YTSEJAM digest 483

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Wed Aug 10 1994 - 18:50:04 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 483

    Topics covered in this issue include:

      1) Keyboards on AWAKE
            by Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
      2) LIE and betrayal
            by EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
      3) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
            by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 482
            by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
      5) Lie1.wav
            by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
      6) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
            by Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>
      7) Re: Lie1.wav
            by jpb@iti-oh.com (Jeremy Black)
      8) Dream Theater Online
            by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
      9) Lie WAV
            by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
     10) JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD
            by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
     11) A Change For the Better...
            by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
     12) ftp.music.net address
            by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
     13) I believe in Kev!!
            by =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRAPi5OUyEhNzAbKEo=?= <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
     14) Dream Theater online
            by buffalo@panix.com (C-man)
     15) Re: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD
            by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
     16) Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
            by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
     17) Music Net FTP
            by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
     18) Re: Kevin gone
            by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)

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    Topic No. 1

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 14:06:41 +0200
    From: Brian Nielsen <norman@iesd.auc.dk>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Keyboards on AWAKE
    Message-ID: <199408101206.OAA00905@hardy.iesd.auc.dk>

    Hi all,
    this is my second attempt to contribute to the discussions here, the
    first never made it :(
    Anyway, it may be hard for some of us to recover from the shocking
    news that Kevin has left DT. I think we can rest assured that it'll
    still be Kevin we hear on AWAKE. With that in mind we should be able
    to lighten up, and bearing no hard feelings to his replacement. I
    understand from other discussions that Jens Johansson know how to use
    his keys, so I'll welcome him right away (is he on this list ??? I
    think I read that somewhere...)
    Look at it this way:
    If Kevin isn't satisfyed with the musical direction of DT, it would
    show on their perfomance, and no one wants that (well, I don't). I'd
    rather see (hear) a happy member in the band (five happy members,
    actually).

    One last thing, and I think I speak for all us: Good luck in your
    future musical career, Kevin. We are looking forward to hear what you
    do.

    +------------------------------------------------+
    | Brian Nielsen |
    | Department of Mathematics and Computer Science |
    | Aalborg University, Denmark |
    | |
    | email: norman@iesd.auc.dk |
    +------------------------------------------------+

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    Topic No. 2

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 09:22:39 -0500 (EST)
    From: EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: LIE and betrayal
    Message-ID: <01HFQMFVJM1U9S52YA@vms.cis.pitt.edu>

    >Well, I downloaded Lie... the complete thing... and playing through a
    >SB16 Pro... and I must say, I'm not too impressed... the intro was good,
    >the outro was good... but the rest sounds like Pantera with a progressive
    >touch...

    >Hope it's different on the album...

    >-The Doc

    Oh, I must certainly disagree. This tune kicks ass. It did take me about
    two listens to get used to it, but I've listened to it about forty times in
    two days. Sure its heavier, but its so interesting. Even if you make the
    comparison to Pantera, fine, Pantera only lacks because of Phil's vocals (no
    flames please). Labrie certainly makes this non-Pantera. This song is just
    ball-crushing fantastic.

    Mine dowloaded onto a Silicon Graphics machine, and I'm not real familiar with
    the hardware or the sound card (someone set it up for me after I downloaded it)
    but I do know that I have CD quality here. Not sub-FM as someone stated
    yesterday. Now all I need is to hook up a tape deck and record it. Then for
    those of you who can't get it, I can probably provide. Mike Burstin said he
    thought a new song was going to be put up every two weeks, so you might want to
    wait. Or maybe you don't.

    KAI

    emrst2@vms.cis.pitt.edu

    I must go listen again!

    I meant to post this today, but forgot, so I guess now I'll do it - although
    I don't really feel like doing much after the news - including listening to
    LIE. I think the song should now be called BETRAY.

    sadly, (and I'm still not sure I believe it)
    KAI

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    Topic No. 3

    Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 23:15:01 -0500 (CDT)
    From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
    Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
    Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408092306.A11724-0100000@bigcat>

    Please tell me this is a crock!!! Not to insult Jens (I'm a big fan of
    his too!)...but Kevin is one of the main reasons I'm into DT (The
    keyboards are what make the band complete)...and I'd hate to see him take
    off (even though I;d definetly support his music regardless of DT!)...I
    hope it's a farce!

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
    If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e
    A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major
    would have 4 sharps.

                                  emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
               ERIC MOEGLING:
                                emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
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    Topic No. 4

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:30:00 -0500 (EDT)
    From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 482
    Message-ID: <199408101530.LAA16795@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>

    > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 01:53:44 -0700
    > From: JWEST@MHZ.COM
    > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    > Subject: Lie...
    > Message-ID: <se483333.037@MHZ.COM>
    >
    > I'm slightly new to the internet, so I apologize if I sound like a complete
    > bumbling fool, but here goes.
    >

    Nope... not at all... A reasonable question for a newbie...

    > I was just wondering if it would be possible to send the Lie wave out
    > with the digest, or just to specific people that wanted it. I noticed a few
    > days back that a .GIF file was included with the digest, wouldn't it be
    > possible to do the same with the .WAV file? I'd love to hear it, and I don't
    > have FTP access, just mail.
    >

    Well, the GIF file was a very small file... The Lie WAV is a HUGE
    MONSTER... posting it here would flood many people's mailboxes, kill
    disk limits for readers, and crash many machines along the way... If
    anyone wants a smaller version emailed, I _might_ be able to do it...
    but keep in mind, even the smaller ones are nearly 4 megs, and
    UUENCODing adds to the file size... 

    --
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                          Caught In A Web                             |
|                        Numb from the world                           |
|                       Hanging on by a thread                         |
|             Scared of the life that fights in my head                |
|      Dream Theater         Caught In A Web               Awake       |
|      release date for Dream Theater's Awake:   October 4, 1994       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|      Michael Burstin                       Brandeis University       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu

    ------------------------------

    Topic No. 5

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 08:44:30 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam
Subject: Lie1.wav
Message-ID: <9408101544.AA12688@anthor.arastar.com>

    Forward from HULME@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU follows.

    > 
>     Hello DT fans.  I found an ftp address that has the *.wav file of 
> the new single "Lie" off _Awake_
> 
>     ftp.music.net   /pub/music/dt/lie1.wav
>     
>     It is almost 20 megs so be forewarned.  I let my machine at work 
> crank on it for a few hours with no results; hopefully some of you 
> others will have better luck.
> 
>     Oh, BTW, the address for the WWW page is
>     
>     http:\\www.music.net
>     
>     It has some neat stuff, interviews, lyrics; check it out.
>     
>     Douglas

    Just one stupid question--

    What is the password to access "music.net"?? 

    I have very little FTP experience. Thanks.

                              Kevin
>     
> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>  Rebellion is your pestilence
>  I'll never be confined
>  Forever you shall yield to me
>  ANARCHY DIVINE!                -Fates Warning
> oooooooooooo douglass@cae.wisc.edu oooooooooooo
> 

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    Topic No. 6

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 13:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Garrett M Sanborne <gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408101358.A12811-0100000@locke.ccil.org>

    	Ok, from what someone said, this Jens guy is supposedly on this list??
If so, can he confirm this?  I'd like some confirmation if possible.  I 
find this too hard to believe.  

    Gman
*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
|       Garrett M. Sanborne              gmsanbo@locke.ccil.org           |
|                                        gmsanbo@chopin.udel.edu          |
|  "Do what you love, the rest comes."     "Huh huh .. drums are cool."   |
*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

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    Topic No. 7

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 13:32:22 EDT
From: jpb@iti-oh.com (Jeremy Black)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Lie1.wav
Message-ID: <9408101732.AA02766@pdeserv.iti-oh.com>

    use 'anonymous' for your user id
and then enter your email address as your password.

    Jeremy

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    Topic No. 8

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:30:09 -0500 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Dream Theater Online
Message-ID: <199408102030.QAA17407@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>

    Hi all...  this was on some of the newsboards...  and it was asked
that I post here...

    >Please post this info to ytsejam if you get a chance..
>
>I'm working with the band in setting up a week of live online conferences
>from September 6-9.  Ideally, we're thinking of appearing three or four
>nights in a row on different online services (Compuserve's Rocknet; AOL's
>Cyber-Talk or Odeon; GEnie's Music Roundtable; Prodigy's Chat Area; the
>IRC, others?).  Before we commit to anything we'd like your input; please
>let us know where you'd prefer to communicate with Dream Theater.  Send
>e-mail to buffalo@panix.com and type 'Dream Theater Online' in the subject
>field.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>C-man
>
>P.S. If you prefer to use IRC, please provide as many details regarding the
>set-up of a 'Dream Theater' channel as possible.
>
>******************************************************
>Call Congress for FREE--join Working Assets Long Distance--
>the only phone company fighting for Peace, The Environment, Economic
>Justice, and Human Rights; for info, e-mail: buffalo@panix.com 
>
>Tori Amos tour information: finger grendel@netaxs.com
>Dream Theater's AWAKE is coming......preview at http://www.music.net
>**********************************************************************

    -- 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                          Caught In A Web                             |
|                        Numb from the world                           |
|                       Hanging on by a thread                         |
|             Scared of the life that fights in my head                |
|      Dream Theater         Caught In A Web               Awake       |
|      release date for Dream Theater's Awake:   October 4, 1994       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|      Michael Burstin                       Brandeis University       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu

    ------------------------------

    Topic No. 9

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:09:50 -0400
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Lie WAV
Message-ID: <199408102109.RAA17656@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>

    This again comes from the music netnews boards...
>
>You're going to throw up when I tell you this but anyway.....from the
>>halls of "QC Breakdown":
>
>The upload of "Lie" doesn't include the beginning of "Shadows" it includes
>the END of "Mirror"!!  Sorry for the misinformation earlier...please
>spread the word.  In other words, the intro you liked is actually the
>ending of "Mirror"
>
>Enjoy,

    --
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                          Caught In A Web                             |
|                        Numb from the world                           |
|                       Hanging on by a thread                         |
|             Scared of the life that fights in my head                |
|      Dream Theater         Caught In A Web               Awake       |
|      release date for Dream Theater's Awake:   October 4, 1994       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|      Michael Burstin                       Brandeis University       |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu

    ------------------------------

    Topic No. 10

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:36:16 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam
Subject: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD
Message-ID: <9408110036.AA13606@anthor.arastar.com>

    Forward from LODGE_TIM@CTSTATEU.EDU follows.

    Wait Wait Wait.....Has anyone bothered to CONFIRM this news
of Kevin Leaving DT? The guy in Japan called Atco/eastwest
and they denied it. Has anyone bothered to call the US office
for atco/eastwest or their management? Look at a band like
Guns N Roses.....how many bs rumors have we heard about them
that have been claimed to come from "sources close to the band".

    I find it very hard to believe that Kevin Moore would up and leave
DT to pursue "
other musical ventures" when he seems to fit in DT so nicely.

    Tim

    ------------------------------

    Topic No. 11

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:40:37 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam
Subject: A Change For the Better...
Message-ID: <9408110040.AA13626@anthor.arastar.com>

    Forward from DRSLAUS@SERV0.CAE.WISC.EDU!MSAE.CAE.WISC.EDU follows.

        I'd just like to throw my opinion out there about the recent 
developments concerning Kevin Moore's depatrure from DT, and Jens 
Johanssen's addition to the lineup.

        Personally, after listening to "Lie" and thinking about the 
change for a few hours, I honestly think this is going to be good for 
all parties involved.  If "Lie" is any indication, DT is moving 
towards a more heavy approach, (Balls and Chunk) something which I 
had hoped for on the new album.  The addition of Jens will be a great 
asset to the band, and perhaps he will fit in better with this more 
aggressive style of music.
    
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to slight Kevin Moore in any 
way; He is very talented, and I'm sure his next project will be 
awesome in it's own right.  I am looking forward to see what sort of 
musical direction he heads in.

        Good luck Kevin, and welcome Jens!
    
    Douglas
    
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 Rebellion is your pestilence
 I'll never be confined
 Forever you shall yield to me
 ANARCHY DIVINE!                -Fates Warning
oooooooooooo douglass@cae.wisc.edu oooooooooooo

    ------------------------------

    Topic No. 12

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 17:43:34 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam
Subject: ftp.music.net address
Message-ID: <9408110043.AA13650@anthor.arastar.com>

    Forward from STARR@FNALD.FNAL.GOV!.FNAL.GOV follows.

              Does anybody know the numerical address of ftp.music.net, the 
namesrever that I use does not know it and I can't connect to download 
the lie1.wav file. Thanks in advance.

                                                                   Michael Lee Starr
                                                      Fermi National Accelerator Lab

    [Note from kbibb@arastar.com:  it is 165.247.1.20 ]

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    Topic No. 13

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:34:00 JST
From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRAPi5OUyEhNzAbKEo=?=  <GCH06672@niftyserve.or.jp>
To: ytsejam@bnf.com
Subject: I believe in Kev!!
Message-ID: <199408101445.XAA27560@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp>

    FROM:Kaoru Kobayashi
I believe in Kevin!!
I only want to know truth. I still believe that Kevin is not out from DT.
Please inform us that WHO told Kev's leaving. Did DT announce about it? 
Did Kevin make his leaving cleaer? I don't believe about it without comment
of DT. And why Jens? He just started new project with his brother. I can't
believe his joinning.

    Jason, I agree you!!! I couldn't live with DT without Kev, either!!!!
 ***********************************************************************
 *    " If spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time. "         *
 *   kaoru kobayashi    gch06672@niftyserve.or.jp  (from Japan)        *
 ***********************************************************************      

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    Topic No. 14

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 11:29:40 -0400
From: buffalo@panix.com (C-man)
To: ytsejam@bnf.com
Subject: Dream Theater online
Message-ID: <199408101529.AA24170@panix.com>

    >Hi, all:
>
>I'm working with the band in setting up a week of live online conferences
>from September 6-9.  Ideally, we're thinking of appearing three or four
>nights in a row on different online services (Compuserve's Rocknet; AOL's
>Cyber-Talk or Odeon; GEnie's Music Roundtable; Prodigy's Chat Area; the
>IRC, others?).  Before we commit to anything we'd like your input; please
>let us know where you'd prefer to communicate with Dream Theater.  Send
>e-mail to this account and type 'Dream Theater Online' in the subject
>field.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>
>C-man
>
>P.S. If you prefer to use IRC, please provide as many details regarding the
>set-up of a 'Dream Theater' channel as possible.

    ******************************************************************************
Call Congress for FREE--join Working Assets Long Distance--
the only phone company fighting for the Environment, Peace, Economic
Justice, and Human Rights
for details (and 90 free minutes of long distance calls): buffalo@panix.com
Tori Amos tour information: finger grendel@netaxs.com
Dream Theater's AWAKE is coming.....check out http://www.music.net
****************************************************************************
**

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    Topic No. 15

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:54:54 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: JESUS H., LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD
Message-ID: <199408110254.TAA22449@id1.indirect.com>

    > Wait Wait Wait.....Has anyone bothered to CONFIRM this news
> of Kevin Leaving DT? The guy in Japan called Atco/eastwest

    	The news came from DT themselves... from their front office. 
Haven't you wondered why we keep getting all this earaly info and songs 
like Lie before they get released? :) It's thanks to THEM! hehe

    Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com

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    Topic No. 16

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 19:59:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater gets new keyboardist
Message-ID: <199408110259.TAA22696@id1.indirect.com>

    > 	Ok, from what someone said, this Jens guy is supposedly on this list??
> If so, can he confirm this?  I'd like some confirmation if possible.  I 
> find this too hard to believe.  

    	Yes, Jens is on the list, and no, don't go poking for his email 
address, because if he gets mail flood, our great fortune at having a 
direct line to Dream Theater themselves goes bye-bye. I left it out of 
the FAQ and it won't be in new posts, so the way I figure it, there are 
only two ways to get it. One of those two is to have it given to you for 
no reason. :) The other? Think for a minute...

    	Oh BTW... I don't mean to speak for DT in this matter, only for 
the members here on the list who don't want this connection to dry up. 
There are about a half dozen of us here on Ytsejam who have been rather 
constantly communicating about DT (and Rush) and I think I can safely say 
that all of us are quite excited about recent developments, though we are 
a bit depressed that Kevin left.

    Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com

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    Topic No. 17

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 23:28:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Music Net FTP 
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9408102326.A20081-0100000@bigcat>

    For the dude who wanted the FTP site in #'s, here goes...165.247.1.20
If this doesn't work...then don't ask me!

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: 
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major 
would have 4 sharps.                     

      			    emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu

               ERIC MOEGLING:   emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu 
			    	
			    as297@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Topic No. 18

    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 94 22:14:58 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Kevin gone
Message-ID: <9408110514.AA17417@fas2.lsil.com>

    Damn.  I guess this isn't a joke (like the fake Mike Portnoy
posting a few months back).  What worries me is that he left
over "musical differences." Since those who've heard stuff 
from Awake say it's a lot heavier, is this the new direction
the band will take?  Perhaps (as is evident in a few interviews)
some members of the band hate being labled as merely progressive.
It seems to me that Kevin was the most "progressive" element
in the band (like ELP, Yes, etc...).  Since he'll be gone, will
the keyboard influence start to get written out of DT?  
Hopefully, Jens will be able to hold his own when as they create
new material.  (this is not a flame on his musicianship, merely
a fear that his influence won't be as strong as Kevin's was).
Perhaps he could shed some light here...

    Well, its only a matter of time before we find out. 

    Zach

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