YTSEJAM Digest 479
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 478
by "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
2) Zebra
by "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 477
by "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
4) Re: Hotel Cal??
by Mozo21@aol.com
5) Re: Petrucci at clinic
by StmpyJCat@aol.com
6) NOT A FLAME
by MikeP81576@aol.com
7) Re: Zebra
by "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
8) Shawn Lane
by "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
9) Re: Hotel Cal?? and Morse live
by "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
10) DJ Question: who do I talk to?
by The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu>
11) Re: Zebra
by Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 22:55:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 478
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408062259.A9686-0100000@ouray>
"Hey... there were a great many composers such as Bach who couldn't
improvise...
-The Doc"
Incorrect. If you know anything about music history, then you'd know
this is far from the case. In the baroque period, improvization was
standard, a practice that got lost in the classical period (mozart,
beethoven, etc. In fact, Beethoven was one of the first to completely
write out cadenzas.)
Keyboard players did not have written out parts, but instead played to
'figured bass' notation and had to basically improvize their own parts.
Bach was also incredibly prolific, and could come up with lots of stuff
on the spot.
Alan
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Alan Mallery |
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 23:00:31 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Zebra
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408062240.B9686-0100000@ouray>
Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that
have progressive influences, does anyone listen to Zebra?
Currently just their first studio album (with the great song "Who's
Behind the Door") and live album are available on CD. The live disc is a
great introduction, which has most of their best tunes along with a cover
of Zep's "The Ocean". Singer/Guitar player Randy Jackson sings
frequently in a Plant-like falsetto. The also use some keyboards to get
some lushness which is absent from many other hard rock type groups.
Just wondering if anyone else likes them...
Alan
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Alan Mallery |
(ajmaller@ouray.denver.colorado.edu) | (insert quote here)
(Emerson@aol.com) |
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Topic No. 3
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 22:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 477
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9408062212.A8371-0100000@soleil>
On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Ken Higginson wrote:
> Lets not forget that when DT writes songs, they start by jamming or
> improvising... Perhaps John Petrucci is used to playing with musiaicns
> who posess greater skill than those found at a guitar clinic...
Oh, please. You simply cannot imagine the caliber of players we're
talking about here. NGSW is no ordinary Mom&Pop guitar clinic -- they are
able to get the best musicians in the world to come and teach, and that's
what they do. I chose them over summer programs offered by GIT, Berklee,
AIM, and MusicTech, among others. No, blaming it on the people John was
playing with is lame.
Jim Studnicki
studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida, USA
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 00:16:11 EDT
From: Mozo21@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Hotel Cal??
Message-ID: <9408070016.tn735270@aol.com>
>>Someone told me the solo to "Hotel
>>California" was improvised.
You mean Walsh and Felder improvised in harmony?? Now that IS god-like.
Anyway, I don't think MatMiz was saying that people who improvise suck, he
was just saying that it doesn't matter to him that JP can't improvise. I&W is
the same album whether he knows how to improvise or doesn't.
Personally, I would love to see DT branch out more live with some free-form
stuff (not true improv, but still interesting).
The trouble I have with players such as Steve Morse is that they are so
fucking incredible live, that I can't listen to their studio stuff. Every
song is ten times better live. That's not a knock on their studio stuff, just
high praise of their live playing talents. Morse is always amazing live.
Andy
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Topic No. 5
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 03:46:32 EDT
From: StmpyJCat@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Petrucci at clinic
Message-ID: <9408070346.tn739014@aol.com>
James Studnicki (HON) writes:
"Check out Steve Morse, Eric Johnson and (!!!) Shawn Lane."
Shawn Lane IS GOD!!!
If some of you don't know about him you have two choices:
A. You will be drawn and quartered for your utter ignorance or
B. You must scour, dig, and search for "Powers of Ten" (Warner
Bros.) and it must become the start of indoctrination to the
way of 'Shawn.' He KILLS!!!!
'Nuff said!
StmpyJCat
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Topic No. 6
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 94 08:57:49 EDT
From: MikeP81576@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: NOT A FLAME
Message-ID: <9408070857.tn740567@aol.com>
THIS IS NOT A FLAME. But.....
Mr. Studnicki, Steve Morse did not write Metropolis.
Al DiMeola did not write Metropolis.
And Andy Timmons did not write Metropolis.
Neither did any of the 15-year-olds playing Petrucci 'note for note and up to
speed'.
The measure of a great musician is not only who can play it, but WHO WROTE
IT.
As long as he (Petrucci) can blow the barn doors off, I don't care if he can
noodle around over 12-bar blues.
Mike
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Topic No. 7
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:00:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Zebra
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9408071116.A8964-0100000@soleil>
On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Alan J. Mallery wrote:
> Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that
> have progressive influences, does anyone listen to Zebra?
>
> Currently just their first studio album (with the great song "Who's
> Behind the Door") and live album are available on CD. The live disc is a
> great introduction, which has most of their best tunes along with a cover
> of Zep's "The Ocean". Singer/Guitar player Randy Jackson sings
> frequently in a Plant-like falsetto. The also use some keyboards to get
> some lushness which is absent from many other hard rock type groups.
>
> Just wondering if anyone else likes them...
Haven't heard them -- is this the same Randy Jackson of the one-man MIDI
band fame who endorses that guitar/keyboard instrument they call The
Key? I'd like to check that out.
Jim Studnicki
studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida, USA
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Topic No. 8
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Shawn Lane
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9408071125.B8964-0100000@soleil>
On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 StmpyJCat@aol.com wrote:
> Shawn Lane IS GOD!!!
>
> If some of you don't know about him you have two choices:
(stuff deleted concerning various acts of bodily torture and mind control)
> 'Nuff said!
>
> StmpyJCat
Oh boy oh boy, if you liked the original "Powers of Ten" CD then do I
have a bargain for you. The lads at Warner Bros' have just re-released
"Powers of Ten" with Andy Johns producing. Same songs in a different
order, except it now has real drums (gee, do I sense a trend or what!?!),
a lot of the keyboard parts have been changed, and Shawn has re-cut all
of the solos. Sounds impossible, but his solos are better than before.
Definitely check it out.
Jim Studnicki
studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida, USA
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Topic No. 9
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "James Studnicki (HON)" <studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Hotel Cal?? and Morse live
Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9408071158.D8964-0100000@soleil>
On Sun, 7 Aug 1994 Mozo21@aol.com wrote:
> >>Someone told me the solo to "Hotel
> >>California" was improvised.
>
> You mean Walsh and Felder improvised in harmony?? Now that IS god-like.
No, I agree that Walsh and Felder were probably not into the Vulcan
mind-meld thing. More likely, on of them came up with that line while
overdubbing, and they said, "Gee, that would sound great harmonized!"
Or, they may have written out that particular part beforehand . . .
> The trouble I have with players such as Steve Morse is that they are so
> fucking incredible live, that I can't listen to their studio stuff. Every
> song is ten times better live. That's not a knock on their studio stuff, just
> high praise of their live playing talents. Morse is always amazing live.
No shit! He lives in Ocala, Florida, about 80 miles north of me, and he
plays Tampa about 5 times a year, so I get to see him quite a bit. I
know exactly what you mean. Steve likes to get his solos on the first
take, to capture that freshness, but sometimes on a record he's forced to
use a solo that wasn't necessarily the first one, just the one that fit
the best. Live, everything he plays is a first take, and combined with
all of the live stage energy, you just can't beat it.
Jim Studnicki
studnick@soleil.acomp.usf.edu
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida, USA
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Topic No. 10
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 14:46:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Dream Theater Mailing List)
Subject: DJ Question: who do I talk to?
Message-ID: <199408071946.AA28455@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Okay.... as some of you may know, I do a prog-rock show (Forward Progress).
I'm curious as to how I'd go about getting sneak-preview shit like the lucky
members of this list did. Do I contact the label? Try to track them down?
Write the fan club? HELPPPP?!?!?!!
Rev
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The Reverend "They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained"
Fear the Information Revolution...for it has reached the hands of the strange.
PGP 2.2 Public Key Block available upon request
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Topic No. 11
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 18:55:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Zebra
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408071835.A10355-0100000@locke.ccil.org>
On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Alan J. Mallery wrote:
> Since this list also deals with other hard rock and metal groups that
> have progressive influences,................
Excuse me, but DOES it? This brings up something I've been
wondering about. Personally, I'd rather talk about Dream Theater.
That's what the list is for, right? There are no other bands in the
FAQ. Isn't there a prog-metal newsgroup or mailing list? If not,
someone should make one. This list is turning into one as it seems. I
realize that there's no new material from DT to discuss, but there are
other things to talk about than the new Fate's Warning album and "has
anyone heard of this great band?"
just my 2 cents. :-)
G-Man
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