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                            YTSEJAM Digest 616

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: Rising Power
 by Mozo21@aol.com
  2) Re: Trading Rules!!!!
 by Mozo21@aol.com
  3) A New EP?
 by Stuart Booth <stuart@garage.demon.co.uk>
  4) trading practices...
 by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
  5) *****RISING POWER****** CD'S
 by TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
  6) Re: DT Radio Show
 by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
  7) DT Boots
 by jhaynes@connix.com (Jeremy Haynes)
  8)
 by jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
  9) Re: What do you guys think...
 by rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
 10) Re: A New EP?
 by Godsize@aol.com
 11) Re: What do you guys think...
 by Godsize@aol.com
 12) Trades, New Instrumental Jam
 by "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
 13) Re: What do you guys think...
 by Godsize@aol.com
 14) Re: What do you guys think...
 by SPOOK SPEHAR - THE GALLOPING GHOST <SMS012@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
 15) Re: Trades, New Instrumental Jam
 by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
 16) Re: What do you guys think...
 by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
 17) Petrucci Info
 by TTubbiola@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:09:22 -0500
From: Mozo21@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Rising Power
Message-ID: <941213080922_4834446@aol.com>

<<Well. Andy (mozo21@aol.com) has heard the cd and he said the music was
pretty good. Andy? comments???

Tim>>

Well, I didn't exactly say that the music was good, but the production is top
notch for a local band release. There's only three guys in the band (bass,
guitar, drums) so you can really hear Mike. Nothing like DT, but it wasn't
horrible either.

I may be one of the least metal-oriented people on this list, so I'm not
really qualified to review the music except to say "It ain't DT"

Andy

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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:33:00 -0500
From: Mozo21@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Trading Rules!!!!
Message-ID: <941213083006_4843034@aol.com>

My irrelevant rules of trading.

1- Cases- I like getting a tape without a case, I like getting a tape with a
case, I hate getting a case without a tape.

2- Set Lists- I usually send set lists, sometimes I don't. I don't mind
getting a tape without a set-list cause it forces me to listen to a tape. I'd
rather get an excellent tape with no set-list, than a crappy tape with one.

3- High Bias- now there's something we all agree on.

4- Levels- I use only play with levels when I dub off my master. If a tape is
noticeable low on one channel, then I balance it when I dub it. I've never
actually seen a dual deck where you can adjust the levels while dubbing (But
this might be cause I shop at K-Mart)

5- Priority or 4th class- Depends on whether the baby needs formula this
week. Hey- if you're short on cash, the extra 3,4,5,6, or 7 day wait won't
kill me.

6- Music, Music, Music- this is where I get picky. If you send me a tape- It
better have music on it.

I think Mike Burstin hit the nail on the coffin when he said that the worst
offense is when someone stiffs you on a trade and doesn't send tapes. I can
live with anything else- if I have a problem with a trade, I won't complain-
I just won't trade anymore.

One more thing- If you collect tapes- think about about buying a walkman
(even a cheap one). It would be nice if EVERY show was readily available.

Andy

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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 12:49:00 +0000
From: Stuart Booth <stuart@garage.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A New EP?
Message-ID: <941113192449stuart@garage.demon.co.uk>

First ever posting. Hope this arrives!!!

I noted on Issue 614 the following message:

> Wouldn't it be cool if the as of yet unwritten song for the
> upcoming EP was Metroplois Part II? An EP with ACoS, Eve, TLF, and
> Metropolis Part II would be killer, and it would definitely make 1995
> a great year!

A New EP?!??!!! I've obviously missed something whilst I've been to
busy to keep up to date with earlier issues!

Can anybody fill me in on this?

Cheers,

Stuart.
[in Guildford, UK]

--
Stuart Booth
stuart@garage.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:11:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: trading practices...
Message-ID: <199412131511.KAA01291@pearl.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Flame On
> 
> 	WHY SEND CASES?  This  baffles me...you can fit more tapes in a 
> small padded package without cases.  Besides, there's less postage and if 
> you do an even trade and both keep the cases, everyone comes out even.
Why send cases...  well... I have traded a few times without cases...
mostly across the Atlantic to England, Germany, etc...  and of the 4
or 5 times, at least 2 times, the tapes unwound, and were a real pain
to get them wound up correctly without wrinkling the tapes...  That,
and alot of us also trade using Proiority Mail...  which has weight
ranges, but does not change greatly with the amount...  $2.90 for 2
lbs, $4.10 for next range...  Sending the cases doesn't have that
great of an effect...   That, plus sending tapes without cases when
the other person is expecting cases is a real pain...  I have a few
tapes here w/o cases b/c the person I traded with didn't inform me
first that he wasn't sending cases...
Oh, also...  I have several times recieved tapes from people who don't
quite package their tapes well...  I have gotten tape cases where at
least one side was in bad condition...  Now, if the tape had been sent
without a case, that would be the tape that was broken, rather than
the case...  Which would you rather have destroyed?
> 	I always use High Bias tapes!...That was never disputed by me.  
> People that use normal tapes should be shot.
That I agree with...  I have, fortunatly, only done one trade with
someone who send me type I tapes... 
> 	Now about set lists....does DT change their set list every 
> night!??  I THINK NOT.  It's virtually the same songs for the whole tour.
There are some bands that do change set lists OFTEN...  (I do happen
to also trade Pearl Jam tapes, and their set list changes daily) plus,
DT changes about monthly (just about exactly monthly...  I checked out
my tapes from the I&W tour, and every month has a differnt one, with 
tapes from the same one repeating regularly)...  plus, if you don;t
know what set list they are on, its common courtesy, and something
that I have seen people agree with on virtually every mailing list
that I am on, and something that virtually everyone even goes as far
as to mention on their trading lists...
> I always make sure to point out if a show is unique in some way. (like a 
> new song was added to the list...or dropped)
So if the person doesn't have a tape from the current tour, great...
This song was added of dropped...  wonderful...  added/dropped from
what? 
> But to sit there and write out a set list of the last tour is
Maybe you should consider getting CASELINR if you are using Windows,
or a similar program for Dos or Mac...  I am sure that they exist...
just type it in once, save it, and print every time you trade...  And
if not using a dedicated program, it isn't that difficult to set up a
table in Word (or other word processor) to accomplish the same
thing...  
> pointless.  You should have that set list memorized....why do you need
> a reference to see what songs are on the tape?  Are you Ronald Reagan?
Well, some of us trade for tapes from many bands, and get tapes from
many different years...  you happen to know, without looking at a set
list, Van Halen's 1979 set list, or Rush's '82 set list...  didn't
think so...  and if you do, not all of us have photographic memory...  
> 	As for Mister Bahr....having a lot of shows doesn't make you 
> superior to the rest of us...It's QUALITY...not quantity.
Well, I don't know about the quality of your tapes...  but I have
traded at least 3 or 4 times already (and getting ready to do another
trade) with Mike, and I can definatly say that his tapes are
quality...  
> 	Levels, Levels ,Levels.....oh dear...don't tell me there are still 
> people out there with inferior dual decks that can't adjust levels. 
Actually, yes...  there are people out there with good tape decks that
you can't adjust the record level when dubbing...  Sure, you can
adjust it when recording CDs, videos, etc...  But most decks will not
allow you to change the record leven when dubbing...  That, at least
was the state of tape decks when I bought mine Sr. year in high
school...  I'm sorry if I can't go and run out and buy a new tape deck
every year...
> left.  They must be equal to be listenable.  Copy the original levels?!  
> PULEEEEEZ....only if they were done right the first time. (Like people I 
> trade with on a regular basis.)
Again, some of us trade old shows...  yes, today it is possible to get
an awsome aud DAT...  but try finding a digital recording from 15
years ago, when people didn't have good recording equiptment...
> 	I'm....confused....I seem to have bad trading practices yet I have 
> an enormous amount of shows.  I guess everyone just puts up with me or 
> something?  
I don't know...  you appear to have different trade practices than
anyone else that I have seen...  and you certainly didn't exactly make
a great first impression on those of us on this list...  that much I
can say...
> 	To me, the worst trader is one that screws you out of tapes.  
> Nothing could be worse than not getting the tapes promised to you.
Yes, and that's why I have started a list of bad traders which is
freely distributable...  As soon as I edit down the new 3 or 4 people
that I have recieved, its going on my home page also...  
> ------------------------------
> 
> From: text string <SMITSM@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
> Subject: Set List Confusion
> 
>   
> 	Could someone post the most current set list for this tour.  There 
> seems to be some confusion out there.  I want to know if they've changed it 
> since I saw them (11/4) and for collecting purposes.  Thanks.
Thats why we provide set lists with the tapes that we trade...  
> 	How come Portnoy collects audience tapes of shows?  Why doesn't he 
> have the soundman tape them for him on DAT?  I suppose that would take out 
> all the fun of collecting.
Portnoy sometimes DATs directly from the soundboard, but other times
sets up an aud DAT somewhere...  (I'd love to find out where he sets
it up :)  
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
|   I never bared my emotions    | Dream Theater |   Michael Burstin   |
|    My passion always strong    |    Scarred    | Brandeis University |
|    I never lost my devotion    |     Awake     +---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. |  Get AWAKEned today, in stores now  |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
      For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
	  http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 9:57:01 -0500 (EST)
From: TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: *****RISING POWER****** CD'S
Message-ID: <941213095701.2021111f@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Hi, A week ago or so I posted about RISING POWER cd's
possibly for sale. To date I have received Seven Commmittments
to purchase a cd if available. I need a minimum of Twenty (20)
people to committ to this in order to get the cd's.
Right now I am talking about a price of $20 + $2 for shipping or so.
Prices could change +/- $5 .
So if you would like one of these cd's, I need a committment via email.
email to:
lodge_tim@ccsu.ctstateu.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------
DISCLAIMER: If you can get these Cd's in East Osh Kosh , Kansas
for $4.99 or some crap, then do it, and don't both me!!! 8)
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:16:55 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT Radio Show
Message-ID: <199412131616.LAA00651@o207a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>Granted, WMHD's listening radius isn't too big,
Yeah... if I recall, the motto a few years ago was
"If you can hear us, you can see us" ;)
Blasted FCC.
If this kind of stuff is being played regularly,
I'm going to have to steal my roomie's radio more
often :)
Dom'ny
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:54:44 -0500
From: jhaynes@connix.com (Jeremy Haynes)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Boots
Message-ID: <199412131654.LAA15199@comet.connix.com>
>From: YYSD@grove.iup.edu
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: boot quality.
>Message-ID: <01HKJUB8GXCI8Y6COY@grove.iup.edu>
>
>i know that many of you have no doubt answered questions like this many times,
>but i am looking to purchase a DT bootleg and am wondering about the 
quality and
>availability of Live In Long Island: Home At Last, Lost In The Sky, and/or Live
>and Alive.
Lost in The Sky is my second Favorite DT Boot (after DoE of course <g>), the 
quality is definately an "A/A+"
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:36:31 -0500
From: jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <199412131835.AA05910@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
set "ytsejam" no mail
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 15:36:47 +22305458 (CST)
From: rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think...
Message-ID: <9412132136.AA17027@stu.beloit.edu>
> 
> Unfortunately, everyone in my dorm hall makes fun of Dream Theater.  
> Especially my roomate.  What does he know...he likes R.E.M.  I guess he 
> can't relate.  My brother and three other friends are the only people 
> with whom I talk about Dream Theater.  My other friends refuse to give 
> them a try.  I guess they are content with their alternative music. I 
> like alternative music as well, but I like progressive metal more. 
> 
My boyfriend likes alternative.  He can't stand prog.  He has a radio show. 
(Beloit College Radio -- don't get excited) He once played the first half of
Fates Warning's "Eleventh Hour" and then shut it off in disgust, just to
annoy me.  He thinks DT is pretentious.  I know they can be at times, but to
me, Black Francis singing the lyric "it is time for
stormy weather" 100 times against disonant background is more pretentious.
(No offense to Pixies fans -- I'm just annoyed that he hates my music and
expects me to like his)
None of my other friends listen to DT, although a couple like Queensryche. 
It's a start.
Stacie 
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 17:31:36 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com, ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A New EP?
Message-ID: <941213173012_5212947@aol.com>
DT is thinking about releasing an EP with ACOS, TLF, Eve, and another new
song some time early next year.  I am pretty sure this is correct?
Trey
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 17:25:18 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think...
Message-ID: <941213172516_5208664@aol.com>
I know exactly how you feel.  There is hardly anyone here who respects DT but
I have been making everyone at UNCC listen to it.  Still they just aren't in
to it like us.  But one day I wore my IAW shirt to class and some guy started
talking to me about them and we talked the whole class.  Just my $0.02.
Trey
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:45:15 -0500
From: "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Trades, New Instrumental Jam
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.90.941213203722.15209A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
I'm just curious, but it would be interesting to know how many of us 
trade cases.  I always do and all but one of the people I have traded 
with swap cases.  It really isn't more expensive if you send out first 
class or priority mail.  Just hurts the book rate people.  Consider, if 
the cases sometimes get broke in the mail, what does the same damage do 
to an unprotected tape?  BTW  Lots of stuff coming in, mail me for my list.
Has anyone asked the band about a namme for the new Mirror intro and the 
Instrumental Jam.  
		Kittens on Crack
		Hamsters on Heroin
		Gerbils on Geritol?
Maybe some of the Europeans and Japanese Ytsejammers (Hello to you all!!!)
could cover this one.  If not I will have to try to catch them in 
Baltimore during the spring when they return.
						Mike
						mbacko1@umbc.edu
 
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 21:41:34 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think...
Message-ID: <941213214133_5397383@aol.com>
>annoy me.  He thinks DT is pretentious.  I know they can be at> 
Uh....  What is pre-ten-t-ious  HEH HEH HEH HEH
Trey
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 23:54:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: SPOOK SPEHAR - THE GALLOPING GHOST <SMS012@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think...
Message-ID: <01HKM30JCPQA00DE10@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>
>My boyfriend likes alternative.  He can't stand prog.  He has a radio show. 
>(Beloit College Radio -- don't get excited) He once played the first half of
>Fates Warning's "Eleventh Hour" and then shut it off in disgust, just to
WHAT?!?!?!!?!?  Shut it off mid-way through?!?  Time to get a new boy friend
if you ask me. ;)
My girlfriend had to do a radio show here at Drake for a class.  I suggested she
play Le Pont Noir by Voivod, Scarborough Fair-Queensryche's version, and a 
couple Damn the Machine songs I got off of the radio promo of Silence.  I 
even had her try sneaking a song by The Beyond on there in hopes of 
sneaking that past, but the entire format of the stupid station(not even
broadcast over the airwaves) is alternative.  The dumb call sign or whatever
is Your Alternative Alternative.  Stupid.  Needless to say she got in trouble
for playing out of format and I couldn't talk her into bucking the system since
her grade depended on the show.  Oh well.
>annoy me.  He thinks DT is pretentious.  I know they can be at times, but to
>me, Black Francis singing the lyric "it is time for
>stormy weather" 100 times against disonant background is more pretentious.
>(No offense to Pixies fans -- I'm just annoyed that he hates my music and
>expects me to like his)
>
>None of my other friends listen to DT, although a couple like Queensryche. 
>It's a start.
I got my roommate into DT about the same time I got into it.  I read a review 
for I&W in a guitar magazine(Same issue I read about The Beyond and Thought
Industry: GREAT ISSUE!) and picked it up in a local record shop in the fall of
1992.  I listened to it quite a bit before I finally figured out the keyboards
were playing alongside the guitar in Metropolis and I made my roommate listen 
to it.  Needless to say he's been hooked ever since.  We constantly watch the
LIT video in awe together.  I got him into Fates Warning too.  He introduced me
to Mindcrime.  Needless to say we get along just fine!
Scott
>
>Stacie 
________________________________________________________________________________
| MMMMMM!                                                                      |
| You give that Nimrod fifteen hundred dollars and I'll shoot him on general   |
| principle.                                                                   |
| They look like dorks.                                                        |
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:50:51 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Trades, New Instrumental Jam
Message-ID: <199412140850.AAA21684@netcom3.netcom.com>
Yeah... I asked them what they would name the new Instrumental and
basically, they said "it's just a jam man!"
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 00:53:28 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think...
Message-ID: <199412140853.AAA21901@netcom3.netcom.com>
Hey Stacie...
I think your boyfriend is a looser for listening to alternative and not
liking prog-metal.  Why do you hang out with someone who would DARE cut
11th Hour in the middle of it?
A little harsh I know... but hey...  DT and FW are RELIGION... hehehehh
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 11:41:20 -0500
From: TTubbiola@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Petrucci Info
Message-ID: <941213114102_5020933@aol.com>
I'm looking for any interviews, sheet music, tablature or transcriptions from
John Petrucci. If anyone can give me info on back magazine issues or music
books on DT I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks,
"The spider in the window"     |<Dream Theater: Voices>
"The angel in the pool"        |
"The old man takes the poison" |      Tom Tubbiola
"Now the widow makes the rules"|   TTubbiola@aol.com 
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