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Portnoy's drum sound ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
unsubscribe (Graham James Reilly <gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk>)
bass solos (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 285 (ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE))
No Solos AT ALL ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
Re: Portnoy's drum sound (ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE))
Re: Myung on bass (svanhooser@aol.com)
Live in Tokyo CD? (Jourdan <joupet@homer.bethel.edu>)
Re: Portnoy's drum sound ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
Re: Live in Tokyo CD? (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:16:32 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
Subject: Portnoy's drum sound
>
> > Mike's drum recording was a topic of conversation backstage after a
> > concert I saw on New Year's in Tampa. Uh, how much sampling did he
> > use during the studio sessions? This was a topic here a few weeks
> > ago, and I forget how much of Mike's studio work was (shall we say)
> > enhanced.
>
> Heh heh. Well, I can assure you that he played everything that's
> on the album. The thing is, the producer came in and said "Ok, mics here
> for guitars, bass direct, etc, etc, oh, and we're triggering all the
> drums". Now, what this means is, everytime Mike hits a drum, it still
> makes a sound. However, it doesn't make a very natural sound, from a
> "feel" oint of view (ie, the attack volumes don't vary a whole lot,
> ghost strokes come out wierd, etc)
How exactly does that work, process-wise? Mike hits a tom or
whatever, and.....what? Is it interpreted electronically and then
sent to tape? Uh, weird.
>They didn't "fix" any of his drum parts in the studio (ala Lars Ulrich)
Funny you should mention that; Rod Moffitt (drummer for the band we
went to see) said the same thing about Lars' drumming being 'repaired'
just moments after we discussed Portnoy. :)
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Queensryche ------------------------------- Metallica Hawkwind Enya Ministry The Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult Muthas Day Out ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 16:35:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham James Reilly <gjr@st-andrews.ac.uk> Subject: unsubscribe
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: bass solos
> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 21:27:50 PST > From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) > Subject: Re: Myung on bass > > > ~ I do wish that John would play a solo during DT shows; I wish the same for > Geddy Lee, as well. I saw Hamm with Satriani a few years ago (I didn't get a > chance to see him recently, though :( I've couldn't believe that such a > variety of sounds could come from a bass guitar! The way he slapped that > bass... Awesome! > Zach > I don't know about a bass solo. I know that Myung is great, but I just don't know about getting a good bass solo. I have heard some other bass solos, and don't really like the bass effects that they use in them. If he just played like he does in the songs, that would make an awsome solo, as long as he did not use bass effects
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:17:33 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 285
[stuff about Larz Ulrich, etc]
> I heard they had to piece his tracks together from over 40 different > takes on the slack album.
The way I understand it, is that they recorded a *very* basic drum track (like, no fills, or anything), and then he just played along with the song and come up with fills. Then they cut and pasted (uh, spliced for the tech types :) the tape together and "re-striped" the SMPTE code on the tape, to make one smooth track. I guess there's something to be said for doing it that way, if you're trying to make a "perfect" sounding album. On the previous two albums he recorded all the fills and stuff live, but he only played about 30 seconds of a song at a time. Those drum parts sound better to me :) Of course, then you do it like a real man :) and cut the whole track, straight through, and if you screw up, you do it again :)
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 12:24:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: No Solos AT ALL
Generally, rather than hear your typical solos, I'd rather get another song!! This applies not only to drums but to guitar and bass as well because the typical solo is too long, wandering and self indulgent. On "Live in Tokyo", instead of a drum solo why not go into "Status Seeker", or better yet, "A Matter of Time". To me, the opportunity cost (I thought I'd never use that Economics Class term again) of a solo is another song, so if there is a solo it should be as good as or better than a good song for it to be worthwhile. Neil Peart succeeds at this. Mike P. does not.
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 13:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (DAVID RE) Subject: Re: Portnoy's drum sound
[stuff about triggering]
Sorry for cluttering up the list, and all, but I guess someone out there might find it interesting :)
> How exactly does that work, process-wise? Mike hits a tom or > whatever, and.....what? Is it interpreted electronically and then > sent to tape? Uh, weird.
Ok. Mike hits a drum. The mechanical signal is picked up by a transducer (either one that's attached to the drum, a drum pad, or a microphone). The transducer changes the mechanical signal into an electrical one. That signal the goes to a "brain" unit that figures out what to do with it (like, which sound to play, what kind of velocity curve to use, etc :) The brain (or some other sound unit attached to it; like a drum machine or something) then sounds a sound signal out to the mixing board and then it gets put to tape. The problems arise when you don't take the time to program the "brain" properly, and it either false triggers (it triggers when you hit something else), or you have no sensitivity (ala Portnoy on I&W). The latter causes the drums parts to sound as if they were played by a drum machine, cause there's no dynamics in the sound that bring across the "live" feel.
> Funny you should mention that; Rod Moffitt (drummer for the band we > went to see) said the same thing about Lars' drumming being 'repaired' > just moments after we discussed Portnoy. :)
Hee hee.
Oh, BTW. I bought the Metallica boxed set. Heh. I have to say that the best performance is on the Seattle video, from the Justice tour. Lars remembered how to play drums then...... :)
-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Huh huh. You want cash, or should we go spank the monkey again? Huh Huh." "Beating heads on the Early Warning soul train..........." "Huh huh. He's fallen, and he can't get it up. Huh huh..."
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 94 20:34:11 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Myung on bass
>Speaking of Mannring, if you like tapping and mind-blowing >bass playing, check >Mannring out, but only if you can handle new-agish type stuff. >If you're into rock, (and who here isn't) go grab anything made >by Stu Hamm. Guaranteed to make your hair stand on end.
What bands do these gentlemen play for? Or are they solists?
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 22:38:58 -0600 From: Jourdan <joupet@homer.bethel.edu> Subject: Live in Tokyo CD?
Has anyone heard anything about a Live In Tokyo CD? This would be from the same show as the video, but on disc. I was told it was just released (in Japan only, of course). I haven't checked around myself; I only heard it from a friend who deals of imports. Since the band hasn't been touring lately, I'm not surprised no one has mentioned anything about it - no one has heard from them. Then again, it could be simply a rumor, which would be unfortunate. Anyone else know anything about this?
Peter Jourdan Where would you rather be? joupet@bethel.edu Anywhere but here rhenmar@iastate.edu -Rush, Double Agent
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Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 23:22:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: Re: Portnoy's drum sound
> [stuff about triggering]
Aha, now I understand. Weird. What would the benefits be of recording the drums this way?
> > Funny you should mention that; Rod Moffitt (drummer for the band we > > went to see) said the same thing about Lars' drumming being 'repaired' > > just moments after we discussed Portnoy. :) > > Hee hee.
These kids are gonna go somewhere, let me tell ya.... heh (I know Rod's drums are all live; they didn't have the money to spend on elaborate studio work. :) :))
> Oh, BTW. I bought the Metallica boxed set. Heh. I have to say that the > best performance is on the Seattle video, from the Justice tour. Lars > remembered how to play drums then...... :)
Oooh, ouch....
BTW, I think you owe me a letter, Dave.. :) (I'll resend the last one in the queue.)
-- Paul W. Cashman, vanyel@crl.com Rush Dream Theater Queensryche ------------------------------- Metallica Hawkwind Enya Ministry The Sisters of Mercy Dead Can Dance Blue Oyster Cult Muthas Day Out ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 0:34:00 MST From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Live in Tokyo CD?
> > Has anyone heard anything about a Live In Tokyo CD? This would be > from the same show as the video, but on disc. I was told it was just released > (in Japan only, of course). I haven't checked around myself; I only heard it > from a friend who deals of imports. Since the band hasn't been touring lately, > I'm not surprised no one has mentioned anything about it - no one has heard from > them. Then again, it could be simply a rumor, which would be unfortunate. > Anyone else know anything about this?
Well, parts of the LiT show found their way onto the Images & Tour! bootleg, but other than that... ??? Mike/garion@indirect.com
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