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Re: A Change Of Seasons (Lars"ORION"Karlsson <tie9101@abacus.hgs.se>)
Re: A Change Of Seasons (AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 339 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
RE: wondering stuff... (AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK)
Re: AOL's opinions on DT (JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>)
Special Apearance???? (pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty))
RE: wondering stuff... (I LOVE PICKLES <SCRIVANO_GAR@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: album titles. (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song" (whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White))
Re: various comments (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: wondering stuff... (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song" (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
RE: wondering stuff... ("From the land of corn and physics...")
Re: various comments (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: various comments (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: various comments (The Ancient Mariner <maxk@leland.stanford.edu>)
P vs. P (MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU)
bootlegs (Lars"ORION"Karlsson <tie9101@abacus.hgs.se>)
Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song" ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:39:26 +0100 (MET)
From: Lars"ORION"Karlsson <tie9101@abacus.hgs.se>
Subject: Re: A Change Of Seasons
>
> I was just wondering, have any of you ever seen or heard A Change Of
> Seasons (lyrically, not on demos) done anywhere besides on Dances Of
> Eternity or the vocalist audition tapes (that I sent to some of you)?
> Just strange that they did it only once, you know...
When I spoke to Petrucci in Stockholm in October, I asked if they were
going to play the song. Then he told me that they only had played it 2-3
times live. In NY and in Berlin and one more place.
--***************************************************************************** * Lars Karlsson ** Sandviken ** SWEDEN ** email: tie9101@abacus.HGS.se * *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* ** Dream Theater ** Saigon Kick ** Led Zeppelin ** Metallica * Deep Purple ** ** MAGELLAN ** SHADOW GALLERY ** DAN REED NETWORK ** AC DC * BLACK SABBATH ** ** Queensryche ** Galactic Cowboys ** Rush ** Psychotic Waltz ** Rainbow *** *****************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:05 GMT From: AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK Subject: Re: A Change Of Seasons
>I was just wondering, have any of you ever seen or heard A Change Of >Seasons (lyrically, not on demos) done anywhere besides on Dances Of >Eternity or the vocalist audition tapes (that I sent to some of you)? >Just strange that they did it only once, you know...
It`s on the Live In Long Island bootleg, the very last live song on disc 2, just before the 4 majesty demo`s I know it`s been done at least a few times live...
Clive.
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 04:41:46 MST From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 339
Whoever said Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John Myung is high.
First, this whole Rush/DT thing is bogus. They are totally different.
When was the last time Rush did anything even close to progressive? Great band, but they are more standardized than DT are. And when you are one of three people, you have lots of room to fill up the song. Lee lines are big, but I've yet to see him solo with Myung's ability. If Myung was given the room, I'm sure he'd be able to fill it up. One only needs to look at some of the stuff he does in Take the Time and Metropolis to see how great he is.
I love Rush, but their albums are progressive in the sense Empire or Parallels is progressive, not like I&W is. They aren't really the same... Anyone who buys a Rush album expecting to hear DT is going to be sorry.
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:47 GMT From: AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK Subject: RE: wondering stuff...
>I know that they don't always play the long version of To Live Forever. >Does anyone know if the end has a special name or anything?
According to LaBrie To Live Forever is only 4 or 5 minutes long.. the bit at the end, which is on the Live In Tokyo video, is actually John Petrucci`s guitar solo, the same way as Portnoy had a drum solo in the middle of Ytsejam...
Anybody know what the bit at the start of Take The Time on the video is called?
Also, does anybody else think, that the choice of songs for the video could have been better?.. i.e *I`d* like to have seen The Killing Hand and Learning To Live rather than the drum solo and Fortune In Lies.
Clive.
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 09:02:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Subject: Re: AOL's opinions on DT
If you are going to take the time to give us your opinion at least get the facts straight. Lets start with your statement about Kevin Moore. Just from reading this mailing list you would know that one of his biggest influences is Jens Johansen (sp?) from Yngwie Malmsteem. A GREAT keyboard player. The only differnece is that Johansen is in a more limiting situation then Moore. (Not to say Malmsteen's music is limited in scope, he is one of my favorites, just that Dt is more diverse.) If you had taken the time to compare the two keyboardists for even a min you would notice a definite similarity in their styles. Yngwie is acclaimed to be one of the fastest guitar players around. (BTW he is also very melodic and a very strong song writer) Jens Johansen has to be able to play his keyboard solo's at a similar speed with good harmonic qualities. And he does do with ease. Also a lot of the keyboard parts, especially those that harmonize withe the gutarist (John Petrucci) are reminicent of Malsteem-johansen.
See ya Tom Menegatos
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 09:30 EST From: pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com (Pat Daugherty) Subject: Special Apearance????
I read in this months issue of ROX, a local (Balt/DC) HR/HM newspaper that DT, along with Glenn Hughes and Sebastian Bach made special appearances at the Ray Gillen tribute somewhere in NY on Feb 9. Did anybody else hear about this or know of any boots from it?
--Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 9:40:03 -0500 (EST) From: I LOVE PICKLES <SCRIVANO_GAR@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: RE: wondering stuff...
The Gorilla Session is a John Petrucci solo. I have it on one of my bootleg tapes. As for the Gates of Babylon well, I can't say that I know what that is. My guess would be another guitar solo. As far as Metropolis being their first song, every concert that I've seen them play it's been their opening song ( I saw them play live twice ). Also all the bootleg stuff I have of them starts out with Metropolis. Personally I've never heard the intro to Metropolis (not that I can recall!) later, Gary
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: album titles.
Excerpts from mail: 7-Mar-94 album titles. by hartman larry@gl.umbc.ed > > I don't know about a name for the next album but my friend and I think that > the Live in Tokyo video should have been called... > "The John Petrucci Show!!" > > Maybe the next album could be called... > "We finally got John locked up in a closet so the rest of us can show-off too!" > > Or maybe... > "Jesus Christ John! End the damn solo already!" >
actually, according to john it's "Barf Bag", because he wrote down the arrangement on a barf bag on an ariplane coming home from his honeymoon... this comes from his column in guitar world.
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:52:12 EST From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) Subject: Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song"
I don't know, when I first got I&W, I used to listen to Surrounded over and over and over too. I think that's one of the best on the tape. LtL is also an awesome song, but I think Another Day and Surrounded are better. And possibly Status Seeker... *ponder* Not sure about that thoguh(ev3en though it's my fave song onWD&DU). But you're right, it is great. Chris
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:45:17 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: various comments
> > > >Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John > >Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy > > Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee > doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how > anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical > standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a > "fact."
Sorry about that, I just use the word fact a bit too frivolously, and I didn't intend any derision by it. Have you ever heard a Rush song called La Villa Strangiato or one called YYZ? Believe me, I think Myung is a spectacular bassist, but hearing those two alone by Rush just decides it outright... yep he's THAT good...
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:47:21 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: wondering stuff...
> > I was just curious and wanted to know if when DT does Take the Time live, > to they always play the big solo part at the end? If not, how do they end? > > I know that they don't always play the long version of To Live Forever. > Does anyone know if the end has a special name or anything?
The long instrumental section at the end of To Live Forever on the video, is called Moon Bubbles at other shows. It changes very little in structure from show to show, but Petrucci improvises the phrasing.
> Has DT ever done Metropolis live but not as the 1st song in the set? > Also, have the ever PLAYED the intro to Metro? Rather than using a tape > that is. I have an older Bootleg like from '89 w/ Charlie and they played > the inrto. I wanted to know if they have done it recently.
On the tour '93 when I saw them twice, they appeared to be playing it. Moore started with Portnoy on the "jingles"... then a bit later Petrucci steps in and plays that chunky quick riff... etc.
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 13:36:54 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song"
> > Hi all... you know... the more that I listen to Learning To Live, the > more that I think that it is an absolutly perfect song. I can just > sit there, and listen to it for hours, and never even get tired of it. > Is there any other song out there (DT or others) that you can do this > for? Sure, I can listen to DoE for hours at a time, but I just can > listen to LtL for hours straight... anyone else out there with the > same feeling? LtL just flows perfectly... the keys, the guitar, the > bass, the lyrics, the drums, everything is just perfect about it...
Indeed, there are very few songs that sound "Perfect" in their original form...
Rush "La Villa Strangiato" DT "Learning to Live" Company of Wolves "Call of the Wild" Galactic Cowboys "Blind"
not too many... Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 13:21:15 C From: "From the land of corn and physics..." Subject: RE: wondering stuff...
>Has DT ever done Metropolis live but not as the 1st song in the set?
Last May, when Dream Theater played in Albany, NY, they opened with Learning To Live, then played Metropolis later in the show.
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 94 15:57:43 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: various comments
Well, while we're discussing concerts, I just wanted to say that the DT light show was the MOST amazing thing I've seen. For a large part of the show it looked like they actually had light triggers hooked up to Portney's drum set. Anyone know if this was the case?
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:28:25 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: various comments
>>Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John >>Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy
>Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee >doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how >anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical >standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a >"fact."
HAHAHAHA! Doesn't come close to Myung? Have you read the DT FAQ? Who inspired whom? Obviously you haven't heard much Rush. Go listen to YYZ (I do admit Ytse jam is right up there with it, though) or Animate and then try to tell me the same thing. If you still don't believe it, read any numerous articles in various guitar mags over the years, etc...etc... Sorry, I side with Mike.
There. Justice is served. This is for all the arguments over people telling us to "shut the hell up about DT!" on alt.music.rush.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: The Ancient Mariner <maxk@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: various comments
> >It would be interesting > >to see what they could do in a larger hall with lights and lasers. > >Let's hope they sell enough albums in the future for us to find out. > > I'd much prefer to see them in small venues. When I see DT, I want to be > able to get a seat in the first two rows, like I did last time.
Seat? Do you like to sit during a concert? I'd much rather see them in a large concert hall with a huge crowd, so that the whole place could go wild instead of "sitting" anywhere.
Max
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 1994 19:27:19 -0500 From: MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Subject: P vs. P
Not to start a flame war, but comparing Portnoy and Peart on the virtues of their soloing is pretty pointless. Yes, Peart's playing (soloing anyway) may be more musical, but he also can spend $100 grand and have midi out the wazoo.
Portnoy's playing is so strong because he can effortlessly weave in and out of some pretty manic time and tempo shifts. And although I love Rush too, their compositions, while using unconventional time signatures also, do not (and have not in the past) been of the same complexity of DTs. I don't think Portnoy has the sweat comparisons.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 02:02:20 +0100 (MET) From: Lars"ORION"Karlsson <tie9101@abacus.hgs.se> Subject: bootlegs
Hello! Are there some of you who had trouble with their bootlegs? Maybe its just my CD-player but for example the first DoE disc is very hard to start and when I change tracks it often stops. Its the same thing with some other bootlegs. Does anyone else had these problems? But its the best bootleg I've ever heard. :) And there is no wrong with the case.
As I wrote some weeks ago I've recorded the DT radioshow from Stockholm in October and I've already traded it with some of you but I lost some email-addresses. So if you mail me again I'll be glad to trade it. The setlist from that show:
Metropolis Mission Impossible Afterlife Under a glass moon Wait for sleep Surrounded -swedish comments- Take the time Pull me under
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***************************************************************************** * Lars Karlsson ** Sandviken ** SWEDEN ** email: tie9101@abacus.HGS.se * *---------------------------------------------------------------------------* ** Dream Theater ** Saigon Kick ** Led Zeppelin ** Metallica * Deep Purple ** ** MAGELLAN ** SHADOW GALLERY ** DAN REED NETWORK ** AC DC * BLACK SABBATH ** ** Queensryche ** Galactic Cowboys ** Rush ** Psychotic Waltz ** Rainbow *** *****************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 00:39:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song"
I agree, the song is totally killer!!! I can do the same thing with the LIT video, every time I watch the thing I learn something new about the music. Another song that I think is like that (and this is just my opinion), is "Suite Sister Mary" by Queensryche of of Operation Mindcrime, the song isn't quite as good, but it is another one that is just totally killer!!! Also, to change genres of music, "Cristoferi's Dream" by David Lanz (I Think) is a way cool song, very melodic, with a few twists here and there, but it's more of an easy listening type of thing. The cool thing about LtL is that it's so long that by the time it ends, you're ready to hear the beginning again, and of course after hearing that part again, you must listen to the rest of the song, and it becomes a vicious cycle. I think it's cool that somebody took the time (no pun intended) to bring this to my attention, because I never really thought about why I listened to the song multiple times in a row, or heck, I can't help but to listen to the entire album many times in a row!!! If I had any say so on what DT's new album should be called, it would definetly be "Revolutionarily Complex (in a certain sort of way)" just for the diversity of the title, it kind of goes along with the "Balls and Chunk" kind of thing, but it strays from expressing an ego. That's all for now!!!
On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Michael Burstin wrote:
> Hi all... you know... the more that I listen to Learning To Live, the > more that I think that it is an absolutly perfect song. I can just > sit there, and listen to it for hours, and never even get tired of it. > Is there any other song out there (DT or others) that you can do this > for? Sure, I can listen to DoE for hours at a time, but I just can > listen to LtL for hours straight... anyone else out there with the > same feeling? LtL just flows perfectly... the keys, the guitar, the > bass, the lyrics, the drums, everything is just perfect about it... > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | > | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | > | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | > | In learning to live | > | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | > | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu > > >
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