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LitS, Related Bands (wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de)
Re: CD Set for trade (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
MAJESTY DEMO CD FOR SALE ("TIMOTHY LODGE, POLITICAL SCIENCE '95" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: DT new release (fwd) (Joseph Pearson <jpearson@crash.cts.com>)
Fates Warning (rtoscano@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Toscano))
MORE INSTRUMENTAL AND DEMOS CD FOR SALE! ("TIMOTHY LODGE, POLITICAL SCIENCE '95" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: Fates (Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>)
Re: a few things on Ytsejam 421 (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Invalid request (fwd) (Don Olive <olive@orph01.phy.ornl.gov>)
Re: Fates (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: Saga ("Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>)
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:13:55 +0200 (MESZ)
From: wagner@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
Subject: LitS, Related Bands
Hello everyone out there in ytsejam-land....
> When I listened, I wanted to here the new stuff. I wanted to check out
> Only a Matter of Time with the "new" ending instumental section.
> When I 1st heard it, I thought that it sounded familiar, maybe from one
> of the Majesty Demos. Then later, when I listened to the whole disc, I
> heard that at the end of the track before it (before OaMoT starts), James
> says something like "We're gonna go back to 1989 and do something from
> When Dream and Day Unite, and after that we are gonna go back a little
> farther". This also makes me think he was speaking of the Majesty demos.
> I guess I'll have to pull them out and listen to them some more and see if
> I can find the spot.
The ending of Only A Matter Of Time is an instumental and rearranged version of
March Of The Tyrant from the Majesty-Demo (Mike said this to me after the gig in
Neu-Isenburg).
> I also picked up Fates Warnings - Perfect Symetry this evening. I have
> Kevin plays one is already my favorite. You could probably tell someone
> that it was Dt and they would believe you, except for the vocals I guess.
> that it was Dt and they would believe you, except for the vocals I guess.
> Kevin and his keys just add so much to the music, more than a two guitars
> could do, ie - Fates or Qryche or even Cynic. BTW - Cynic is really cool.
> What other bands are like them?
I've gone through my CD-Collection and found some CD which might be for interest
for you guys....
Adramelch - Irae Melanox (undescribable, sounds a bit like old Fates Warning
meets old Dream Theater meets italian classic, out on Reborn Classic
as a CD-boot. If someone got the original LP and wants to sell it,
mail me)
Crimson Glory - dto, Transendence (Classic stuff. If you like old Ryche and
Leathal, you'll love this two CDs)
Leathal - Programmed (sounds a bit like old Ryche)
Sacred Warrior - Obsessions (same as Leathal)
Fates Warning - Buy'em All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heir Apparent - Graceful Inheritance (Sort of Power-Metal, but excelent melody
and progressive songwriting. A good singer too. If you can find it,
get it, a classic)
Heir Apparent - One Small Voice (sort of Ryche-clone, but still very good)
Moon Of Steel - dto (Mixture between Ryche, Crimson Glory, old Heir Apparent and
Adramelch)
Magellan - Hour Of Restauration, Impending Ascension (sounds a bit like Yes)
Psychitic Waltz - everything (just check'em out)
Shadow Gallery - dto (mixture of modern progressive and 70' progressive, a must
for D.T., Yes-fans)
Warlord - everything (not a progressiveband at all, but the drummer is now playing
in Fates Warning, good songs, a classic)
Thats it........
Till
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---- Freedom belongs only to those without video screens for eyes and mouth ----
---------------------- Queensryche - Screaming In Digital ----------------------
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---- When we die, do we haunt the sky? Do we lurk in the murk of the seas? ----
---- And then? Are we born again? Just to sit and ask questions like these? ----
----------------------- Spinal Tap - The Majesty Of Rock -----------------------
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-------------I snuffed a million planets and still find time to cry ------------
---------- Because there is more to life than making other people die ----------
---------------------------- GWAR - The Road Behind ----------------------------
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- Peace comes through thinking with our hearts and not with words. Until then -
----------------- we'll light another candle for this world. -------------------
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Till 'Tillroy' Wagner <wagner@hera.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>
Elisabethenstr. 42f
63225 Langen
Germany
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 08:58:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: CD Set for trade
I don't know if it's full length. I haven't listened to it, I just saw
it at the expo, and it said it's from the milwaukee summerfest, which is
what LoS comes from.
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Bill Bajzek
impaler+@cmu.edu
verbing weirds language
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 9:02:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, POLITICAL SCIENCE '95" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject: MAJESTY DEMO CD FOR SALE
For sale
Majesty - The official 1986 Demo
on CD.
Brand New.
Email me if you are interested.
|I only have 1 of these available right now, so first come, first served.
Tim
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:54:19 -700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Pearson <jpearson@crash.cts.com>
Subject: Re: DT new release (fwd)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | ...To each other they will soon | epayne@su102b.ess.harris.com |
> | return. Destiny fulfilled, | Harris Corporation |
> | the words will burn... an | Melbourne, Fl |
> | eternal flame. | 32902 |
> | -------------------------------------|
> | <|> Journey From Mariabronn - Kansas <|> |
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What album is THAT on?
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 12:59:37 PDT
From: rtoscano@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Toscano)
Subject: Fates Warning
Just to confuse things, I would like to dissent on the standard Fates Warning
opinion that appears here. I do not like No Exit very much, but I like Awaken
the Guardian much better. The singer is different, and not as good, but he
writes better melodies. His name is John Arch. As for Arch's lyrics, they
do have that dungeons and dragons sort of feel, but I think they are better
than the lyrics on the later albums in that they actually mean something,
rather than being a pretentious sounding bunch of big words that mean
relatively little, like on later albums. Here is my ordering of the Fates
Warning albums that I have heard:
Perfect Symmetry
Parallels
Awaken the Guardian
No Exit
Night on Brocken
Don't bother with that last one. It sucks.
Rich
--
/\ Rich Toscano
/ \ rtoscano@icogsci1.ucsd.edu
/ \ \ -Guitarist of little or no note
/ ___\ \ -Evolver of dim-witted neural net creatures
/ / _____\
/_/________\ "Ook!" - Recital Boy
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 18:15:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, POLITICAL SCIENCE '95" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject: MORE INSTRUMENTAL AND DEMOS CD FOR SALE!
I just found out that my other source apparently
received a shipment of
INSTRUMENTAL: The 1987 recordings
Majesty Demos 1986
Both of these cd's are excellent quality and they look great!
I thought i had 2 of each originally but now i have about 5-7.
so email me if you would like one or the other or both.
Tim
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 15:42:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: Fates
On Thu, 9 Jun 1994 MikeP81576@aol.com wrote:
> I'm only sending this in response to all the positive Fates comments on the
> list lately. If I was unfamiliar with the group, and someone told me to get
> Parallels (which they did) and I raced out to buy it (which I did) and was
> really let down by it (which I was) I would have wanted to hear from someone
> who wasn't really into them.
>
> THESE ARE NOT FLAMES. DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING TO THEM - ARGUMENTS BORE ME
I hope these are not taken as flames, but another "point of view" as it
were...
>
> 1. The singer uses very strange phrasing - often drawing out words in the
> middle of each line in a verse, which doesn't help the vocal continuity.
I don't know if it's Alder or the writing, but I happen to like the
technique. With the odd time sigs that Fates uses I think it adds to the
continuity. I notice that most of theVocal Heavy DT stuff is in a
simpler time sig with the solos & stuff where they really go off, or
(like in surrounded) the vocals are fast & "short word"-y enough where
there is a logical pausing point to allow for the odder sigs. Since
Fates tends to be slower/more brooding, I think the odder emphasis on
syllables adds to the disturbing nature of their work.
>
> 2. A lot of songs start out like they will really kick butt - really up
> tempo. Then, about a minute into it, they hit the brakes and most of the
> songs get dark and moody.
You're right, different than DT. But there are faster songs on No Exit
and Perfect Symmetry. Parallels is slower than the other two, but adds a
certain continuity to the album as a whole. I like that.
>
> 3. Almost every song's lyrical content is centered around two people who
> can't communicate or have a troubled relationship. Not really my cup of tea.
In Parallels, yes. THey were all written by Matheos. And, since I
happen to have gone through a moody few weeks of having difficulty
communicatingh with someone, I've been listening to DFates about 10:1
over DT these days...
>
> Yeah, the band is great musically - a lot better than most of the fodder out
> there - but don't expect another DT. THERE IS ONLY ONE.
Each band has their merits. To me, DT has more of the intellectual and
"high" emotional significance, and Fates is more of the darker emotions.
To each his own. DT is still #1 because fo Kevin, though. :)
~Chris
> > Mike
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 22:01:40 -0500 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: a few things on Ytsejam 421
A few things on yesterday's Ytsejam...
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:44:37 -0500 (EDT)
> From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
> Subject: Dreambill
>
> I have a video boot of it and it looks like a really small place. I thought
> it would have been in a big theater or something.
Well, a few of my friends from school who are from NYC said that the
Limelight is a renovated old CHURCH... I believe that it is now a
dance club that occasionally has concerts... I know of a few other
boots that have come from the Limelight.... (including a Fates
Warning video that I have...)
> But what I really wanted to know was, do any of you have a copy of the
> program that they gave out? What is it like? Is there anyway you could
> scan a copy and upload it for us to check out?
>
Well, I don't have a copy of the actual thing, but here is a copy that
somone sent into Ytsejam a while ago... (this is from Ytsejam 382)
(as 10 other copies are posted... :)
It has become rather redundant to hail the vibrant originality of
every other band to release an album - nobody believes a word of it
any more, the claim's been heard so many times and true so few. It's
therefore rather difficult to muster the enthusiasm to make such a
claim when it IS justified - but what else can you possibly say about
a band which can combine elements of such diverse badns as Metallica
and Yes, in the same song no less, and make it all work?
DREAM THEATER's originality is not a calculated, cynical pose, rahter
it is the product of the open-midedness of this east coast-based five
piece, a willingness to consider ANYTHING as a viable element in their
wide-ranging forays though the realms of rock and roll. The band's
reverence for America's adventurous Dregs, Kansas, Zappa and for
England's progressive rockers of the seventies becomes clear with
undertones of Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd - to
name but a few! - all evident within the far-reaching boundaries of
DREAM THATER's music; but this is not a band trading on memories
instead they are as firmly contemporary and as innovative as any
pioneering act you'd care to name. Dream Theater belong alongside the
few who are accepted and acknowledged for pushing the boundaries -
Queensryche, Metallica, Rush, and King's X.
The evidence is clearly audible on the band's brave, stridently unique
Atco debut "Images & Words," produced by David Prater (Firehouse).
'Learning to Live', the self-described "quintessential Dream Theater
epic" covers everything from metal to jazz in it twelve minutes and
serves as the ideal primer for the uninitiated, opening the door to
styles ranging from the metallic ('Pull Me Under', 'Under a Glass
Moon'), to the melodic ('Another Day', 'Surrounded') and the epic
('Metropolis','Take the Time').
The road leading to this point in Dream Theater's career has been long
and arduous, marked by frustrations and disappointments, but the band
is all the stronger for it. The lyrics for 'Take the Time' take a
somewhat autobiographical look back, and it's perhaps no coincidence
that the lyrical themes on most of the album revolve around loss and
sorrow and the development of strength and character that can result
from addressing such issues rather than running from them.
The band was first put together by Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, and
John Myung while all were studying at the Berklee College of Music,
subsequently drafting in old school friend Kevin Moore.
With a song count of only eight, "Images & Words" encompasses nearly
one hour's worth of music. Indeed, it's so eventual and eternally
fascinating that it will be one of the shortest sixty minutes you'll
ever spend listening to music. The tag of 'progressive metal' will
be supplied by many and drummer Portnoy is not about to disown it,
but points out that there's a lot more to Dream Theater than such a
label might imply.
"We're not a throwback," he insists. We've incorporated all
the elements of modern metal into what we do. Although, we did grow
up listening to Rush, Genesis, Yes, and The Dregs, we're not
going to deny that our sound is reminiscent of those bands, but we
also listened to bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Metallica
and today's music is potentially just as influential on what we do."
The band is not apologetic about all the traditional rules that have
been broken in putting together "Images & Words." Sticking to the
rules of song structure and length is one good way of being just like
everybody else and Portnoy is insistent that Dream Theater's tunes -
all of them written in a rehearsal situation, with the players
working spontaneously off each other's ideas and themes, are only as
long as they have to be.
"We start a song and wherever it goes, we go. We never set out to
write an involved ten-minute song, but sometimes it takes that long
to fully get an idea across and if you listen to our tunes I don't
think you'll find any dead weight in them. Why should we limit our
ideas to being exressed in four minutes?"
> ------------------------------
Just a few other things... First off, has anyone else heard from the
fan club? I want to join, but at the same time, very few people have
heard from them...
Second, I just wanted to let everyone know that the band definatly
knows about out existance... I was talking (well, emailing) that
person whose roommate is DT's tour manager, and when I mentioned
ytsejam, they told me that they had heard of us, and then when I saked
how, they said that their roommate mentioned us, and that the guys do
know about us...
Anyway, that's it for now...
--
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| This world is spinning around me |
| This world is spinning without me |
| Every day sends future to past |
| Every breath leaves me one less to my last |
| Dream Theater Pull Me Under Images and Words |
| Michael Burstin Brandeis University |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:10:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fates
Excerpts from mail: 10-Jun-94 Re: Fates by Christopher T. Oates@cat
> Each band has their merits. To me, DT has more of the intellectual and
> "high" emotional significance, and Fates is more of the darker emotions.
> To each his own. DT is still #1 because fo Kevin, though. :)
Damn straight.
I think Fates is a great band. Alder's a better singer, but Arch did
write some damn good melodies..."The Apparition" off of the Spectre
Within is a case in point...anyway, Fates is a lot darker than DT, and
Parallels in particular is slow in a lot of places...maybe even
enervating (cool, haven't used that word in a while). I would probably
recommend Perfect Symmetry or No Exit for a beginner...Symmetry is a
must-have for a DT fan anyway, as Kevin plays on track 5...
Anyone notice the DT track-5 phenomenon? Seems that the best track on a
DT disc is always 5...Light Fuse and Get Away, Metropolis, the Killing
Hand...well, never mind, that's just my opinion...all the other tracks
are always brilliant too, anyway...
max
No no no, you don't understand...when I'm here, at night, alone, this
world is mine...reality conforms to what I want it to be. If I say
something is cool, then it is. And in my world, hanging upside down like
a bat is not just cool, it's practically heroism.
p.s. I need a drummer, bad. Mail me for info.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:28:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Saga
This is in response to anyone who wants to know more about Saga. They
are still together, but their latest are not anything like those metal
groups you mentioned. The newest, Steel Umbrellas, is pretty poppy, and
probably wouldn't interest that many people here. The one before that,
Security of Illusion, from '93, is pretty good. Lots of guitar crunch on
that one. But the best to start off with either Worlds Apart or Silent
Knight. In fact any from 78-83 are great, which would include their
self-titled first, Images at Twilight, Silent Knight, Worlds Apart, In
Transit (live), and Heads or Tales. If you like all those, then add
Beginner's Guide to Throwing Shapes and Behavior. Steel Umbrellas and
Wildest Dreams are for completists only, IMO.
Alan
______________________________________________________________________________
Alan Mallery |
(ajmaller@ouray.denver.colorado.edu) | (insert quote here)
(Emerson@aol.com) |
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