YTSEJAM digest 272

From: ytsejam@bnf.com
Date: Wed Dec 15 1993 - 10:24:05 EST


Contents:
Re: Majesty (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
     Re: YTSEJAM digest 270 (Don Glover <STDG%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU>)
Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea... (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 268 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: thanks! (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Hamlet & Pull Me Under (nit picking) (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
LATM resolution with cdc (cmckenzi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Corey McKenzie))
Pull Me Under (live) ("backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
Petrucci Shank Correction (STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT - BAH HUMBUG <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Errors Live? Of COURSE (The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu>)
Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea... (William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>)
FAQ availability? (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
trade opportunity (Michael A. Daugherty <csc3mad@cabell.vcu.edu>)
Re: Warfield Show?? (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (DEAN'S CUP COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE <SCRIVANO_GAR@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
The silent one speaks!!!!!!!! (MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU)
 Re: Petrucci Shank ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
images (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
 Re-usable riff, Question Rephrased to Michael Bahr ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
Admin address (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
demos (Steve Kaye <V114KF6R@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>)
Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Bootleg trading (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: thanks! ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
randy haskins (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>)
Re: Majesty (p.terrell@genie.geis.com)
Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea... (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
 Re-usable riff ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
Posting the FAQ to News and ftp (Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com>)
Review of I&W on mtv.com ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Excellent Jazz CD Sampler for $4!!! (Headley Grange <wk05522@worldlink.com>)
Re: thanks! (ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE))
Live PMU on radio (pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty))
CDC List. (greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee))

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:24:05 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Majesty

> their logo after the tape was completed?) This cassette is *THE* Majesty
> demo; it was professionally recorded and distributed promotionally. The

        The thing being, there was already another band called Majesty. It
is therefore excluded from the possibility of a release...

> other demo material that has been talked about on this list and has
> circulated through trading by fans has also been referred to as "the Majesty
> demos", but all of those songs (instrumental versions of songs like
> Afterlife & Status Seeker, "Ressurrection Of Ernie", O Holy Night, etc.) are

        Quick note: "Death of Spock" is The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun.

> like "Majesty" was. Technically, those demos shouldn't necessarily be
> referred to as "Majesty demos", I suppose, although I'd be hard-pressed to
> come up with another name for them. :) Calling all of the pre-WD&DU
> bootlegged material "Majesty demos" could possibly confuse fans who also
> know that they made a professional tape called "Majesty" in 1986. Does
> anyone have any ideas pertaining to what they should be called?

        Well... only the ones in 1986 were actually Majesty demos. In 1987
they recorded the demo "Dream Theater" and then called themselves that, as
well as recording O Holy Night, Heuristica, etc. This is the one (of the
four) Majesty tapes none of us seems to have. The next one with Afterlife,
Killing Hand, Death of Spock (TOWHTSTS), Ytsejam, and Cry for Freedom
(which is actually the Killing Hand we would wind up hearing) is fairly
common, and the third (Mission Impossible, Golden Slumbers) is too. The
fourth of the 1987-forward demos just surfaced on the list... including a
cover of Dead or Alive, and others. Technically, those four are Dream
Theater demos, and the first one a Majesty demo.

Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:26:46 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

>
> I believe I saw the disc live in long island tonight when I went to a local
> import shop. It had a song from the original demos called only a matter of me

That would be the Washington DC bootleg. Did the setlist look like this?
        Metropolis part I
        Under a Glass Moon
        Only A Matter of Time
        Surrounded
        Pull Me Under
        The Ytse Jam
        Another Day
        The Killing Hand
        Take The time

> on it and not the other songs that were listed in the faq under live in long
> island part 2 (that's why I think I saw part 1). the rest of the songs were
> all songs off of their album images and words. Has anyone else seen this disc
> ? I know I'm not going crazy. The disc didn't say where it was recorded
> either. I would have bought it but I'm broke. later, Gary
> ps I found it funny after seeing the disc that in the faq it said where's the
> first part after the listing for part 2. If anyone has any more info about
> this please vax me. I'd be interested to find out exactly what's up.
>

Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 10:13:40 EST
From: Don Glover <STDG%MARIST@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 270

To all DT Subscribers...

I subbed to the list not long ago after discovering that it existed through
a *kind* post over on SiD(Screaming in Digital-Ryche List). I am quite
surprised by much of the content on this list, especially the interviews!
I am from Long Island and have been in and out of the DT scene since the
beginning and really feel that DT is one of the *best* Prog-Metal bands
out there today. If anybody else on this list, and I know there has to be,
is from the Island of Plenty(Cars,Shopping Malls,Snobs,etc.)8-). E-mail
me and let me know! I live not far from Kings Park, L.I., DT's orgin I believe.
I am right over in Huntington. See ya,

Don

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:28:30 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea...

> Why don't you post the newest version (and future versions) of the FAQ at
> some ftp site so that it's availble to anybody and everybody on the INTERNET. I recommend
> putting it on FTP.UWP.EDU. They have a huge archive of music files,
> discographies, pictures and interviews for a great many bands. AND
> FTP.UWP.EDU already has a Dream Theater directory!

        Well... I do. But they never move it from incoming into the Dream
theater directory in under a month! :) They have about ten revisions of my
discog just sitting in the .incoming area...

> I just say this because its a pain to get the entire FAQ off a mail
> message and it would be some much easier to just have it in a text
> file on some FTP site somewhere (hopefully FTP.UWP.EDU).
> Also it will advertise the Ytsejam Mailing list to other DT fans
> because there is instructions on how to join the Ytsejam Mailing
> List at the beginning of the FAQ.
> Oh, there's already a guitar transcription of Metrotroplis in the
> directory /pub/music/d/dreamtheater.
>
> Just my $.02 cent idea!

        And a good one at that... but one I found does not work too well..
posting it onthe newsgroups though, THAT gets response and exposure...
Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:33:37 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 268

>
> Please give me the cd clock times of the pmu ttt double riff. I dont
> hear one at all.

Listen at 4:18 of the Images and Words "Take The Time"...
you can practically sing along... This world is... spinning around me...
this world is... spinning without me...

Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:35:59 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: thanks!

> Have I somehow missed the postings of these interviews? I got one
> of M.P. back in April (I think), but that is all. Can someone email me
> about where to find it? THANKS!! BTW, why does it seem that all the
> interviews people mention are mainly from Mike? Do any of the other
> members talk. I know they don't sing. ;^)

        They just about never say anything. I have a 2-page interview with
Petrucci, a 3-pager with Moore,and at least 35 pages worth of Portnoy
interviews...
Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 8:37:01 MST
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: Hamlet & Pull Me Under (nit picking)

> There are 9 deaths in Hamlet. They are:
>
> Hamlet
> Ophelia
> Laertes
> Laertes Father (Cor???)

        Polonius.

> The King
> The Queen
> Rosencrantz
> Gildenstern
> Hamlet's Father (previous to onset, but detailed within)
>
> Hamlet is *responsible* for 7, hence the "I'll take seven lives for one."

Right.

Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 9:56:55 CST
From: cmckenzi@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Corey McKenzie)
Subject: LATM resolution with cdc

I posted earlier about a problem ordering LATM from CDC (holonet.net user cdc)
and wanted to offer up a semi-retraction since they did finally cancel the
order as requested. Just wanted to give a little credit where it was due.

Dream on!

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 20:06:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
Subject: Pull Me Under (live)

        I have heard it a couple of times (but not recently) on Rock 103FM in
Baltimore. I figured that they had the Live at the Marquee disk, because
it is the same version of the song that they played.

                                        Bradbury

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 13:02:11 -0500 (EST)
From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

> > I believe I saw the disc live in long island tonight when I went to a local
> > import shop. It had a song from the original demos called only a matter of me
>
> That would be the Washington DC bootleg. Did the setlist look like this?
> Metropolis part I
> Under a Glass Moon
> Only A Matter of Time
> Surrounded
> Pull Me Under
> The Ytse Jam

If the is the DC show, it would also have Moonbubbles here.

> Another Day
> The Killing Hand
> Take The time

Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight
smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life.
Dream Theater - Learning to Live

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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1993 21:29:53 -0500 (EST)
From: STUDENT GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT - BAH HUMBUG <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject: Petrucci Shank Correction

On the PULL ME UNDER/SURROUNDED promo disc it is at 0:28.

BUT

On the Live at the Marquee Disc it is at like 0:16.

Hope this corrects things.!

Long live the Petrucci Shank!

Tim

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 13:42:40 -0600 (CST)
From: The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Subject: Errors Live? Of COURSE

About all this with the 'shank':
I've got the promo CD, which has it. So I listened. I LOVE IT! It's a LIVE
recording, dammit!! If I wanted "recorded live in a studio with an audience of
2", I'd listen to "Genesis: The Way We Walk II: The Longs"!!!!!!!! (oh, gosh,
another non-DT ref!!:) I'd rather hear the error, than have them over-produce
it!

Rev

---
The Reverend "They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained"
 Fear the Information Revolution...for it has reached the hands of the strange.
               PGP 2.2 Public Key Block available upon request

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 15:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea...

It's just the intro of metropolis, right?

Bill Bajzek wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu aq617@yfn.ysu.edu ak808@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu

finger wb2a@andrew.cmu.edu for more information

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 15:21:56 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: FAQ availability?

Just thought that I would post this here about the FAQ after reading about putting it in FTP archieves. I am not sure what has to be done to put it there, but I would be willing to if nobody else wants to once I find out what has to be done. Another option that is being consideded is to also make it a listserv document. I know that some other lists managed by listserv have documents available that can be retrieved by writing the the request address (the same one that you use to subscribe and change into digest mode) and using the get <document_name> command. Is there any word on this??? I hope that this is some help for those of you who want copies in the future.... -- ************************************************************************ * I was told there's a miricle for each day that I try * * I was told there's a new love that's born for each one that has died * * I was told there'd be no one to call on when I feel alone and afraid * * I was told if you dream of the next world * * You'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire * * Dream Theater Metropolis (part 1) Images and Words * * Michael Burstin Brandeis University * ************************************************************************ * Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens * ************************************************************************ For info on Dream Theater, some Steven Write jokes, the master list of pickup lines, a revised history of the world, a few blond jokes: finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu >mikeb.finger.file

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 15:53:15 EST From: Michael A. Daugherty <csc3mad@cabell.vcu.edu> Subject: trade opportunity

I am in need of more DT stuff. I have the DT live at the marquee promo CD which I am willing to trade for copies of any DT stuff on tape. I have I&W and WDADU but Im looking for anything else they might have done, including the majesty demos. What I would prefer is a compilation tape with every song that is not on either I&W and WDADU or any song not done by the original singer of those songs, Dominici doing Metropolis, stuff like that. If anyone is willing to work out a trade I'd be willing to negotiate. I had no idea there were so many DT songs I did not have, I need more. Someone help me. +Michael Daugherty

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 13:09:06 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: Warfield Show??

I was there! I didn't get to stick around long enough to meet any of them though. Let me know about that video boot...

Zach

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 16:47:44 -0500 (EST) From: DEAN'S CUP COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE <SCRIVANO_GAR@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

the set list didn't really look like that, the disc had mostly (if not all) songs from I&W except for only a matter of me which from my understanding is one of their demos from when they were majesty. later, Gary

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 18:38:25 -0500 From: MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Subject: The silent one speaks!!!!!!!!

The new issue of Bass Player magazine (with Michael Mannring on the cover) has ashort interview with John Myung. And we all thought he didn't speak.

By the way, speaking of Petrucci shanks, there's a pretty good one about half way through 'Bombay Vindaloo' but who give a shit. He's still the man.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 15:21:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: Re: Petrucci Shank

Petrucci does flub the LATM "Pull Me Under" in the intro. At 0:28, he is picking from a C# (4th fret, 5th string) to a G (Open 3rd string) and he accidentally mutes the G string a bit so it doesn't ring as clear as it should.

There are some other minor mistakes on the album. Another one occurs in Metropolis. In the instrumental part of this song, the transition from the section where Kevin is playing fast dissonant runs over chromatic bass lines (7/8 time sig.) to the slower neo-classical section is kind of sloppy. John P. comes in a bit to early. By the way, I kind of like the fact that LATM has mistakes on it. It kind of validates the claim that this is actually a LIVE recording. Too many live recordings are touched up so much in the recording studio later on that to call the recording "live" is almost inaccurate. I get the feeling that Queensryche "Operation:Livecrime" is this way, unfortunately (because I like Queensryche so much).

------------------- Wolf Man

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 17:14:23 -0500 (EST) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: images

Could someone please make some DT gif images and upload them to the dream theater section at cs.uwp.edu or some place like that?

I would love to have a big flaming heart as my background on my SGI workstation!

Jason Hartman

Let me know if there are any other net sites that has some DT info besides cs.uwp.edu

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 15:01:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: Re-usable riff, Question Rephrased to Michael Bahr

Since the question I asked in my previous post has been answered by Michael Bahr, I guess I should rephrase it a bit. In particular, exactly where in the "Take the Time" instrumental section is the "Pull Me Under" riff used. I still don't hear it.

>From the new FAQ:

>3.19 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon? > > Yes. Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a main riff, and Wait >For Sleep and Learning to Live also share a main riff. Thematically, none >of the songs interconnect. Mike Portnoy has said that the music is written >out before the lyrics are written and set to melody. It is possible (any >interviews mention this?) that they were intended to be counterparts and >that the relation was either scrapped or made more subtle.

What parts of Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a riff? Right at this moment I keep running both songs through my head but am driving myself crazy because I can't find anything in common. Anyone care to point me in the right direction? It must not be as obvious as Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live.

-------------- Wolf Man

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 18:56:04 -0500 (EST) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Admin address

Hi,

Could somebody please post the administrator's address? I need to un-subscribe myself for winter break!

Thanks, Aaro ASILVERM@UMIAMI

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 19:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Kaye <V114KF6R@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu> Subject: demos

Hello, I am the one who posted about the Dream Theater/Majesty demos with Wanted Dead or Alive etc. on them. I have received a lot of requests for copies of this tape. I'd like to accommodate everyone who wrote to me, but for right now, if you have not heard from me through e-mail personally yet, I'd appreciate if you wrote back to me at the end of January (when I return to school) and we can work something out then. I'm just really busy in these last few days of the semester. Thanks a lot for your patience. Again, if we have already worked something out, you can expect a copy of them soon.

Steve Kaye

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 22:46:29 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Bootleg: live in long island part 1

> > the set list didn't really look like that, the disc had mostly (if not > all) songs from I&W except for only a matter of me which from my understanding > is one of their demos from when they were majesty. later, Gary >

Only a matter of Me huh... hmmm.. don't know of any Majesty demo by that name. Anyone? Anyone? I'm interested... Mike/garion@indirect.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 22:53:40 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Bootleg trading

Before you flame me for what seems to be a non-DT related post... hehe. Read the bit at the end. I'm a Rush fanatic but a DT diehard as well. I can post an offer for DT boots upon request, but I am closing in on rounding out my Rush collection, and since there is a LOT of crossover fandom between Rush and Dream Theater, I'm offering this for the list's perusal and refusal (or acceptance! hooray!)

--- Hello all! Just thought I would drop a notice regarding Rush bootlegs. As many of you know I will gladly trade bootleg tapes/copies with anybody. I just acquired two more (hence the reason for this posting). I still need any boot from the COS tour and any boot from the first 1974 tour. The Live At Electric Lady LP costs ~$200 around here!! :( Furthermore, I had the misfortune of losing my copy of Stellar Dynamics (FBN tour) to theft.

If anyone has a Presto tour boot it would be appreciated since my homemade boot of the Presto show in Phoenix is pretty sorry. Also, the AFTK tour boot I have is... well... lacking.

Anyway here's what I have in rank order of best sound quality. Note that some of these are not boots at all but video dubs (hi fi).

Rank Title From this tour Comments ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 A Show of Hands video Hold Your Fire near perfect sound 2 Grace Under Press. vid Grace Under Pressure another great one 3. Spirit of St. Louis Permanent Waves Clear and bright 4. La Villa Strangiato Permanent Waves identical to #3 but omits one track 5. Exit Stage Left video Moving Pictures sounds damn good 6. Over The Europe Roll The Bones double CD set 7. Temples of Syrinx 2112 almost same as ATWAS 8. New World Tour Nassau Signals good bass 9. A Right To Passage Hemispheres very clear 10. Through Any Window Power Windows lacks bass 11. Under the Desert Sun A Farewell to Kings lacks a LOT 12. Magic Users Presto lacks even more

Need: Live At Electric Lady Rush (or any other Rush 1974 tour boot) Stellar Dynamics Fly By Night (or any other FBN 1975 tour boot) Any Caress of Steel (you get the idea) Any A Farewell to Kings (just as long as it's better than mine) Any Presto (better than mine)

The two new ones have the following setlists: New World Tour: Digital Man/Subdivisions/Vital Signs/YYZ/Drum Solo/ Closer to the Heart/Chemistry/The Analog Kid/Broonsbane/ The Trees/New World Man/Limelight/The Camera's Eye/2112/ Xanadu/La Villa Strangiato/In The Mood Through Any Window: Spirit of Radio/Limelight/The Big Money/New World Man/ Subdivisions/Manhattan Project/Middletown Dreams/Witch Hunt/Red Sector A/Closer to the Heart/Marathon/The Trees/ Mystic Rhythms/Distant Early Warning/Territories/YYZ/ Red Lenses/Tom Sawyer/2112/Grand Designs/In The Mood

Maybe YOUR favourite song was only played live on those tours!! :) Take a look!

I also have bootleg Dream Theater, Queensryche, etc. Please let me know if you want to trade! Thanks all... - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - Mike/garion@indirect.com/Snow Dog of Prismatic Force Designs/sydest.com "Wave after wave, will flow with the tide, and bury the world as it does Tide after tide will flow and recede leaving life to go on as it was" -Rush "You'll find all you need in your mind if you take the time" -Dream Theater - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + - + -

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 22:09:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Re: thanks!

> They just about never say anything. I have a 2-page interview with > Petrucci, a 3-pager with Moore,and at least 35 pages worth of Portnoy > interviews...

I think John Myung's sole contribution to the world of spoken voice is...... "I feel kinda spooky." :) (From the LiT vid.)

Unwritten rule of rock bands: when in doubt, always talk to the drummer. Being drummers, they always have to be moving something, and jaws work just as well as hands and feet. :) (Portnoy, Ulrich, Peart, uh... Dave Re (hi Dave).... hehe)

-- Paul W. Cashman | Before the leaves have fallen vanyel@crl.com | Before we lock the doors Dream Theater -------> | There must be the third and last dance "Metropolis Pt 1" | ...This one will last forever...

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 01:13:50 -0500 (EST) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: randy haskins

Sorry to post this in the digest but I was told to contact Randy Haskin about some Dream Theater info.,

Could you please send me your address?

Thank you.

Jason Hartman

lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 05:55:00 BST From: p.terrell@genie.geis.com Subject: Re: Majesty

>fourth of the 1987-forward demos just surfaced on the list... including a >cover of Dead or Alive, and others. Technically, those four are Dream That cover of Dead or Alive, according to John Petrucci, was basically just him goofing around with a drum machine, so I don't think that that makes it a Dream Theater demo in the same sense that those other songs are. It was just something he did for a laugh and he never intended for it to go any farther than his own hands. When I asked him about it, he was *quite* embarassed that I even knew about it and seemed a bit upset that it was circulating among fans. The vocals on that track came later and were provided not by John, BTW, but by Kevin Moore(!), or so John claims. Maybe John is just too embarassed to admit that he did it. ;) It is pretty silly, but great fun to listen to! :) Jennifer Albert

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 22:41:46 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Great FAQ but I have an idea...

> > It's just the intro of metropolis, right?

Non-quoting hell! WHAT's just the intro again?? :) Mike

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 14:39:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: Re-usable riff

>From the new FAQ:

>3.19 Has anybody noticed the re-usable riff phenomenon? > > Yes. Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a main riff, and Wait >For Sleep and Learning to Live also share a main riff. Thematically, none >of the songs interconnect. Mike Portnoy has said that the music is written >out before the lyrics are written and set to melody. It is possible (any >interviews mention this?) that they were intended to be counterparts and >that the relation was either scrapped or made more subtle.

What parts of Pull Me Under and Take The Time share a riff? Right at this moment I keep running both songs through my head but am driving myself crazy because I can't find anything in common. Anyone care to point me in the right direction? It must not be as obvious as Wait For Sleep and Learning to Live.

-------------- Wolf Man

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 23:10:08 -0800 From: Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com> Subject: Posting the FAQ to News and ftp

I will be making the FAQ availiable via FTP next week, and also setting up an auto-post to all of the applicable newsgroups.

The FAQ will also be availiable from bnf.com's archive server.

More info to come!

Your humble ytsejam-owner....

Jason

-- ------------------------------------------- jason@jester.cts.com / Nextmail preferred "I'm ashes on the water now, Somewhere far away..." - Marillion -------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 02:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Review of I&W on mtv.com

If anyone's interested, Adam Curry has finally posted my I&W review on his Internet site. FTP to mtv.com, login as anonymous, etc. It's in the reviews directory. File is album.images-and-words.txt. My biggest problem was trying to project even a modicum of objectivity. hehehe

No sign yet of my LatM review, but I gather it takes a bit of work to convert textfiles there to the WWW format ( .html). Maybe it will appear tomorrow. :)

-- Paul W. Cashman | Before the leaves have fallen vanyel@crl.com | Before we lock the doors Dream Theater -------> | There must be the third and last dance "Metropolis Pt 1" | ...This one will last forever...

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 09:34:24 -0500 From: Headley Grange <wk05522@worldlink.com> Subject: Excellent Jazz CD Sampler for $4!!!

DMP's 20-BIT ALL-DIGITAL JAZZ COLLECTION

The current worldwide renaissance in jazz is partly due to the activities of a number of small labels. They have kept the beat going even in lean times by presenting new technology as well as new trends and new talent. One of these dedicated jazz labels is DMP who has made available for $4.00 a brilliant sampler CD featuring over fifty minutes of music from the best of their outstanding catalog. To get your copy, all you have to do is send your name and address (and tell us where you saw this message) with a check or money order payable to DMP for $4.00. Send to:

DMP PO Box 15835, Park Square Station Stamford, CT 06901-0835

Offer expires January 15th, 1994. Send $6.00 for orders outside the U.S.

DMP was the first jazz label to sell compact discs when that technology was introduced twelve years ago. Remaining on the cutting edge of digital technology, DMP is the first jazz label to utilize a 20-bit recording system, which creates a compact disc with an even wider dynamic range, higher resolution, and lower distortion than conventional 16-bit recorders.

Although the company has acquired the reputation of an "audiophile label," technology is only a means to an end for DMP president and co-founder, Tom Jung who has been nominated for two Grammy Awards as "Best Engineer". "The music is the most important thing by far" he says. "My goal, through audiophile techniques, is to make the technology disappear, to make the listeners so unaware of the production process that they focus only on the music."

Performers who have been prominent in DMP's catalog of over 60 titles include guitarist Chuck Loeb, saxophonist Bob Mintzer, pianist Warren Bernhardt (currently on tour with Steely Dan), and the Dolphins with Dan Brubeck (son of Dave Brubeck). All are represented on the sampler, along with Jay Anderson (with Randy Brecker on trumpet), The Robert Hohner Percussion Ensemble (world music), The Vivino Brothers Band (with legendary organist Al Kooper), David Charles & David Friedman, and The Bob Smith Band.

Although they may not all be big names, these artists have "big-name talent."

(Note: As a friend and a BIG FAN of DMP I offered to introduce them to cyberspace. When I got this sampler I was floored over the quality of the music and was compelled to share this great find with other music lovers-- hope you have the same experience I did!)

Happy holidays,

HG

P.S. If you plan to order the sampler or have any questions/comments about this offer, please tell me where you saw this message and send your name and e-mail address to:

wk05522@worldlink.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 09:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE) Subject: Re: thanks!

> Unwritten rule of rock bands: when in doubt, always talk to the > drummer. Being drummers, they always have to be moving something, and > jaws work just as well as hands and feet. :) (Portnoy, Ulrich, > Peart, uh... Dave Re (hi Dave).... hehe)

Heh heh. I bet you think you're funny, eh, Cahsman??? :) At least I'm grouped in with three drummers who have some recognition and get some respect, right??? :) Oh, and don't forget, keyboards work pretty well, too!!!!

-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Huh huh. You want cash, or should we go spank the monkey again? Huh Huh." "Beating heads on the Early Warning soul train..........." "Huh huh. He's fallen, and he can't get it up. Huh huh..."

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 93 09:50 EST From: pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty) Subject: Live PMU on radio

Well about the live Pull Me Under being on radio. I heard the live song a couple of months ago on the last pirate radio which was a national show. So the live song has been heard nationwide on the radio.

--Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 09:37:48 -0500 From: greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) Subject: CDC List.

I recently checked out the CDC list for When Dream and Day Unite. There are 3 listed - one as an ALEX, a PHANTOM and an IMPORT. DOes anyone know what the difference is...I couldn't get a track listing.

Later!

Greg. greg@canisc.ibm.com

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