YTSEJAM digest 282

Date: Mon Dec 27 1993 - 16:21:00 EST

Live in Tokyo ( (Pat Daugherty))
Take The Time & LiT (Michael Burstin <>)
good boots? (hartman larry <>)
Re: Live in Tokyo (Martin A Hennemann <>)
DT FAQ new revision! (Michael Bahr <>)


Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 16:21 EST
From: (Pat Daugherty)
Subject: Live in Tokyo

I've been looking all over for this video. Where can I find it? Every
place I go doesn't have it. I went to Tower-nada. They said they would
order one and it would be 2-3 weeks, but they don't take your name. So
what am I supposed to do? Go down there every day and check?

--Pat Daugherty


Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 16:46:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <>
Subject: Take The Time & LiT

> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1993 01:25:11 -0500
> From: Martin A Hennemann <>
> Subject: Live in Tokyo!
> Just got the video for Xmas, and I LOVE it! It's great! I loved Portnoy's
> drum solo, and the way he had the crowd (which was VERY quiet! :( going
> through it.
> A couple notes. I thought that Wait for Sleep was AWESOME on the video.
> Sounded much better than on I&W, IMHO. However, I think Labrie kinda messed
> up on Take the Time (Live version) It seemed to me that he was screaming
> too much, and not singing it. But it was an awesome video! :)
> Merry Xmas to all you DTers!
> Chris
Actually, I think that this is one fo the best live versions of Take
The Time that I have heard. I think that the crowd sounds great
there. (This is my opinion, after hearing 6 other version of TTT live)

* I was told there's a miricle for each day that I try                 *
* I was told there's a new love that's born for each one that has died *
* I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid *
* I was told if you dream of the next world                            *
* You'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire                      *
*	Dream Theater	Metropolis (part 1)	Images and Words       *
*	Michael Burstin			     Brandeis University       *
*  Let's Go Pens   Let's Go Pens	 Lets Go Pens	 Let's Go Pens *
For info on Dream Theater, some Steven Wright jokes, the master list of
pickup lines, a revised history of the world, a few blond jokes: 
	finger >mikeb.finger.file


Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 23:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: hartman larry <> Subject: good boots?

I'll be going to a Record show on January 9th in Timunium, MD.

I have been to a record show at this place before and they had lots of boots and stuff.

What DT boots do you guys recommend? My friend has Dance of Eternity so I really don't need any comments on that one...

I know that there is Conciously Unreal, Images and Tour, etc... Which one would you pick?

Also, are their and boots that don't have names but just a date and place ie. Washington, July 92... or something like that? If so, what are good ones to look for?

I know that there are Dt video boots, which ones would be good? I think that they are also just names and dates to the title.

Thanks alot for you help and Happy New Year!!

Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!"


Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 23:42:29 -0500 From: Martin A Hennemann <> Subject: Re: Live in Tokyo

I got mine as a gift (my gf bought it from a video rental store). I also saw it in Cavages locally (in Niagara Falls) If I can find it here, you should be able to find it anywhere. Although these places only seem to stock 1 or 2 copies, I've always seen them. *shrug* Chris


Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 1:17:53 MST From: Michael Bahr <> Subject: DT FAQ new revision!

8< 8< 8< 8< 8< cut here ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ___ _ _ ___ _ ___ _ _ | \| >|_ /\ |\/| | |_||_ /\ | |_ | > _|_/| \|_/ \| | | | ||_/ \ | |_ | \ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ FAQ/Discography: Dream Theater (Current to 1/1/94) Compiled by: Jason Hough & Mike Bahr ( and ( Beta-tested by Michael Burstin and Randall Haskin (address below) Welcome to the official, spiced with Vindaloo, Dream Theater FAQ, presented by us and the members of the Ytsejam mailing list!

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I've shortened the credits section because of all the people who have been a part of it, but I wish to slight nobody; you ALL have helped a hell of a lot and a lot of kudos go to the people listed below. Many thanks to the following for their additions and corrections: > * Randall Haskin ( > * Brent Nuttall ( > * Dave ( > * Michael Burstin ( > * Todd Henson ( > * Bill Buckley ( > * Jennifer Albert (cc > * Lars "ORION" Karlsson () > * Tim ( > * Aaron ( > * Jeremy A. Smith ( Abbreviations you should know: ------------------------------ DT - Dream Theater WDADU - When Dream And Day Unite IAW - Images And Words LATM - Live At The Marquee LIT - Live in Tokyo (video) ACOS - A Change of Seasons YML - Ytsejam mailing list PMU - Pull Me Under TTT - Take The Time LTL - Learning To Live

CONTENTS -------- 0. New Questions/Frequently Changing Recent Information 1. Questions about the members of DT/DT History 2. Questions about DT performances/appearances/miscellany 3. Questions about the songs themselves 4. Brief discography 5. Extended discography

New Stuff --------- 0.1 What do we know about Dream Theater's new (third studio) album?

We know a few things. Here's what we've been able to glean from the band members:

* It's not yet titled. (soon as you hear info on this mail us FAST!) * It started recording in early December 1993. * (To Live) Forever and A Change of Seasons are slated for inclusion. * Their producer will be Terry Brown. Source: Metal Shop syndicated radio show * It's still on the Atlantic label, with a five-month budget. * No other pre-LaBrie songs will be re-done or re-recorded. * Bombay Vindaloo is not slated for inclusion. * It will not be the concept album that Moore and Portnoy keep putting off, that they really want to do "one of these days" * LaBrie will be the first DT vocalist with a hand in the songwriting process before production.

1. Questions about the members of DT ------------------------------------ 1.1 Who are the current members of Dream Theater? They are Kevin James LaBrie (vocals), John Petrucci (guitar), Michael Portnoy (drums), Kevin Moore (keyboards), and John Myung (bass). Petrucci, Moore, and Myung grew up together in New York. Portnoy joined them later when they caught him playing at a club. LaBrie joined them in late 1990. 1.2 Has anyone been a member of Dream Theater that is not in it now? Yes. Charlie Dominici was their vocalist from 1988 to 1989, approximately. He did the vocals on "When Dream And Day Unite" and on part of the bootleg "Consciously Unreal". Chris Collins was their vocalist before 1988 on the Majesty demos. 1.3 What are the Majesty demos? Before they were Dream Theater, they were Majesty. However, there was already a band called Majesty, so they could not release the demos. They wound up on bootlegs and evaluation tapes, and a list of known songs is in the extended discography in this file. 1.4 Who inspired the band members the most? In an interview, Mike Portnoy cited Neil Peart of Rush as his greatest influence and favourite drummer. His other influences include Terry Bozzio and Vinnie Colorata, but Portnoy says Peart was his drum "God" for years when Rush was all he listened to.

Petrucci has two groups of influences, he said in an interview. The Steves and the Als. The Steves are Steve Morse, Steve Howe, Steve Vai, and Stevie Ray Vaughan. The Als are Alex Lifeson, Al Dimeola, and Alan Holdsworth.

John Myung's bass idols are Steve Harris and Geddy Lee. Kevin Moore's ivory inspiration comes from Rick Wakeman, Jens Johansen, and Michelle Camillo, among others.

As a band, they are influenced most (according to Portnoy) by Rush, Queensryche, Yes, Marillion, Genesis, and Kansas. Those groups make a few appearances here in this FAQ forasmuch as they relate to DT.

Petrucci individually likes Pantera. 1.5 Andrea Held Leone and Ralph R. Dominici Sr. are mentioned in the liner notes to WDADU as the dedicants. What relation to the band are they? Anyone? 1.6 Marillion is thanked in the liners in IAW, whats the relation? Dream Theater opened for Marillion in New York (anyone have the exact date?). Mike Portnoy also said to me, "We're all really big fans. I really dig 'Misplaced Childhood'." 1.7 What is DT's address? Their mail address is PO BOX 166, Long Beach, NY, 11561. 1.8 What musical instrument sponsorships does DT have? Ibanez sponsors John Petrucci, and Tama Drums sponsors Mike Portnoy. His current drum kit was designed by Neil Peart in 1984 (see the Rush/Grace Under Pressure tourbook for more on this).

1.9 Is there a Dream Theater fan club?

Yes. Write to the address below: Dream Theater Fan Club Dept.A 11 Penn Plaza Suite 910 New York, NY 10001-2006

1.10 Why did Charlie Dominici leave DT?

According to Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci, he was released because of several things, but most importantly because he didn't fit in with the band in a few important ways. He was far older than the rest of them, had a different idea of what DT should be, and lacked ability as a frontman when performing live. There were apparently a few personality conflicts at work. The band and Dominici are not currently in contact with each other.

1.11 Why did Chris Collins leave Majesty/DT?

According to Petrucci, he just didn't have what it took. Apparently they had to record his vocals on the demos one sentence at a time and sometimes even less. Furthermore, he found he could not perform live adequately.

1.12 What was James LaBrie doing before he joined the band?

Kevin James LaBrie (they drop the Kevin because they would otherwise confuse him with Kevin Moore, and two Johns are already hard enough to deal with, says Petrucci) sang for a Canadian band by the name of Winter Rose. He was selected from among 20 auditions and over 200 tapes by DT during the making of IAW.

1.13 What does the "symbol" DT uses mean?

The "symbol" can be seen on the IAW disc, on the IAW cover on top of the bed, on the WDADU cover, etc. It is the letter "M" of "MAJESTY" in a stylized font, says Portnoy. It was once used by Mary Queen of Scots.

1.14 What does the burning heart symbolize?

According to Portnoy, it was Moore's idea and essentially a copy of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. The barbed wire represented obstacles and difficulties, the heart endurance and strength, and the fire their energy and passion.

1.15 Who thought up the name for the band?

Mike Portnoy's father Howard thought they should name it after the moviehouse near where they grew up. It was called The Dream Theater. Initially, they recorded a demo by that name, then named the band after it.

1.16 Where did DT go to school?

The Johns and Kevin Moore went to the Berklee (sic) school of music in Boston, MA, not Berkeley as has been erroneously mentioned on Berklee is a music-dedicated school that has produced the likes of Steve Vai and Chris DeGarmo. 2. Questions about DT performances/appearances/miscellany --------------------------------------------------------- 2.1 Who has toured with Dream Theater? Psychotic Waltz, the Galactic Cowboys, Saigon Kick, Meanstreak (with guitarist Rena Sands, Petrucci's wife) and others among a slew of local acts the band likes to use for openers. 2.2 What producers has Dream Theater worked with? Terry Date produced WDADU. Terry Brown (Broon), the producer who took Rush through their first eleven albums, produced the promotional discs from WDADU. David Prater produced IAW. Prater was the ex-drummer/producer of Santana. Doug Oeberkircher produced and mixed Live At The Marquee. According to Z-Rock Metal Shop, the syndicated weekly metal radio magazine, Terry Brown is producing DT's new album while Prater has been promoted.

2.3 What songs has Dream Theater made videos for? Pull Me Under, Take The Time, and Another Day. Another Day did not make MTV's playlist, even though DT felt it had the most MTV potential. Pull Me Under was shot live and has received the most airplay. Take The Time was shot as a video production, however the song had to be shortened a lot and many unexpected jumps in the song throw the video off pace. 2.4 What songs has Dream Theater played live? A better question would probably be which ones have they NOT played live, since they play just about all of them. First of all, anything from the Majesty demos from 1986 or 1987 has either not been played live, or has been played live rarely enough never to be recorded on any known release or bootleg. Beyond that, here are the songs that either don't get played live, or have never been recorded live at any known show. The Ones Who Help to Set The Sun (formerly "Death of Spock" in the Majesty/DT demo era) (this will be added to when they release another album no doubt) Here are a few songs that have ONLY been performed live, and never recorded in any studio (yet): A Change of Seasons (except it was demo'ed) Eve Bombay Vindaloo (which is actually an improv based off ACOS) Moon Bubbles Pup Freewill (a cover)

As well as numerous improvised "shorts" like 'barfbag' and 'trounce'. 2.5 Who plays the saxophone on "Another Day"? Jay Beckenstein of Spiro Gyra, who owned the studio where IAW was put to tape (Bear Trax).

2.6 Will DT ever release production versions of the old Majesty demos?

In some cases, they did just that (see the discog further on). Portnoy was asked about this, and said that while they might be fun to play live, it really wouldn't get the band anywhere to release new recordings of them. Since DT is concerned with moving forward, he said, it will likely not happen any more than it already has. Half the first album was production from the demos, but the remaining demos are "just too old." 3. Questions about the songs themselves --------------------------------------- 3.1 What is the header for "A Fortune In Lies?" As written by Petrucci, it is: "For the first time in a long time... everything was right in my world...and then I woke up. 3.2 What does "The Ytse' Jam" mean? YTSEJAM is MAJESTY written backwards, and it probably refers to their original band name in that ambiguous way instrumentals refer to things. 3.3 What is "The Killing Hand" about? John does not comment on it often, but Mike Portnoy opened up in an interview about why it was written and what he "thinks" it's about. In the interview Portnoy is very careful to remind the reader that he Could be all wrong, but that it's not likely. Petrucci wrote it as a sort of "Twilight Zone" story about war, in which he witnesses all these atrocities, and sees the names of the dead on a wall, and then realizes it's been him this whole time causing all the atrocities... then he sees his name on the wall, very Rod Serling-type of stuff. 3.4 Is "Afterlife" a Christian song? Is "Eve"? While the band admits Afterlife has Christian overtones, it is not a religious tune in the same spirit as the music of King's X or Parallax. Eve, the piano/guitar intro sequence used live for both Pull Me Under and Learning To Live at different times, includes a lot of voice samples including "Guide us on to our Lord Jesus, guide us home." Kevin Moore and John Myung are the more religious members of the band (compared to the secular Portnoy) and Moore wrote it, so while it is certainly not a Stryper-style preach jam, it can be classified as a Christian song. Mike indicated in an interview that Kevin Moore was aiming at that, but that (like in the Killing Hand case) he didn't write it himself so he couldn't guarantee the meaning was exactly right. 3.5 What is "Pull Me Under" about? The current explanation goes that it was inspired by Shakespeare's "Hamlet". Prince Hamlet swore vengeance on King Claudius for murdering his father, the former King, and then marrying his mother, still Queen. Hamlet's famous Soliloquy was the passage in which the conflict in Hamlet's mind is detailed, and the second verse of "Pull Me Under" coincides pretty thoroughly with it. The very end of the song James can be heard singing this line from Hamlet: "Oh that this too, too solid flesh would melt."

Furthermore, after seeing the video, in an interview, Portnoy said "Who the hell was that wolfman guy in the video anyway? We had written it based on something else entirely." Portnoy noted that while Moore did not write PMU about Hamlet specifically, he DID write PMU about what Hamlet was ABOUT. Same themes, ideas, etc.

Here's the no-brainer explanation: > Here's a post from YTSEJAM #42 that shows the Pull Me Under/Hamlet connection. > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 05:47:59 -0400 (EDT) > From: (Pete "Ender" Walsh) > Subject: Pull Me Under / Hamlet > > PULL ME UNDER > Images: Dream Theater > Words: Moore > > Lost in the sky > Clouds roll by and I roll with them > > KING CLAUDIUS [to Hamlet] How is it that the clouds still hang on you? > > Arrows fly > Seas increase and then fall again > > HAMLET To be, or not to be: that is the question: > Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer > The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, > Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, > And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; > [and so on...] > > This world is spinning around me > This world is spinning without me > Every day sends future to past > Every breath leaves one less to my last > > Watch the sparrow falling > Gives new meaning to it all > If not today nor yet tomorrow then some other day > > HAMLET Not a whit, we defy augury: there's a special > providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, > 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be > now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the > readiness is all: since no man has aught of what he > leaves, what is't to leave betimes? > > I'll take seven lives for one > > There are seven deaths in Hamlet. > > And then my only father's son > As sure as I did ever love him > I am not afraid > > Ghost I am thy father's spirit, > Doom'd for a certain term to walk the night, > And for the day confined to fast in fires, > Till the foul crimes done in my days of nature > Are burnt and purged away. But that I am forbid [etc...] > But this eternal blazon must not be > To ears of flesh and blood. List, list, O, list! > If thou didst ever thy dear father love-- > > HAMLET O God! > > Ghost Revenge his foul and most unnatural murder. > > HAMLET Murder! > > Ghost Murder most foul, as in the best it is; > But this most foul, strange and unnatural. > > HAMLET Haste me to know't, that I, with wings as swift > As meditation or the thoughts of love, > May sweep to my revenge. > - AND - > HAMLET Ay, so, God be wi' ye; > [Exeunt ROSENCRANTZ and GUILDENSTERN] > Now I am alone. > [...etc, etc...] > O, vengeance! > Why, what an ass am I! This is most brave, > That I, the son of a dear father murder'd, > [...etc, etc...] > > This world is spinning around me > The whole world keeps spinning around me > All life is future to past > Every breath leaves me one less to my last > > Pull me under Pull me under > Pull me under I'm not afraid > All that I feel in honor and spite > All I can do is set it right > > HAMLET Rest, rest, perturbed spirit! > > [They swear] > > So, gentlemen, > With all my love I do commend me to you: [etc.] > The time is out of joint: O cursed spite, > That ever I was born to set it right! > > - AND - > HAMLET [...] > When honour's at the stake. How stand I then, > That have a father kill'd, a mother stain'd, > Excitements of my reason and my blood, [etc.] > > Dust fills my eyes > Clouds roll by and I roll with them > Centuries cry > Orders fly and I fall again > > This world is spinning inside me > The whole world is spinning inside of me > Every day sends future to past > Every step brings me closer to my last > > Pull me under Pull me under > Pull me under I'm not afraid > Living my life too much in in the sun > Only until your will is done > > HAMLET Not so, my lord; I am too much i' the sun. > [in response to Claudius's comment on clouds, above.] > > Oh that this too > Too solid flesh > Would melt > > [Direct quote] > > HAMLET O, that this too too solid flesh would melt > Thaw and resolve itself into a dew! 3.6 What is "Another Day" about? We get help from the video here: it is about autism or some other form of psychological communicative disorder. There are a few theories being bounced around YML (and any that can be backed up will be included here) but they generally connect on the psychological meaning. 3.7 What is "Surrounded" about? During the IAW tour they dedicated the song to Arthur Ashe, the tennis player who died of AIDS. However, the song seems more about enlightenment (in several forms) than death. The fact that Ashe was the first African-American tennis player to succeed in the sport supports this hypothesis. 3.8 What story is "Metropolis part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper" based on? It is based on the story of two twins from the Iliad (? or is it the Odyssey?) who are telepathically linked. It has no relation to the movie "Metropolis". Petrucci wrote it as a sort of fantasy epic, inspired by the likes of, you guessed it, Yes and Rush. The story itself is original (the twins are named Miracle and Sleeper and do not appear in literature) but the story type was Homeric. 3.9 What is "Wait For Sleep" about? Who is the girl/woman in "Wait For Sleep"? Kevin Moore has said she was a friend of his who had a spiritual void and a hard time filling it, reaching for something to believe in. It dealt with her fears about belief and her grief over a loved one's death. His explanation is longer, but that about says it.

3.10 What is "Learning to Live" about? This has been the bigger topic of discussion on the YML because Myung has commented briefly on it and Portnoy has, while not wanting to confirm it, indicated that the premise is correct in an interview. Learning to Live was inspired by the AIDS epidemic. Patricularly, the "From a common fear ... reach for life" passage, but the rest fits very snugly with the AIDS theme. 3.11 What is a "Vindaloo"? A Bombay Vindaloo is a hot spicy herb/pepper served on Indian food, usually chicken. It is also taken after drinks. My guess is DT got blasted in Europe and got to try this most interesting spice.

3.12 What was the original title of "Surrounded"?

Promotional cassettes for Images And Words had Surrounded labeled as "The Longest Night" on the sleeve.

3.13 What is Take The Time about?

The band wrote this as a joint effort just before LaBrie joined them, so the meanings are many and esoteric. However, in an interview, Portnoy has said it is just what it implies. You'll find all you need in your mind if you take the time.

One of the YML subscribers had a very good correlation going on with part of TTT and J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. Since those parts of the song are heavy in the relation and the rest are not, it is safe to assume that only one of the four used a Tolkien influence in penning their part of the lyrics. The middle passage (Unbroken spirit, obscured in disquiet... must turn to hope) was the clincher. Mike Portnoy indicated that TTT is definitely NOT a concept song in the way that Pull Me Under is about what Hamlet is about (which is obvious) or Learning to Live is about AIDS (also rather clear), but that it has a spectrum of influence and that since Petrucci wrote the section in question, the influence could very well have been conceptual. Nobody has asked Mike if LotR is in there, though.

3.14 Where is the sampled voice in "A Fortune In Lies" from?

Mike Portnoy recorded it off a television documentary about the prison system.

3.15 What are the sampled passages at the beginning of "Take The Time"?

They are samples of Beastie Boys and Public Enemy and read as follows: "Hold it now (medium)" "Wait a minute (low)" "Come on (high pitch)" The middle voice is actually Frank Zappa. 3.16 What is being said in Italian in "Take the Time" and where is it from?

It's Italian for "Now that I'm blind, I can see much clearer." It was from the film "Cinema Paradiso" as the following: "Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu" It's Not a coincidence that LaBrie sings "I can see much clearer now I'm blind" right before the sample.

3.17 What are the lyrics to "Eve" and where are they from?

They are from "Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce. The "moo cow" part is from somewhere else, the "ivory tower" part from somewhere else still, and the "Our Father" part from the Lord's Prayer. The transcription is as follows.

[soft piano] Chapter One. Once upon a time, and a very good time it was, There was a moo cow coming along down the road. [instrumental] So He came Himself in weakness, not in power, And He sent thee, the creature, in His stead. With the creature's comeliness, and luster, Suited to our state. [brief break] And now, thy very face and form dear mother Speak to us of the eternal. Not like earthly beauty, dangerous to look upon; But like the morning star, which is thy heirloom, Bright, and musical, breathing purity, Telling of Heaven and its easing peace. [brief break] O harbinger of day! O light of the pilgrim! Lead us still, as thou hast led, In the dark night, across the bleak wilderness; Guide us on to our Lord Jesus; guide us home. [instrumental] "Tower of Ivory?" they used to say, "House of Gold?" "How could a woman be a tower of ivory or a house of gold?" [instrumental] Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name, Lead us not into temptation, and deliver us from evil. [fadeout]

This has been used live as an intro to both Pull Me Under (on the Dance of Eternity bootleg, which is also the most complete version) and Learning to Live (at any number of shows, including both Phoenix shows of March and May 1993, among others, and skips the Tower of Ivory part) The above is the composite transcription. At times, it has been performed without the voice samples altogether.

3.18 What is unique about the song "A Change of Seasons"?

Several things.

First of all, it's the only lyric work Mike Portnoy has ever done. (of course, it is not the only vocal work Mike has done... Mike had the dubious priviledge of singing the end of "Surrounded" after James walked off the stage at one of the England shows)

Second of all, it's the longest DT song at 20:42. It barely misses matching the longest Rush song on CD (2112, which is 20:47) and the longest Rush song on LP (2112, which was 21:12). This is a distinction because it's very rare to find bands comfortable with lengthy formats.

Third of all, it's the only song that had LaBrie singing in it that has ONLY been recorded live, as in, not for any album. The other four songs that hold the live distinction are instrumentals.

3.19 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon?

Yes. Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a melody, which is not quite a riff but is identical if juxtapositioned on a corresponding major/minor scale, and Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live also share a main riff. Thematically, none of the songs interconnect. Mike Portnoy has said that the music is written out before the lyrics are written and set to melody. It is possible (any interviews mention this?) that they were intended to be counterparts and that the relation was either scrapped or made more subtle. The PMU-TTT connection is not as direct as the WFS-LTL connection. The melody from PMU's "This World is spinning around me, this world is spinning without me" in a minor scale sung by LaBrie is reproduced at 4:18 of the TTT instrumental section in a major scale played by Petrucci. Thus, the remaining question is whether or not 16-note melodies are reproduced completely in coincidence on the same album by the same band.

3.20 Has anybody noticed the Another Song phenomenon?

Yes. DT has a knack, it would seem, for Another Song titles. Another Won (from the Majesty demos), Another Day (from Images And Words) and Another Hand (prologue to The Killing Hand live and on LATM) are the factors of this phenomenon. At this rate, the leadoff track from DT's next album will be called "Another Try" or something like that. Another Hand is mainly just a bridge intro to "The Killing Hand" but it's a titled segment just the same.

3.21 Who wrote "(To Live) Forever"?

John Petrucci.

3.22 What is "A Fortune In Lies" about?

According to Mike, it was about a friend of theirs who was busted for stealing, and the experience he gleaned from it.

3.23 Did the demos "Death of Spock" and "Cry For Freedom" ever go anywhere?

Yes. They became "The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun" and the leeward end of "A Change of Seasons". ------- LEGEND: LP - Record; CT - Cassette; CD - 5" Compact Disc; MD - 2.5" Mini Disc C3 - 3" Compact Disc - CS - Cassette Single; 2CD - Double CD set; V - Video 4. Brief discography ------------------ 4.1 OFFICIAL RELEASES: Majesty demos, 1986-89, Not produced. When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (All) LP, CT, CD Status Seeker, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (USA) CD Afterlife, 1989, MCA/Mechanix (USA) CD Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CT, CD, MD Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) LP, CT, CD Another Day/Status Seeker, 1993, WEA International (UK Only?) CS Another Day/Under A Glass Moon, 1993, Atlantic/ATCO (USA) CS Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Take The Time #2, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) CD Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) CD Live, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) CD Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) V 4.2 CONFIRMED BOOTLEGS A Fortune Pulled Under, 1992, LP (USA) Images & Tour!, 1993, CD (USA) Runes, 1993, CD (USA) The Dance Of Eternity, 1993, 2CD (Italy) Consciously Unreal, 1993, 2CD (Italy) Skyway of Nightmares, 1993, CD (Germany) Live in Long Island ptI, 1993, CD (USA) Live in Long Island ptII, 1993, CD (USA) Dimension Shift, 1993, CD (Unknown) Classics Live, 1993, CD (USA) (not detailed in section 5): various venue recordings including Washington, D.C.; Buffalo, NY; Sacramento, CA; Ogden, UT; Talahassee, FL; Terre Haute, IN; Tempe, AZ; El Paso, TX;

5. Extended discography ---------------------------------------- 5.1 The Majesty demos, 1986-89 (Not produced.) Members of the Band: John Petrucci (guitars) Mike Portnoy (drums) John Myung (bass) Kevin Moore (keys) Chris Collins (vocals) Before they were Dream Theater, they were Majesty. Included on their demo tapes are the following: -1986- -1987- Another Won 5:23 Afterlife Your Majesty 3:41 "Death of Spock" A Vision 11:13 The Ytse Jam (Majesty backwards) Two Far 5:15 The Killing Hand Vital Star 5:34 Cry for Freedom March of the Tyrant 5:21 -1988- A Late Summer Rain --> Mission Impossible Theme Schizophrenia Golden Slumbers

And the demos without a home: Heuristica Dream Theater (yes, it was a song before it was a band!) Metropolis part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper Don't Look Past Me (To Live) Forever O Holy Night

Anyone with a reliable source for these recordings, please contact me at the address above... I want to get them...

5.2 When Dream And Day Unite, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, Worldwide MCD42259/MCAD42259/D:QM-F:BM720 Members of the band: Vocals: Charlie Dominici Otherwise same

Side 1 - 1. A Fortune In Lies 5:10 2. Status Seeker 4:15 3. The Ytse Jam 5:43 4. The Killing Hand 8:40 I. The Observance II. Ancient Renewal III. The Stray Seed IV. Thorus V. Exodus Side 2 - 5. Light Fuse and Get Away 7:23 6. Afterlife 5:27 7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 8:04 8. Only a Matter of Time 6:35

5.3 Status Seeker, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, USA Promo CD single, mixed by Terry Brown (Rush)

1. Status Seeker (LP version) 4:15

5.4 Afterlife, 1989, MCA/Mechanix, USA Promo CD single, mixed by Terry Brown (Rush) 1. Afterlife (LP version) 5:27

5.5 Images & Words, 1992, Atlantic/ATCO, USA 7567-92148-2 A known variant exists on cassette with a promotional cover. Members of the band: Vocals: James LaBrie Otherwise same

Side 1 - 1. Pull Me Under 8:11 2. Another Day 4:22 3. Take The Time 8:21 4. Surrounded 5:28 Side 2 - 5. Metropolis Part I (The Miracle and the Sleeper) 9:30 6. Under a Glass Moon 7:02 7. Wait For Sleep 2:31 8. Learning to Live 11:30

5.6 Images & Words, 1993, Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) Need a catalog # (mine is a copy)

5.7 Another Day, 1993, WEA International, UK Only? Confirmation anyone? Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it) Cassette Single

Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22 Side 2 - Status Seeker (Live) 4:28

5.8 Another Day, 1991, Atlantic/ATCO, USA ATCO 4-98415 Cassette Single

Side 1 - Another Day (LP Version) 4:22 Side 2 - Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02

5.9 Pull Me Under, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5067 CD Single Two known variants exist missing one of the three tracks.

Pull Me Under (Edit) 4:39 Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48 Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11

5.10 Pull Me Under, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) Need a catalog # (submitted as entry, I don't own it) Video

Pull Me Under (MTV Edit) 4:48 Pull Me Under (LP Version) 8:11

5.11 Take The Time, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5069, 4949 CD Single Three known variants exist containing the same tracks, but in different packaging.

Take The Time (MTV Edit) 5:31 Take The Time (LP Version) 8:21

5.12 Another Day, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5077 CD Single

Another Day (LP Version) 4:21

5.13 Under A Glass Moon, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5080 CD Single

Under A Glass Moon (LP Version) 7:02

5.14 Surrounded, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5104 CD Single

Surrounded (LP Version) 5:29

5.15 Live At The Marquee, 1993, WEA International (Germany, Holland, UK) 7567-92286-2/CA 835 CD EP Recorded in London, England, UK, April 1993

Metropolis 9:36 A Fortune In Lies 5:10 Bombay Vindaloo 6:48 Surrounded 6:00 Another Hand/The Killing Hand 10:30 Pull Me Under 8:42

5.16 Live At The Marquee, 1993, MMG Inc. (Japan) ACM4-574 CD EP Identical to Germany/Holland/UK version Except: Substitute track: 4. Another Day 4:37

5.17 Live, 1993, ATCO Promotional (USA) PRCD 5340-2 CD Single 1. Pull Me Under (live) 8:42 2. Surrounded (live) 6:00 Both tracks taken from the EP "Live at the Marquee"

5.18 Images & Words Live In Tokyo, 1993, AVision ATCO (USA) 50537-3 Full-length video release (need times)

1. Arrival 0:31 2. Under A Glass Moon (live) 7:13 3. The making of Pull Me Under 3:03 4. Pull Me Under (video) 4:48 5. The making of Take The Time 2:15 6. Take The Time (video) 5:31 7. Kimonos and tapes that are too big 3:01 8. The condoms of Dream Theater 1:02 9. The interview 0:27 10. Wait For Sleep (live) --> 2:45 11. Surrounded (live) 5:54 12. The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo (live) 10:28 13. Balls and chunk are where it's at 0:51 14. Another Day (video) 4:29 15. (To Live) Forever/Free form instrumental (live) 12:05 16. A Fortune In Lies (live) 5:00 17. Mike crosses the Abbey Road 1:11 18. Pup/Take The Time (live) 10:32 19. Take The Time by Galactic Cowboys 0:29 20. Take The Time by Sebastian Bach 0:25 21. Breast signing 0:50 22. Pull Me Under (live) 8:29

BOOTLEGS -------------------------------------- 5.19 A Fortune Pulled Under (USA) 1992, LP Need a mfr. and catalog # (it was submitted) 1 LP Recorded in Paris, France, October 1992 Side 1 - Take The Time Afterlife The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo Only a Matter of Time Side 2 - Guitar Solo/A Fortune In Lies Under a Glass Moon Surrounded Pull Me Under

It is VERY likely that this is a regional title, possibly a boot taken from a radio show that has been reproduced by more than one bootleg manufacturer. This is because another boot, "Dimension Shift" is nearly identical to this one, and this one is next to impossible to find.

5.20 Images & Tour! (USA) 1993, CD (Big Red Records #48733-DT) 1 CD Recorded from soundboard evaluation tapes (unknowingly?) provided by the band itself. Sound quality excellent.

Dance of Eternity 9:46 (Metropolis mislabeled) A Fortune In Lies 5:02 -London Under a Glass Moon 7:15 -Tempe ?/Bombay Vindaloo (mislabeled?) 7:08 -Salt Lake City Waits For Sleep (mislabeled the "s" in Wait) 2:44 Surrounded 6:10 -Philadelphia Instrumental/Drum Solo 10:53 (Ytse Jam mislabeled) -Bonn (To Live) Forever 4:50 Guitar Solo 7:20 -Portland Pup/Take The Time (mislabeled?) 10:31 -Tokyo Pull Me Under 8:35 -London

*** Corrected: A Fortune In Lies is track #2, not Afterlife as previously noted. I finally got an original of this one and confirmed this. The vendor is Tracks In Wax, N. Central Ave, Phoenix, AZ. A whole show is not included; absent is Learning to Live and Another Hand/The Killing Hand.

5.21 Runes (USA) 1993, CD (The Camera's Ear Productions, #9103) 1 CD Recorded in Sacramento, CA, USA, no date given. Can be distinguished by lack of good bass in the first three tracks. (cuts right to song, no fade-in) Metropolis Under A Glass Moon (To Live) Forever Wait For Sleep Surrounded A Fortune In Lies Take The Time Pull Me Under Learning To Live (cuts off after last chord)

*** I need to know who is vending this.

5.22 The Dance of Eternity (Italy) 1993, 2CD (Why Not? Records WOT2014/15) 2 CD's - further notes above in description section Recorded at the Limelight, New York, March 4 1993 Disc 1 Metropolis, part 1 9.21 A Fortune In Lies 5.20 Under A Glass Moon 7.31 Surrounded 6.16 The Ytse Jam 9.46 (To Live) Forever 5.57 Take The Time 10.42 Disc 2 Eve/Pull Me Under 13.59 Another Day 6.39 Another Hand/The Killing Hand 8.20 A Change Of Seasons 20.04 Wait For Sleep 2.52 Learning To Live 13.14

*** Every importer/specialty shop I inquired at indicated they could obtain copies of this, so you should have no trouble.

5.23 Consciously Unreal (Italy) 1993, 2CD Classical Shots on CD Worldwide distribution by Robespierre, Srl, Italy CD #1 - CSCD009; CD #2 - CSCD010 Tracks 1-11 recorded in Milan, Italy on 5 April 1993. LaBrie on vocals. Tracks 12-16 recorded during the Dream & Day tour, Dominici vocals. Disc 1 Metropolis part I A Fortune In Lies Under A Glass Moon Surrounded The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo Another Day The Killing Hand Pull Me Under Take The Time

Disc 2 Wait For Sleep Learning To Live ----------------- Metropolis part I Afterlife (To Live) Forever The Ytse Jam The Killing Hand

5.24 Skyway of Nightmares (UK) 1993, CD Recorded at Augsbug Rockfabrik, 7 April 1993, Germany

Metropolis part I A Fortune In Lies Under a Glass Moon Surrounded The Ytse Jam Another Day Pull Me Under Take The Time Wait For Sleep Learning To Live

5.25 Live In Long Island: Home At Last Recorded at the Sparks Club, 4 October 1992 Deep Park, Long Island, NY (The humble place of origin of DT)

Part I Intro The Simpsons Metropolis Under A Glass Moon Only A Matter Of Time Surrounded Pull Me Under The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo Moon Bubbles Another Day Another Hand/The Killing Hand Part II Take The Time Wait For Sleep Learning To Live A Change of Seasons (and from the demos:) Another Won 5:23 Your Majesty 3:41 Two Far 5:15 March of the Tyrant 5:21

5.26 Dimension Shift Nothing known about this--seen in a magazine ad. Suspected to be the same boot as A Fortune Pulled Under. Metropolis Take The Time Status Seeker Afterlife Under A Glass Moon The Ytse Jam/Drum solo Only A Matter of Time Another Day A Fortune In Lies/guitar solo Surrounded Pull Me Under

5.27 Classics Live (1993 REBORN CLASSICS: RC1045) Recorded at Plus 5, Ft. Lauderdale, Sat. 5 1992 It has the same cover as LATM, with text 'Classics Live' instead of LATM

1. Under a Glass Moon 2. Only a Matter of Time 3. Surrounded 4. Pull me under 5. The Ytse Jam 6. Another Day 7. Another Hand/The Killing Hand 8. Take The Time Bonus track 9. Vital Star (from Majesty demos)

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