YTSEJAM Digest 603
Today's Topics:
1) Derek as a perm. player for DT
by Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com>
2) Dokken
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
3) Promo Packs?
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
4)
by donews!aslnx1.asb.uah.edu!freddy
5) Re: DT, others live in Cleveland?
by Jeff Hayes <jhayes@ddt.eng.uc.edu>
6) Re: Denver 11/22 show: NO Spoilers
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
7) Dream Band
by LET'S TALK <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>
8) Eve
by text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
9) A Change of Season
by text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
10) Re: Dokken
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
11) Derek Sheranian
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
12) Our nominants...
by Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
13) RESEARCH PAPER
by Godsize@aol.com
14) Re: Dokken
by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
15) Re: Dokken
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
16) Re: Derek as a perm. player for DT
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 08:48:16 EST
From: Corporate Community Relations <buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Derek as a perm. player for DT
Message-ID: <9411301348.AA16985@us2rmc.zko.dec.com>
"Someone" wrote:
>I would have no problem with Derrik Sheridian staying on as the keyboardist for
>DT. I think he would fit it perfectly. He's talented, enjoys playing w/DT,
>and a great guy. Anyone else share this opinion?
Not me. Sorry, Derek is a great guy, but I personally think he is the WRONG
player for DT for a permanent basis. I _know_ Derek and his playing -- we hung
together for a couple of years at Berklee College of Music -- while one cannot
deny Derek has chops, I see his style as really more "rock" based. He has great
Fusion chops, but I wouldn't say he was a really good Jazz player (contrary to
what "Greg" said in the following comment):
>>I could live with that! The jazz influence is obvious if you were
>>at the Toronto show!
I know Mike Portnoy has been quoted that DT is all about "balls and chunk", but
I'd rather see the band build on it's "progressive" Jazz and Fusion chops and
less on their chunky "Metallicaesque" rhythm patterns of the later years. I
was very happy when I had heard Jordan from KORG was playing with them -- now
he is a MONSTER player -- sadly he's with the Dregs now (good for the Dregs,
sad for DT). I would hope the band with replace Kevin with a player solid in
Jazz/Beebop, as opposed to a "rock"-based keyboardist (I was cringing when I
heard they were auditioning Jens Johannsen -- aack!). Derek really burned the
gigs with Kiss and Alice Cooper, but I caught the first 6 dates of the "Awake"
tour, and was surprised (and unhappy) at his performance...esp. at Berklee
(their home turf). Also, Derek's "Hollywood Producer" image doesn't really fit
in with DT's "long hair/MTV" trip.
Just mvho/0.02 from someone who's known 4/5's of DT from his days at Berklee.
-- Buck Buckley@powdml.enet.dec.comPS -- I've seen lots of versions on the spelling of his first name (Derrik, Derrick, etc.). His business card lists his name as "Derek C. Sheridian", FYI and FWIW.
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:49:26 -0700 (MST) From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dokken Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300843.A2121-0100000@casual1>
To whomever asked about Dokken:
I would say that Dokken is NOT progressive but rather a hard rock band. The guitarist is George Lynch and he is an incredible guitarist. I'd say his trademark is the pinch harmonics (those high squeals) attained from what I hear by using a metal washer as a pick. They don't use 3-chord standard progressions by any means, but it's not exactly progressive.
If you're looking for a rockin' band with a wicked guitarist, this bands for you. A lot of songs are about lost love, deceitful women, etc, so if you like those pissed off or sad lyrics check it out.
Some of their albums include:
Tooth and Nail Under Lock and Key Back for the Attack (my personal fav) Beast from the East
The only hit song I think they had was "Alone Again".
Will
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:28:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu> To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Promo Packs? Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.941130102320.25165A-100000@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
Hi all,
Well I guess I am one among the elite number of people that won promo packs from C-man (at least my name was on the list). I just wanted to know if other people that were also on this list have gotten their packs yet? I don't want to complain but I haven't got mine yet and I know some people that have. So I am wondering what is going on. Of course the blame can usually be put on the fine US Postal system. Please e-mail me personally about this it wouldn't be good to flood the list with this stuff. If it gets really long I guess I could write C-man but I know he is busy and I rather not bug him (yet *chuckle*).
Also anyone out there that hasn't heard INFERNO's "Psychic Distance" or EARLY WARNING's "The Hero's Dream" I suggest you try and get in contact with these two bands (who both have members on the list) and get their tapes. They both ROCK (I really mean it, I couldn't stop listening to "The Hero's Dream" when I got it)!!! So there is my plug for these bands.
Jason
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:07:14 +0800 From: donews!aslnx1.asb.uah.edu!freddy Message-ID: <9411301807.AA22601@anthor.arastar.com>
id m0rCqXt-000TcFC; Wed, 30 Nov 94 09:02 CST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:02:06 +0000 From: "Freddy N. Golos" <freddy@aslnx1.asb.uah.edu> Subject: DT in ...Russia? To: ytsejam@arastar.com In-Reply-To: <9411301330.AA21196@anthor.arastar.com> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411300904.B25422-0100000@aslnx1.asb.uah.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Hey guys!
Does anybody know if DT are going to Russia while touring in the Europe?
One more Q: are Europe tour dates available?
Thanx, Freddy.
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Hayes <jhayes@ddt.eng.uc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT, others live in Cleveland? Message-ID: <9411301606.AA03721@cricket.occ.uc.edu>
> > I was recently in a record store this weekend and ran into some people > who said that a new club in Cleveland called Hang 10 will be opening very > soon and they have booked 3 acts, Dec.11th - Ace Frehley, and also Dream > Theatre(either Dec. or Jan.), and Savatage. > Does anyone on the list in the Ohio area know if this is true or just > wishful thinking on the part of Clevelanders? > Let me know. > Dave C. > Cleveland
Dave, Have you heard anything else out about this place Hang 10? Is it supposedly going to be in "The Flats" or somewhere else. I live about 50 miles from there so I'd be willing to go see DT there no problemo.. especially if it's over CHristmas break.
Regs, Jeff
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:27:20 -0700 (MST) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Denver 11/22 show: NO Spoilers Message-ID: <199411301927.MAA30811@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
In Scarred, The Wheel of Fortune Theme comes in around 6:20, while James is singing "How come you don't understand me, how come I don't understand you?"
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: LET'S TALK <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dream Band Message-ID: <01HK3E23ZSIQ8X6RLY@acs.wooster.edu>
Thanx to all those who have sent their dream band picks, this is terribley exciting. It seems we all have extremely varied tastes in music. A couple requests though. 1) list the band these people are from. I hate to say it, but there have been a few names I don't recognize. I never thought that would happen, but it did. So, please help to educate me. 2) Someone had the idea of adding lyricist to the list. So, feel free t to also list your choice for a lyricist for the band. Those of you who have already sent a band, please send a lyricist if you get around to it. Thanx all! keep 'em coming! SLAY
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Date: 30 Nov 1994 14:10:12 -0600 (CST) From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Eve Message-ID: <01HK3CVBDJ1400221L@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
Date sent: 30-NOV-1994 14:03:05
I just bought the Japanese cd of Awake the other day to get the extra song of 'Eve' (On a seperate 3 incher noless) but was really disappointed to find they didn't add the spoken word passages like was done with the live version of the song.....Anyone know why they did that? Perhaps to eliminate the Christian element? Also, does anyone know where they sampled that guy's voice when they used it live?
"Tower of Ivory...they use to say....House of gold... How could a woman be a Tower of Ivory or a house of gold?!" ******************************************************************************** * "Even when plans fall to pieces, I can still find the courage * with promise I've found in my faith." * -Dream Theater 1989 * * *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows *** * ********************************************************************************
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Date: 30 Nov 1994 14:26:54 -0600 (CST) From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A Change of Season Message-ID: <01HK3D4MKKM600221L@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
Date sent: 30-NOV-1994 14:11:21
I'm new here, so if these are redundant questions please bear with me. I've been a fan since '89 (Thanks to the Spirit of Rush guys for turning me on to them) and met them in Green Bay, WI last year. One nice bunch of guys to meet. All were friendly and signed the big pile of stuff I had brought with. (I have that Status Seeker promo....How many did they press of that?...I asked the guys,but they didn't know) Everyone else by the bus were just wanna-be's who just had IAW and were new to the group. (I think the pre IAW stuff is an important part of the band and shouldn't be ignored or forgotten about....just my opinion)
Is a Change of Season every going to be put on a studio disc? It's such a great song and deserves more exposure than on just bootlegs and demos. How about an edit single for the radio? (Yeah right!...20 minutes down to 3)
Where the hell is part 2 for Metropolis? I thought they'd do it on Awake. Guess not. I read once where they said there'd be a part 2 and that would be the conclusion to it. (No part 3, 6 ,9....like Saga did)
******************************************************************************** * "Even when plans fall to pieces, I can still find the courage * with promise I've found in my faith." * -Dream Theater 1989 * * *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows *** * ********************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:08:44 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dokken Message-ID: <199412010108.SAA23287@bud.indirect.com>
> If you're looking for a rockin' band with a wicked guitarist, this bands > for you. A lot of songs are about lost love, deceitful women, etc, so if > you like those pissed off or sad lyrics check it out.
That's about the size of it. When Dokken broke up, Don Dokken took the glamour shit with him and Lynch/Brown were left with mostly a showoff guitar band (such as Vai and Winger were) when they formed Lynch Mob.
> Some of their albums include: > Breaking the Chains '83 - a lot of glam > Tooth and Nail '84 - some glam, a more progressive feel > Under Lock and Key - more of the same but better done > Back for the Attack (my personal fav) - less less glam, more prog > Beast from the East - live, compilation.
> The only hit song I think they had was "Alone Again".
Wow! What about their magnum opus, "In My Dreams"... or their two hits from the Elm Street 3 soundtrack.. "Dream Warriors" and "Into the Fire". However, my favourite tracks from them are none of those.. they are "Sleepless Nights" and "The Hunter", with a close third to "Will The Sun Rise" and fourth to "Mr. Scary".
Who else likes Dokken? Favourite songs?
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:47:03 -0500 From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Derek Sheranian Message-ID: <9412010247.AA06340@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
Does anyone know Derek's date of birth? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm Dis con nec ted... - group:'Queensryche', song:'Disconnected', CD:'Promised Land'
I'd rather be with an animal... - group:'Pearl Jam', song:'Animal', CD:'Vs.' Look in the mirror my friend... - group: 'Dream Theater', song:'The Mirror', CD:'Awake' --------------------------------------------------------------------------
For more information on Queensryche, Pearl Jam, or Dream Theater, finger laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:37:18 -0600 (CST) From: Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Our nominants... Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411302220.A15459-0100000@ecom2.ecn.bgu.edu>
Someone suggested that we submit our NON DT Dream Band nominees. This is like saying "What is the best car of all time, without mentioning a Cheverolet," but I'm more than game. Remember, this is non-DT...
Me:
Vocalist: Sebastian Bach (2nd: Dickenson) Guitarist: Dave Murray (2nd: Vai) Drummer: Nicko McBrain (2nd: Can I say Portnoy? No? How bout Wild Mick Brown?) Bassist: Steve Harris (Yeah, like there is another... Ask John M.!!) Keyboards: (Keyboards are like condoms; you only use them when you have to...); my opinion before DT!! Ther are no others!
Can you tell who my favorite band is? I grew up as a bass player on Maiden, so please don't hold anything against me.
Remember, these are not my favorite musicians, but the people I would like to see play together. Favorite musician is another category. Any one have the guts to start a list of that?
My roommate:
Vocalist: That Steel Heart Guy (Don't have the CD jacket...) Guitarist: Steve Vai Bass: Steve Harris Drummer: Tommy Aldridge
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:27:29 -0500 From: Godsize@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RESEARCH PAPER Message-ID: <941130212206_2557276@aol.com>
Well I have to start my research paper soon, I've put it off long enough. But my teacher is letting me write it about John Petrucci :-> But there is just one problem and I know this is a very large favor to ask but if anyone one knows When and where he was born and who his parents were could they please email it to me. Please try to give me sources also in MLA format. I know I am asking a lot but it would be a huge help.
Thanks for listening
Trey
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:28:54 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Dokken Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9412010026.A2907-0100000@bigcat>
Actually, the only hit song Dokken had was "I My Dreams" which got a ton of MTV play time back in 85...and it was then re-made into an extremely CHEESY pop tune by some pathetic group name The Party...or some stupid crap like that...anyways, they totally ruined the song...but it struck big with Top 40 radio (The Party's version). Also for those that don't know...they ARE back together...so let's start a DOKKEN mailing list!!!
Now for some DT stuff...for the dude who knocked Jens ("I cringed when I heard they auditioned Jens...")...Jens TOTALLY Kicks!!! I must jump in to defend him on this one...cause...well...just go listen to his solos on ANY Malmsteen tape (of those he was on)...or look around for a good Boot of some live stuff (I don't have any...but a friend does, and he can fly!!!)...and I'm telling you, he can hold his own!!! I do understand where you're coming from with your idea...but give a guy credit!!! Just cause a person's been doing a certain gig for a while...doesn't mean he can't go on to another one. Later!
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ERIC MOEGLING: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu as297@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 01:35:46 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dokken Message-ID: <9412010935.AA02551@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> > > so let's start a DOKKEN mailing list!!!
FYI my fave song was "Paris is Burning"
> Now for some DT stuff...for the dude who knocked Jens ("I cringed when I > heard they auditioned Jens...")...Jens TOTALLY Kicks!!!
I must have read that differently than you read it because it sounded to me like Buckley was criticizing the *style of keyboardist* that was being auditioned more than he was criticizing Jens technical ability.
As buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com wrote:
> one cannot deny Derek has chops, [but] I see his style as really more > "rock" based. [...] but I wouldn't say he was a really good Jazz player
(Text [in brackets] is mine.)
> I would hope the band with replace Kevin with a player solid in > Jazz/Beebop, as opposed to a "rock"-based keyboardist (I was cringing when I > heard they were auditioning Jens Johannsen -- aack!).
Jens is a great keyboardist but that doesn't mean that everyone's going to like his style. Heck, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich and Stravinsky aren't necessarily your favorite classical composers and Random Hold might not be your favorite band.
My impression was that Buckley wanted a jazz keyboardist since that would create tension in the band (tension--to a point--is good since it makes music interesting). Although the idea is intriguing, I think it would cause too much tension and that the jazz keyboardist would leave :)
But I do think that it's a valid point that the new keyboardist should have influences outside of progressive metal to bring new tension into the band.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 03:37 MST From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Derek as a perm. player for DT Message-ID: <m0rD8t9-0001YfC@rockymtn.net>
>gigs with Kiss and Alice Cooper, but I caught the first 6 dates of the "Awake" >tour, and was surprised (and unhappy) at his performance...esp. at Berklee
I got to speak briefly with Derrek after the Denver show and in the course of the conversation it came out that he had had 2 weeks to prepare for the tour. He hadn't been (his words) a fan of DT before he flew to NY to talk with them and didn't know any of the music. (This is an honest question, not sarcasm or flame) Do you think that could be a pretty heavy influence on his performance?
I'm certainly no keybordist and am not college educated in music, but I've been playing drums for 22 years and my comment to him was that I'd be hardpressed to come up with 1/2-hour of Portnoy's stuff in two weeks as well-executed as Derrek did an hour and a half of Kevin's stuff.
You know him much better than I could pretend to, so I'm interested in your opinion. (hell, I'm sure it makes a difference that I'm seeing him well into the tour as opposed to at the beginning) I'm interested in hearing more about his performance at those first few shows.
Peace!
>Buck >Buckley@powdml.enet.dec.com
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