Contents:
Bass pickups and all ("David Bell" <dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu>)
I&W: As good as it gets?!?!?! (John Cheng-Yung Yuan <barchetta+@CMU.EDU>)
DT outside of the US (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 347 (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
Portnoy (the man <stackhou@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>)
Re: Magellan ("Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU>)
Re: Pieces of eight (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
DT outside of the US (kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut))
RE: INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS (Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com>)
Re: Magellan (Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net>)
Re: DT outside of the US (Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net>)
Re: wdadu/liveu (Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net>)
DT vs. Rush (scott@ida.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Scott Dayman))
Re: DT outside of the US (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 347 (Tim <space2@u.washington.edu>)
RE: YTSEJAM TAB ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Re: DT outside of the US (Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>)
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Date: Fri, 11 Mar 1994 18:45:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "David Bell" <dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: Bass pickups and all
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 94 02:20:03 MST
> From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 344
>
> Nah, I disagree... If you're playing a bass with passive pickups, well,
> you aren't playing bass...
Mein gott. Please don't make such ignorant, generalizing statements
without some justification. Do you mean to say all of the bass players of
the 60's-70's-early 80's, before the advent of active pickups, "weren't
playing bass"? Ever listen to the recorded bass sounds of oh...Paul
McCartney? Jack Bruce?? Chris Squire?? Need I call your attention to the
many great bassists of today who still play with passive pickups? Check out
Mike Watt of Minutemen and fIREHOSE fame for the *MANLIEST* bass tone
around.
Let's get something straight. All active pickups do is boost the signal
coming from the bass. For example, turning the tone knob on a passive
Fender P-bass will only cut the treble frequencies. Using the controls on
an active bass you can boost the treble and/or the bass. Bottom line: if
you've got a crappy bass sound, active or passive pickups alone aren't going
to solve your problems.
> Lee should've stuck with the Steinberger, or the original black Wal, not
> the red one... The bass sound on Counterparts is because of Peter
> Collins, not Fender instruments...
What does that mean? That Peter Collins can work some kind of magic on
bass sounds that no one else can understand? It's called EQ and
amplification. When you've got a straight signal from a Fender J-bass, you
can shape it into all manner of tones using everything from effects and
signal processers to direct injection into the mixing board. On
Counterparts, I think most of the heavy bass sounds came from putting the
bass through an old overdriven Ampeg head. IMHO, you shouldn't look back to
the Wal, or even the Steinberger for the classic Geddy tone. Go to Moving
Pictures-era Rush, when he was using the Rickenbacker 4001 (also the J-bass).
Passive pickups I might add.
> I think a lot of Myungs sounds comes from the Bartolini pickups, which
> are excellent. Steinbergers come with EMG's, which I guess if they
> are like their guitar pickups, produce a lot of high-end. Don't
> all Tobias basses come with Bartolini's? They are amazing. A friend
> of mine put them in his Ibanez 6-string...
Umm, would you mind directing me to some of those excellent Myung tones?
As I've been saying, I always thought Myung was pretty much buried in the
mix on WDADU and I&W. This is partly due to the mixing process, partly his
bass sounds, and partly arrangements. I do hear some improvement on the LiT
video and some live bootlegs I've heard, so from what I can tell, John
Myung's bass tone is just beginning to come into its own. Whether or not he
uses active pickups is only part of the matter.
Don't get me wrong, as a bass player who is deeply in love with his
*extremely* active Kubicki Factor bass, I would never go back to passive
pickups again. I just wanted you to know that you can't attribute a bass
sound to the pickups, just as you can't pin it down to the strings, the amp,
the woods used in the fingerboard, etc. All these things, together with a
great bass player, combine to make a distinctinve bass sound. And IMO, John
Myung is still on his way to finding his voice in Dream Theater.
"The sound is in my hands." -- Jaco Pastorius
--Dave Bell
dbell@merle.acns.nwu.edu
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:33:00 -0500 (EST)
From: John Cheng-Yung Yuan <barchetta+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: I&W: As good as it gets?!?!?!
Now HERE's a scary thought....
Let's face it... I&W kicks ass. (I have yet to get a copy of
WDADU, so I can't really say if it's better or not.)
In fact, everybody I know who has heard the album (and just
about everyone here) has one of two opinions on the album:
1.) "Greatest thing since sliced bread"
2.) "huh huh... huh huh... this sucks..."
Hmmm... I only know of four other albums that generate
a love/hate reaction this intense:
-Rush, "Moving Pictures"
-Led Zeppelin, "Houses of the Holy"
-Pink Floyd, "The Wall"
-Boston, "Boston"
Anybody here sense a trend?
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"Are the liberators here, do I hope or do I fear..."
-Rush, "Red Sector A"
1995 Ferrari F130 Barchetta: 500hp, 217mph, 0-60 in 3.5 sec.
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:40:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: DT outside of the US
Well, this question is more for out international readers... I was
just watching a video from Toronto, and James mentions something about
the Another Day video making the Power30 on MuchMusic. I also know
that on the Consciously Unreal CDs from Italy, James mentions that I&W
was votes CD of the year... The letter I got from the fan club
mentions that LaTM hit platinum in Japan. my question is this: Is DT
pretty big in your country? I mean, all of this outside of the US,
with so little coverage here... What is the attitude towards DT in
your countries... (I am not sure exacly how many international readers
there are here). I'd love to hear what you have to say...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 22:54:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 347
> I think that it's stupid to try and pick who's a better band, or who are the > better players... If they put out good, technically impressive music (which > both do, IMO) than I don't really care who's more talented, just as long as > they sound good as a band. I think that we are all suffering from "Rush/DT, > Peart/Portnoy, and Lee/Myung is god" syndrome.
No no, *Moore* is god. The others are just, like, angels or something.
> This brings me as close to the "Myung vs. Geddy War" as I'm going to get. > Put down your flamers all you Myung devotees, I'm just curious to know what > makes you so impressed with his bass playing when most of his stuff is just > solid riff doubling and root notes. Sure, he does some nice, interesting > stuff and can unleash a better solid stream of 16th-notes than Geddy ever > could, but I have yet to hear a Dream Theater song which is really driven by > the bassline, or a DT bass part which is really memorable in and of itself.
No DT song is "driven" by any particular instrument (except Wait for Sleep)...they all blend very well. A DT bass part memorable in itself? There are several in Learning to Live, especially at the end...the solo in Metropolis (you should SEE him play this...it's inhuman), parts of Take the Time, Pull Me Under, the Killing Hand...all over the place...no song (except maybe Learning to Live) is really written to spotlight the bass. This isn't Primus here. The guys in DT all complement each other.
> Songs where the > bassline is so important that the song wouldn't be the same without it.
Try to imagine Learning to Live without that bassline.
> Well, the other day I had a thought about DT - wouldn't it be great if the > band lengthened the keyboard solo in Take the Time live? I don't usually > like it when bands do radically different versions of songs live, but a solo > about twice as long or maybe more of the current Take the Time keyboard solo > would be awesome, wouldn't it?
Yes. That's my one complaint about DT...with that much talent, they should improvise a little more. When they do it's amazing.
-max ----------------- "You've gotta understand that this is home, and there's no tomorrow-land, and that I ain't Captain Walker."
"I would not, could not with a goat."
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 1994 21:38:57 -0700 (MST) From: the man <stackhou@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Portnoy
Just so you all know: I STILL LOVE THE OCTAPUS!!
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 01:01:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Alan J. Mallery" <ajmaller@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU> Subject: Re: Magellan
I just got their tape, Hour of Restoration. These guys are great, most of you DTers would like them a lot. They have some similarities to DT, shifting time signatures with lots of energy. More keboards, good vocal harmonies also. I can sense a definite Yes influence also. The drums are sequences, but they did a real good job of it. Not mechanical sounding. This is one of my favorite purchases in a while.
Alan M
______________________________________________________________________________ Alan Mallery | (ajmaller@ouray.denver.colorado.edu) | (insert quote here)
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 02:18:33 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: Pieces of eight
> > If your copy of Pieces of Eight is 15 minutes long, then I got ripped off. > My version clocks in at about 4. A 15 minute shitty little plastic record > in a magazine? Get real. . .
Actually, timing it with a watch I came up with 8:20. The fella who traded it to me and had marked 15:24 on the tape sleeve had to have been wrong... Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 11:07 EST From: kervahut@entaluve.cam.org (Tanguy Kervahut) Subject: DT outside of the US
Well, here in Montreal I've never heard of them on the radio. I don't have cable, so I don't know about their videos playing on MuchMusic or MusiquePlus. Without the newsgroup alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive, I wouldn't know they exist. I have a friend who's a DJ at the rock radio station in Montreal, the place most likely to play DT if it would play here, he told me I'm not the only one to ask for DT, but the station doesn't play them. It's funny because I'm always bugging him about groups they don't play, like DT & Marillion.
Tanguy- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tanguy Kervahut Tel: (514) 383-0404 (work) kervahut@iro.umontreal.ca (514) 272-8004 (home) kervahut@entaluve.cam.org --------------------------------------------------------------DoD#349---------
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 01:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Hough <jason@jester.cts.com> Subject: RE: INTERNATIONAL SHIRT ORDERS
On Sat, 12 Mar 1994, TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU wrote:
> WHAT EXACTLY IS ASH COLOR AS OPPOSED TO WHITE?/ > > TIM LODGE >
Ash is like white, but with grey and black "flecks" throughout it to give it a greyish appearence. I highly recommend it over white, only because it's not your usual concert shirt color.
-----------------------------) Jason Hough - jason@jester.cts.com Nextmail is fine "I'm ashes on the water now, somewhere far away..." -Marillion (-----------------------------
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 14:27:28 MET From: Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net> Subject: Re: Magellan
> > I just got their tape, Hour of Restoration. These guys are great, most > of you DTers would like them a lot. They have some similarities to DT, > shifting time signatures with lots of energy. More keboards, good vocal You should get their last CD "Impending Ascencion"! Its even better, listen to track #3 "Songsmith"! Great, complex tune that doesnt go out of my head anymore....bye, Freak >>>>> Freak has always been Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany <<<<< # contact via uucp:freak@cubenet.sub.org fidonet: Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 # # voice: ++49-89-68 33 40 tape: ++49-511-900-6220340 GSM-D1: -622 03 40 # >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Der Mond machts! (Alex) <<<<<
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 14:37:46 MET From: Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net> Subject: Re: DT outside of the US
> with so little coverage here... What is the attitude towards DT in > your countries... (I am not sure exacly how many international readers
Difficult to make out.... When I&W was released in (I think) 1992 (or so) I seemed to be the only one here in munich to care about DT. One year later DT suddenly spreaded over the city...I think everybody who saw them live (they were 2 times in munich for images and words) was absolutely convinced...not many pepople now DT at all, but I know of several people who know and admire them. Their still not playing in big halls, but their CDs are much more visible in the stores... But I never heared them on the radio or saw them on TV...no airplay at all... besides from radio xanadu, the evening after the first DT-concert: "...amazing performance...maybe the major event of the year..."
bye, Freak >>>>> Freak has always been Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany <<<<< # contact via uucp:freak@cubenet.sub.org fidonet: Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 # # voice: ++49-89-68 33 40 tape: ++49-511-900-6220340 GSM-D1: -622 03 40 # >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Der Mond machts! (Alex) <<<<<
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 14:41:53 MET From: Alex Reinelt <freak@cube.net> Subject: Re: wdadu/liveu
> > >>> > Everyone always has such high praise for Ytse Jam. Am I the only one > who really doesn't find this song all thatgreat? I dont know... Maybe > <<< > Yes, you may be the only one who does not find it great. He's not....sorry....but it's my opinion that is a powerful instrumental tune but by far not the kind of quality the rest of the album provides... bye, Freak
>>>>> Freak has always been Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany <<<<< # contact via uucp:freak@cubenet.sub.org fidonet: Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 # # voice: ++49-89-68 33 40 tape: ++49-511-900-6220340 GSM-D1: -622 03 40 # >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Der Mond machts! (Alex) <<<<<
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 07:56:01 PST From: scott@ida.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Scott Dayman) Subject: DT vs. Rush
I thought that subscribing to YTSE JAM would give me some info on DT, but now a flame war has erupted in saying who is better than who. Sad to say, but I find this digest to be mostly a disappointment. Now if I can figure out how to unsubscribe, consider me gone.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 11:07:28 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: DT outside of the US
<<< I also know that on the Consciously Unreal CDs from Italy, James mentions that I&W was votes CD of the year >>>
Last night I asked an exchange student (high school senior age) from Italy if he had ever heard of Dream Theater and he said no. These exchange students are generally pretty outgoing and hear about bands and such, so I was confused. I'll be interested to see if anyone else has comments on this subject.
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 94 10:57:42 PST From: Tim <space2@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 347
I have a request....
With all the traffic on the list lately it is getting very large. For those of us getting the digest this can be a major pain. The last digest was over 1100 lines. If what I want to read is in the middle or end and I want to skip the endless comparisons or screens of tablature(sp) I have no way to do that besides hit space a hundred times (and at 2400bps this is really a major pain). Can we set the digest to automatically split up the large digests into 2 or 3 shorter parts? Or maybe put the lengthy Tabs in their own section or on ftp.
Thanks..
For DT related content I have a ? on boots... I'm doing some trading to get them now but I'm wondering what the average price people are paying for the CDs is? When I finally found a place that had boots the 2CD one was $66 and single CDs were 30s .. This is way too steep for me.. I would expect to pay mid 20s for singles. How much do you/ would you pay?
Tim
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 13:24:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: RE: YTSEJAM TAB
Hey dude, Go for it!!! I'm always up for some more DT tab!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e, a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU wrote:
> Congrats to the guy who transcribed the Ytsejam Guitar Tab! > Its not a hard song to play, but it is real cool to jam along > to the band with! Hey there seems to be ONE DOMINANT scale > in there. Natural Minor Perhaps? I think so. > Also, Is there any interest in the tab for Moon Bubbles? At least > the main part..which stays the same every show he plays it....?????? > If so, I can tab it soon. > > A Fellow Axe-Slinger > Tim >
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 13:28:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
I'd love to get a copy of the tape, Peart is definetly "up there" if not the top of the drumming world, and I've never heard him solo (the only Rush that I have is Moving Pictures). Just tell me what you need to send it, and I'll go for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e, a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 11 Mar 1994, Michael Bahr wrote:
> > > > As for Ulrich... he's not even in the same league buddy... he's never had > > formal training and he can't play double bass wortha sh*t... he was > > interviewed in Drum magazine and he complained about how hard it was to > > play Dyer's Eve live because of the double bass... bleah.... > > Well, alas this is true. Lars' drum solos are an embarasment to > percussion as a whole. I thought Lars was heavy duty at one time, but now > I can name a load of better drummers... in fact now that I've heard > concert solos, I'd say Ulrich is the WORST successful drummer out there. > > And yeah, I was the one who started the Rush vs. DT thing and I > NEVER expected it to get so fiery.... I agree that they are both separate > entities... I guess it's my fault for coming to Peart's defense when > Portnoy was mentioned as "the best"... having heard Peart's solos thanks > to the magic of bootlegs since the getgo, I just couldn't believe what I > was reading. > > For anyone interested in Hearing this Peart fellow, I'd be glad > to trade you a composition tape (made from his various solos over the > years) that also includes The Pieces of Eight, a 15 minute drum solo he > did for Modern Drummer magazine in the mid eighties, and IMHO one of the > best pieces of percussion ever put to tape. > > Mike/garion@indirect.com > >
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Date: Sun, 13 Mar 1994 15:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> Subject: Re: DT outside of the US
> > Well, this question is more for out international readers... I was > just watching a video from Toronto, and James mentions something about > the Another Day video making the Power30 on MuchMusic. I also know > that on the Consciously Unreal CDs from Italy, James mentions that I&W > was votes CD of the year... The letter I got from the fan club > mentions that LaTM hit platinum in Japan. my question is this: Is DT > pretty big in your country? I mean, all of this outside of the US, > with so little coverage here... What is the attitude towards DT in > your countries... (I am not sure exacly how many international readers > there are here). I'd love to hear what you have to say... > well, here in vancouver, i don't know too many people that like DT. You hardly ever hear them on the radio (only a couple of times Another Day, and Pull Me Under were played). Whenever i meat people in bars or concerts and we start talking about music, i mention that i like DT, and almost always get "Who?". Once though, i went to a Fight concert, and i sold my extra ticket to a guy. I noticed he had the flaming heart T-shirt on. I gave him the ticket for half price :) . He said that he drove to Seattle to see DT in concert.
I thought that DT would be bigger in canada, since James is from Toronto. Which reminds me: i have an interview with James that he did for MEAT magazine (a very good Toront publication). It has some interesting info in there about james (for instance his real name is Kevin), and also it lists a few bands that james sang for, before joining DT. If anyone wants me to type the article out, i can do it. just send me mail, and i'll post it.
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