:27 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
Message-ID: <001801c39e25$d877bc10$9b00a8c0@mizz>
Sweet... i only have 5 :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:42 AM
Subject: 100 cds you shouldn't own
>
>
> 100 cds you shouldn't
> ownhttp://www.jaguaro.org/feature/archives/000007.html
>
> I only have 14 of them, I know some of you have more!!!
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:33:36 -0500
From: Mike Shetzer <echo26@videotron.ca>
To: progressivemusicsociety@yahoogroups.com
Subject: solar flare
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Anyone living on Earth should be a little cautious today with electronic equipment as rumor has it a quite large solar flare is gonna be busting its way towards us today (something like noon EST). I for one will be signing off until tonight when I'm sure civilization isn't destroyed. :)
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:17:00 EST
From: DTimagesandwords@aol.com
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: ProgPower Haul & CDs for sale
Message-ID: <1a0.1c37ce79.2cd133ec@aol.com>
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OK, so it takes me a little bit to give proper listens and then document
them, but here goes on my haul from Prog Power.=A0
1)=A0 Pagans Mind "Celestial Entrance".=A0 This is cool stuff !!=A0 As alway
s, I
will promise to myself that "next year I will buy all of the bands' CDs BEFO
RE
the show" ....=A0 If critics will say that they sound too much like a DT clo
ne,
so what.
2)=A0 Crome Shift "Ripples in Time".=A0 At the risk of taking a Ken Golden
recommendation, I sprang (sprung ??) for this recommendation of his.=A0 Atta
boy Ken.=A0
This is a Rene Janssen band - he of Prog Power Europe fame - and this has
stayed in my CD changer since the festival.=A0 I think that it was described
to me
as being like a jacked up recent Fates (as opposed to earlier Fates).=A0 Pec
uliar
choice of wording but I think that it works !!
3).=A0 Poverty's No Crime "One in a Million".=A0 Ol' fans from Prog Power #1
will
remember these guys.=A0 When I saw them I was impressed.=A0 This CD is a lit
tle
more polished than the others and there is a certain same-ness to the sound
of
the songs but I like it.=A0 They cover Rush's "Distant Early Warning" and it
is
sooo cool to hear Rush songs without Geddy's singing although this cover is
blood-faithful to the original.=A0
4)=A0 Symmetry "Anguish".=A0 Symmetry was also a hot relatively unknown band
from
Prog Power #1, so I bought their new CD "Anguish".=A0 Uh oh.=A0 Silly me or
maybe
the beers doing the buying.=A0 This is really the band Anguish with their ne
w
CD "Symmetry".=A0 Oh jesus .....=A0 Anyhow, what a cool CD !!!!=A0 In the sa
me vein
as Prog or Power (ooops, dont want to start another 20 digests with THAT
....).=A0 One dead song, I forget which, but if you like Prog or Power - I
say get it
!!=A0
5)=A0 As with every happy story, there can be a dark side as well.=A0 I did
not
care for the Power of Omens CD "Rooms".=A0 Just too technical for me.=A0 Had
lunch
with David and he is a cool person but this is just a little too much for me
=A0
Maybe I am Beavus or Butthead in disguise.=A0 And I know, with a little
King-Tut beer gut and all my hair cut off, blah, blah, blah ...
6)=A0 Another slow horse was the CD "Echos" from Lacrimosa.=A0 A lesser pers
on
than Charlie of the UK would now chirp in and say that he told me so.=A0 Thi
s is
way out there.=A0 German vocals (I think), a lot of symphonic passages and i
ndeed
it is complex.=A0 This would probably be a good dessert island CD since it i
s
different and would provoke thought but I live on the mainland.=A0
7)=A0 Angra Live DVD "Rebirth World Tour".=A0 Well, after seeing Angra too m
any
times with Andre, there was simply no way that this poor new singer could ma
tch
him.=A0 I took the risk out of curiosity but no-dice.=A0 It is particularly
painful to hear him attempt "Make Believe".=A0 For me, some things from the
past
should stay on the shelf.=A0 High-quality video though.=A0
In summary, some great new music.=A0 I will sell either CD (#5 or #6) for US
$10
postpaid and the Angra DVD for US$12 postpaid.=A0 Or the whole package for
US$25 postpaid.=A0 First Class, not Priority.=A0
Cheers,
Mark-san
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:35:59 -0800
From: "Trevor Hoit" <trevorhoit@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
Message-ID: <004301c39e32$5afba320$f7a2eb0c@attbi.com>
steve know for sure, I think he uses amazon.co.jp or whatever the
japanese amazon site is...
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From: denesis1@juno.com
To: trevorhoit@comcast.net
Cc: ytsejam@torchsong.com ; freaks@torchsong.com ;
steve_kiner@misd.wednet.edu ; philb@corbis.com ;
marc.wunderlich@paccar.com ; kmerchant@tallygenicom.com ;
denesis1@juno.com ; davidm@w-link.net ; carpet8@mac.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: 100 cds you shouldn't own
Seeing the Flaming Lips "Soft Bulletin" album on there started to piss
me off, but then I remembered that it's all in good fun. 12 was my
final count....LOL Bitches Brew, guilty as charged, what's my sentence?
On another topic, do you, Steve or any of the other folks on this list
know where is the best source for miniaturized LP releases? The
Japanese Dark Side of the Moon was just a hair over $10 when I picked it
up in Taiwan, but most prices I've seen over here in the US are robbery,
in the $30-$50 range.
Thanks in advance,
Dennis
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:29:29 -0600
From: "Souter, Jan-Michael" <JSouter@healthaxis.com>
To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: RE: solar flare
Message-ID: <4642CF49B0BEB44386CA20BD34DC243801B65452@hhpech01.healthaxis.dom>
It supposedly will interfere with cell phone communications as well. We
love to kid this co-worker that constantly is in contact with his wife at
home throughout the day, everyday, on their cell phones. Told him that
he's just out of luck today.. guess ya had to be here.. high humor
for sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Shetzer [mailto:echo26@videotron.ca]
Anyone living on Earth should be a little cautious today with electronic
equipment as rumor has it a quite large solar flare is gonna be busting its
way towards us today (something like noon EST). I for one will be signing
off until tonight when I'm sure civilization isn't destroyed. :)
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