Contents:
How do I get the digest? (Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>)
DT in Acoustic Mode... (greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee))
Re: Double Riff (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
Re: DT in Acoustic Mode... (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
Re: Double Riff (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Double Riff (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re: Double Riff (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 273 (Craig Wyzik <craigw@umr.edu>)
Bombay Vindaloo (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: CDC List. (Dwayne Jarrell <JARRELLD%UORGSM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>)
Re: Reusable Riff ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
Re: Reusable Riff (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
Re: Reusable Riff (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Bombay Vindaloo (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Terry Brown, Miscellany (ROBNPAM@delphi.com)
Dance of Eternity (thenson@mason1.gmu.edu (Todd M Henson))
Re: Terry Brown, Miscellany (Steve Kaye <V114KF6R@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>)
Non-DT subject (April Nuhn <jaeger@Glue.umd.edu>)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 10:59:35 -0600
From: Eric David Persson <ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu>
Subject: How do I get the digest?
I've heard mention of the digest. How do I get it instead of 10-20 mails
every day. Seeing that I won't check my mail for a while over break,
I'd like to have some control over my mail when I come back.
(25 digests rather than 350 ytsejam emails)
That way I could more easily sift out emails from friends collegues (sp?).
Thanks In Advance
ERIC PERSSON ep9101@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu edp31119@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Dream Theater Rush Yes Hotei Tomoyasu BO0WY X(Japan) Queen
Extreme TMN Queensryche B'z Complex Kubota Toshinobu......
"Kimi no miru yume wo
Mamotte agetai kara
I'm Flying, I'm Flying into your Dream"
-Hotei Tomoyasu
(sig on the fly)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 11:38:55 -0500
From: greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee)
Subject: DT in Acoustic Mode...
I never mentioned this before, but has anyone else heard the acoustic
version of "Another Day"? When DT was in Toronto, they appeared on
the Q107 6 O'Clock Rock Report and talked about I&W and treated the
good listenership to an acoustic "Another Day". Well actually is was
only Petrucci and LaBrie that were there...Unfortuneatly I was listening
in my car and could not tape it! (Story of my life...)
Later!
Greg.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 13:12:27 -0500 (EST)
From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Subject: Re: Double Riff
Keep the double riff in the faq, since it's so noticable to some folks, and
therefore a probable frequently asked question, but make a note that the music
isn't really that close, it just kinda sounds that way for a moment.
Party on!
Aaron
ASILVERM@UMIAMI
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:01:46 -0500 (EST)
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: DT in Acoustic Mode...
> I never mentioned this before, but has anyone else heard the acoustic
> version of "Another Day"? When DT was in Toronto, they appeared on
> the Q107 6 O'Clock Rock Report and talked about I&W and treated the
> good listenership to an acoustic "Another Day". Well actually is was
> only Petrucci and LaBrie that were there...Unfortuneatly I was listening
> in my car and could not tape it! (Story of my life...)
They played the same version on 98Rock in Baltimore before the 2nd
Hammerjacks show.
Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
Dream Theater - Learning to Live
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 13:21:23 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Double Riff
>
> Keep the double riff in the faq, since it's so noticable to some folks, and
> therefore a probable frequently asked question, but make a note that the music
> isn't really that close, it just kinda sounds that way for a moment.
What would you guys think if I mentioned that it was a much looser
double than the one in WFS-LTL (which I hope you all have heard by now)...
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 14:34:39 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Double Riff
I've been on this list for several months and I've never seen a post about it.
Bill Bajzek
wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu
aq617@yfn.ysu.edu
ak808@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:51:47 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Double Riff
Excerpts from mail: 17-Dec-93 Re: Double Riff by ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami
> Keep the double riff in the faq, since it's so noticable to some folks, and
> therefore a probable frequently asked question, but make a note that
the music
> isn't really that close, it just kinda sounds that way for a moment.
>
Well, change it to "similar melody". What he's playing is closer to what
James is singing, and almost nothing like the guitar part.
Bill Bajzek
wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu
aq617@yfn.ysu.edu
ak808@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 14:54:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Craig Wyzik <craigw@umr.edu>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 273
unsubscribe ytsejam craigw@umr.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 16:08:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Bombay Vindaloo
Well, I read in yesterday's digest that Bombay Vindaloo was completely
improvised. Only problem is that they did do it at other shows, so it
was not brand new only for the LAtM show. I have a copy of Images and
Tour! which has BV from Salt Lake City. No idea about the date
though...
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 17:15:54 EDT From: Dwayne Jarrell <JARRELLD%UORGSM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Subject: Re: CDC List.
Hey Bill Bajzek - Do us all a favor and let us know what you are responding to!! (I am responding to the THREE posts with no reference today)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:22:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: Re: Reusable Riff
>from: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> >Subject: Double Riff > >I have two bitches about this being in the FAQ: > 1) Its not a main riff, as you say > 2) They are similar, but different. The notes are different, not just > because of the key, which is probably different, but in relation to > eachother. Look at this: > >Pull Me Under: > >-----2----------------3---------------4-------------------------2-0------ >------------------------3---------------5-4^5^4---------------------3---- >---4---4------------5-----5---------6-----------6-------2-0---4---------- >------------------5---------5-----6-------------------0------------------ >-2--------------3---------------4---------------------------------------- >----------------------------------------------------3--------------------
>Take The Time
>-4-2-----5^6-4----4-2---4-2----- >-----2---------4------2-----3--- >-------------------------------- >-------------------------------- >-------------------------------- >-------------------------------- > >Bill Bajzek
I got the impression that Michael Bahr was comparing the melody James SINGS in "Pull Me Under" (i.e. "This world is ...) to the riff John P. does at 4:18 in "Take the Time" rather than comparing guitar parts. So I tabbed James' melody, shifted up one whole step, and simplified it a bit (since vocal lines tend to involve slurs and grace notes):
Pull Me Under (This World is spinning around me...)
-4-2-----5-4-2----4-2---7-5-4-1-- -----2---------3------2---------- --------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- -------------------------------- These melodies are similar, but the big difference is that the "Pull Me Under" riff (as shifted up a whole step) is in the key of F# MINOR while that of "Take the Time" is in F# MAJOR.
That being said, I reach the same conclusion that Bill Bajzek does-these are two different riffs and not a deliberate quoting of one song from another like Learning to Live/Wait for Sleep.
Of course every time I hear that part now in "Take the Time", I think of "Pull Me Under". I never would have noticed it if Michael Bahr hadn't pointed it out because my ear is used to thinking of major and minor melodies as two separate things. Kind of a little shortcoming on my part and I have to thank Michael for helping me realize this.
---------------- Wolf Man
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 18:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Reusable Riff
Excerpts from mail: 17-Dec-93 Re: Reusable Riff by "james @bnr.ca > I got the impression that Michael Bahr was comparing the melody James SINGS in > "Pull Me Under" (i.e. "This world is ...) to the riff John P. does at 4:18 in > "Take the Time" rather than comparing guitar parts. So I tabbed James' > melody, shifted up one whole step, and simplified it a bit (since vocal lines > tend to involve slurs and grace notes):
Well, he says that "John plays the same lick in TTT"
Bill Bajzek wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu aq617@yfn.ysu.edu ak808@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 16:30:00 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Reusable Riff
I think the conclusion James and William have reached on the reusable riff matter is correct, or damn close to it. I'll update the FAQ accordingly. The fact that one was in a major scale and the other in a minor was what I hadn't relized. I know now what that is referring to.
The lick crossover between TTT and PMU is more than a coincidence, but less than the crossover between Wait/Learning.
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 16:31:53 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo
> > Well, I read in yesterday's digest that Bombay Vindaloo was completely > improvised. Only problem is that they did do it at other shows, so it > was not brand new only for the LAtM show. I have a copy of Images and > Tour! which has BV from Salt Lake City. No idea about the date > though...
Did you notice the BV on the SLC tape plays with a different acoustical feel and is half a minute shorter than the one on LATM? It is my suspicion that this boot used LATM as a naming reference.. whereas like Moon Bubbles, it's probably mostly improvisation.
The liner didn't give the date on those tapes unfortunately. Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 19:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBNPAM@delphi.com Subject: Terry Brown, Miscellany
Is Terry Brown *definitely* producing the next DT album? If so, should be interesting...he did a great job on the "Status Seeker" and "Afterlife" remixes. Who else has he produced since he stopped working with Rush? (Other than Fates Warning, of course.) Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> writes: > You never hear from the drummers of Queensryche or Galactic > Cowboys though... shame too. Monty is a blast to chat with heh I think you mean Alan...Monty's the bassist. :) Gravy Train <71234.342@CompuServe.COM> writes: > I also hear that the new King's X album is coming out in January > and is called _Dogman_....Ty Taylor wrote a song called "Dogman" > for the new album that was inspired by none other than Rush > Limbaugh. Release date is January 25th. Ty Tabor. There's a great song on the album called "Complain" where Rush Limbaugh is specifically mentioned by name. He seems to be on their minds a lot. :) -pjp *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Pamela Pociluk ROBNPAM@DELPHI.COM * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Tori Amos / Happy Rhodes / Kate Bush / King's X / Galactic Cowboys * * Marillion / Jellyfish / Dream Theater / Alice in Chains / Megadeth * *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 01:21:23 -0500 From: thenson@mason1.gmu.edu (Todd M Henson) Subject: Dance of Eternity
Anyone out there in the northern Virginia, D.C., Baltimore area know of any good sources for boots? I'm looking, initially anyway, for the Dance of Eternity boot, but if any others spark my interest....
Where do all of you find these things? Please, educate me! Oh yeah, and thanks for the advice, Mike.
-Todd thenson@mason1.gmu.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 04:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Kaye <V114KF6R@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> Subject: Re: Terry Brown, Miscellany
Is Terry Brown *definitely* producing the next DT album? If so, should be interesting...he did a great job on the "Status Seeker" and "Afterlife" remixes. Who else has he produced since he stopped working with Rush? (Other than Fates Warning, of course.) He produced Voivod's _Angel Rat_ from 1991, and mixed an album for (gasp!) Lizzie Borden in (I think) 1990 or so. steve
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) From: April Nuhn <jaeger@Glue.umd.edu> Subject: Non-DT subject
In leiu of the recent posts disagreeing with non-DT stuff in this mailing list, I'd just like to say that I have ONLY ONE QUESTION ABOUT
FATES WARNING
Can anyone give me info about it? [Mailing lists, fan clubs, etc]
(Incidently....Fates Warning is listed under "Special Thanks To:" on the inlay card of I&W)
Thanks in advance, won't post about them again, etc, etc, etc...
-April
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