Contents:
Re: Live in Long Island (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: various from YTSE 341 (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS (Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com>)
Re: Drumming (ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re))
Re: #2(2) YTSEJAM digest 344 (mozo21@aol.com)
SHIRT ORDER (nbradley@ua.d.umn.edu)
Re: P vs. P, Rush vs. DT, etc. etc. (bills@lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Sill Bandage))
IMPORT/BOOT/RARE MUSIC PLACES IN DC? ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
"Perfect" songs (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
RE: YTSEJAM TAB ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
NEW ALBUM/TOUR ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
Re: acos tablature (MCII@delphi.com)
Attempt at comparing RUSH and DT (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: various from YTSE 341 (MCII@delphi.com)
DT's new album... (John Cheng-Yung Yuan <barchetta+@CMU.EDU>)
Bass production on WDADU and other bass issues ("David Bell" <dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu>)
Re: SHIRT ORDERS (aspect@cats.ucsc.edu)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 345 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
Re: YTSEJAM digest 346 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
drum solos (kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut))
Enough comparison (kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut))
X is better than Y (tijuha@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Haanpdd))
Re: YTSEJAM TAB (MCII@delphi.com)
RE: INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
PERFECT SONG (Markus"Mackan"Forsblom <tdi9001@abacus.hgs.se>)
Re: NEW ALBUM/TOUR (whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White))
Re: seats (whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White))
Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? (drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
stuff (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Bass production on WD&DU (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Magellen (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: wdadu/liveu (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: drum solos (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Galatic Cowboys (svanhooser@aol.com)
Pieces of eight (MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU)
ytse' jam tab (finally) (William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 15:15:18 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Live in Long Island
I can trade you piles of stuff, including some of the majesty demos, I
have a gnr bootleg cd I don't want that I'd trade
--------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Bajzek
impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 15:30:57 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: various from YTSE 341
Excerpts from mail: 10-Mar-94 various from YTSE 341 by Michael
Burstin@cs.brand
> Is this (solo after Forever) really Barfbag? Never heard the name
> anywhere... anyone else know about this? (I usually like to have 2
> sources for a song name before I call it by that name)
It comes straight from his Guitar World column. That's a pretty good source
--------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Bajzek
impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 11:52:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com>
Subject: INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS
I'm getting a zillion requests for sending the shirts over-seas.
I don't really know what it costs, but it's NO PROBLEM.
I'm going to guess the total cost for overseas would be no more than 20$,
so if thats ok, order away!!!!
I'll let you all know of the real price as soon as I find out, but don't
hesitate to order away!
-----------------------------)
Jason Hough - jason@jester.cts.com
Nextmail is fine
"I'm ashes on the water now, somewhere far away..." -Marillion
(-----------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 15:00:28 -0500 (EST)
From: ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re)
Subject: Re: Drumming
> So why then does the album drumming sound so artificial when it is
> possible to get a far more realistic and quite frankly enjoyable drum
> sound when it is recorded live? Why did the producers deem it necessary to
> record such flat drum sounds?
Because they were jerks, basically. They triggered all the sounds, and
didn't leave the band with very many decisions about how the album would
be made, overall. That's why the dynamic range of the album isn't very
great, and the drums sound like they were programmed.
> What do the rest of you think? Please restore my faith in the band.
Nothing to worry about. Mike *played* everything on the album, its just
not his drums you're hearing :)
-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Heh Heh. I know where there's a dead raccoon!! Heh heh." "FIRE!!! FIRE!!! FIRE!!!""The juggernaut that is Early Warning will CRUSH you!!!!"
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 17:15:47 EST From: mozo21@aol.com Subject: Re: #2(2) YTSEJAM digest 344
Mike B,
About that instrumental show, you sent me an instrumental show but it wasn't that show. (I wish it was- different date).
Anyway, I talked to a friend of mine last night and he swears that the guy sang on Change of Season. I can't really be sure but they DID play change of season and they introduced it as a new song, so it may very well be the first time it was ever played live.
andy
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 16:56:56 -0600 (CST) From: nbradley@ua.d.umn.edu Subject: SHIRT ORDER
Jason,
2 ASH XL TEE-S
-- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Nathan I Bradley 1320 Stadium Dr. G106 Duluth, MN 55812-2405 nbradley@ub.d.umn.edu 726-7720 ============================================================================
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 16:33:29 MST From: bills@lobo.rmh.pr1.k12.co.us (Sill Bandage) Subject: Re: P vs. P, Rush vs. DT, etc. etc.
Ko.. here's my 4 cents or so...
My two favorite bands are Rush and DT, as is the same with most of the readers here that I've talked to... I have been listening to Rush for about 3 years and Dream Theater for 1 1/2 years, and have seen them both only once live.
I think that it's stupid to try and pick who's a better band, or who are the better players... If they put out good, technically impressive music (which both do, IMO) than I don't really care who's more talented, just as long as they sound good as a band. I think that we are all suffering from "Rush/DT, Peart/Portnoy, and Lee/Myung is god" syndrome. I have to admit that I completely worship all of them also, but I don't make a huge deal out of it, because it only makes other people pissed off.. I just say that if you like Rush and you also like Dream Theater, than just listen to them all and be impressed by all of it, and don't just say that since so and so is a better instrumentalist than so and so, than the whole band is better..
My only wish is to see them both in concert together, since I would be in a solid hypnotic state and have a possible musical orgasm.. :) C yaz
Bill the Peartnoy wannabe
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 21:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: IMPORT/BOOT/RARE MUSIC PLACES IN DC?
I am taking a trip to Washington DC next Weekend for 4 days for a conference. If anyone knows any places to buy import/bootleg/rare music discs, tapes, or records, etc in the DC areas PLEASE EMAIL ME!!!! Thanks. Tim Lodge
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 00:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> Subject: "Perfect" songs
How could I forget? Coma - GNR
of course,LTL is better than all those I mentioned, but they are all good
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 0:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM TAB
Congrats to the guy who transcribed the Ytsejam Guitar Tab! Its not a hard song to play, but it is real cool to jam along to the band with! Hey there seems to be ONE DOMINANT scale in there. Natural Minor Perhaps? I think so. Also, Is there any interest in the tab for Moon Bubbles? At least the main part..which stays the same every show he plays it....?????? If so, I can tab it soon.
A Fellow Axe-Slinger Tim
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 0:22:03 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: NEW ALBUM/TOUR
Is there any sort of street date or word on exactly when the new album is coming out? Also if anyone has some new tour dates for the start of the tour please post!!!
Tim
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 00:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: MCII@delphi.com Subject: Re: acos tablature
How about Metropolis?
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 01:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: Attempt at comparing RUSH and DT
First off, before I say anything else, I want to say this. THESE ARE MY OPINIONS, SO YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THEM... THIS IS WHAT I THINK... with that... Well, I just got back from my first ever RUSH concert, so I will try to say something about these comparisons. First off, I think that Peart basically outplays anyone I have ever seen. This comes in part from all of the reasons that have been mentioned... playing longer being one of the biggest reason... Portnoy just doesn't really compare, YET. Given 20 years, we will see how they compare... :) Anyway, I think that Myung is better than Lee, but also rememeber that Lee also has to sing and play the keys. Overall, I think that I was more impressed with DT this summer, but I also was alot closer... I think that RUSH's effects are alot better, but this also comes with funding that is probably at least 10x more than DT's. I think that DT's special effects (lighting, etc) were amazing, for their budget, but RUSH's blew them away. As far as the music itself, I think that they both played incredible, and very true to the sound on the CD... I actually think that RUSH sounds better live than on CD, whereas DT sounds incredible both ways... with that, I leave the subject alone. Again, remember that these are OPINIONS, and not anything stated as facts. On a side note, someone posted to NMS (RUSH's digest) that they saw DT at the RUSH concert in Madison Square Gardens the other day... they talked to them, and had the guys sign the RUSH tourbook... shows that DT at least still goes to see the guys that were their main influence...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 01:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: MCII@delphi.com Subject: Re: various from YTSE 341
Does anyone know the title of an instrumental where Myung is playing mostly harmonics while pettrucci
etrucci is playing a soulful Satriani style solo over it? It's beautiful, I've seen it live twice.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 03:06:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Cheng-Yung Yuan <barchetta+@CMU.EDU> Subject: DT's new album...
First off:
Yes, I meant 5/4, not 5/3... I apologize....
Now -
Any word on their new album? Other than the fact that Terry Brown is the producer, and the ACOS is on the album, haven't really heard much... is there a possibility for more guest musicians (a la Beckenstein?)? That would be cool.
One more thing (this is NOT a Rush vs. DT comparison.):
A friend of mine who went to see Rush playing at MSG on March 8th (and I was stuck here in "Piss" burgh) spotted Petrucci, Moore, and Portney in the audience! Although he didn't get to speak with them, he did overhear them talking to fans and saw them sign some autographs. All he heard them say was "Yeah, we're DT", and he said that they seemed pretty cool... and pretty happy that they were recognized (especially at "home" in NY).
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!
-*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --**
-John Yuan email: barchetta+@CMU.EDU
"Are the liberators here, do I hope or do I fear..." -Rush, "Red Sector A"
1995 Ferrari F130 Barchetta: 500hp, 217mph, 0-60 in 3.5 sec. ("Throwing Bones in Maranello", Road and Track, March 1994)
-*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --** -*-- -*-- --**
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 02:50:37 -0600 (CST) From: "David Bell" <dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: Bass production on WDADU and other bass issues
> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 23:27:11 CST > From: Jonathan_P._Larkowski@digidoc1.uu.holonet.net (Jonathan P. > Larkowski) Subject: Bass production on WD&DU > > Now, is it just me or is the bass production on WD&DU just terrible? It > sounds like he's picking with a drumstick! Now, I realize I'm just a > dumb guitar player, but I think he has a MUCH better bass sound on I&W. > WD&DU just makes me sick when I hear it (the guitar is pretty thin, too). > Flame on... > Lark
Oh boy, a bass issue I can talk about without getting flamed off the face of the earth. Yeah, the bass sound on WDADU is pretty crappy. The main thing is all this upper-midrange in his tone which he doesn't really boost as much anymore. It really throws the whole mix out of whack. I don't know if that's just how Myung liked his bass sound back then, or if that's the way producer/engineer wanted it. I remember that little blurb in Guitar World (WDADU era) where Myung said when he first heard Billy Sheehan, he knew that was how he wanted his bass to sound. I guess the tone on WDADU might have been his attempt to get that grinding, semi-distorted Billy Sheehan sound (don't get me started on how Sheehan's bass sounds have deteriorated through the years!). However, all those mids do make the bass stick out a bit more. IMHO, the bass on I&W is a bit buried, to say the least. It doesn't help when Myung's basslines are sharing the same frequency space as the huge synthesizers, chunky guitars, and punchy bass drums. I think some of this could be helped through arrangement. If John's basslines didn't mimic all of the guitar riffs or bass drum patterns, maybe they'd stand out a little more. More than just when he takes a little solo a la "Metropolis" or "YtseJam". The funky little bassline in the C# verse section of "Take the Time" is a step in the right direction. This brings me as close to the "Myung vs. Geddy War" as I'm going to get. Put down your flamers all you Myung devotees, I'm just curious to know what makes you so impressed with his bass playing when most of his stuff is just solid riff doubling and root notes. Sure, he does some nice, interesting stuff and can unleash a better solid stream of 16th-notes than Geddy ever could, but I have yet to hear a Dream Theater song which is really driven by the bassline, or a DT bass part which is really memorable in and of itself. On the Rush side, I'm thinking of things like "Distant Early Warning," "Vital Signs," "Leave That Thing Alone!" Stuff like that. Songs where the bassline is so important that the song wouldn't be the same without it. That to me, is the mark of a great bassist. Not the only mark, but a good one. So I'd just like to know what is so impressive about John Myung's bass playing to some of you. If it's just the flashy 16th-note runs or tapping licks, I can direct you to some bassists who can do it better and faster (Stu Hamm, Michael Manring, Stanley Clarke, Jaco Pastorius). Maybe some of you are catching on to little flourishes of creativity that I'm overlooking. Anyways, if anyone wants to talk serious bass, or do some self-recorded tape trading (*your own* music, who needs all these professionals with record deals and fancy shmancy CDs?), I'll be around.
--David Bell dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 02:29:07 +45722724 From: aspect@cats.ucsc.edu Subject: Re: SHIRT ORDERS
Looks like in the fluury of messages I missed the dertails for the shirts. can they be resent? THanks,
~Chris
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 04:01:19 MST From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 345
To Jeff Grey:
This entire chain continues with people comparing Rush to DT. Regardless of what you think, it happens. The two bands are totally different. And I don't care what percentage of people on here like Rush... That also make no difference.
And while it probably rocks your little world, you have to realize that Geddy Lee is no longer the bass innovator he once was. Marning, Hamm, Claypool, and even John Myung take what he did, use it as a foundation and therefore, become more innovative. Even Myung himself, while considering Lee an influence, feels Tony Levin is a better player.
While I have not been in the room, if Lee was indeed serious about incorporating new bass techniques in his playing, they would show up in concert or on an album, which they do not. With each new album release, Geddy Lee plays more and more like Sting.
And sure, Myung is better because he plays a 6-string. Even if you negate the technical ability to handle the instrument, the mere fact that he uses the extra strings to add flare to his lines, gives him a bigger place in a band already jammed with talent. He broke out of the standard tuning back on WD&DU, which was on a MusicMan 5-string... Geddy Lee has never done that...
I'd sure be interested in how long you've been playing bass. Such an authority should be able to teach me a thing or two about the instrument.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 04:31:11 MST From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 346
Dave Re:
Clapton and Page are so full of arthritis I'm amazed they can still hold a pick... Let me know what they discover a scale outside of the Pentatonic box...
As for Myung, you're totally wrong. You have to play bass to appreciate it, and since you don't, well, I forgive your stupidity.
I can't forgive that "just locked in with the drums" crap.
Listen to A Fortune in Lies, Take the Time, or Metropolis... Myung solos, doubles Petrucci (on a bass, nearly impossible...), or plays with Portnoy (equally difficult).. And since you ended that crap with "that's what a bass player should do", both he and Geddy Lee are inferior in your eyes, since neither of them do that very often. In Rush, Geddy Lee is the song. In Dream Theater, Myung has to compete with 4 other guys who want to be everywhere. Yet, he still manages to take the bass out of that "back-upp" roll that retro hippies like yourself like to stick it in. Dream Theater would not even exist if they followed these musical rules like "a bass player has to play with the drums" or "a song has to be 5 minutes long"... Metalica followed those rules and pissed themselves away into arena rock garbage.
There are few players on this planet who can do what Myung does, and Geddy Lee is not one of them. In fact, to make it easier:
Geddy Lee = Sting John Myung = GOD!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 07:00 EST From: kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut) Subject: drum solos
Well, it's not about DT. I also find that few drum solos are really worthwhile, but 2 days ago I went to see Melissa Etheridge live and I saw what might be the funniest drum solo. * Spoilers ahead if you're going to see Melissa Etheridge*
Well, there was first a mini solo where the drummer was in front of the stage with only one drum and one cymbal, the 3 others all had accoustic guitars, and he drummed on the guitars. Then in another song, the drummer was back at his kit, the 3 others came, took drumsticks and we had a 8-hands drum solo. Both were short, both were fun to watch, and you could see that they all had a hell of a time. It didn't drag on.
Well, back to your regular DT postings...
Tanguy- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tanguy Kervahut Tel: (514) 383-0404 (work) kervahut@iro.umontreal.ca (514) 272-8004 (home) kervahut@entaluve.cam.org --------------------------------------------------------------DoD#349---------
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 07:14 EST From: kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut) Subject: Enough comparison
From: ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re)
> he take what Lee has done, and not expand on it? Clapton & Page > were good in their time, but compared to Petrucci, Skolnick, Friedman, > Satriani, Vai?
You just don't get it, do you??? Sure, the modern techno wizards fit great in hard rock/heavy metal. Clapton and Page don't fit as well because of *their* influences and style [...] For blues influenced rock, I'll still take Clapton and Page. I'd hate to hear them in a metal setting, though, cause they wouldn't quite fit. It's not their style. Period. Can't compare apples to oranges.
Well, another post from me not on DT, but what the heck... This mail reminded me that a few years back I saw Bryan Ferry in concert, and he had a young guitarist and a young drummer with him, and it was obvious that both were more the heavy metal type, and not really the kind of musician needed to play some Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry. They might be great in a heavy group, but there it didn't fit, and some songs suffered from them being there.
Tanguy- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tanguy Kervahut Tel: (514) 383-0404 (work) kervahut@iro.umontreal.ca (514) 272-8004 (home) kervahut@entaluve.cam.org --------------------------------------------------------------DoD#349---------
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 15:09:41 +0200 From: tijuha@freenet.hut.fi (Timo Haanpdd) Subject: X is better than Y
I can't see why musicians should be compared with each other, but I'll throw a comment too here, WMBE <- figure it out. :) Anyways, techinque is not everything. Maybe Geddy Lee doesn't know all those heavy metal and funk tricks, but that's not even what Rush is all about. Neither does Neil Peart do any double-bassdrum stuff, but where the heck would he play it? Big Money? Nobody's Hero? Think about it.
-- tijuha@freenet.hut.fi + "Through different eyes we keep looking for (Timo Haanpaa) + what we lack."
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: MCII@delphi.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM TAB
Thou art most gracious, tab on!!
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 9:31:55 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: RE: INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS
WHAT EXACTLY IS ASH COLOR AS OPPOSED TO WHITE?/
TIM LODGE
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 15:45:04 +0100 (MET) From: Markus"Mackan"Forsblom <tdi9001@abacus.hgs.se> Subject: PERFECT SONG
A list of some perfect songs
T.N.T - AC/DC Highway to hell - AC/DC Let There Be Rock - AC/DC Always With Me, Always with you - Joe Satriani Detoit rock City - KISS Operaton: Mindcrime - Queensryche Take The Time - DT
and the list could go on and on.. -- .---------------------------------------------------------------------------. I Rock'n'Roll ain't noise pollution - AC/DC I I---------------------------------------------------------------------------I I Name : Markus Forsblom | Favorite GolfClub : Driver I I IrcNick : Mackan | Sunglasses : RAY-BAN Wayfarer I I Country : Kingdom Of SWEDEN | I I Telnet : tdi9001@abacus.hgs.se | Drink : Coca-Cola (c) I I mackan@astrakan.hgs.se | Eat : Big Mac&Co I I---------------------------------------------------------------------------I I Official BETA tester of Arts & Letters 4.0 I I---------------------------------------------------------------------------I I Hooters Hooters, Jum Jum Jum, I I Hooters Hooters, On A Girl That's Dumb - Al Bundy I `---------------------------------------------------------------------------'
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 11:54:39 EST From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) Subject: Re: NEW ALBUM/TOUR
I was talking to this guy selling boots on campus, and I asked him if he had any DreamTheater boots, and he said they just got 2 in, but they're not done yet, so he didn't have them with him. But he said he'd be back in a copule weeks. Then we started talking about DT, and he said thatthe album is supposed to be released in July. I'm not sure how reliable that is, but it sounds right. Chris
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 12:06:17 EST From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) Subject: Re: seats
> What band is a band for moshing??? > Some people actually like that, believe it or not. I can sure tell you >that, from the band on stage's point of view, its a hell of a lot nicer than >a bunch of dweebs standing there like stone, trying to figure out every lick >you play!!! > Give those that want to mosh their space, and you stand in the back and >let *everyone* enjoy themselves.....
Ok, I havn't been to many concerts, but this moshing thing is really starting to get to me. And your last sentance just kinda set me off. Why should the people who just wanna watch the show have to stand in the back to watch it, while people who mosh, etc, and aren't even watching the show in the least stand in the front? No, that should be the other way around. Also, what do you mean "From the band on stage's..." Ummm, hasn't Labrie gotten VERY upset about people moshing/stagediving/etc on more than one occasion? So you didn't make much sense there, sorry. Chris
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 12:13:55 PST From: drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
>>As for Ulrich... ... he's had no formal training. > >Um... geee... What about all those lessons from um.... hm.... >what was his name again... >NEIL PEART you moron!!!!!!! >
Sure moron... I don't know where you got that... he's never taken lessons from Peart... and if he ever did... it sure doesn't show! So he wasted some good money...
Anyways... he still sucks when it comes down to it...
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 16:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> Subject: stuff
Excerpts from ytsejam: 11-Mar-94 RE: YTSEJAM TAB by TIMOTHY G. PRESIDENT@CSU > Congrats to the guy who transcribed the Ytsejam Guitar Tab! > Its not a hard song to play, but it is real cool to jam along > to the band with! Hey there seems to be ONE DOMINANT scale > in there. Natural Minor Perhaps? I think so. > Also, Is there any interest in the tab for Moon Bubbles? At least > the main part..which stays the same every show he plays it....?????? > If so, I can tab it soon. >
Harmonic minor. Tonight I WILL type in the guitar tab (the other was bass). I promise! It would be nice if "a lerxst in wonderland", who trancribes stuff, could do the stuff after the drum solo before the repeat because I never got around to figuring it out, and we'd have it complete.
Excerpts from ytsejam: 11-Mar-94 Re: Damn the Machine by Dave Re@acme.gatech.edu > Not really. They're not really all that heavy. The vocalist isn't bad, > and the songs are OK, but that's it. They keeping getting to a point in each > song where it feels like they're going to just cut loose and rip, and then > it never happens. Kind of anti-climactic..... > And, they're not all that progressive, either.....
they're kind of a relaxed queensryche. there's nothing progressive about the clean/distorted guitar interplay, shifting time sigs, harmonies (vocal and guitar)?
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 16:49:27 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
Zack,
If you want to hear a good drum solo, listen to the one on the video of Tokyo. I agree that the one on DoE lacks what the one in Tokyo had. I saw them in Flint and his solo was awesome and powerful (as I remember, but as I listen to more live discs the memories are all fading into one).
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 16:59:54 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass production on WD&DU
>>> Now, is it just me or is the bass production on WD&DU just terrible? It sounds like he's picking with a drumstick! Now, I realize I'm just a dumb guitar player, but I think he has a MUCH better bass sound on I&W. WD&DU just makes me sick when I hear it (the guitar is pretty thin, too). Flame on... <<<
Yes, listen to the Ytsejam right after I&W or any Rush CD except Counterparts and you can immediately hear that the bass guitar is not turned up loud enough on WD&DU.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 17:07:29 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Magellen
Can anyone describe Magellen's sound for me? (Comparisons to DT or Rush are okay)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 17:12:45 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: wdadu/liveu
>>> Everyone always has such high praise for Ytse Jam. Am I the only one who really doesn't find this song all thatgreat? I dont know... Maybe it's because I love Status Seeker, and Ytse Jam is such a letdown after SS. I don't know ,but Ireally don't like it all that much. Chris <<< Yes, you may be the only one who does not find it great. :)
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 17:16:06 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: drum solos
>>> Hopefully, as DT matures, his solo will die. Sorry, I'm from the "all drum solos are boring and pointless and kill the energy that has been built up" school of thought. I would much rather hear another song.
Guitar solos are boring too, but not as boring as drum solos. Unaccompanied guitar solos are unacceptable unless they're very short. Bass solos are cool only because you don't hear them every day.
Keyboard solos rule. <<<
Well, the other day I had a thought about DT - wouldn't it be great if the band lengthened the keyboard solo in Take the Time live? I don't usually like it when bands do radically different versions of songs live, but a solo about twice as long or maybe more of the current Take the Time keyboard solo would be awesome, wouldn't it?
BTW: I like the drum solos and the accompanied guitar solos; it shows that they're talented and creative enough to play their songs and invent new material at the same time with ease.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 94 17:27:12 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Galatic Cowboys
Did anyone else have trouble hearing the GC singer? His mic wasn't turned up NEARLY loud enough in Flint......
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 18:59:53 -0500 From: MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Subject: Pieces of eight
If your copy of Pieces of Eight is 15 minutes long, then I got ripped off. My version clocks in at about 4. A 15 minute shitty little plastic record in a magazine? Get real. . .
Mike
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 19:33:32 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> Subject: ytse' jam tab (finally)
Here's everything but harmonies and solos before the drum solo. I'll try to pseodo-time it, but you have to listen to the recording to get it right. John plays the first half of the melody on the third string but I prefer the second. I didn't tab the harmonies.
p = pinch harmonic bar = trem bar tp = tremolo pick m = palm mute / = hammer \ = slide
----------------------------------------------------------- -5------------4-------------------------------------------- -4---3---2\---3-------------------------------------------- -2---3---2\---1-------------------------------------------- -----1---0\---1-------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- bar
verse ----------------------------------------------------------- -3-2-3---5-3-5---7-5-7-8-7-8-7-5-7-3-2-3------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -------0-------0-------------------------0----------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -8-7-8---7-5-7---5-3-5---3-2-3----------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------
chorus ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -2---2---3---2---2---------2---2-------------0-2-3--------- -0---0---1---0---0---1-4---0---0---1---0-1-4--------------- -----------3-------------------------3--------------------- m m m m m m m m
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------1-1----------- -2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3-0-0-2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3--------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------1-1-2-2-4-4-5-5----------- -2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3-0-0-2-2-3-3--------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -2---2---3---2---2---------2---2-------------0-2-3--------- -0-000-001---0-000---1-4---0-000---1---0-1-4--------------- -----------3-------------------------3--------------------- mm mm mm m m mm p p p p p
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------1-1----------- -2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3-0-0-2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3--------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------1-1-2-2-4-4-5-5----------- -2---2-2-2---2-2-3-3-0-0-2-2-3-3--------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m
I'm not sure about the run after this and the next line so fake it. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------10-------9-------7-------------------------10-10-9-9- -7---7-7------7-7-----7-7-----8-8-10-10-12-12-11-11----------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- h tp-----------------------------|
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------10-------9-------7-------------------------10-10-9-9- -7---7-7------7-7-----7-7-----8-8-10-10-12-12-11-11----------- -------------------------------------------------------------- h tp-----------------------------|
-----------------------------------10-12-13------------------- -10-11-8-10-11-14-10-11-8-10-11-14---------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- tp----------------------------------------|
-12-13-10-12-13-16-12-13-10-12-13-16-17-19-20----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- tp------------------------------------------|
next the verse twice then
----------------------1---0----------------------------------- ------3-----3-----3---------------3---3---3---3---3----------- ----2-----0-----2---2---2---2---2---3---2---0----------------- --0-----2-----3---------------0-----------------3---2--------- -------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------1---0----------------------------------- ------3-----3-----3---------------3---3---3---3---3----------- ----2-----0-----2---2---2---2---2---3---2---0----------------- --0-----2-----3---------------0-----------------3---2--------- -------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------6-5---------------------------------------------- -7---5---2---5-5---------------------------------------------- -7---5---2-5-5-5---0-0-0-0-8-0-0-0-7-0-0-0-5-0-0-0-3---------- -5---3---0-5-3-3-------------------------------------3-------- -----------3--------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------6-5---------------------------------------------- -7---5---2---5-5-7-------------------------------------------- -7---5---2-5-5-5-7-------------------------------------------- -5---3---0-5-3-3-5-------------------------------------------- -----------3--------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -8-7-8---7----7----------------------------------------------- -----------10-----10-8-10---8-7-8---7-5-7---5-4-5---4---4----- ------------------------------------------------------6-------
-------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------3---------------------------------- -2-------------------------2-------------2/3\2---------------- -2---3---2---3-2---3---2---0---------3-2-------3-------------- -0-00--00--001-0-00--00--0---1-3-5-4-------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- tp--------|
-------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------3---------------------------------- -2-------------------------2---------------------------------- -2---3---2---3-2---3---2---0---------3-0---------------------- -0-00--00--001-0-00--00--0---1-3-5-4-------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- tp------| h keyboard solo: -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -2------------3---2/3\2----2-----------4-3---2/3\2------------ -2------------3---------3--2-----------2-1---------3---------- -0---0-000-0001------------0--0-000-000----------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
guitar solo: -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -5------------6-5/6\5\3-5-3----------------------------------- -3---3-333-3334-------------6-4-------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- --------------6---5/6\5\3-5-3--------------------------------- -5------------4---------------6-5-6-5-5----------------------- -3---3-333-333--------------------4-3-3-----------------------
between solos: -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -5------------------------------------------------------------ -5------------------------------------------------------------ -3------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------------------------------
bass solo: -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -7------------------------------------------------------------ -7------------8---7/8\7\5-7-5--------------------------------- -5---5-555-5556---------------8-6----------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -7------------8---7/8\7\5-7-5------8-7-7---------------------- -7------------6---------------8-7--8-7-7---------------------- -5---5-555-555---------------------6-5-5---------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------
ok, as I promised... I'll try to do the rest this next week, unless someone beats me to it.... hint hint....
-------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Bajzek impaler+@cmu.edu
"What's a little fallout, eh?"
------------------------------ End of Digest ************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b30 : Thu Apr 01 2004 - 17:54:25 EST