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Bootlegs in London (tijuha@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Haanpdd))
Re: various comments (Steinar Eriksen (ITL Agency) <i-steine@microsoft.com>)
Returned mail (UCX_SMTP@hirama.hiram.edu)
Re: AOL's opinions on DT (J|rgen Bergstr|m <tdi9116@abacus.hgs.se>)
Re: various comments ("AN ANGEL'S KISS...NOW FALLEN...." <ABALKIEW@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>)
DT Demo (Brent Phillips <panther@clove.lcs.mit.edu>)
RE: wondering stuff... (ibmcan!greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee))
unsubscribe (thecompany@aol.com)
Rumors/base players (mwibach@students.wisc.edu (Michael Ibach))
Re: AOL's opinions on DT (ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (Dave Re))
Re: P vs. Pt (ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (Dave Re))
Re: P vs. P ("Jeff Gray" <jgray@ichips.intel.com>)
Lee and Myung (smonroe@n33.stortek.com)
re:Various Comments ("james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca>)
T-Shirt (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 340 (mozo21@aol.com)
DT: Live in Osaka ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song" (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Bassists (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: bootlegs (svanhooser@aol.com)
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:07:20 +0200
From: tijuha@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Haanpdd)
Subject: Bootlegs in London
Can I find anyone here that would know about a good record store in London
(eg. one that's selling Bootlegs such as Dance of Eternity..)? Any help
is helpful. ;)
-- tijuha@freenet.hut.fi + "Through different eyes we keep looking for (Timo Haanpaa) + what we lack."------------------------------
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:37:54 TZ From: Steinar Eriksen (ITL Agency) <i-steine@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: various comments
Oh come on! I don't think there are too many of us who are able to determine who's the better of these musicians. Personally I prefer (by far) the DT guys, but that's not saying that one or the other are the best musicians; simply that I like DT's music a lot more.
Cheers,
Steinar Eriksen, Norway ---------- | From: Michael Bahr <netmail!garion@id1.indirect.com> | To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@bnf.com> | Subject: Re: various comments | Date: 8. March 1994 14:50 | | Received: from uu2.psi.com by netmail.microsoft.com with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) | id AA06218; Wed, 9 Mar 94 03:17:32 -0800 | Received: from bnf.UUCP by uu2.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; | id AA21891 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 94 00:03:03 -0500 | Received: by bnf.com (4.1/Ken-1.0b) | id AA20636; Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:50:21 PST | Errors-To: netmail!grendel@qualcomm.com | Message-Id: <199403081845.LAA01655@id1.indirect.com> | Originator: ytsejam@bnf.com | Errors-To: netmail!ytsejam-owner@bnf.com | Sender: netmail!ytsejam@bnf.com | Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas | | > | > | > >Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John | > >Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy | > | > Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee | > doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how | > anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical | > standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a | > "fact." | | Sorry about that, I just use the word fact a bit too frivolously, | and I didn't intend any derision by it. Have you ever heard a Rush song | called La Villa Strangiato or one called YYZ? Believe me, I think Myung | is a spectacular bassist, but hearing those two alone by Rush just | decides it outright... yep he's THAT good... | | Mike/garion@indirect.com | |
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Contents: Live in Long Island (stefan-a@dsv.su.se) Change Of Seasons on New Album?? (AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK) Re: YTSEJAM digest 338 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>) (Steven Hall <hall@cs.uwp.edu>) A Change Of Seasons (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>) Re: A Change Of Seasons (Aaron Lafferty <lafferty@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>) Is Learning To Live a "perfect song" (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>) master's degrees? (lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland)) album titles. (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>) wondering stuff... (hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>) various comments (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 09:03:10 +0100 From: stefan-a@dsv.su.se Subject: Live in Long Island
Hello!
I have a copy of "Live in Long Island" that I want to trade. I'm interested in demos with DT. If interested, please e-mail me at: stefan-a@dsv.su.se Here's some more info on the disc: - Live in Sparks Club 04.10.1992 - Sheet contains band history written in German (!) - Track listing: 1. Intro 2. Metropolis part 1 3. Under a glass moon 4. Only a matter of time 5. Surrounded 6. Pull me under (mislabeled as "Status seeker"...) 7. The ytse jam 8. Guitar solo 9. Another day 10. The killing hand
Stefan
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:06 GMT From: AMG0033@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK Subject: Change Of Seasons on New Album??
lerxst@COM.Esy writes:
>"A Change of Seasons"-would be nice to call the album this, too, no? >"Carpe Diem"-taken from "ACOS", ok, cliche, but cool
mikeb@edu.brandeis.cs writes:
>[I replied to let them know that ACOS was scheduled for inclusion, as >well as Forever and Eve]
Don`t be under the illsuion that A Change Of Seasons WILL definitely be on the new album... same goes for all the other songs they`ve played live since Images And Words... according to an Interview I read, LaBrie said that the stuff played on the tour wouldn`t appear on the album, and I take that to mean the instrumentals, and To Live Forever and possibly A Change Of Seasons...... it will probably depend on how much new material they write... Of course it`d be cool to see these tracks on the new album, just don`t bank on it...
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:49:33 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 338
> > Hey, FAQ guy: > > The least you could do is give me credit, since you insist on using > my "Dream Theater" graphic...
Consider it done! Sorry to seem indifferent to it... I had simply forgotten where I saw that graphic when I made my attempt at copying it.
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:06:35 -0600 (CST) From: Steven Hall <hall@cs.uwp.edu> Subject:
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:24:21 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: A Change Of Seasons
I was just wondering, have any of you ever seen or heard A Change Of Seasons (lyrically, not on demos) done anywhere besides on Dances Of Eternity or the vocalist audition tapes (that I sent to some of you)? Just strange that they did it only once, you know...
Oh, one last unrelated note... 4 days until RUSH!!!
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 21:35:10 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Lafferty <lafferty@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu> Subject: Re: A Change Of Seasons
On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Michael Burstin wrote:
> I was just wondering, have any of you ever seen or heard A Change Of > Seasons (lyrically, not on demos) done anywhere besides on Dances Of > Eternity or the vocalist audition tapes (that I sent to some of you)? > Just strange that they did it only once, you know... > > Oh, one last unrelated note... 4 days until RUSH!!! >
hmm could i get a copy of those vocalist audition tapes
"So, so you think you can tell, heaven from hell, blue skies from pain... can you tell a green field, from a cold steel rail, a smile from a veil... Do you think you can tell?"
Aaron
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 22:30:40 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song"
Hi all... you know... the more that I listen to Learning To Live, the more that I think that it is an absolutly perfect song. I can just sit there, and listen to it for hours, and never even get tired of it. Is there any other song out there (DT or others) that you can do this for? Sure, I can listen to DoE for hours at a time, but I just can listen to LtL for hours straight... anyone else out there with the same feeling? LtL just flows perfectly... the keys, the guitar, the bass, the lyrics, the drums, everything is just perfect about it...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 22:46:16 CST From: lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland) Subject: master's degrees?
well, mike, i think your aol friends have been smoking a little too much of the good stuff. not only did the band say that they only spent a semester at berklee, but if wdadu was their master's degree project or whatever, then wouldn't the guys have been getting their master's degree at around 20 or 21 years of age. i knew they were geniuses, but hey!!! :)
makes you see how widespread weird rumors are.
(nitpicking because i am bored)
**************************************************************************** *Brian V. Cox *"You and I long to live like wind upon the water* *Texas A&M University * If we close our eyes, we'll maybe realize * *(214)553-9159 * There's more to life than what we have known * *lerxst@esy.com * And I can't believe I spent so long * *************************** Living lies I knew were wrong inside * * "What you believe is * I've just begun to see the light..." * * What you are...Therefore* -Queensryche "Anybody Listening?" * * I am nothing" -Brian * "Machines have no conscience..." -Qryche NM156 * ****************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:05:12 -0500 (EST) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: album titles.
I don't know about a name for the next album but my friend and I think that the Live in Tokyo video should have been called... "The John Petrucci Show!!"
Maybe the next album could be called... "We finally got John locked up in a closet so the rest of us can show-off too!"
Or maybe... "Jesus Christ John! End the damn solo already!"
Just kidding!! I wish the next album would be one long solo similar to the end of To Live Forever.
I was wondering if DT ever considered the possiblity of the next album contain TWO cd's? Cause if they do stick ACoS and Forever on there... That like 25-30 mins already. That gives them less than 45 for the rest of the album. That would suck!
See ya!
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * Find all you need in your mind, if you Take the Time - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> Subject: wondering stuff...
I was just curious and wanted to know if when DT does Take the Time live, to they always play the big solo part at the end? If not, how do they end?
I know that they don't always play the long version of To Live Forever. Does anyone know if the end has a special name or anything?
What is the Gorilla Session?
What is The Gates of Babylon?
Has DT ever done Metropolis live but not as the 1st song in the set? Also, have the ever PLAYED the intro to Metro? Rather than using a tape that is. I have an older Bootleg like from '89 w/ Charlie and they played the inrto. I wanted to know if they have done it recently.
See ya!
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> Subject: various comments
>Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John >Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy
Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a "fact."
>It would be interesting >to see what they could do in a larger hall with lights and lasers. >Let's hope they sell enough albums in the future for us to find out.
I'd much prefer to see them in small venues. When I see DT, I want to be able to get a seat in the first two rows, like I did last time.
-max ----------------- You've gotta understand that this is home, and there's no tomorrow-land, and that I ain't Captain Walker.
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:36:14 +0100 (MET) From: J|rgen Bergstr|m <tdi9116@abacus.hgs.se> Subject: Re: AOL's opinions on DT
You can't compare 2 drummers listening to their drum solos.
I think the drummer in my band has a better drum solo than Portnoy
Wow ! I didn't realize we have the best drummer in the world !
J.B
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 1994 09:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "AN ANGEL'S KISS...NOW FALLEN...." <ABALKIEW@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Subject: Re: various comments
Seats? I remember seeing DT at the Manhattan Center (w/ Damn the Machine) - and there were no seats.....the crowd was insane when DT came on - it came to the point where people were actually stage-diving to stuff like "Surrounded" - jst totally weird....even Mr. LaBrie got pissed at a point and, after throwing one dude off the stage after being bumped into (which was great!), he basically said "Calm down, or we won't (be able to) continue. The point here though is that seats are not necessary - and actually aare a hindrance - to the crowd atmosphere. Seats are for like Michael Bolton concerts, not for DT or anyone that plays this kind of music. If you sit at a DT show, then stay home and listen to it in your bedroom.....
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:27:51 -0500 From: Brent Phillips <panther@clove.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: DT Demo
Someone posted that a song called "Gates of Babylon" was on one of the demo tapes. Is this an original, or a cover of the old Rainbow tune "Gates of Babylon"? Just curious, since the Rainbow song is one of my favorites and I'd love to hear DT doing it.
- Brent
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 9:33:38 EST From: ibmcan!greg@hal.tor.canisc.ibm.com (Greg "Big Brother" Lee) Subject: RE: wondering stuff...
> Also, does anybody else think, that the choice of songs for the video > could have been better?.. i.e *I`d* like to have seen The Killing > Hand and Learning To Live rather than the drum solo and Fortune In Lies. > > > Clive.
Just picked up the video here in Toronto last night at HMV. Under a Glass Moon sounded so brutal! I would have liked to have seen Metropolis on there of course...only my fav DT song! The Killing Hand would have been great too! We'll just never be satisfied. I must say I really loved watching John play the bass. That guy is just sick!
Later!
Greg.
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 12:37:47 EST From: thecompany@aol.com Subject: unsubscribe
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:38:40 -0600 From: mwibach@students.wisc.edu (Michael Ibach) Subject: Rumors/base players
Virgin Post.
First of all, about the time that Images and Words came out, I herd a radio station in Milwaukee say that all the guys in Dream Theater had master degrees. I guess the rumor was pretty wide spread.
Second, I agree that Geddy Lee is a better bass player, but it's close. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --"Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves." "Witch Hunt", RUSH. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neromancer
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:01:34 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (Dave Re) Subject: Re: AOL's opinions on DT
> is Jens Johansen (sp?) from Yngwie Malmsteem. A GREAT keyboard player. The > only differnece is that Johansen is in a more limiting situation then Moore. > (Not to say Malmsteen's music is limited in scope, he is one of my favorites, > just that Dt is more diverse.) If you had taken the time to compare the two
Uh, well, he (Jens) *was* still in a *very* limiting situation with Yngwie. You need to keep your facts straight, too. Jens is no longer with Yngwie, and hasn't been with him since Odyssey (that's, what, 3 albums ago??) Plus, with Yngwie, all of those musicians are playing what is dictated to them, not parts that they really came up with.
> styles. Yngwie is acclaimed to be one of the fastest guitar players around. > (BTW he is also very melodic and a very strong song writer) Jens Johansen has
I'd agree with the fact that he's very melodic and emotional, but a strong songwriter??? God, get out of town, man. You *obviously* haven't heard his last two (three?) albums. They *suck*. Period. The songs are cheesy. He's playing the same exact parts that he played on earlier albums (like he can't come up with a solo anymore). Now, his writing, on, say, Rising Force, was a hell of a lot better. I'd say that applies to the first three albums (add on Marching Out, and Trilogy). After that, though, it was a steep downhill shot. Maybe he should have stayed in that coma???? :)
-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Huh huh. You want cash, or should we go spank the monkey again? Huh Huh." "Beating heads on the Early Warning soul train..........." "Huh huh. He's fallen, and he can't get it up. Huh huh..."
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu (Dave Re) Subject: Re: P vs. Pt
> Not to start a flame war, but comparing Portnoy and Peart on the virtues of > their soloing is pretty pointless. Yes, Peart's playing (soloing anyway) may > be more musical, but he also can spend $100 grand and have midi out the > wazoo.
As a musician (and a drummer :), let me say a couple things here. First off, Peart's solos generally have very few spontaneous bits in them. He's just thrown together this *thing* through the ages. Doesn't matter that he's got electronics, cause he's still playing the stuff. But, he's playing the *same damn thing* *EVERY NIGHT*. His solo is definately *NOT* a "traditional" solo, in the sense of, "Ok, solo time, bang away". hence, I personally get real bored with Peart's solos, cause I've heard 95% of it before. Hell, I've got it on album, and can listen to it any time I want.
Most other musicians will play something loosely organized (INO, they have some definate things they want to play) and they just jam their way through the spots, spontaneously. Therefore, every night the solo is different. You could have ten recordings from the tour of that person's solos and they'd all be different, except for the places that he/she had already planned out. Now, can you guess what kind of player Mikey is??? heh. Every solo I've heard that man play has been mostly off the cuff. I've been nothing but amazed at his musicality. He's one of the rare ones that can make a melody on his kit, and still keep the rhythm on underneath, *and* make it sound good and original. Somehow (after seeing a tape or two of him trying desparately to do it) I don't think Mr. Peart can do such a thing and make it work.
> (and have not in the past) been of the same complexity of DTs. I don't think > Portnoy has the sweat comparisons.
Sweat comparisons????? Since when does sweat have anything to do with drumming ability??? If it does, hell I must be great!! :)
-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Huh huh. You want cash, or should we go spank the monkey again? Huh Huh." "Beating heads on the Early Warning soul train..........." "Huh huh. He's fallen, and he can't get it up. Huh huh..."
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeff Gray" <jgray@ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: P vs. P
> Not to start a flame war, but comparing Portnoy and Peart on the virtues of > their soloing is pretty pointless.
I agree. But based on what they play in a song context, I'd say Peart still outshines Portnoy. A drummer I used to play with (all of 19 years old and AMAZING) had the following comment about Portnoy: "Play a FILL for once, would you?!?!" Portnoy is very accurate with rhythms and timing, all of DT has shown great ability to play extremely tight on very complex (for rock) material, but the scope of what Portnoy does is rather limited. It usually doesn't stray too far from the bass and snare, and the rhythms are usually locked in with the rest of the band.
> Portnoy's playing is so strong because he can effortlessly weave in and out > of some pretty manic time and tempo shifts. And although I love Rush too, > their compositions, while using unconventional time signatures also, do not > (and have not in the past) been of the same complexity of DTs.
In my opinion you (and others in the Myung/Lee comparison thread) are not distinguishing what Rush CAN do as opposed to what they CHOOSE to do. There is little doubt in my mind that Neil could duplicate anything Portnoy can play, or vice versa. Whether Portnoy can "compose" his drum parts with the same imagination and variety as Peart remains to be seen. I'm not saying he can't, he just hasn't yet.
- jeff
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:14:44 -0700 From: smonroe@n33.stortek.com Subject: Lee and Myung
On Tue, 8 Mar 94 14:51:48 PST in Message <9403082228.AA15484@fas2.lsil.com> zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) writes...
/>>Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John />>Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy / />Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee />doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how />anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical />standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a />"fact." / /HAHAHAHA! Doesn't come close to Myung? Have you read the DT FAQ? /Who inspired whom? Obviously you haven't heard much Rush. Go ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wait a minute...just because Geddy inspired MULTITUDES, doesn't mean that those that come later cannot have far more technique. Since musicality is subjective, let's not discuss that. Let's just talk about technique. Geddy is a pioneer. For many years he was THE leading edge in Rock/Progressive bass. Nearly two decades later, Geddy is just an also ran. That's not a derisive comment, just observed facts...From watching people play live, and talking to them, guys that have only been playing three years are playing stuff like YYZ, and in MOST instances, YYZ itself. To play like Myung requires a LOT more digital facility. Plain and simple: He wiggles his fingers faster, and more accurately. From a technique standpoint, Myung has eclipsed Geddy easily. There is just no contest (which is pretty ridculuous anyway). From a SOUND standpoint, as long as Geddy persists in using Fender/Rickenbacker (should have stuck with the Steinberger) instruments, Myung will ALWAYS have better sound: It's hard to beat the sound of a Tobias...pretty close to impossible (although a Zon would).
/listen to YYZ (I do admit Ytse jam is right up there with it, though) /or Animate and then try to tell me the same thing. If you still /don't believe it, read any numerous articles in various guitar mags /over the years, etc...etc... Sorry, I side with Mike.
Again, let me mention that Geddy has been extremely influential to me as a player over the years (I started listening to Rush when "Fly By Night" was released). But in an absolute sense, Geddy Lee is a pretty average player when taken in context with what has gone before and what is taking place now (Jaco Pastorius, Victor Wooten, Michael Manring, etc). For all intents and purposes, in that context (and with that level of skill out there) Geddy is a singer.
/There. Justice is served. This is for all the arguments over people /telling us to "shut the hell up about DT!" on alt.music.rush. / /Zach
One final question: what constitutes "better"? If it's raw technique, both Portnoy and Myung have bested their respective players in Rush. If it's musicality, that's another matter entirely, and might even vary from song to song.
sjm
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:30:00 +0000 From: "james (j.) wolf" <jwolf@bnr.ca> Subject: re:Various Comments
In message "various comments", Stephen Bajzek writes:
> >Well, other than the fact that Geddy Lee is a better bassist than John > >Myung, and that Neil Peart is easily a better drummer than Portnoy > > Not. At least, not "facts." From what I've heard of Rush, Geddy Lee > doesn't come close to Myung. And to be honest, I can't imagine how > anyone could be "better" than Myung, at least from a technical > standpoint. Definitely not by a margin significant enough to make it a > "fact."
I have to agree that it's not clear cut as to who the better bass player is. Their styles are very different to begin with. Geddy tends to be "line" and "fill" oriented-he'll be playing along and will through in cool fills at the end of some measures. John is much more of a time keeper. He'll play the the same note in fast triplets or 16th notes while Portnoy double this on the bass drums. At other times, John also does some two-hand stuff and will also do some unison stuff with John P.
Each are a function of their band. John has more guys (=more sound) in his band, so he can't always be as busy as Geddy. But make no mistake, John lays down a wickedly solid groove for the rest of the boys to play over. Geddy is in a three piece and has to play more to fill out the Rush sound especially since Alex is no John P. But keep in mind that while playing bass, Ged also sings, plays bass pedals and switches back and forth from keyboards. Pretty amazing:practically a one man show.
So I guess you could make a case for either one being better.
> >It would be interesting > >to see what they could do in a larger hall with lights and lasers. > >Let's hope they sell enough albums in the future for us to find out. > > I'd much prefer to see them in small venues. When I see DT, I want to be > able to get a seat in the first two rows, like I did last time. > > > -max
I'd rather see them in a small place too. Screw the lasers. I'm there to see and hear the band up close. It's more intimate that way. I know it's kind of selfish of me though. If there ever was a band who deserved to hit the big time and play the big places, it's DT, but here I am wishing they'd play clubs forever.
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 17:03:13 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: T-Shirt
Just wanted to ask what was going on with the t-shirt??? Are we going to have one (or maybe 2, each with a different quote), and when??? I'd love to get it before spring starts...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 17:01:29 EST From: mozo21@aol.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 340
Mike B asks if Change of Season was done anywhere else.
Well, I saw Theater play that song on June 9, 1990 at Sundance, Bay Shore, NY. Here's the catch though: It was an instrumental. On this night they also debuted their new lead singer who came out for the last song. I think this song was Metropolis, but I'm not sure. Anyway, The guy really sucked. I think it was Steve(?) Stone because he sounds familiar on the Audition tapes. I guess the reaction was pretty bad, because the guy was promptly canned!
BTW, they were opening for Marillion.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 19:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: DT: Live in Osaka
I recently got the live show from Osaka, Japan. The good part: There is like 0 crowd noise! Except for a really vague crowd roar. Its like when james says "Is anyone out there!!!" You hear just about silence. So it almost sounds like a studio recording. Moonbubbles sounds VERY GOOD. You can pick out almost every note petrucci plays. The bad part: James Labrie HAD A BAD BAD COLD OR SOMETHING. His voice is AWFUL! His voice cracks on more than 1 song and he struggles on alot of notes.
Overall a good show though. I fully reccomend it.
Tim
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 20:30:46 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Is Learning To Live a "perfect song"
>>> Indeed, there are very few songs that sound "Perfect" in their original form...
Rush "La Villa Strangiato" DT "Learning to Live" Company of Wolves "Call of the Wild" Galactic Cowboys "Blind" <<<
Indeed, I, too, found Learning to Live easy to listen to many times in a row. When I listen to it, I picture an observer in a deserted field looking up at a midnight-black, starry sky and reflecting on the world and his self-knowledge. The best thing about it is that as I mature and learn new things about the world, I can listen to the song again and picture a "more aware" person sitting in a desolate field, looking up at a dark, starry sky and reflecting on the new knowledge.
BTW: "La Villa Strangiato" is also incrediable. For anyone who just pops in Chronicles and doesn't actually listen to all of the songs (I'm not done collecting all the Rush albums yet), Take the Time to listen to track 12 of disc one!
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 20:34:52 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Bassists
Myung and Lee have different roles as bassists (sp???). Lee has to carry the tune more than Myung does; in the tunes where Myung does carry a large part (Take the Time, for example), they are equals. The solo in Metropolis is incrediable. Although I do enjoy Lee's strong bass lines, I can't say that Lee is a better bassist than Myung. But, I don't want to suggest that Myung is better than Lee, because I don't think that is true either.
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Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 20:39:33 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: bootlegs
>>> Are there some of you who had trouble with their bootlegs? Maybe its just my CD-player but for example the first DoE disc is very hard to start and when I change tracks it often stops. Its the same thing with some other bootlegs. Does anyone else had these problems? <<<
Well, it's your CD player. Make sure that the CD is flat in the drive. If it is not, the situation you described can happen. You might not notice it close to the center of the disc, but as you go radially outward the levelness (eww, word choice) of the disc becomes an important factor. You can usually ensure that the disc is flat by pushing gently but firmly around the entire center of the disc (the plastic part).
Happy DoE'ing.
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